The State of the Refugee Crisis in Germany

Drakares

Hi Folks,

This is going to be a long one.

You are probably going to say "awh hell no not another thread" but I have to talk about this. I am currently living in Southern Germany, I have a good job and I love it here have been here for over 3 years but I am seriously considering moving back home to Ireland because of how out of control things are getting here..

So many things don't make it into the news, some of the worst stuff.

A friend of mine is a doctor and he has been telling me about the huge increase in women getting raped/gangraped by men of "north african" descent that come to him to get checked for STI's - It's a weekly occurrence for him now, and the "rapers" are more or less never caught. These guys have no names, no passports and meld back into their refugee centers once they're done. Police have absolutely no control of the situation. He informed me of one group of guys who did get caught abusing 2 kids between the age of 10 and 14, they are now in prison, but they all claim to be under the age of 18, so they can't be sent back to their own countries.

I know three Iraqi guys who landed here under the idea that they were each to get a house, car and €2,000 a month! When this obviously wasn't true, they actually said "fk this!, we want to go home" - great! what better could you ask for? They want to leave of their own accord. NOPE. They arrived without passports and are NOT ALLOWED TO GO BACK TO IRAQ because they don't have passports! The Landratsamt (Administrative Districts Office) expects a waiting time of 6 months before they will have the sufficient paperwork processed to allow these guys to leave.

There is a 17 year old Egyptian guy living one hour from me who has been so violent (stabbings + assault) that they decided to pay a security company €13,000 a month to have a 24 hour watch on him - 2 security guys follow him around all day. A friend of mine is teaching German to the refugees and this guy is in her class, security mandatory at all times. There is no war in Egypt, ship him home? Nope, he is under 18. It's not legal.

Here where I live there are not so many, but 1 year later almost none of them can speak German and most of them can't speak English. When the weather is nice they just don't show up to their language class, they will just head out for a swim instead. Don't like the food? Start a fight with the people serving the food.

It is literally getting worse and worse by the day and that stupid cow, Merkel comes out with a statement last week that "everything is grand, we won't stop the inflow of refugees". The current laws are completely unacceptable and insufficient to deal with the situation. If someone seeking asylum here commits a crime that doesn't warrant 2+ years in prison, they are simply let go and their asylum is unaffected. It needs to be rape/murder before their asylum gets declined - so they can pick pocket, assault and pretty much do whatever they want. And if they are under 18, forget about any punishment.

I could write so much more but I feel this is probably already more than what most people will read. I am slowly but surely wanting to move back to Ireland, but I have a family here and I don't feel like running away is the right thing to do. So much of the bad stuff doesn't make it into the news, as so many people here don't want to be seen as "racist" and sher it's just the minority doing it. But even if we were generous and said the minority of 2% of a very conservative guess of 1m refugees, we're at 20,000 bad people.

Sorry for the rant, but I needed to get it off my chest.

I was wondering whether anyone would ever open a thread about bad immigrants.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Out of the three Abrahamic faiths Islam is the one which is not compatible with modern day Judeo Christian culture in the west.

You must understand the reason behind this, Islam is the literal word of God. It cannot be reformed like Christianity and Judaism.

speedboatchase

"Civilisations die from suicide, not by murder."

LuckyRoche

Are the actually under 18 or are they grown men claiming to be under 18?

Autonomous Cowherd

I don't think we can keep on dismissing people who question what seems to be happening re immigration in Europe as racists or Islamaphobes. That is a great way to shut down debate. One feels ashamed for bringing up the subject, as though having suddenly morphed into a fascist. But from news given to me by friends (very liberal and altruistic people) living in Sweden, there is a very big problem going on...in schools, in hospitals, in hostels, on the street, where peoples elder parents are being assaulted, where boys are ready to attack for simply being looked at, where scissors and sharp implements are thrown at teachers who are told then that their mothers will be raped. These are some very few samples of incidents I have heard in past month from small Swedish town. I am a life long liberal type, and my own daughter has been volunteering in refugee shelters in Germany and has made good friends among the new population. But this whole scenario that parallels the ordinary families seeking shelter, has me confounded. I believe what the OP is describing to be real.

mansize

So you are a migrant in Germany, complaining about other migrants...

conorhal

When you see 40,000 Turks holding a rally in Cologne to support a regressive Islamist wannbe dictator like Erdogan, you can't help but know that Germany has taken in too many and integrated too few. This will all end in disaster.

JustTheOne

conorhal wrote: »

When you see 40,000 Turks holding a rally in Cologne to support a regressive Islamist wannbe dictator like Erdogan, you can't help but know that Germany has taken in too many and integrated too few. This will all end in disaster.

Irish attitude, ah it will be graaaand.

Ten years down the line, who let this happen, who can we blame?

professore

This is very different to the normal rants we get on here. The OP doesn't come across as a xenophobe and is making valid points. The Germans have a history of extreme guilt about the war and some refugees are taking advantage.

mansize

Turkish resettlement to Germany happened long before Mrs Merkel became Chancellor.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't hold any weight either

the evasion_kid

I'm normally left leaning in my opinions...but this immigration policy is pure stupidity

Yamanoto

mansize wrote: »

So you are a migrant in Germany, complaining about other migrants...

An immigrant who upholds the law and makes a positive contribution to society is absolutely entitled to decry the behaviour of n'er-do-wells, who show scant respect for the values and culture long held dear in their adopted home.

mansize

Yamanoto wrote: »

An immigrant who upholds the law and makes a positive contribution to society is absolutely entitled to decry the behaviour of n'er-do-wells, who show scant respect for the values and culture long held dear in their adopted home.

German long held values and culture- which ones specifically???

enricoh

mansize wrote: »

2% - are 2% of EU migrants in Germany n'er-do-wells also????

Top tip for today mansize- when yer in a hole stop digging

mansize

enricoh wrote: »

Top tip for today mansize- when yer in a hole stop digging

98% should not suffer for the sins of the 2%


Would you not agree???

Alive1

Drakares wrote: »

Hi Folks,

This is going to be a long one.

You are probably going to say "awh hell no not another thread" but I have to talk about this. I am currently living in Southern Germany, I have a good job and I love it here have been here for over 3 years but I am seriously considering moving back home to Ireland because of how out of control things are getting here..

So many things don't make it into the news, some of the worst stuff.

A friend of mine is a doctor and he has been telling me about the huge increase in women getting raped/gangraped by men of "north african" descent that come to him to get checked for STI's - It's a weekly occurrence for him now, and the "rapers" are more or less never caught. These guys have no names, no passports and meld back into their refugee centers once they're done. Police have absolutely no control of the situation. He informed me of one group of guys who did get caught abusing 2 kids between the age of 10 and 14, they are now in prison, but they all claim to be under the age of 18, so they can't be sent back to their own countries.

I know three Iraqi guys who landed here under the idea that they were each to get a house, car and €2,000 a month! When this obviously wasn't true, they actually said "fk this!, we want to go home" - great! what better could you ask for? They want to leave of their own accord. NOPE. They arrived without passports and are NOT ALLOWED TO GO BACK TO IRAQ because they don't have passports! The Landratsamt (Administrative Districts Office) expects a waiting time of 6 months before they will have the sufficient paperwork processed to allow these guys to leave.

There is a 17 year old Egyptian guy living one hour from me who has been so violent (stabbings + assault) that they decided to pay a security company €13,000 a month to have a 24 hour watch on him - 2 security guys follow him around all day. A friend of mine is teaching German to the refugees and this guy is in her class, security mandatory at all times. There is no war in Egypt, ship him home? Nope, he is under 18. It's not legal.

Here where I live there are not so many, but 1 year later almost none of them can speak German and most of them can't speak English. When the weather is nice they just don't show up to their language class, they will just head out for a swim instead. Don't like the food? Start a fight with the people serving the food.

It is literally getting worse and worse by the day and that stupid cow, Merkel comes out with a statement last week that "everything is grand, we won't stop the inflow of refugees". The current laws are completely unacceptable and insufficient to deal with the situation. If someone seeking asylum here commits a crime that doesn't warrant 2+ years in prison, they are simply let go and their asylum is unaffected. It needs to be rape/murder before their asylum gets declined - so they can pick pocket, assault and pretty much do whatever they want. And if they are under 18, forget about any punishment.

I could write so much more but I feel this is probably already more than what most people will read. I am slowly but surely wanting to move back to Ireland, but I have a family here and I don't feel like running away is the right thing to do. So much of the bad stuff doesn't make it into the news, as so many people here don't want to be seen as "racist" and sher it's just the minority doing it. But even if we were generous and said the minority of 2% of a very conservative guess of 1m refugees, we're at 20,000 bad people.

Sorry for the rant, but I needed to get it off my chest.

Lovely rant, big on outlandish claims totally lacking in providing a single shred of evidence!

mansize

Alive1 wrote: »

Lovely rant, big on outlandish claims totally lacking in providing a single shred of evidence!

And the non racist left leaning moderates on boards lap it up

Drakares

mansize wrote: »

So you are a migrant in Germany, complaining about other migrants...

I am a migrant to Germany, yes. I speak German fluently, work 45 hours a week, pay my taxes and have no criminal record. But yes this is exactly the same thing as other people who after 1 year can't speak a word of the language, behave like animals and will never contribute anything to the society here... :rolleyes:

Stealthfins

I have been reading up on a lot of these scenarios and looking online on YouTube and other site's.

I read about how Islamic preachers are hell bent on spreading the faith...

Islam is a very powerful religion,it tells people to do whatever possible to stage jihad.
If it means kill,maim,lie,abuse,charm,fake your personality...so be it anything that's done for the good of Allah is acceptable.
If God wills it so be it.
This whole refugee thing started like a spark and now that spark is turning into a raging inferno,it's almost like Islam of Long ago.

If the west left the middle east and Africa alone and didn't influence in their affairs we'd have no influx of refugees in Europe.

Islam is fine when they're left alone and able to run their own system's,such as finance and laws etc,if they were left alone they probably would have been more progressive and not feel like the west knows best.
Our western ways don't suit some countries that are majority Islamic.
It's in their DNA,they are not easy to assimilate.

It's a clash of two civilizations,and it's actually happening right where those two civilizations meet.
Iraq and Syria right in the middle....

I'm not religious but I read some of the new testament and Islamic texts.
A lot of what is happening now is like a coincidence,very similar to the end of days stuff.

We're lucky were off the West coast of Europe.
We're probably one of the safest places in Europe now.

We don't need refugees and if any trouble started in this country or radicalism in mosques I'm sure there's plenty of Irish rebels who'll stamp it out.

I was once one of the loony left now I'm running towards the right.
The left agenda has Fck all empathy for their fellow country people or national sovereignty.
They are mostly stoners or layabouts,who are drinkers or of the hippy ilk I used to mix with those people.
They're blinded by their addictive behavior and self centeredness, argue with anyone who's thinking rationally.

They think everyone should think like them,and because they're so nice nothing bad will ever happen to them,because they're stoned or living in a bubble....

Drakares

Alive1 wrote: »

Lovely rant, big on outlandish claims totally lacking in providing a single shred of evidence!

This is what I have experienced personally. A LOT of crime doesn't get reported in the news.

The first basic google search: 69,000 reported crimes from Refugees in the first 3 months of 2016: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-crime-idUSKCN0YT28V

Rape is the least likely to get reported btw.. If this wasn't obvious.

Also, there are so many people just like you here who like to ignore what is going on in front of them.. When a young woman gets gangraped, the poor lads come from a different culture and shur there not all like that so stop making a big fuss!

There is a real problem here, and there needs to be a solution and fast.

Stealthfins

Drakares wrote:

Also, there are so many people just like you here who like to ignore what is going on in front of them.. When a young woman gets gangraped, the poor lads come from a different culture and shur there not all like that so stop making a big fuss!

That's the way these drunk and stoned hippies and new age leftie people perceive the world around them.

Sure I'm half bombed out of it.....I only see sunshine lollipops and rainbows...

Of course it's all that FFS lol
You're stoned....you can't see the wood from the trees...

Lefties...huh

dissed doc

professore wrote: »

This is very different to the normal rants we get on here. The OP doesn't come across as a xenophobe and is making valid points. The Germans have a history of extreme guilt about the war and some refugees are taking advantage.

Any guilt by modern Germans born after WW2 is entirely contrived. It is a programmed and artificially constructed shame paradigm, to remove any identifocation with the nation.

I had said incidentally to a German guy (20s) in Ireland that the recent terrorism in Germany and especially Bavaria would likely have a negative impact on tourism. The response? "Germany is not such a big tourism country anyway".

They have been convinced that up is down,black is white, the sky is green and grass is blue. A sad end for a culture, but maybe it is for the best: juat remember to stop any German men from drinking beer or eating pork sausages - slap it away in the name Allah. And if you are criticised by a German woman, just tell her to not disrespect you by speaking tp you without her husbands permission.

The sooner we encourage native Germans to integrate into Islam the better. No more terrorism, world peace, John Lennon, etc.

mansize

Drakares wrote: »

This is what I have experienced personally. A LOT of crime doesn't get reported in the news.

The first basic google search: 69,000 reported crimes from Refugees in the first 3 months of 2016: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-crime-idUSKCN0YT28V

Rape is the least likely to get reported btw.. If this wasn't obvious.

Also, there are so many people just like you here who like to ignore what is going on in front of them.. When a young woman gets gangraped, the poor lads come from a different culture and shur there not all like that so stop making a big fuss!

There is a real problem here, and there needs to be a solution and fast.

Absolute numbers of crimes committed by Syrians, Afghans and Iraqis - the three biggest groups of asylum seekers in Germany - were high but given the proportion of migrants that they account for, their involvement in crimes was "clearly disproportionately low", the report said.

Samaris

Y'know, the best way to convince the evil lefties isn't necessarily to accuse them all of being blind stoners :rolleyes:. Just as a pro-tip in terms of debating. It's amazing how many people won't listen if your -opening gambit- is to insult them. There are plenty of wingnuts on the far-right too, and that just opens up the prospect of taking easy shots at them in return and then nothing gets debated.

As happens, I believe what the OP is saying, with the usual pinch of salt regarding exact numbers, because when you're -living- an issue, it's hard to get the exact objective numbers (not least since they're not easily accessible). Where I'm balking is against some of the more extreme methods of dealing with an issue (ban Islam! Kick out all the Muslims! Sure, they're all economic migrants anyway! That bloke around the shop is a rapist, he's Muslim!) One saw it clearly in all the threads in the spate of violence last week, where every crime was being counted as Islamic terrorism, even when it was blatantly not.

So, moving on from issues of quantification, yes, there's an issue, and I think in the future, people will be ashamed of how the Rotherham abuse ring was handled. It came from a place of good intentions, it worked out badly, because the truth was massaged for the sake of peace.

So, what can be done about it? Yes, I agree that immigration needs to be more strictly limited, and priority should absolutely be given to those genuinely fleeing terrorism and war. People that have been exposed to atrocities should have counselling made available to them to prevent the horror festering and breaking out as children in particular grow older. They should be made welcome and safe.

I have some sympathy for economic migrants. Hell, I was one myself, since Ireland didn't have much to offer a young graduate. However, Europe's economy isn't tough enough at the moment to withstand a huge wave of economic migrants, so their numbers should be limited far more strictly than those fleeing devastation.

At that point, there may need to be some sort of program depending on where people are coming from and their cultural beliefs to integrate them into European ways - preferably without insulting their religion, so it'd need to be done fairly humanely. Here's what's allowed in European culture, Sharia law, female circumcision for instance are not. Rape is deeply frowned upon and all blame and shame goes to the rapist, who absolutely will spend a long time in prison for it. Punish those that break those laws. And for heaven's sake, don't make things harder for ordinary people adjusting by the dumbass argument of "well, you're obviously not a REAL Muslim if you don't believe in x,y and z, therefore all Muslims are evil and incompatible with Europe" because that is absolutely counter-productive (and kinda assholish).

c montgomery

mansize wrote: »

And the non racist left leaning moderates on boards lap it up

Your so great.
You really are amazing.

c montgomery

mansize wrote: »

My what is so great?

I get the impression how people view you is important to you, I just wanted to make your day.

Renegade Mechanic

LuckyRoche wrote: »

Are the actually under 18 or are they grown men claiming to be under 18?

See for yourself

Obligatory Daily Mail warning, but Mordecai's Murdoch's News agencies are never not good for laughing at - be it in derision or disbelief.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3422000/Just-old-think-migrant-children-Alarming-pictures-shed-light-growing-scandal-amid-asylum-crisis.html

Edit: Murdoch owns the Daily Telegraph, not the Daily Mail

mansize

c montgomery wrote: »

I get the impression how people view you is important to you, I just wanted to make your day.

Cheers Clint

munchkin_utd

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

See for yourself

Obligatory Daily Mail warning, but Mordecai's Murdoch's News agencies are never not good for laughing at - be it in derision or disbelief.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3422000/Just-old-think-migrant-children-Alarming-pictures-shed-light-growing-scandal-amid-asylum-crisis.html

shocking all right, which is why the Bavarian CSU is now calling for nobody to be let into the country without proof of who they are.

Now, in a country which is falling apart due to war, this may mean you havent a passport so I amnt sure how this can be enforced apart from guarded concentration camp type places, but it would be nostalgic indeed for germany to round up foreigners who havent commited any crime and just detain them in camps for an indefinite length of time.

mansize

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

See for yourself

Obligatory Daily Mail warning, but Mordecai's Murdoch's News agencies are never not good for laughing at - be it in derision or disbelief.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3422000/Just-old-think-migrant-children-Alarming-pictures-shed-light-growing-scandal-amid-asylum-crisis.html

An earlier version of this article said that Ahmed Farid 'claimed he was 16'. We are happy to make clear that he claimed to be 16 when he left Afghanistan but was 18 in the photograph when he was holding the fluffy bear. We have removed references to him as a gesture of goodwill. UPDATE

DM leaving others to Provide the facts, as usual, reminds me of the EU bananas claim