President higgins wants gambling advertising banned from sport

jimmynokia

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/president-michael-d-higgins-wants-gambling-advertising-removed-from-sport-37165065.html

Odelay

He gets my vote! Far too much gambling related advertising. It's going to be the next social epidemic.
Sport lasted long enough without constant interruptions from gambling adverts.

bodice ripper

The bookies is a trap house.

enricoh

The gaa banned sponsorship last year iirc. Fair play n I believe pressure should be exerted on other sports to follow suit.
It's causing a lot of hidden pressure on young lads and I heard was a major reason in a local suicide here.

Tom Mann Centuria

I agree with the OP.

judeboy101

I'd rather he start with drink.

Atoms for Peace

I miss the fag advertising from motorsport.

Larbre34

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

I miss the fag advertising from motorsport.

Id say the teams miss it too

verycool

Maybe he's recovering, counting all the pennies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udIGH58fmiU

enricoh

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

I miss the fag advertising from motorsport.

I'd say rothmans certainly miss it - I don't know anyone who smokes them!

Happy4all

Agree entirely, but coming out with this statement now smacks of electioneering

paw patrol

he was well able to play the "i'm down with the rabble" when he was seeking election but was famously silent when the country needed a presidential opinion or guidance , like the time Enda Kenny lumped the tax payer with bank debt...and some other times too.

He was too busy living it up kissing the queens hole and at banquets all over the world. No expense spared while the country was in the mire.

I know he was hosting all the irish ex pats in Jo'burg in the embassy when things were fairly crappy over here - champers and canapes all over...not to mention the ferrero rochers…. (as one example cos my mate was invited and attended)


He had 7 years to pipe up on this and other matters and we got fcuk all bar some ****e poetry...

surprise !!surprise!! he finds a conscience, an opinion and a populist cause in the run up to an election in an attempt to continue his recently found largesse on our tax cash.

Fcuk him - I'd rather vote for John Gilligan

lawred2

Hard to have any argument with banning gambling advertising from sport

AfterLife

He's dead right.

Muahahaha

If it puts an end to Paddy Power bantz then Im all for it

Niles Crane

Sport should be allowed to get whatever advertising revenue it wants.If people are stupid enough to gamble excessively because of advertising that is 100% their own fault.I am sick and tired of this nanny state bull**** that is afflicted upon people because others can't control themselves, the only person gambling causing any harm to is the gamblers themselves.


It's just pathetic pandering to idiots once again from our politicians who really should be dealing with the serious issues affecting irish life and not nonsense like this.

Dravokivich

Why don't we just shut their doors? If we want to support preventing an industry from advertising, we should just go all out and ban it already.

Wanderer78

Niles Crane wrote: »

Sport should be allowed to get whatever advertising revenue it wants.If people are stupid enough to gamble excessively because of advertising that is 100% their own fault.I am sick and tired of this nanny state bull**** that is afflicted upon people because others can't control themselves, the only person gambling causing any harm to is the gamblers themselves.


It's just pathetic pandering to idiots once again from our politicians who really should be dealing with the serious issues affecting irish life and not nonsense like this.

have you ever seen gamblers at work, its a bloody scary addiction?

Niles Crane

Wanderer78 wrote: »

have you ever seen gamblers at work, its a bloody scary addiction?

Thats their own fault.

It's not as if they wont know gambling establishments exist if they get rid of advertising gambling in sport.

Pretty much everything in the world can be dangerous if you don't moderate yourself.

People get into debt due to buying stuff should we just ban advertising of all products you can purchase in order to stop people getting into debt.

Niles Crane

Dravokivich wrote: »

Why don't we just shut their doors? If we want to support preventing an industry from advertising, we should just go all out and ban it already.

He's just picked up on a trendy cause and decided to pander to people he doesn't actually give a **** about it banning the industry is obviously daft so he knows if you go for the banning advertising it sounds sensible enough to appeal to more moderate types.

Poor_old_gill

The ultimate populist

JohnnyFlash

paw patrol wrote: »

he was well able to play the "i'm down with the rabble" when he was seeking election but was famously silent when the country needed a presidential opinion or guidance , like the time Enda Kenny lumped the tax payer with bank debt...and some other times too.

He was too busy living it up kissing the queens hole and at banquet all over the world. No expense spared while the country was in the mire.

I know he was hosting all the irish ex pats in Jo'burg in the embassy when things were fairly crappy over here - champers and canapes all over...not to mention the ferrero rochers…. (as one example cos my mate was invited and attended)


He had 7 years to pipe up on this and other matters and we got fcuk all bar some ****e poetry...

surprise !!surprise!! he finds a conscience, an opinion and a populist cause in the run up to an election in an attempt to continue his recently found largesse on our tax cash.

Fcuk him - I'd rather vote for John Gilligan

A very wide-ranging and slightly bizarre rant. Also, you don’t appear to understand the role of president very well.

NinetyTwoTeam

Niles Crane wrote: »

Sport should be allowed to get whatever advertising revenue it wants.If people are stupid enough to gamble excessively because of advertising that is 100% their own fault.I am sick and tired of this nanny state bull**** that is afflicted upon people because others can't control themselves, the only person gambling causing any harm to is the gamblers themselves.


It's just pathetic pandering to idiots once again from our politicians who really should be dealing with the serious issues affecting irish life and not nonsense like this.

you're clearly very ignorant about this issue.

serious issues affecting Ireland? Look no further than gambling my friend. Online gambling is the fastest growing business (and addiction) in Europe.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/online-gambling-among-fastest-growing-businesses-in-eu-275453.html

Ireland loses the 3rd most money per capita to gambling in the entire world.
http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-gambling-3233357-Feb2017/

Out of all addictions, gamblers have the highest suicide rate. Las Vegas has the highest suicide rate of any US city virtually every year (google those facts if you like.)

I gamble myself, but I've been doing it long enough that I know how to avoid getting into trouble. When I was younger however, I learned some very expensive lessons. And that's why I would love to see the advertising be banned. I see young fellas getting started on gambling and I hate it - I know they're going to be fleeced for loads of money because they are too young to know better and could end up in the throes of addiction if they are inclined that way. It's growing very fast among young men (and women) due to these ads.
http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-gambling-3233357-Feb2017/
https://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/online-gambling-addiction-hitting-irish-women-26475243.html

Having the ads banned isn't nanny state stuff. I don't think gambling should be banned as it only leads to it being done illegally through organized crime. But kids watching sport should not bombarded with these ads, they are non stop on the weekend when racing and football are on, and by the time a boy turns 18 he thinks it's normal and starts down this path.

If you think people who get addicted to it are just stupid, it's actually you who need to get a clue. Addiction is hereditary and very real, and while betting being legal is fine - it provides jobs, tax revenue, and it avoids it being done through shady characters on credit, we should NOT be enticing young people to gamble every time they watch a sporting event.

Woke Hogan

Gambling is a habit for degenerates. I'd urge my son to start smoking before he would ever gamble.

Niles Crane

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

you're clearly very ignorant about this issue.

serious issues affecting Ireland? Look no further than gambling my friend. Online gambling is the fastest growing business (and addiction) in Europe.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/online-gambling-among-fastest-growing-businesses-in-eu-275453.html

Ireland loses the 3rd most money per capita to gambling in the entire world.
http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-gambling-3233357-Feb2017/

Out of all addictions, gamblers have the highest suicide rate. Las Vegas has the highest suicide rate of any US city virtually every year (google those facts if you like.)

I gamble myself, but I've been doing it long enough that I know how to avoid getting into trouble. When I was younger however, I learned some very expensive lessons. And that's why I would love to see the advertising be banned. I see young fellas getting started on gambling and I hate it - I know they're going to be fleeced for loads of money because they are too young to know better and could end up in the throes of addiction if they are inclined that way. It's growing very fast among young men (and women) due to these ads.
http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-gambling-3233357-Feb2017/
https://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/online-gambling-addiction-hitting-irish-women-26475243.html

Having the ads banned isn't nanny state stuff. I don't think gambling should be banned as it only leads to it being done illegally through organized crime. But kids watching sport should not bombarded with these ads, they are non stop on the weekend when racing and football are on, and by the time a boy turns 18 he thinks it's normal and starts down this path.

If you think people who get addicted to it are just stupid, it's actually you who need to get a clue. Addiction is hereditary and very real, and while betting being legal is fine - it provides jobs, tax revenue, and it avoids it being done through shady characters on credit, we should NOT be enticing young people to gamble every time they watch a sporting event.

Every bit of this is 100% the person who gambles fault.

I watch sport constantly and I can control myself so it isn't that difficult to not gamble.

Why don't we ban providing credit in order to stop people getting into debt and the negative affect that has on society.

super_furry

Any kid who watched football is bombarded with adverts for gambling non-stop. It normalises it for them before they even leave primary school.

4068ac1elhodqr

Discussed here recently also:
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057888813&page=5

But in the same article he admits he's 'utterly powerless' to do anything about it.
Hold on aren't you the Pres, the PM, the big chief, and all that?
What's the point in titles without power?

Earlier in the year he very rightly warned of the coming 'gig economy',
but again will he stamp out the new zero-hours gigs appearing everywhere? Nope.

Water John

Any medium sized town has approx 3 bookies. I can't remember to turnover each branch needs to be viable but was big. Not to mind the online stuff.
A gambler doesn't just damage himself, there's a whole wide circle of family and friends.
Was given an opportunity to invest in the area recently, wouldn't do it.

freshpopcorn

You can agree with this or disagree with this.
Basically in the future sport may only be sponsored by heath food.
However this man said he was only going to run for one term and he has shown he can't be trusted.

angel eyes 2012

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

you're clearly very ignorant about this issue.

serious issues affecting Ireland? Look no further than gambling my friend. Online gambling is the fastest growing business (and addiction) in Europe.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/online-gambling-among-fastest-growing-businesses-in-eu-275453.html

Ireland loses the 3rd most money per capita to gambling in the entire world.
http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-gambling-3233357-Feb2017/

Out of all addictions, gamblers have the highest suicide rate. Las Vegas has the highest suicide rate of any US city virtually every year (google those facts if you like.)

I gamble myself, but I've been doing it long enough that I know how to avoid getting into trouble. When I was younger however, I learned some very expensive lessons. And that's why I would love to see the advertising be banned. I see young fellas getting started on gambling and I hate it - I know they're going to be fleeced for loads of money because they are too young to know better and could end up in the throes of addiction if they are inclined that way. It's growing very fast among young men (and women) due to these ads.
http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-gambling-3233357-Feb2017/
https://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/online-gambling-addiction-hitting-irish-women-26475243.html

Having the ads banned isn't nanny state stuff. I don't think gambling should be banned as it only leads to it being done illegally through organized crime. But kids watching sport should not bombarded with these ads, they are non stop on the weekend when racing and football are on, and by the time a boy turns 18 he thinks it's normal and starts down this path.

If you think people who get addicted to it are just stupid, it's actually you who need to get a clue. Addiction is hereditary and very real, and while betting being legal is fine - it provides jobs, tax revenue, and it avoids it being done through shady characters on credit, we should NOT be enticing young people to gamble every time they watch a sporting event.

Is it not a case of the horse has bolted, most kids watching sport now will stream it, likewise when they start betting - it won't be a trip to the local bookies where some magnitude of regulation applies. It's a free for all online and no banning of advertising from sport is going to have a sufficient impact. It may actually have a negative impact with reduction in revenue for sporting organisations.

I'm just disappointed in Michael D. I would have preferred if he raised the A&E issue that has been at crisis levels for 30 years and is the elephant in the room that no-one wants to tackle. I'm not naive, I know it's not headline grabbing or exciting but it affects everyone at some point in their life. But gambling advertising is far more exciting apparently...

Water John

If Duffy gets in, we'll have deer hunting in the Phoenix Park, tally ho.

batgoat

Niles Crane wrote: »

Every bit of this is 100% the person who gambles fault.

I watch sport constantly and I can control myself so it isn't that difficult to not gamble.

Why don't we ban providing credit in order to stop people getting into debt and the negative affect that has on society.

Constantly advertising to a group that are highly predisposed to addiction doesn't just affect the addict. It affects all those who surround them. I'd prefer to take steps to reduce addiction rather than give carte blanche to corporations exploiting addictions with no limit.

NinetyTwoTeam

Dravokivich wrote: »

Why don't we just shut their doors? If we want to support preventing an industry from advertising, we should just go all out and ban it already.

because then it just becomes an illegal trade.

the staff lose their jobs, the state loses a ton of tax. our jails are already overcrowded.

when you bet illegally, it is done on credit, which is very dangerous. unlike with a shop or site, you can bet amounts we don't have. and then if you lose and can't pay, you could be in physical danger. if you win big, you're bookie can just skip town.

people will always find a way to drink/gamble etc. there's no sense outlawing these vices, but we should not encourage, entice, normalize or glamorize them either. banning the ads is a great idea, I absolutely detest the ads, and I have gambled for years.

I don't need to be protected from the enticement of a bookie because I know his job is to mug you for every penny and I accept that. but we need to protect younger adults. The ads make it look like it's something cool to do, and while you become an adult at 18 you often aren't able to make great decisions, especially as regards risktaking. Why did they draft 18-19 year olds for wars like Vietnam? Because young men are attracted to each risk, glory, feel invincible, etc.

Young people also tend not to save or make great financial decisions, because they know they have plenty of time, they want to have fun NOW with their money.

The ads are just so obnoxious. We don't need them. It won't stop bookies mugging people off, but by jaysus we don't need to be helping them do it - they already have apps and websites that you can deposit from your bank account to in a few seconds and gamble from 24/7 365. Isn't that enough?

Interestingly, if you win and want to withdraw it back to your bank, that will take 3-5 working days. And while the withdrawal is being processed, many sites have a button you can click to cancel the withdrawal and make the funds available again to gamble immediately. These bookies have all the psychological dirty tricks in the world at their disposal, they have been honing them for years. Young men who decide to get in the ring with these organizations are ridiculously overmatched - they don't even know what they don't know. We should at least make it so that people who are inclined to gamble have to seek it out, not have it beamed into their retinas every halftime that they should be making the match more exciting by using the device every single one of them has in their hands to bet on the outcome of the match.

Owryan

Brett Shaggy Ewe wrote: »

Discussed here recently also:
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057888813&page=5

But in the same article he admits he's 'utterly powerless' to do anything about it.
Hold on aren't you the Pres, the PM, the big chief, and all that?
What's the point in titles without power?

Earlier in the year he very rightly warned of the coming 'gig economy',
but again will he stamp out the new zero-hours gigs appearing everywhere? Nope.

Maybe you need to go read up on the role of the president in ireland. It's largely a ceremonial role with no real powers.

Edgware

freshpopcorn wrote: »

You can agree with this or disagree with this.
Basically in the future sport may only be sponsored by heath food.
However this man said he was only going to ring for one term and he has shown he can't be trusted.

Thats the type of thing you say at elections

Dog Man Star

No-brainer: no gambling machines, booths in a pub.

If you want to gamble, die, or gamble on your phone. Next?

Beechwoodspark

I’m expecting a number of “interventions” (populist tripe no doubt) from auld micky now that he actually has to fight for his position.

Thankfully the swindle of being handed another term without an election failed.

Sleeper12

I'm 100 percent behind him. Kids watch sporting events. It's illegal for kids to gamble therefore they shouldn't be seeing gambling adverts

Sleeper12

Niles Crane wrote:

I watch sport constantly and I can control myself so it isn't that difficult to not gamble.

The most ridiculous argument I've ever seen. I don't take herion so it's the junkies fault if they can't control themselves.

My friendly suggestion: look up the meaning of addiction in the dictionary before making more comments like this.

Your comments are highly insulting to people addicted to anything. And their family for that matter.

0lddog

freshpopcorn wrote: »

..........
However this man said he was only going to ring for one term and he has shown he can't be trusted.

You cant expect a man of his age to remember things like that

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Why isn't he moaning about other forms of gambling?

4068ac1elhodqr

Owryan wrote: »

Maybe you need to go read up on the role of the president in ireland. It's largely a ceremonial role with no real powers.

Fair enough, so just soundbites from a ceremonial role.

His other point about the gig-economy deserves more attention than this issue.

That is, this is a non-issue as you cannot ban the ads on e.g. RTE, because channels from the UK will simply sweep up the audience (and profits). Most of them actually operate out from other places (tax-havens) in European islands anyway.

The poster above is correct, a black/underground market isn't the answer neither. The only solution is 'education, awareness and information'.

Q. Anybody know why the US is actually now starting to open up to betting after all these years?
A. Tax receipts ($bn's) that are currently going to a black market.

Brett Shaggy Ewe

Brett Shaggy Ewe wrote: »

Fair enough, so just soundbites from a ceremonial role.

His other point about the gig-economy deserves more attention than this issue.

That is, this is a non-issue as you cannot ban the ads on e.g. RTE, because channels from the UK will simply sweep up the audience (and profits). Most of them actually operate out from other places (tax-havens) in European islands anyway.

The poster above is correct, a black/underground market isn't the answer neither. The only solution is 'education, awareness and information'.

Q. Anybody know why the US is actually now starting to open up to betting after all these years?
A. Tax receipts ($bn's) that are currently going to a black market.

Where they operate from doesn't really matter. If the want to advertise here then they'll need to follow Irish rules. Similarly if we banned gambling advertising and these ads were played on Sky or BT they wouldn't be permitted to be broadcast here.

Riddle101

I've never been bothered by advertisements in relation to drink or gambling, and i've never felt encouraged to drink or gamble myself from an advertisement. It's because of this that i'm fairly relaxed about what they advertise.

4068ac1elhodqr

Bishop Sour Valedictorian wrote: »

Where they operate from doesn't really matter. If the want to advertise here then they'll need to follow Irish rules. Similarly if we banned gambling advertising and these ads were played on Sky or BT they wouldn't be permitted to be broadcast here.

Perhaps, it's a big ask though to close down exposure from the UK press, radio, tv, magazines etc. Can ads from e.g. ITV/Channel 4 be blocked?
Not of course forgetting Internet & Social Media (global). Think W'Hill had plenty of field ads at the World Cup matches, would you blur them all during live broadcasts, tricky...

A ban would be good, but only work if it was 100% successful otherwise the industry would loose to others.

NinetyTwoTeam

angel eyes 2012 wrote: »

Is it not a case of the horse has bolted, most kids watching sport now will stream it, likewise when they start betting - it won't be a trip to the local bookies where some magnitude of regulation applies. It's a free for all online and no banning of advertising from sport is going to have a sufficient impact. It may actually have a negative impact with reduction in revenue for sporting organisations.
...

sorry but you're wrong there. kids start watching sport from where their parents watch it, and basically all streams are from television broadcasts!

if the ads are banned from tv it would stop a lot of it. the main online ads are social media, and most parents regulate that a bit, and also those ads generally are targeted towards people who already are on gambling sites. they don't come out of nowhere like they do on TV.

now, certainly if they are streaming from a country that doesn't have it banned they would still see it, but if SKY's Ireland, who have the GAA now and RTE can't show gambling ads, that would help stop the GAA lads getting into it, and gambling addiction is rife with GAA players. And if Ireland does it the UK might too. Why do we always wait to copy them?

Sports organizations don't need gambling firms. Sports gambling outside of Vegas has been illegal in the US for ages (just been changed, actually). There has never been a single ad for a bookie broadcast on any US sports event. But the NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL do amazing. Heck they even have the MLS there now and it's the least popular sport there, and they didn't need gambling revenue

The bookies don't support sporting events. People paying money to attend/ watch the sports are what make the events and organizations viable, and those people should have a say about any addictive or potentially harmful things being shoved down their throats.

Sports teams don't need these ads. And those already gambling don't need or want the ads. The ads are there purely to entice new customers - young people mostly, to start gambling. Now they even have girly looking Candy crush or bingo type games that you can gamble on being advertised during evening TV - why? Because they are trying to figure out how to get women gambling as much as men already do, and women prefer those type of games (like in a casino, the women tend towards slots rather than men who play cards)

These ads are the equivalent of a drug dealer offering the first hit free. And you will notice, many of them give you free bet bonuses to new account sign ups.

Wanderer78

Riddle101 wrote: »

I've never been bothered by advertisements in relation to drink or gambling, and i've never felt encouraged to drink or gamble myself from an advertisement. It's because of this that i'm fairly relaxed about what they advertise.

oh never underestimate the power of advertisement, it employees some of the finest minds to manipulate you and your purchasing decisions

flazio

But isn't gambling the central premises of Horse racing? The industry would fall apart without it.

RayCun

flazio wrote: »

But isn't gambling the central premises of Horse racing? The industry would fall apart without it.

A sport that only exists because of gambling might disappear? Fetch me my violin.

4068ac1elhodqr

Riddle101 wrote: »

I've never been bothered by advertisements in relation to drink or gambling, and i've never felt encouraged to drink or gamble myself from an advertisement. It's because of this that i'm fairly relaxed about what they advertise.

Riddle these from your subconciousness:

“I'm Lovin' It” ? = clue: Mc….
“Finger Lickin' Good” ? = clue: CFK
“Have a Break, Have a…” ? = clue: Not a Cat
“Beanz Meanz….” ? clue: _ _ _ _ z
“Taste the Rainbow” ? clue: not bowls, but
“Snap! Crackle! Pop!” ? clue: breaKfast food
“Your Sooo Money…..” ? clue: a shop of sorts

whisky_galore

angel eyes 2012 wrote: »

Is it not a case of the horse has bolted, most kids watching sport now will stream it, likewise when they start betting - it won't be a trip to the local bookies where some magnitude of regulation applies. It's a free for all online and no banning of advertising from sport is going to have a sufficient impact. It may actually have a negative impact with reduction in revenue for sporting organisations.

I'm just disappointed in Michael D. I would have preferred if he raised the A&E issue that has been at crisis levels for 30 years and is the elephant in the room that no-one wants to tackle. I'm not naive, I know it's not headline grabbing or exciting but it affects everyone at some point in their life. But gambling advertising is far more exciting apparently...

Banning gambling ads is an easy win. You can get it through with minimum resistance. Sorting the HSE not so easy with the management mandarins with fat pay packets, unions and endless red tape.