fg, a family at war

solice

god i hope that wasnt a publicity stunt by fg last night. it was a good show but as always it portrayed how fg always got the raw end of the stick when in power and always had to raise taxes.
no wonder fg are doing so badly.

and as a member of fg, god, john bruton what were u thinking u tool when putting a tax on clothes and shoes.

Sparks

It was rather one sided (and why is it that every CJH shot from back then shows a picture of a grown-up maniacal Damien but noone realised it at the time?), but it wasn't quite so galling as the "fighting the war" program just prior to it on BBC2.
I mean, I can feel sympathy for the crew of the Tornado that the US shot down, but it's laying it on pretty thick to let Jack Straw say that he understands the grief the families feel because he was in part responsible for their loss since he issued the order to go to the RAF.
Or does he feel grief for the 7000+ innocent Iraqi's his orders created, I wonder?

sceptre

Meant to watch this but it was opposite 24 so well, I didn't. If it was one-sided, RTE are probably regarding it as an obituary.

dod

Regardless of your polticial alignment, I think that it is crucial to the survival of meaningful politics in Ireland that FG not only pull through their current difficulties, but that they thrive as a strong influence in Irish politics.

I meant to sit down and watch last nights programme, but I missed it. Does anybody know if there are plans to repeat it? There's little enough original programming on RTE, surely they'll repeat it some weekday afternoon to shore up their schedule?

Originally posted by Sparks
and why is it that every CJH shot from back then shows a picture of a grown-up maniacal Damien but noone realised it at the time?),

Perhaps the late Jim Gibbons, who was physically beaten by CJH supporters inside Leinster House at one stage because he dared oppose Haughey, would be part of the reason for that.

It was rather one sided

Well it was a story about FG , told by those within that party and , by those associated with it.
Many of these, Austin Deasy for instance were harshly critical of the partys history and cnd of it's current course.
When the topic was a party at war, then it certainly wasn't a one sided show, in that there were those for and against that proposition within it.

I mean, I can feel sympathy for the crew of the Tornado that the US shot down, but it's laying it on pretty thick to let Jack Straw say that he understands the grief the families feel because he was in part responsible for their loss since he issued the order to go to the RAF.
Or does he feel grief for the 7000+ innocent Iraqi's his orders created, I wonder?

There are other threads for that subject, no need to bring it up everywhere;)
mm

Elmo

Yeah a good Documentary.

FG get the "raw end of the stick" because their not good a spinning a bad situation.

And their are more FF then they would like to think.

But then FF are more FG then they would like to think.

I think it's time for a new party lads.

sceptre

Originally posted by Man
Perhaps the late Jim Gibbons, who was physically beaten by CJH supporters inside Leinster House at one stage because he dared oppose Haughey, would be part of the reason for that.

That was the same night Charlie McCreevy got the crap beaten out of him by CJH heavies after being chased around the wooden thing in the Leinster House car park, wasn't it?

solice

Does anybody know if there are plans to repeat it? There's little enough original programming on RTE, surely they'll repeat it some weekday afternoon to shore up their schedule?

i dont know if they are repeating it but i heard somewhere that next week they are doing "alan dukes & michael noonan" and their years as leaders

dod

My recollection (I am subject to being corrected here) is that it is a three part series, I was just wondering if they were going to repeat part 1 before showing part 2 next sunday.

solice

solice:
i dont know if they are repeating it but i heard somewhere that next week they are doing "alan dukes & michael noonan" and their years as leaders

sorry my bad, next week its alan dukes (the greatest) and john bruton (brutal but only surpassed in crappness by michael noonan). then the week after its michael noonan (anyone else think that he looks vaguely like hanibal lector) and enda kenny

sceptre

Originally posted by solice
next week its alan dukes

Ah, the last FG leader to understand economics.

(last FF leader to do the same was Lemass)

dod

Dukes was a great intellectual, imo probably too intellectual for his party and realistically too intellectual for the electorate. He was a man of unquestionable sincerity, the Tallaght strategy being an unprecedentedly principled move at a time when such actions were unthinkable in the adversarial political environment that was Ireland at the time.

I believe that it was his cerebral brilliance and his insistence on micromanaging every department that ultimately brought about his untimely demise. I think that history will remember him very kindly.

solice

the tallaght stratgey was one of the greatest things that any govt did since the founding of the state. it saved this country.

sceptre

Originally posted by solice
the tallaght stratgey was one of the greatest things that any govt did since the founding of the state. it saved this country.

opposition rather than government (but I'll assume that's what you meant)

solice

in my own weee mind fg are always in power

solice

anyone see it last night, i missed it