Vincente del Bosque given marching orders...

mike65

Boy that crowd on the Real board are tough! A CLsemi-final and a la Liga win and you still get the boot in favour of coaches of less than proven stature...like Man Utds assistant to Fergie whos being mentioned already.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=270374&cc=5739

http://onesport.nzoom.com/sport_detail/0,1278,200283-2-27,00.html

On the other hand....

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/football/story/0,1870,196017,00.html

Mike.

vorbis

is the world gone nuts or what? Its a pretty dodgy day in football when winning your league doesn't prevent you from the axe. I hope the team crumbles next season and wins nothing! This is honestly taking the piss.

Sposs

In his four seasons in charge he has steered the club to two European Cups, two domestic league titles, a European Super Cup, a Spanish Super Cup and a World Club Cup.
and he gets sacked???? it beggars belief

Bannor

"The decision not to renew Del Bosques contract was taken during the Board meeting yesterday after a three hour discussion - the original plan was to offer him a year's extension on the same wage as before - 2 million Euros plus bonuses.

What effectively turned the Board against Del Bosque was the fact that he had hired an ex-vice president, Juan Onieva, as his lawyer to negotiate a pay rise. Onieva was ousted by Florentino and the arrival of Figo. Onieva is one of the most hated enimies of Florentino. Del Bosque knew this and was playing with fire when he hired the lawyer.

The other reason not to continue with del Bosque mentioned in the Board meeting was that he had allowed the players too much leeway."

Quoted from another forum - the guy who posted this is genuine and has ties to Real Madrid and Barcelona.

Regarding the Hierro contract not being renewed:

"The celebration of the 29th Liga title cost Hierro his head. Instead of a big party it was a disaster. Long faces, dropped heads and insults were the norm during the after match dinner.

According to the BIL, the news of Beckham's arrival in the week that the team had to play the decisive Liga game was the last straw for some of the players, lead by Hierro. Hierro had turned Guti against the club and Beckham according to the BIL's insiders. Hierro had previously attempted a player's revolution just before the Supercup in Monaco in response to the director's treatment of Morientes. The situation between the players and the Board had also grown tense over the renewals of Guti and Solari, as well as Hierro's own renewal. Up until Sunday evening the relationship had been cold, but correct, on Sunday correctness went out of the window.

Everything started when the players refused to do a second lap of honour around the grass in the Bernabeau. The excuse given by the players was that there were too many press reporters and photographers on the pitch. But everything had been prepared beforehand. It was the players manner of protesting against the club. Valdano went down to the dressing room to see what was going on. he asked the players to go back up onto the pitch. Hierro told him in blunt terms what he could do with his celebration. The BIL had placed one of his reporters inside the dressing room with the permission of Florentino. The reporter was dressed as a waterboy/groundsman and was a first hand witness to what went on.

Valdano told Hierro to stop being an arscehole and the players then refused to go to the Cibeles fountain to do the traditional celebration and they also refused to go to the celebratory ceremonies held yesterday in the town hall and cathedral. Valdano phoned Florentino, who didn't want to answer the call, because he guessed what was happening in the dressing room. Eventually, he answered and told valdano to tell the players that they had to go to the Cibeles and the club dinner.

At the Cibeles fountain, the police refused to let the players "crown" the statue of the Godess, but it seemed as if the players had calmed down by the time they got to the restaurant.

In the Mesón Txistu, (the restaurant where they always eat after winning something), with the BIL amongst the limited number of guests, things started to go off the rails. At two in the morning the players started chanting "China, china, china" in reference to the planned pre-season tournament of China and Japan. Hierro as spokesman had voiced their refusal to start their pre-season on the Far East on various occasions.

Valdano was forced to call the club capitans, Hierro, Figo and Raul away from the tables and he told them to put their house in order. Time and time again for an hour and a half Hierro and company were told to leave their tables and speak to Valdano, much to the surprise of their wives and girlfriends.

The result of these comings and goings was that the players refused point blank to celebrate the Liga title infront of their fans the following day. The motive - the growing distance and coolness in the relations between the president and the Board of directors and the players.

Raúl told the other players and Valdano told Florentino of the players decision. Florentino was dumbstruck. It was four in the morning and he decided to take control of the situation. Standing up Florentino spoke to everyone in the restaurant:

“Good evening, ladies, gentlemen and children (referring to the players). I ask that tomorrow, although many of you don't want to do it, because of what happened in the Cibeles, we put on your best suits and we go and do our duty with the Institutions, the people and the thousands and thousands of madrileños who will be waiting for us in La Almudena, in the Town Hall and in the Community. To turn this into a scandal between grown ups in the best club of the 20th century does not make any sense. And I also want, each time we win a title, to see happy faces because this is the second title that we have celebrated with expresions and moods that do not fit in with winning the Liga. I ask that you show respect for the millions of our fans and that you act like grown ups once and for all. Finally remember this, take it as you like. In this club I'm the boss, not the players!"

At half past four Florentino, valdano and the directors left the restaurant. A little later they were followed by Ronaldo, then macmanaman with Fowler. The players had decided to go to the celebrations after an hour of debating.

Florentino had breakfast with the BIL on Monday morning at eleven thirty - he told the BIL, off the record, that "Hierro has opened his mouth for the last time..." and that "we need someone who can kick them (the players) up the arsce from time to time..."

As reported in the press the only candidate atm is the 2nd coach at Man yoo - that's one of the reasons why Figo was called into the Board meeting - Figo is pals with Quiero and the club want him to be an intermediary. Figo was also told to buck up and it was made clear that he was not untouchable."

flav0rflav

very interesting. whats the source of that? If I may ask.

manonthemoon

About time

Crap manager!

Bannor

Originally posted by flav0rflav
very interesting. whats the source of that? If I may ask.

It's a Liverpool fans forum - ynwa.co.uk

Bannor

An update ...

"According to my sources Florentino told Raul yesterday "...if you bring me half of your buy out clause, you can leave tomorrow..."

So for 90 million Euros (His clause is 180 million) Raul can leave. he has a contract until 2005.

First Hierro. Now Florentino wants rid of another of the Mutineers....

It get better and better..."

Sposs

They'd never get rid of Raul,there would be war.

Bannor

Well according to Patrick, if Raul hands over €90M to Real Madrid he'll become a free agent and can then sign for whom ever he pleases. This is how Real Madrid signed Figo from Barcelona - the president of the Real lent Figo the money to buy out his contract. If it happens and Raul joins the likes of Barcelona then he would be branded a traitor by the Real Madrid fans.

p.pete

Spanish football is a strange place, not sure I'll ever put in the effort to get my head around it.

The money they splash about and the levels of loyalty and so on are all alien to me.

I'm not amazed that they got rid of Del Bosque though. During his four years in charge he has won exactly as Sposs posted above (all them Super Cups impress me lots:D ) but in many ways I think a comparison to Roy Evans can quite easily be made.

Not in terms of sucess - Roy Evans won next to nothing.
Not in terms of team building - Roy was a bit crap at that and we'll never know about Del Bosque as buy players was never a part of his jobs.

Similarities - both played for the club,
both stayed for decades,
both had a relaxed management style (i.e. let the players away with murder).
Neither are good motivationalists - put the players that Del Bosque had together and you would expect them to win stuff. Motivating them to do it all again the following season is not as easy.
Both got chopped off at the knees within a few years having spent years of loyalty to get there.

Bannor

An update:

"When he telephoned Ferguson yesterday morning to tell the Scot that he was going to accept the Real job, Slur told him to forget it. The later had a face to face meeting and ferguson repeated his refusal. Reps from Madrid phoned Ferguson, at the same time they were also talking to Kenyon and another (yet to be named) director at OT.

Madrid offered Slur compensation and he accepted. No-one will say exactly what was offered..."

Waylander

I'd say Ronaldinho's name got mentioned a few times during the course of those negotiations.

flav0rflav

cool.

It's good to get all the real news!

Although I obviously take it with a grain of salt.

So are we running a pool on how long the new guy will last? They really don't like to keep managers for long in Spain. see barca.

Bannor

Originally posted by Waylander
I'd say Ronaldinho's name got mentioned a few times during the course of those negotiations.

Or it could be Kluivert - from the same source: Barcelona have offers from Man Utd, Arsenal, Newcastle, Inter and Roma. He's apparently in discussions with Real at the moment.

"Kluivert has offers from Manchester, Newcastle, Arsenal, Roma, Inter and he's talking to Real Madrid

it looks like Barca are not going to pay PK what they promised...the 4.6 million Euros... so his escape clause drops to 1.8 million....as of tomorrow....I'd be surprised if Barca cough up"