AECM Environmental Scheme

Tomjim

Is there a detailed list available of the measures under the new Scheme.

I have seen the 3 different categories, but I am looking for detailed information regarding feed for birds, margins in fields, payments rates etc

blue5000

I think it will be September before us mere mortals know, launch is around then. Try talking to a planner/teagasc advisor AFAIK they have had a few information days on it already. Let us know if you find out anything.

herdquitter

The cooperative stream is a pig in a poke scheme. Off to the information/training/whatever day next week. I don't expect to learn much at it. A multi page survey has to be filled in and brought along. A lot of emphasis was put on how adamant the dept are that it's completed. Makes me suspect the scheme is in a hames already.

Danzy

Do you have to go to the training day?

herdquitter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119222616#Comment_119222616

Apparently I'm not, adviser tested positive this morning. Meeting cancelled and no more to be ran. No €1k fodder aid, no €156 day training, be out on the street soon at this rate 😂

minerleague

Texted Dept of ag on phone no. in journal and I'm in area for the co-operation stream ( higher payments but probably more to do? ) Will wait to see detail but good to have both options open

herdquitter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119265950#Comment_119265950

AFAIK if you refuse the cooperative you don't get to apply for general. That may have changed since last I heard as these things sometimes do.

minerleague

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119266016#Comment_119266016

Does that mean if you are in area for cooperative stream you have to go for it?

wrangler

Just after hearing about land being set near at over 300/acre but the owner is demanding 100% of the BPS and a percentage of the ACRES, even though the tenant isn't going into the ACRES. don't know if that's true or not but I know his previous tenant very well and he found the landlord very greedy

tellmeabit

What's the number pls

GNWoodd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119266016#Comment_119266016

I thought that the areas qualifying for the cooperative stream have already been defined . If you have land within these areas you get to apply for this stream . If you are outside the mapped areas you apply for the general scheme .

tellmeabit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119266451#Comment_119266451

Found it. 50124

minerleague

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119266761#Comment_119266761

Text "DAFM ACRES herd no".

herdquitter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119266193#Comment_119266193

Check with your advisor, but afaik that's the case, you pick cooperative OR don't enter the scheme at all.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119266515#Comment_119266515

Yes, afaik. If you're in the cooperative area you don't get the option to pick the general scheme, but do check as it may have changed.

ruwithme

Christ, could they not let you stay in glas if that's what suited.few more bird & bat boxs, more sand for the bee's, hay meadows, another grove of trees e.t.c. they can leave nothing alone when they have it right.

blue5000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119274109#Comment_119274109

This doesn't answer the question, but I hope it helps you understand the type of people in the dept of aggravation who make these decisions.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-ecbGNxEHM

herdquitter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119274109#Comment_119274109

What's happened is the Dept have given, not that they're happy about it, some influence to the squeaky wheel env lobby. There's been a lot of toing and froing regarding Brussels. Look how REPS etc achieved nothing but look at Burren life. So now here we are with results based schemes and pigs in pokes.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119274875#Comment_119274875

I take it from the pigs in pokes statement its not clear what you will have to do or how much it will end up costing?

thus meaning the scheme may not be all that beneficial to be in?

herdquitter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119275297#Comment_119275297

My information day was cancelled so info might be out of date. But, take reps, aeos, glas, you could sit down with your planner and work out what you'd do and how much you'd get.

I can't see the latter part being as predictable because some of the payment will be based on the results you do, or don't achieve.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119275417#Comment_119275417

Ah...and its hard to measure or be sure of what the results will be........I must see if I can get some detail, I hate the idea of signing up to anything with a lack of detail

Goes against the grain, I like to read the small print.

Tomjim

any word yet on the specific measures, bought the journal today and last week but no detail in it

Birdnuts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119275417#Comment_119275417

I guess it comes down to the fact that all those schemes you mentioned were found by EU auditors to be a colossal waste of money that achieved little. Alot of blame to go around on that but primarily it lies with DAFM.

herdquitter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119280875#Comment_119280875

That's great but it's rather meaningless for farmers who have been accustomed to that part of their income, I hear many (including myself) say they're considering not signing up. The difference being you knew when you signed up to measures based schemes where you stood and could plan accordingly.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278410#Comment_119278410

Yeah, that's their MO.....I've lost count of the number if times I've fallen far the flashy headline claiming to give info on X or Y only for it to be a straightforward run down of generalities with none of the more specific details I'd be looking for

Fool me twice (and many more times in fairness 😅 shame on me I suppose.....

Tomjim

anyone hear anything since about the individual measures

ruwithme

Attended the so called " training day" for this today.specific details on payments for different measures are not yet available & many other details not yet either, probably in my opinion a bit soon these training days happened without knowing the above in print.

Will be middle of August when the planners get the fine details & applications supposed to open from October through to November so a short window maybe for consideration & then for planners putting a plan together.

Being in all past schemes here for over twenty years now, what little i did hear on it today, didn't appetise me much yet. Average payment looks like it will be 5k, max of 7300, co op scheme is 10k seemingly, but not applicable inland was told??

Payment rates not keeping up with inflation in any event.

endainoz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375115#Comment_119375115

Easy to look up if your eligible for the co op scheme in ag food. This scheme will basically be the REAP scheme rolled out on a national scale. Grading fields will be the way forward

minerleague

Am in co-op catchment area, from what I read 34000 farms in these areas but 20000 places available. Most of these areas I assume are poorer land ( no offence to anyone 😀 ) and will have a high application rate to the scheme meaning good number wont get in on first go. This will push people towards maybe doing more to get in????

SuperTortoise

I talked to a few lads over the past week, none of them sounded like they were interested in signing up for it, must admit, i'm undecided myself.

endainoz

Once the measures get released, we'll have a better idea. I think it will have a large take-up anyway. Anyone that was in GLAS will surely go for it. It's a lot of money to leave behind it you're used to getting it in fairness.

Hard Knocks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396378#Comment_119396378

Any idea when we’ll know the measures or when it’s to open