Puppy adoption fee?

HotChocolate.1

I recently went to adopt a puppy from my local animal welfare centre to discover the adoption fee was 120 euro, i know they have expenses to cover and need the money to help other animals but does anyone else think 120 euro is a bit steep?
There are alot of people who would be able to provide loving homes for dogs but may not be able to afford the 120 euro fee, surely 50 euros would be more reasonable? is it not better to let the person who wants to adopt the dog make a voluntary contribution instead, surely this is better than no money atall and having to end up putting the dog to sleep?

Whispered

It's actually cheaper to pay the €120 than it would be to get your new dog then worm, flea, vaccinate, neuter and microchip yourself.

HotChocolate.1

Whispered wrote: »

It's actually cheaper to pay the €120 than it would be to get your new dog then worm, flea, vaccinate, neuter and microchip yourself.

But considering the dog is a mut? and the dog doesn't come microchipped? surely itwould be better if they excepted any contribution rather than waiting for 120euros and then if no one takes the dog in the end having to put it to sleep?

fifib

Whispered wrote: »

It's actually cheaper to pay the €120 than it would be to get your new dog then worm, flea, vaccinate, neuter and microchip yourself.

majority of puppies wont be neutered or microchipped.
when we adopted our puppy, she was 4 months old and wasnt to be neutered until 6 months old. she only had her first round of jabs. so we had to microchip, get jabs and neuter her. we were asked for a donation, we gave €60, they told us €50 was norm for puppies and €100 for older dogs (they would be neutered)

Rommie

Worming tablets- about 4euro
Defleaing- roughly 8-10 euro
Vaccinations- 30-40 euro
Neutering- Depends on size of dog but can be anywhere from 80-200
Microchipping- 25euro

So, let's see about 150euro anyway if its the minimum of all those, assuming you get a very small dog and go to a cheap vet. Nope, I think 120euro is very fair as an adoption fee

Rommie

Out of interest OP, is it a rescue or an SPCA that you were looking at? Because rescues won't put the dogs to sleep no matter what

Stheno

HotChocolate.1 wrote: »

But considering the dog is a mut? and the dog doesn't come microchipped? surely itwould be better if they excepted any contribution rather than waiting for 120euros and then if no one takes the dog in the end having to put it to sleep?

Yes imo it would be better to have the dog pts than just give it to anyone.

That €120 contributes to the costs what Rommie just posted, plus the cost of having the dog/pup kennelled/fostered, fed, and socialised until it finds a home.

Whispered

It costs the rescue the same to look after a "mut" as it does a purebred. I would however expect it to come microchipped too.

Also, if their adoption fee is €120, it is likely to be the same for each dog, even ones which cost a lot during their time in rescue (like one which comes in with injuries or illness).

tiny timy

80 euro from the ispca,all in and it includes neutering

Whispered

fifib wrote: »

majority of puppies wont be neutered or microchipped.
when we adopted our puppy, she was 4 months old and wasnt to be neutered until 6 months old. she only had her first round of jabs. so we had to microchip, get jabs and neuter her. we were asked for a donation, we gave €60, they told us €50 was norm for puppies and €100 for older dogs (they would be neutered)

I don't know about the rescue you dealt with but the majority of rescues give vouchers for neutering if the dog is too young and the majority will have the dogs chipped.

ISDW

So OP, did you pay the €120 and adopt a puppy?

HotChocolate.1

Rommie wrote: »

Out of interest OP, is it a rescue or an SPCA that you were looking at? Because rescues won't put the dogs to sleep no matter what

SPCA

HotChocolate.1

ISDW wrote: »

So OP, did you pay the €120 and adopt a puppy?

Yes i did adopt the puppy, i didnt have a problem paying the 120euro as i could afford it im just saying some people mightn't be able to and they could provide really good homes for dogs

Rommie

Thing is though OP if you can't afford 120euro to donate and fund a rescue in exchange for a pup, then how do you expect to feed the dog? Buy a lead? Buy toys? A licence? A bed? Treats? Etc, etc. If someone can't afford to spend 120euro to get the dog, then where are they going to miraculously get money to pay for the rest of these things? Not to mention that having to pay will put off people wanting to breed/fight/bait the dogs which is what they would do if they got them for free.

HotChocolate.1

Whispered wrote: »

It costs the rescue the same to look after a "mut" as it does a purebred. I would however expect it to come microchipped too.

Also, if their adoption fee is €120, it is likely to be the same for each dog, even ones which cost a lot during their time in rescue (like one which comes in with injuries or illness).

I didn't say it didnt did i ? im simply referring to the fact that i could have bought a purebread dog for 150euros from a reliable breeder, microchipped and all injections got, this might intice some people to just spend another 30euro for the status attached to having a pure bread dog instead of a terrior etc, so SPCA'S would benefit more if there adoption fee was voluntary as more people would be inclined to resuce a puppy instead of buy one. for me wether the dog was pure bread or a resuce dog didnt matter, i just wanted a puppy

Stheno

HotChocolate.1 wrote: »

I didn't say it didnt did i ? im simply referring to the fact that i could have bought a purebread dog for 150euros from a reliable breeder, microchipped and all injections got, this might intice some people to just spend another 30euro for the status attached to having a pure bread dog instead of a terrior etc, so SPCA'S would benefit more if there adoption fee was voluntary as more people would be inclined to resuce a puppy instead of buy one. for me wether the dog was pure bread or a resuce dog didnt matter, i just wanted a puppy

Most likely any pure bred at that price will not have had the health checks etc that a well bred pure breed would, that price is more puppy farmer/backyard dealer pricing

HotChocolate.1

Rommie wrote: »

Thing is though OP if you can't afford 120euro to donate and fund a rescue in exchange for a pup, then how do you expect to feed the dog? Buy a lead? Buy toys? A licence? A bed? Treats? Etc, etc. If someone can't afford to spend 120euro to get the dog, then where are they going to miraculously get money to pay for the rest of these things? Not to mention that having to pay will put off people wanting to breed/fight/bait the dogs which is what they would do if they got them for free.

Im sure alot of people could afford 10euro a week for food but maybe not 120 in one go? leads and toys can all be bought in the 2euro shop and my puppy sleeps beside the fire on a rug so she doesnt need an expensive bed? and the SPCA'S carry out home checks to be sure none of that is going on.

HotChocolate.1

Stheno wrote: »

Most likely any pure bred at that price will not have had the health checks etc that a well bred pure breed would, that price is more puppy farmer/backyard dealer pricing

No they are a very reliable breeder and ive known them for years, they make very little profit from breeding dogs as they do it purely because they love animals. they had all health checks as im friends with this person and have seen them been taken to the vets, so please dont jump to conclusions!

Rommie

Health checks don't mean being taken to the vet. They mean having genetic health testing done on the parent dogs, so Stheno is right to jump to conclusions on that. For 150 euro a pup, there's no way they've healthtested the parents. Not to mention the word 'they make very little profit from breeding dogs', how often do they breed dogs then? Obviously more than once. Doesn't sound that responsible to me. And no dog should be bred simply because the owner 'loves' them. No wonder we have so many rescue dogs out there.

Whispered

HotChocolate.1 wrote: »

I didn't say it didnt did i ?

you mentioned it wasn't a purebred pup, I was just pointing out that it doesn't matter because the rescue likely has the same adoption fee for each dog regardless of breed or medical history.

How is your puppy settling in?

HotChocolate.1

Rommie wrote: »

Health checks don't mean being taken to the vet. They mean having genetic health testing done on the parent dogs, so Stheno is right to just to conclusions on that. For 150 euro a pup, there's no way they've healthtested the parents. Not to mention the word 'they make very little profit from breeding dogs', how often do they breed dogs then? Obviously more than once. Doesn't sound that responsible to me. And no dog should be bred simply because the owner 'loves' them. No wonder we have so many rescue dogs out there.

She has two different bitches, each has one set of pups? jesus everyone is so judgmental and quick to jump to conclusions on here!

IF YOU DONT KNOW THE ANSWER DONT ASSUME, ASK FIRST!

ISDW

HotChocolate.1 wrote: »

I didn't say it didnt did i ? im simply referring to the fact that i could have bought a purebread dog for 150euros from a reliable breeder, microchipped and all injections got, this might intice some people to just spend another 30euro for the status attached to having a pure bread dog instead of a terrior etc, so SPCA'S would benefit more if there adoption fee was voluntary as more people would be inclined to resuce a puppy instead of buy one. for me wether the dog was pure bread or a resuce dog didnt matter, i just wanted a puppy

I don't know any reputable breeder that would be selling a pure breed dog for €150, and btw, there are breeds of terriers that are pedigrees. With the genetic health testing needed before even considering breeding, the stud fees of the health tested sire, the proper care for the bitch pre, during and after whelping, and the puppy costs, excellent food, injections, microchipping, registration etc, the breeder would lose an awful lot of money if selling at that price. Reputable breeders don't do it for money, but to improve the breed, so usually just about break even when all the costs of doing it properly are counted up.

You can also get pure breed dogs in rescues btw, i have IKC registered huskies here that are rescue dogs

HotChocolate.1

Whispered wrote: »

you mentioned it wasn't a purebred pup, I was just pointing out that it doesn't matter because the rescue likely has the same adoption fee for each dog regardless of breed or medical history.

How is your puppy settling in?

Shes settling in fine now, she winged a bit the first night i think she was missing her brothers and sisters but shes settled down now, very playful & cheeky

DBB

Just to add to the bigger picture here, it costs most rescues more than €120 to get a dog from intake to rehoming. Some dogs will cost less because they're already neutered, chipped etc, or they're puppies, and not old enough to neuter (I'm picking neutering here as it's the major expense for rescues).
However, many dogs cost a whhhoooollle lot more than €120, if there are any medical issues, or even if the dog isn't rehomed quickly and ends up staying with the rescue for several months... these dogs can end up costing the rescue hundreds, maybe into the thousands in some cases.
So, it's all got to balance up somehow. If I take in a dog that costs me €500 to prepare for rehoming, I cannot possibly ask its adopter to reimburse me that €500. So, we spread the love, and instead of asking some people to pay a lot more, and some people to pay less, we spread the cost across everyone. Most half-decent rescues will operate the same policy.
Another thing to bear in mind, and Whispered already mentioned it, a good rescue will give out vouchers with puppies so that the adopter can get the pup done at the rescue's expense when pup is old enough.
And yet another thing to bear in mind: most rescues have worked hard to build up a good relationship with their vets, who generally give discounts to the rescues which members of the public simply won't get. It costs me a lot less to prepare a dog for rehoming than it would for a member of the public to get the same procedures done. And this saving is passed on to the adopter via an adoption fee which would be hugely higher if the rescue didn't have the luxury of a veterinary discount.
I have given old dog to new homes and not charged any fee at all, as it doesn't seem fair. The irony is that these oldies are often the ones that have cost a fortune to put right before enjoying another year or two of happy retirement.
I'd be really wary, if someone couldn't afford €120 to adopt a dog: it's about €10 per year of the dog's life! It doesn't matter that it's a "mutt"! Keeping a dog is not cheap, whether purebred or mutt, the adoption fee is actually the cheapest part of it!
It is important to realise that rescues can't operate based on what some people think is a good enough donation: we have to spell it out for them!

HotChocolate.1

ISDW wrote: »

I don't know any reputable breeder that would be selling a pure breed dog for €150, and btw, there are breeds of terriers that are pedigrees. With the genetic health testing needed before even considering breeding, the stud fees of the health tested sire, the proper care for the bitch pre, during and after whelping, and the puppy costs, excellent food, injections, microchipping, registration etc, the breeder would lose an awful lot of money if selling at that price. Reputable breeders don't do it for money, but to improve the breed, so usually just about break even when all the costs of doing it properly are counted up.

You can also get pure breed dogs in rescues btw, i have IKC registered huskies here that are rescue dogs

I know you can i have a west highland terrior, i meant cross bred terriors whoare not pedigree.

ISDW

DBB wrote: »

Just to add to the bigger picture here, it costs most rescues more than €120 to get a dog from intake to rehoming. Some dogs will cost less because they're already neutered, chipped etc, or they're puppies, and not old enough to neuter (I'm picking neutering here as it's the major expense for rescues).
However, many dogs cost a whhhoooollle lot more than €120, if there are any medical issues, or even if the dog isn't rehomed quickly and ends up staying with the rescue for several months... these dogs can end up costing the rescue hundreds, maybe into the thousands in some cases.
So, it's all got to balance up somehow. If I take in a dog that costs me €500 to prepare for rehoming, I cannot possibly ask its adopter to reimburse me that €500. So, we spread the love, and instead of asking some people to pay a lot more, and some people to pay less, we spread the cost across everyone. Most half-decent rescues will operate the same policy.
Another thing to bear in mind, and Whispered already mentioned it, a good rescue will give out vouchers with puppies so that the adopter can get the pup done at the rescue's expense when pup is old enough.
And yet another thing to bear in mind: most rescues have worked hard to build up a good relationship with their vets, who generally give discounts to the rescues which members of the public simply won't get. It costs me a lot less to prepare a dog for rehoming than it would for a member of the public to get the same procedures done. And this saving is passed on to the adopter via an adoption fee which would be hugely higher if the rescue didn't have the luxury of a veterinary discount.
I have given old dog to new homes and not charged any fee at all, as it doesn't seem fair. The irony is that these oldies are often the ones that have cost a fortune to put right before enjoying another year or two of happy retirement.
I'd be really wary, if someone couldn't afford €120 to adopt a dog: it's about €10 per year of the dog's life! It doesn't matter that it's a "mutt"! Keeping a dog is not cheap, whether purebred or mutt, the adoption fee is actually the cheapest part of it!
It is important to realise that rescues can't operate based on what some people think is a good enough donation: we have to spell it out for them!

Exactly, I had one boy come into us that cost €800 to get him ready for rehoming with everything that the poor lad had gone through. his new family donated €100, so the extra €700 came out of my own pocket into the vet's bank account. he has a fantastic home, and I'm delighted he's there, but they wouldn't have paid €800 for him, so now i have a lovely young bitch that already spayed, chipped, vaccinated etc, but her adoption money will go straight to the vets when it comes in, it will not clear what I owe the vets but will pay a bit off, evens it up a little bit.

HotChocolate.1

DBB wrote: »

Just to add to the bigger picture here, it costs most rescues more than €120 to get a dog from intake to rehoming. Some dogs will cost less because they're already neutered, chipped etc, or they're puppies, and not old enough to neuter (I'm picking neutering here as it's the major expense for rescues).
However, many dogs cost a whhhoooollle lot more than €120, if there are any medical issues, or even if the dog isn't rehomed quickly and ends up staying with the rescue for several months... these dogs can end up costing the rescue hundreds, maybe into the thousands in some cases.
So, it's all got to balance up somehow. If I take in a dog that costs me €500 to prepare for rehoming, I cannot possibly ask its adopter to reimburse me that €500. So, we spread the love, and instead of asking some people to pay a lot more, and some people to pay less, we spread the cost across everyone. Most half-decent rescues will operate the same policy.
Another thing to bear in mind, and Whispered already mentioned it, a good rescue will give out vouchers with puppies so that the adopter can get the pup done at the rescue's expense when pup is old enough.
And yet another thing to bear in mind: most rescues have worked hard to build up a good relationship with their vets, who generally give discounts to the rescues which members of the public simply won't get. It costs me a lot less to prepare a dog for rehoming than it would for a member of the public to get the same procedures done. And this saving is passed on to the adopter via an adoption fee which would be hugely higher if the rescue didn't have the luxury of a veterinary discount.
I have given old dog to new homes and not charged any fee at all, as it doesn't seem fair. The irony is that these oldies are often the ones that have cost a fortune to put right before enjoying another year or two of happy retirement.
I'd be really wary, if someone couldn't afford €120 to adopt a dog: it's about €10 per year of the dog's life! It doesn't matter that it's a "mutt"! Keeping a dog is not cheap, whether purebred or mutt, the adoption fee is actually the cheapest part of it!
It is important to realise that rescues can't operate based on what some people think is a good enough donation: we have to spell it out for them!

In 2011 i adopted a puppy from the same centre and the adoption fee was 50euro, now the adoption fee has more than doubled in cost, i understand that with the recession there has been an increase in the amount of dogs needing rehoming yet i have researched this topic and most shelters show only a slight increase in the amount of dogs being taken in each year and some even show a decrease. so please spell it out for me how the price has increased from 50 to 120 euro in less than a year and a half?

DBB

HotChocolate.1 wrote: »

[/I] IF YOU DONT KNOW THE ANSWER DONT ASSUME, ASK FIRST!

HotChocolate, if you have a problem with a post, report it. Please don't take matters into your own hands.
Do not reply to this post on-thread.
Thanks,
DBB

Stheno

HotChocolate.1 wrote: »

In 2011 i adopted a puppy from the same centre and the adoption fee was 50euro, now the adoption fee has more than doubled in cost, i understand that with the recession there has been an increase in the amount of dogs needing rehoming yet i have researched this topic and most shelters show only a slight increase in the amount of dogs being taken in each year and some even show a decrease. so please spell it out for me how the price has increased from 50 to 120 euro in less than a year and a half?

Have you a link to back up that numbers are static/decreasing?

most rescues have reported a significant increase in numbers.

Are you talking about pounds?

Rommie

I would absolutely love to meet someone from a rescue showing a decrease in the number of animals seeing as every single one I know is full to bursting

Cookie_Monster

Rommie wrote: »

Worming tablets- about 4euro
Defleaing- roughly 8-10 euro
Vaccinations- 30-40 euro
Neutering- Depends on size of dog but can be anywhere from 80-200
Microchipping- 25euro

So, let's see about 150euro anyway if its the minimum of all those, assuming you get a very small dog and go to a cheap vet. Nope, I think 120euro is very fair as an adoption fee

well considering the cost to the rescue / SPCA of keeping the dog for another month / year / however long you would think they'd be more than happy to hand them over without a charge...

Rommie

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

well considering the cost to the rescue / SPCA of keeping the dog for another month / year / however long you would think they'd be more than happy to hand them over without a charge...

So the rescue should do all of this and then expect absolutely no donation in turn? And how are they supposed to continue running? Grow a money tree out back? As DBB and ISDW stated, some vet bills can run right up into the hundreds, if not thousands, and rescues are supposed to just hand dogs out for free after that?

DBB

HotChocolate.1 wrote: »

In 2011 i adopted a puppy from the same centre and the adoption fee was 50euro, now the adoption fee has more than doubled in cost, i understand that with the recession there has been an increase in the amount of dogs needing rehoming yet i have researched this topic and most shelters show only a slight increase in the amount of dogs being taken in each year and some even show a decrease. so please spell it out for me how the price has increased from 50 to 120 euro in less than a year and a half?

First of all, there's no need to be so aggressive with me OP, I was simply outlining why many rescues charge the fee they charge, just to help others understand.
I have no intention of speaking for another shelter OP: ask them yourself!
What I can tell you is that my fee for adoption had not changed in 6 or 7 years, despite veterinary care being much more expensive now.
Where did you get figures for how many dogs various shelters are rehoming? I didn't realise there was such a figure available... I don't know any rescues who are asked to return these figures.. so I'd be interested to know where you got them from?

HotChocolate.1

Rommie wrote: »

So the rescue should do all of this and then expect absolutely no donation in turn? And how are they supposed to continue running? Grow a money tree out back? As DBB and ISDW stated, some vet bills can run right up into the hundreds, if not thousands, and rescues are supposed to just hand dogs out for free after that?

I never said that they shouldn't be rewarded for it I said that some people mightn't be able to afford the 120 euro but would make excellent dog owners! Did you bother to read the first post atall.

HotChocolate.1

westies4ever wrote: »

You know someone selling west highlands for €150?????? Don't think ive ever seen them for less than €300!

I'm assuming you got yours from a certain rescue in Louth? If you did, that lady should charge double - she does amazing work.

No I didn't get the puppy from Louth!

Rommie

HotChocolate.1 wrote: »

I never said that they shouldn't be rewarded for it I said that some people mightn't be able to afford the 120 euro but would make excellent dog owners! Did you bother to read the first post atall.

Yes I did, and if you read my post, you'd see that it wasn't directed at you, it was directed at cookiemonster who I quoted in my post

Whispered

HotChocolate.1 wrote: »

I never said that they shouldn't be rewarded for it I said that some people mightn't be able to afford the 120 euro but would make excellent dog owners! Did you bother to read the first post atall.

Rommie was quoting another post?

You seem very annoyed about all this OP.

HotChocolate.1

DBB wrote: »

First of all, there's no need to be so aggressive with me OP, I was simply outlining why many rescues charge the fee they charge, just to help others understand.
I have no intention of speaking for another shelter OP: ask them yourself!
What I can tell you is that my fee for adoption had not changed in 6 or 7 years, despite veterinary care being much more expensive now.
Where did you get figures for how many dogs various shelters are rehoming? I didn't realise there was such a figure available... I don't know any rescues who are asked to return these figures.. so I'd be interested to know where you got them from?

Google it !

DBB

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

well considering the cost to the rescue / SPCA of keeping the dog for another month / year / however long you would think they'd be more than happy to hand them over without a charge...

Jayney mac, no! I won't "hand over" a dog to just anyone! The deal us rescues make with the dogs we get in is that we'll find them the very best home possible for them. If that means holding onto them for longer, so be it. Handing dogs over to the first bidder is not rescue. It's just moving dogs around.
Flippin hell, every rescue in this country would grind to a halt within a month if we expected to not only pay all those vet fees, but then give the dog away fro nothing! It's bad enough that we do it all voluntarily, indeed often dipping into our own pockets!

HotChocolate.1

Whispered wrote: »

Rommie was quoting another post?

You seem very annoyed about all this OP.

But the same logics apply, if there going to incur costs of hundreds by feeding the dog would they not be happy to hand the dog over for any contribution instead of holding onto it and incurring more costs?

Felexicon

The snobbery and high horse responses on this thread are unreal. The OP asked a legitimate question and has been breated from the start.
Then she says she knows someone who sells dogs for €150 and is informed that either she is lying or her friend is running a puppy farm.
To top it all of a mod then gives her a warning for conduct!
Fu(king crazy carry on

westies4ever

HotChocolate.1 wrote: »

No I didn't get the puppy from Louth!

Jeez just asking - most rescue westies in Ireland do. This forum is a bit loopy tonight - everyone's in a bad mood! 😨

DBB

HotChocolate.1 wrote: »

Google it !

HotChocolate, you made the assertion, it's up to you to back it up. If you can't, then I'll just have to assume you made it up.
I AM a rescue. So is ISDW. I am in constant contact with many rescues around the country. I can assure you, we are never asked how many dogs we rehome so that it can be put on a register somewhere, so I'm afraid I simply don't accept your assertion. So, back it up, and I'll ready myself to believe you!

Stheno

HotChocolate.1 wrote: »

Google it !

Google returns definite figures for the dog pounds, not rescues.

So can you please back up your argument that rescues have seen static, or decreasing numbers coming in in recent years?

And btw, telling people to google something is not the way to win an argument debate, either be prepared to back up your statements or admit that you can't.

boomerang

Sure you can buy a pup for €150, but in the vast majority of cases it will have been given just one vaccination, bought at the chemist and given by the breeder, which is illegal and untrustworthy. Pups sold for profit never have their second vaccination - the breeder wants rid at eight weeks or earlier if possible. You'll need a vet visit for the second vaccination and any vet would rather start the vaccinations from scratch than trust that the first one was given correctly, at the correct age and having being stored appropriately. Anyways the vet can't certify a vaccination given by some unknown person so the vaccination cert would be incomplete - useless if you wanted to put your pup in boarding kennels.

Any decent rescue I know of are neutering pups prior to adoption and if that's not possible, they ask for the same donation as they would for a neutered dog, so that when your pup is old enough for neutering you needn't pay anything to the rescue's vet.

Most people aren't too fussed about their dog's pedigree and will happily adopt a cross-breed or a specific breed without papers. There will always be people willing to adopt from rescue rather than pay out for a dog from a private seller simply because they enjoy giving something back and feel that giving a needy pup or dog a home is a good thing to do.

There is an awful lot to be said for paying a flat fee for a neutered, fully vaccinated, wormed and microchipped pup or dog. For one thing, with the animal already neutered, you don't have to go through the agony of watching your pet wear the cone of shame for ten days!

Most dogs don't have to stay in the system so long that the cost of keeping them begins to outweigh the requested adoption fee, but when that does happen, there is merit in halving or waiving the adoption fee, to draw attention to that dog. A lot of people will take pity on the dog for being passed over so often, and will likely make a full donation anyways.

ShaShaBear

If a potential owner was heart-set on adopting a dog, they would save up and plan for it. If they were free, people could just walk in off the street on impulse and adopt a dog. I get what you mean in that it doesn't cost much to get toys etc, but even putting aside 30 or 40 a week means you would have this fee in two or three weeks. I know my local rescue lets people "reserve" dogs that they want, so if you were absolutely in love with a particular dog, you could save over a few weeks and this would give you enough time to make sure your house and garden was dog-safe, and that you had toys and food prepared. Honestly, if you could only afford to maybe put away a tenner a week or couldn't afford to save at all toward this fee, you would be in serious trouble if the dog ever needed a visit to the vet, for neutering, or boosters, scratches from a dog fight, hurt pads from walking on broken glass, older age etc.

ISDW

HotChocolate.1 wrote: »

Google it !

what search term should we use, I just googled dog shelter numbers and just got links to a lot of Irish rescues and shelters, the first one was a well known and well respected rescue based in Galway, with this as the first part of the blurb on their site:

We regret to inform you that our kennels are currently full and we will not be in a position to take in dogs from members of the general public for the foreseeable future. This is an extremely difficult time for our staff, volunteers, and all animal rescue centres across the country. The number of stray dogs being rescued by compassionate members of the public has increased dramatically over the past number of weeks, and our centre is receiving a large number of calls from concerned members of the public. The number of dogs being brought into the local authority pounds is also at an all-time high.

DBB

Felexicon wrote: »

The snobbery and high horse responses on this thread are unreal. The OP asked a legitimate question and has been breated from the start.
Then she says she knows someone who sells dogs for €150 and is informed that either she is lying or her friend is running a puppy farm.
To top it all of a mod then gives her a warning for conduct!
Fu(king crazy carry on

I merely asked the OP not to back-seat moderate: it's against the forum charter, and in fact is supposed to warrant an official warning. No matter what, I will not let breaches of the forum charter slide. It's what I'm here for.
If you have a problem with any post, report it.
If you need to criticise any mod actions, please do so via the feedback forum, or contact the CMods. Do not bring it up on-thread again.
Thanks,
DBB

HotChocolate.1

DBB wrote: »

HotChocolate, you made the assertion, it's up to you to back it up. If you can't, then I'll just have to assume you made it up.
I AM a rescue. So is ISDW. I am in constant contact with many rescues around the country. I can assure you, we are never asked how many dogs we rehome so that it can be put on a register somewhere, so I'm afraid I simply don't accept your assertion. So, back it up, and I'll ready myself to believe you!

Oh because your a moderator I'm suppose to just except your ruling? You'd swear I was in the wrong here, all I did was ask a question & got abused and told I was lying? I've got three rescue dogs and wondered why the rate of adoption fees has gone up so drastically, but if this is how you moderate, giving me a warning and not anyone else who basically says I'm a liar then your not a very good one! Boards is supposed to be a place for discussion and not bullying? All I did was ask a simple question which required a yes or no answer! Never met so many ignorant people in my life.

boomerang

ShaShaBear wrote: »

Honestly, if you could only afford to maybe put away a tenner a week or couldn't afford to save at all toward this fee, you would be in serious trouble if the dog ever needed a visit to the vet, for neutering, or boosters, scratches from a dog fight, hurt pads from walking on broken glass, older age etc.

I try not to get bogged down in that ShaShaBear, and I'm always willing to negotiate with a potential adopter over the adoption fee, if it's a genuine case of hardship. Rescues that don't homecheck tend not to be as flexible about the adoption fee as it's their only yardstick of how good a home it will be. You needn't be so rigid if you are doing homechecks.

The thing for me is, even if the person has plenty of money now to cover contingencies, that's not to say they'll always be in that position. Or that they wouldn't make self-sacrifices to ensure their pet gets the care it needs, if they were very short of money.

ShaShaBear

boomerang wrote: »

I try not to get bogged down in that ShaShaBear, and I'm always willing to negotiate with a potential adopter over the adoption fee, if it's a genuine case of hardship.

The thing for me is, even if the person has plenty of money now to cover contingencies, that's not to say they'll always be in that position. Or that they wouldn't make self-sacrifices to ensure their pet gets the care it needs, if they were very short of money.

Oh I agree, I mean in reference to the OP saying that some people couldn't afford to pay the full lump in one go - I'd figure that most people don't make a decision to just adopt a dog, and then go immediately to adopt one - they have a wee think about it first, or it's been at the back of their mind for a while. Most people know that rescue dogs do have an adoption fee, so after making the decision, I imagine people would put money away towards it.