Women stabbed near IFSC has died

Fred Cryton

The woman stabbed two weeks ago near IFSC has died.



When was the last time we talked about building a new prison in Ireland? Back in Bertie Aherns day? The left has taken such control of the media narrative that locking these people up where they can't harm the rest of society has almost become a taboo subject. It's ridiculous. Are we supposed to just let these people continue to run riot, do what they want, stab and kill when they want and then accept a hefty suspended sentence?


No point saying we need to keep them out of jail because it somehow hardens them....what nonsense. They're clearly still committing the crimes again and again while not going near a jail!

Amirani

The person who has been charged is a 15 year old boy. Your new prison wouldn't have done much to prevent this.

kildare lad

Rip to that poor woman , unfortunately going by the justice system in Ireland , he'll be out before he's 21, to continue his life of being a little scumbag.

Mimon

Fred Cryton wrote: »

The woman stabbed two weeks ago near IFSC has died.



When was the last time we talked about building a new prison in Ireland? Back in Bertie Aherns day? The left has taken such control of the media narrative that locking these people up where they can't harm the rest of society has almost become a taboo subject. It's ridiculous. Are we supposed to just let these people continue to run riot, do what they want, stab and kill when they want and then accept a hefty suspended sentence?


No point saying we need to keep them out of jail because it somehow hardens them....what nonsense. They're clearly still committing the crimes again and again while not going near a jail!

Non violent crimes people should be given chances but something like this he needs to spend the rest of his life in a high security unit, no perks like tv etc and 23 hours on his own in a cell.

The act of pulling a knife on someone should be 20 years minimum.

Mimon

Amirani wrote: »

The person who has been charged is a 15 year old boy. Your new prison wouldn't have done much to prevent this.

Change the law so that children convicted of extreme violence are treated the same way as adults. 15 is plenty old enough to know the consequences of his actions.

Fred Cryton

Amirani wrote: »

The person who has been charged is a 15 year old boy. Your new prison wouldn't have done much to prevent this.

Bolt on a juvenile detention centre while building the new prison then. Job done.

Amirani

Mimon wrote: »

Change the law so that children convicted of extreme violence are treated the same way as adults. 15 is plenty old enough to know the consequences of his actions.

Agreed, he should be subject to the same prison sentence as an adult.

Just pointing out in response to the OP that there's no indication he'd committed extreme violence previously, so a new super prison would have done feck all for this case.

Chris_Heilong

I dont think we need to fall into the crap left/right arguments that they do in the US as that just makes people side with what ever group they identify with and nothing gets done, In saying that I think a really harsh punishment for Murder should be introduced into Ireland and yes more prisons would work too, Real murder is the worst crime imaginable and just putting someone away and feeding them like they are a pet of the state is not the answer. I dont really give a crap if the killer was under 18, If he has the ability to kill an adult he should be treated as an adult.
The poor woman's family must be devastated.

kildare lad

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

I dont think we need to fall into the crap left/right arguments that they do in the US as that just makes people side with what ever group they identify with and nothing gets done, In saying that I think a really harsh punishment for Murder should be introduced into Ireland and yes more prisons would work too, Real murder is the worst crime imaginable and just putting someone away and feeding them like they are a pet of the state is not the answer.

The poor woman's family must be devastated.

Just out of curiosity , if locking them up and feeding them is not the answer . What do you propose. I've no problem with the death penalty in some cases .

walshb

Pure act of evil.

Despicable!

Poor woman.

mick087

Very sad that poor woman's family.
These stories are very sad.

BronsonTB

RIP....very very sad to hear....

Why is there so much tolerance for knife crime???
This KID carried a knife & used it to murder someone....
Not the first & won't be the last....

(Extremely angry at the judicial system, people like this should be behind bars no matter what age they are - zero tolerance)

RIP to the deceased lady.

It's beyond ridiculous now. Multiple stabbings in the past few weeks in an absolutely tiny geographical area. Authorities need to get a grip on this. Only a matter of time until the next one.
I'd nearly call for army checkpoints on the streets of the North Inner City at this stage until things cool down.

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HildaOgdenx

Poor woman, that is shocking news.

Galwayguy35

RIP to this poor woman.

Just walking home after finishing her work and this happened to her.

Few years is all the little c**t will get and then he will be given a new identity and leech off the state for the rest of his miserable life.

Rest in peace, dear lady sincere condolences to her family.

I hope the charge is now changed to murder. This woman and her family deserve proper justice.

RugbyLad11

I can't believe she died. She was able to call her husband for help, I didn't realize she was in such a serious condition.

punisher5112

That's absolutely shocking.

The woman was going home from work, attempted robbery and the evil bastard stabs her...

Wtf seriously where are the parents and why was he out anyway. So sad and scary to think this could happen to anyone.

R.I.P. and condolences to her family and friends.

walshb

When murderers can realistically apply for parole after 7 years, you know your country is fooked....it all trickles down....

KevRossi

Most judges and legal eagles are definitely right wing, you need to ask them why they constantly let off people who have multiple previous convictions. Answer is that it feeds the circular legal system gravy train of free legal aid.

The 'left' have had bugger all to do with the legal system here the past 50 years.

titan18

Amirani wrote: »

The person who has been charged is a 15 year old boy. Your new prison wouldn't have done much to prevent this.

The presence of a deterrent might have changed it. Atm, people who commit a crime like this know there's a good chance they'll get it off with a slap on the wrist. This obviously ended up as a murder, but good chance even if this was an adult who done it, he'd end up getting charged with armed robbery and possibly manslaughter and end up with a few years in jail at most.

Punishment is way too lax in this country no matter the crime imo.

knucklehead6

There are open cases and people arrested after both these crimes. We really shouldn’t be discussing them here

walshb

titan18 wrote: »

The presence of a deterrent might have changed it. Atm, people who commit a crime like this know there's a good chance they'll get it off with a slap on the wrist. This obviously ended up as a murder, but good chance even if this was an adult who done it, he'd end up getting charged with armed robbery and possibly manslaughter and end up with a few years in jail at most.

Punishment is way too lax in this country no matter the crime imo.

Spot on

Been saying it years....there is next to no real deterrent for any type crimes here

If there were severe punishments for severe crimes, you can bet people would at least stop and think....

Simple: If convicted of being a gang member of a crime gang, then it an automatic 50 years sentence on conviction....

There is one that would absolutely make people think....

That is juts one scenario....there could be loads...

But that one is a very serious one, as it is a person who is actively involved in a crime gang.....it all trickles down from here...

average_runner

Amirani wrote: »

The person who has been charged is a 15 year old boy. Your new prison wouldn't have done much to prevent this.

It might of sent a message before this person could commit such a crime.
Wonder what the family history is?

Daisy78

RIP. Poor woman, shocking to think that a 15 year old is responsible for taking this woman’s life. One thing that really frustrates me with stories such as this one is the fact that the “alleged” perpetrator won’t ever be named, even if found guilty. You should lose your right to privacy the day you decide to take the life of another person, regardless of your age.

TomTomTim

KevRossi wrote: »

Most judges and legal eagles are definitely right wing, you need to ask them why they constantly let off people who have multiple previous convictions. Answer is that it feeds the circular legal system gravy train of free legal aid.

The 'left' have had bugger all to do with the legal system here the past 50 years.

I'm sure you'll be able to back up this big claim. I certainly didn't meet many right wing people when studying law.

padraig737

kildare lad wrote: »

Just out of curiosity , if locking them up and feeding them is not the answer . What do you propose. I've no problem with the death penalty in some cases .

A gladiator arena used for murderers, rapists and paedos. Let them fight for the right to live another few months.

MrMusician18

walshb wrote: »

Spot on

Been saying it years....there is next to no real deterrent for any type crimes here

If there were severe punishments for severe crimes, you can bet people would at least stop and think....

Simple: If convicted of being a gang member of a crime gang, then it an automatic 50 years sentence on conviction....

There is one that would absolutely make people think....

That is juts one scenario....there could be loads...

But that one is a very serious one, as it is a person who is actively involved in a crime gang.....it all trickles down from here...

If we look at societies that punish crime severely, like the USA, crime is still an issue. Equally we can look at places like Singapore, where crime is also severely punished and crime is quite low.
The issue is likely to be cultural, rather than related to the punishment.

The inner city won't be fixed until the areas are cleared and the population that resides is dispersed as the problem is cultural in those communities

bocaman

RIP that poor woman. So the charge will be upgraded to murder but the guy will be out after seven years.

Turquoise Hexagon Sun

There is a GoFundMe for her family.

So sad. This really angers me. There seems to be loads of youngfellas just freely roaming the city centre stealing bikes, mugging people and mugging Deliveroo drivers.

I certainly think some mandatory harsh sentencing for violent crimes and thefts should be brought in. Dublin is relatively safe but there seems to be so much violence again, especially to non-national, possibly as they're seen as a soft target.

So, I hope they make an example of this guy. We're on the precipice of a huge social change. There seems to be a lot of new knife crime. Nip this in the bud now!!! Before it's completely irreversible. Zero tolerance to violent robberies and crimes.

I also realise harsh sentencing is a quick fix. It doesn't get to the root. But we need to act quick. Hopefully, a few examples made and some of these guys thinking of carrying knives will think twice.

Fred Cryton

KevRossi wrote: »

Most judges and legal eagles are definitely right wing, you need to ask them why they constantly let off people who have multiple previous convictions. Answer is that it feeds the circular legal system gravy train of free legal aid.

The 'left' have had bugger all to do with the legal system here the past 50 years.

The left dominate the media narrative, which influences whether to build a prison or propose/pass new tougher laws. The judges can only then operate within what laws have been passed by politicians and whatever prison space there is.

Top of the six one news we hear the voices of SF, PBP, Greens, Soc Dems , Labour...every day we get about 5 or 6 left leaning voices on justice dominating and telling us some sob story about how the locals are victims. No wonder the country is such a mess.

walshb

MrMusician18 wrote: »

If we look at societies that punish crime severely, like the USA, crime is still an issue. Equally we can look at places like Singapore, where crime is also severely punished and crime is quite low.
The issue is likely to be cultural, rather than related to the punishment.

The inner city won't be fixed until the areas are cleared and the population that resides is dispersed as the problem is cultural in those communities

I know we can't fix everywhere and everything

But it is the message we as a civilized society should be sending to our people

That we will come down like a ton of bricks on scum behavior

It is that simple: And right now, that is so far from the case...

This is the issue..

There are scum out there who are career scum, and they are in and out of prison, and are creating havoc for decent people....it's an absolute disgrace

People do not feel safe in their own country, because our justice system does not properly deal with scum who are hurting people.

punisher5112

knucklehead6 wrote: »

There are open cases and people arrested after both these crimes. We really shouldn’t be discussing them here

I see no reason why one can't express there concern, anger and condolences.

walshb

punisher5112 wrote: »

I see no reason why one can't express there concern, anger and condolences.

Exactly....

walshb

wes wrote: »

This is awful. The person who did this should imo spend the rest of there days behind bars. I know the accused is 15, but ffs at that age I knew well enough to not stab someone.

10 years manslaughter and out in 5-6...

That is the reality...

6o9fv7jpreb180

No doubt this child comes from a tough upbringing.

But the reality is, a child in terrible home situation is in a worse predicament than a dog. At least the dog warden might have some chance of rescuing the dog. No way the state would/can rescue some of these children - and anyone who works in education or with children in general knows there are thousands of children who need rescuing in this country. Being brought by horrible, useless and just not bothered parents.

On the other side of the coin, the punishment for dogs is far more severe. Every dog chipped and registered. Fines for ****ting or walking without lead, put down if they attack a person or other animal. Children (anyone under 18), stab someone in the neck and kill them, probably a couple of years in a juvenile detention centre playing playstation. Generally no repercussions for scummy behaviour.

How can we fix the problem? Probably cant be fixed. But if we set the same standards and expectations for humans as we do for dogs, wouldn't the world be better place.

(Yes, I love dogs)

biko

The source
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/uknews/office-cleaner-stabbed-on-way-home-from-work-near-ifsc-in-dublin-sadly-dies/ar-BB1dlNGI


RIP poor woman, such an unnecessary death.
Hope they throw the little **** that murdered her into a volcano.

rolling boh

R I P that poor woman unfortunately we will never have the prison places and resources to lock up anyone who commits any sort of crime for lenghty spells that might in time act as some kind of deterrent. I am raging when guys with dozens of prior convictions get out on bail and of course repeat their crime spree .

walshb

Laney Broad Swinger wrote: »

No doubt this child comes from a tough upbringing.

But the reality is, a child in terrible home situation is in a worse predicament than a dog. At least the dog warden might have some chance of rescuing the dog. No way the state would/can rescue some of these children - and anyone who works in education or with children in general knows there are thousands of children who need rescuing in this country. Being brought by horrible, useless and just not bothered parents.

On the other side of the coin, the punishment for dogs is far more severe. Every dog chipped and registered. Fines for ****ting or walking without lead, put down if they attack a person or other animal. Children (anyone under 18), stab someone in the neck and kill them, probably a couple of years in a juvenile detention centre playing playstation. Generally no repercussions for scummy behaviour.

How can we fix the problem? Probably cant be fixed. But if we set the same standards and expectations for humans as we do for dogs, wouldn't the world be better place.

(Yes, I love dogs)

I couldn't give a fook what home the killer is or is not from

My sympathies lie purely with the poor woman and her family

Evil visited her and took her life...

What is the charge and possible sentence if someone is found carrying a knife?

knucklehead6

you've both been here long enough to know that expressing anger and condolences etc is a short step away from people acting 'in the know' and saying something potentially prejudicial to the cases.

Anyway, i'm not gonna comment anymore incase i get carded for back seat modding

6o9fv7jpreb180

walshb wrote: »

I couldn't give a fook what home the killer is or is not from

My sympathies lie purely with the poor woman and her family

Evil visited her and took her life...

I agree 100%. My point is that these kids need to be supported from a young age..

But once that line is crossed like in this case, severe punishments need to be implemented.

Witcher

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

What is the charge and possible sentence if someone is found carrying a knife?

https://revisedacts.lawreform.ie/eli/1990/act/12/revised/en/html#SEC9

neris

Laney Broad Swinger wrote: »

No doubt this child comes from a tough upbringing.

But the reality is, a child in terrible home situation is in a worse predicament than a dog.

Absolute bull crap. This tough up bringing excuse is used far too often for scum vermin like this. They know right from wrong, they havent just landed here from outer space without knowing how society works.

walshb

walshb wrote: »

I couldn't give a fook what home the killer is or is not from

My sympathies lie purely with the poor woman and her family

Evil visited her and took her life...

I get what Connachtman is saying. The easy solution would be to throw more guards at it and have them batter 7 shades of ****e out of all these scrotes going around doing what they like. **** me I'd love to see it.

But to solve it properly, there needs to be a systemic approach. There is more than one root cause to the issues we see today.

MrMusician18

walshb wrote: »

I know we can't fix everywhere and everything

But it is the message we as a civilized society should be sending to our people

That we will come down like a ton of bricks on scum behavior

It is that simple: And right now, that is so far from the case...

This is the issue..

There are scum out there who are career scum, and they are in and out of prison, and are creating havoc for decent people....it's an absolute disgrace

People do not feel safe in their own country, because our justice system does not properly deal with scum who are hurting people.

Extremely harsh sentences would be a form of societal retribution but it wouldn't solve this issue. The only way it can be stopped is if crime isn't tolerated in the community.

In a typical mugging, they are not investigated fully simply because the resources aren't there, and it's not realistic to expect the resources to ever be there. The only way that kind of behaviour can be policed is within the families, peer groups and community itself, by it being unacceptable behaviour

If it was all about deterrent or the lack thereof, you'd see these issues in wealthier communities too.

Witcher

Witcher wrote: »

https://revisedacts.lawreform.ie/eli/1990/act/12/revised/en/html#SEC9

Thanks Witcher but what is the actual offence? Law speak goes right over my head.

“ 9.— (1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), where a person has with him in any public place any knife or any other article which has a blade or which is sharply pointed, he shall be guilty of an offence.”

walshb

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Extremely harsh sentences would be a form of societal retribution but it wouldn't solve this issue. The only way it can be stopped is if crime isn't tolerated in the community.

In a typical mugging, they are not investigated fully simply because the resources aren't there, and it's not realistic to expect the resources to ever be there. The only way that kind of behaviour can be policed is within the families, peer groups and community itself, by it being unacceptable behaviour

If it was all about deterrent or the lack thereof, you'd see these issues in wealthier communities too.

Tough sentencing is part of the overall tackling.

It needs to be..

Clearly dangerous recidivist scum need removal permanently from society,,.....end of

So, you commit one serious crime that hurts PEOPLE, you are set away for a long time.....

If released and commit another serious crime.......LIFE!

And murder should be 100 percent life...no chance of release....

ElektroToad

Sickened.

For a cold, callous and senseless violent crime like this against an honest member of society minding their own business?

A case for the return of the death penalty has valid merits, I reckon.

I think a proper conversation needs to be had about these kind of crimes. You are either a person who contributes to our society, or a parasite to be removed.

kildare lad

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

What is the charge and possible sentence if someone is found carrying a knife?

Fxck all, sure a bloke last week got sentenced for knifing a guy 5 times . He'd 45 previous convictions and the judge decided to throw the book at him by giving him a whopping 3 year sentence . Theres no deterrent in this country for violent criminals. I know a few lads that got locked up and all they did was get stoned and play xbox all day . Does that sound like punishment ???

https://www.thesun.ie/news/6465841/mark-pigeon-debt-stabbing-enforcer-brian-rattigan/

betarayjay

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Thanks Witcher but what is the actual offence? Law speak goes right over my head.

“ 9.— (1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), where a person has with him in any public place any knife or any other article which has a blade or which is sharply pointed, he shall be guilty of an offence.”

obv it depends on the article extensions but in layman's terms if u have a knife with you in public and cant explain why well your guilty of an offence (say a chef working between restaurants and in his bag are his knifes that's an acceptable excuse while if your out shopping and you got a flick knife ... not so much)