Dosing for fluke and minerals on same day?

DJ98 · 13-09-2016 10:27PM #1

Is it OK to do this or should it be done on separate days?

Farrell · 13-09-2016 11:28PM

DJ98 wrote: »

Is it OK to do this or should it be done on separate days?

We give Fluke & worm drench, mineral French & copper cobalt or cobalt B12 to lambs in the 1 handling.
Refil drenchers are ideal

Username John · 14-09-2016 11:34AM

What fluke dose are people using?

I used Flukiver in the past, but the 56 day withdrawal is long...

Fasinex am not a fan of, not sure if we have resistance problems, or whether its just in my head that its no good...

Also - whilst on the subject of dosing... my lambs have done terribly the past while... will dose em the weekend.
Some are a bit dirty, but they are on very lush reseeded ground, so would say its more grass than causing that. But their thrive has been poor...

So what dose are lads giving now - was going to give em a clear dose...

(and nope, wont be doing an FEC - I know it would be best practice, but the cost of an FEC would be equal to the dose, as I dont have many)

ganmo · 14-09-2016 11:40AM

the local suppliers are doing a deal on closmectin injection so did them with that last weekend.

skoger · 14-09-2016 04:45PM

Username John wrote: »

I used Flukiver in the past, but the 56 day withdrawal is long...

It's down to 42 days now. Still long though. If I've any that might be ready before then I don't bother dosing them

https://www.agridirect.ie/product/flukiver-oral-drench

roosky · 15-09-2016 12:17AM

Username John wrote:

Also - whilst on the subject of dosing... my lambs have done terribly the past while... will dose em the weekend. Some are a bit dirty, but they are on very lush reseeded ground, so would say its more grass than causing that. But their thrive has been poor...

Im in the same boat and from talking to others lambs just dont seem to be doing the thrive this year for some reason

razor8 · 15-09-2016 10:40AM

roosky wrote: »

Im in the same boat and from talking to others lambs just dont seem to be doing the thrive this year for some reason

i'm FEC sampling lambs on a weekly basis and all clear but still thrive well back, there just eating belly fulls of water, started with barley & nuts 2 weeks ago and there flying again. grass hasnt seen enough sun and no power in it with all the rain in this end of the country IMO

fiona lovett the famous vet was at a talk a few weeks ago and she reckoned it was a lack of fibre in the diet and suggested a bit of rough hay would help them but getting them trained to eat it is a problem

cuff92 · 15-09-2016 10:59AM

Username John wrote: »

What fluke dose are people using?

I used Flukiver in the past, but the 56 day withdrawal is long...

Fasinex am not a fan of, not sure if we have resistance problems, or whether its just in my head that its no good...

Also - whilst on the subject of dosing... my lambs have done terribly the past while... will dose em the weekend.
Some are a bit dirty, but they are on very lush reseeded ground, so would say its more grass than causing that. But their thrive has been poor...

So what dose are lads giving now - was going to give em a clear dose...

(and nope, wont be doing an FEC - I know it would be best practice, but the cost of an FEC would be equal to the dose, as I dont have many)

I had the same problem I hadn't one lamb I didn't have to clip in one way or another.

I just came to the conclusion it was down to the grass in one way or another.

I dosed with levfasc diamond. It dried 90% of the lambs for 2 weeks. But there slipping back again. It's torture.

Green farmer · 16-09-2016 07:31PM

roosky wrote: »

Im in the same boat and from talking to others lambs just dont seem to be doing the thrive this year for some reason

Started mealing them here. Dont know if it will help clean them up or make them worse. You'd be half embarrassed bring them to the mart, with their dirty trail ends even though their dosed.

razor8 · 16-09-2016 08:58PM

What % of lambs have people gone out the gate at this stage of the year?

I've only 63% gone including the replacements I've picked out

orm0nd · 16-09-2016 09:43PM

razor8 wrote:

I've only 63% gone including the replacements I've picked out

razor8 wrote:

What % of lambs have people gone out the gate at this stage of the year?

All gone bar the replacements..... but we sold about 100 as stores. Late lambs always seem to lag here so last couple of years we let them go as stores.

We only keep February born for replacements and they have really moved since shearing, well on target for mating in a couple of weeks.

rangler1 · 16-09-2016 09:46PM

razor8 wrote: »

What % of lambs have people gone out the gate at this stage of the year?

I've only 63% gone including the replacements I've picked out

35% sold here and 20% picked out for replacement , but the youngest 20% are born in April out of ewe lambs.......not panIcking yet, but they're painfully slow,
I see teagasc reporting weight gains of 1kg/week, so i don't feel so bad

weatherbyfoxer · 16-09-2016 10:01PM

Glad I'm not the only one with late lambs with dirty back ends..have 100 left here. Put in the feeder on Monday morning and can see the difference already..gave them all cydectin drench and a cobalt b12 bolus this evening...

One mistake i made this year is not meal feeding till now...next year I'll be giving 3 or 400 grams per day soon as they are weaned and have them all long gone by this time...wet grass whether its reseeded,after grass or what ever just seems to scutter lambs here...one bit of advice I'd sooner not off take from teagasc

Green farmer · 16-09-2016 10:37PM

rangler1 wrote: »

35% sold here and 20% picked out for replacement , but the youngest 20% are born in April out of ewe lambs.......not panIcking yet, but they're painfully slow,
I see teagasc reporting weight gains of 1kg/week, so i don't feel so bad

I'd be in similiar territory to yourself rangler, at best. Sprinkled a bit of fertiliser in the last week or two to try and get some over the line before they stall again. Who do you give the best stuff to though ? Ewe lambs , ram lambs or ewes. cannt get all 3 over the line.

rangler1 · 16-09-2016 10:41PM

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

Glad I'm not the only one with late lambs with dirty back ends..have 100 left here. Put in the feeder on Monday morning and can see the difference already..gave them all cydectin drench and a cobalt b12 bolus this evening...

One mistake i made this year is not meal feeding till now...next year I'll be giving 3 or 400 grams per day soon as they are weaned and have them all long gone by this time...wet grass whether its reseeded,after grass or what ever just seems to scutter lambs here...one bit of advice I'd sooner not off take from teagasc

Too many lambs here to trough feed which is the only way to restrict them to eating 400 grams/day, Easier to let them grow on and then finish on ad lib meal if needed,

weatherbyfoxer · 16-09-2016 10:53PM

Too many lambs here to trough feed which is the only way to restrict them to eating 400 grams/day, Easier to let them grow on and then finish on ad lib meal if needed,

True when you talking big numbers...but im wondering how would adlib feeding once weaned go?..if the sub 35kg lambs were pulled away?..maybe it would be madness!?

rangler1 · 16-09-2016 11:30PM

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

Too many lambs here to trough feed which is the only way to restrict them to eating 400 grams/day, Easier to let them grow on and then finish on ad lib meal if needed,

True when you talking big numbers...but im wondering how would adlib feeding once weaned go?..if the sub 35kg lambs were pulled away?..maybe it would be madness!?

Ad lib feeding lambs eat very little grass, lie around the feeder all the time and we need them to graze the grass,
Giving them 400g/day will get rid quicker but i'd imagine the grass would be giving them a better weight gain as[well as the meal would be slowing it up going through their system.
You can get creep feeders now that will retrict the feed to the lambs but they are very expensive
http://www.3in1feeders.co.uk/

Ford4000 · 09-10-2016 10:12PM

Had plenty bother with dirty arses, lambs were on good grass and getting intensive pellets, I lowered the protein a bit by mixing flaked maize with the pellets and dosed with clear cydectin, great results and thrive since !

Ford4000 · 09-10-2016 10:14PM

By the way you certainly can't give cobalt b12 and flukiver the same day, they don't mix well, put a bit of both in a bottle and see what happens !

ganmo · 10-10-2016 09:38AM

Ford4000 wrote: »

By the way you certainly can't give cobalt b12 and flukiver the same day, they don't mix well, put a bit of both in a bottle and see what happens !

the joys of having 2 guns

MayoAreMagic · 10-10-2016 08:48PM

ganmo wrote: »

the joys of having 2 guns

Pretty sure they all end up in the same stomach though

To be honest, We have always given cobalt and a fluke dose in the same gun. Never had an issue. Flukiver curdles if you leave it out, regardless of whether there is b12 mixed in or not. It is still effective. Chances are it curdles in their stomach anyway...

Farrell · 24-12-2016 01:04AM

Going to give ewes Hept P & a shot for scab, would it be alright to give a fluke dose too.
1 due mid Jan, rest end Jan/Feb

razor8 · 24-12-2016 10:42AM

Farrell wrote: »

Going to give ewes Hept P & a shot for scab, would it be alright to give a fluke dose too.
1 due mid Jan, rest end Jan/Feb

Definitely not

I did this a few years ago. Did a pen of ewe lambs scanned with twins with trodax, bimectin and hept P and half of them aborted within 48 hrs

Farrell · 24-12-2016 02:51PM

razor8 wrote: »

Definitely not

I did this a few years ago. Did a pen of ewe lambs scanned with twins with trodax, bimectin and hept P and half of them aborted within 48 hrs

Thanks
I'll Hept P, scab & maybe bit drench & fluke drench after lambing so

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