Court removed to Kilkenny?

Max Powers

part of the court in Waterford is apparently (front of N&S) being touted for moving to KK. this puts the 15m promised for court ext and new fire station in doubt.

Is there no ends to what FG will do to rape Waterford of its assets while prviding little to no support

Dan133269

This has to be a joke? How would that even work?
Can you scan the page, OP? Nothing on News and Star website.

7upfree

Max Powers wrote: »

part of the court in Waterford is apparently (front of N&S) being touted for moving to KK. this puts the 15m promised for court ext and new fire station in doubt.

Is there no ends to what FG will do to rape Waterford of its assets while prviding little to no support

Sweet Jesus. It is now becoming obvious what's going on. It will be Galway all over again if we are not careful.

Sully

We cant put up a scanned version of the newspaper. This is no longer allowed across Boards. Post a snippet of part of the article and it will be fine.

This is news to me. I heard something on WLR this morning but I didn't catch the detail. Shall definitely be asking for more info on this. The government have given funding for an expansion to the court house but they require the fire service to move which negotations are ongoing at the moment. The intention is to expand the courthouse to the rear and accommodate a 6 courtroom courthouse. So, I have no idea why it would be partly in Kilkenny.

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

We cant put up a scanned version of the newspaper. This is no longer allowed across Boards. Post a snippet of part of the article and it will be fine.

This is news to me. I heard something on WLR this morning but I didn't catch the detail. Shall definitely be asking for more info on this. The government have given funding for an expansion to the court house but they require the fire service to move which negotations are ongoing at the moment. The intention is to expand the courthouse to the rear and accommodate a 6 courtroom courthouse. So, I have no idea why it would be partly in Kilkenny.

I'd say someone else does though.......

Sully

7upfree wrote: »

I'd say someone else does though.......

Does what?

Max Powers

Dan133269 wrote: »

This has to be a joke? How would that even work?
Can you scan the page, OP? Nothing on News and Star website.

no can do on the scan, i was just rushing out of a shop on my lunch when i saw it on front page.

wellboytoo

Apparently the money is in place to build the courthouse but Envirnoment will not give the money to move the Fire station so impasse,

Kracken

One would question if this has anything to do the potential downgrade of City status, can a town have a court the size of Waterford. Is there a legality that only a city can have a certain type of court?

Sully

Kracken wrote: »

One would question if this has anything to do the potential downgrade of City status, can a town have a court the size of Waterford. Is there a legality that only a city can have a certain type of court?

Waterford is not being downgraded and will remain a City. Fact.

O Riain

Sully wrote: »

Waterford is not being downgraded and will remain a City. Fact.

With the merger and all the little bits and pieces being removed from us here and there its gonna start looking less and less like a city each day. One act by itself does not make us less of a city but all these acts combined together will jeopardize us as a city. Can you not see that.

Sully

O Riain wrote: »

With the merger and all the little bits and pieces being removed from us here and there its gonna start looking less and less like a city each day. One act by itself does not make us less of a city but all these acts combined together will jeopardize us as a city. Can you not see that.

I agree, but lets just hold back now and make sure there isn't anything like this going to continue happening.

- It looks like our hospital isn't at risk anymore, but again, lets approach this with caution.

- The courthouse was given funding recently and there are negotiations towards moving the firehouse which ill need to see what the problem is - that's the delay in that regard. This story in the News & Star is news to me and I really have no idea what its about.

- City status remains as is. Its rumours and people misleading the public for their own agenda in some cases and people just being a bit daft buying into it. Many politicians in opposition included and business people believe the merger will benefit Waterford but concerns are noted in terms of why others didn't get merged (reasons given for this, but no side will ever accept defeat) and how that may impact on how we fight our corner.

- VEC merged with Wexford. Seems like valid reasons given but nothing conclusive on either side to win that debate.

- In the past, there have been issues. I agree 100% we need to fight our corner and ensure this chipping away at Waterford does not continue under anybody.

BlaasForRafa

Sully wrote: »

Does what?

Nobody (except you probably) would be one bit surprised if Phil Hogan was up to shenanigans and bigging up KK at the expense of Waterford.

fuzzy dunlop

Careful Now lads don't you know we're alll just paranoid here? It has nothing to do with Phil Hogan (Environment Minister). And of Course don't bad mouth our elected reps.God forbid they do something to call a halt to this fiasco!

Kracken

Sully wrote: »

Waterford is not being downgraded and will remain a City. Fact.

Apologises, I thought that it was still on the cards

fricatus

Sully wrote: »

Waterford is not being downgraded and will remain a City. Fact.

In name only Sully. It will, de facto, be a step below Cork, Galway and Dublin in administrative terms, because it won't be on the same level as a county, unlike those cities. Now that is a fact, and to me it smells like a downgrade.

Yes Boss

Sully wrote: »

Waterford is not being downgraded and will remain a City. Fact.

Yes it is relative to the other City (Cork) in the new Southern Region which is not losing its City and County Council. Once the new regions are in place Waterford becomes a second tier player to Cork in the newly formed region.

In addition, Mr. Hogan's department is not sanctioning the finance to construct the new Fire Station. If this doesn't happen, the Courthouse will not be expanded and the High Court cases will move to Kilkenny.

Sully

Right well I can ease the speculation on this and deal with the paranoia once again. There is no factual suggestion or suggestion the government or Phil Hogan is intending to move the Court House. The paper is speculating on a theory by legal professionals that due to the delay in getting an improved courthouse, which may I add has secured funding by this government, over the relocation of the fire station that it would eventually lead to the service being shared with Kilkenny. That is what the paper is suggesting and it was never suggested as being considered by the government direclty or indirectly. Just a theory!

Now to focus on the issue at hand. Yes there are plans to extend the courthouse to give four extra courtrooms and yes this government has guaranteed funding for it. The problem is the fire station is in the way and needs to be moved. This is where the stumbling block is. Its been a known public issue for sometime now.

Our public reps have been at the forefront of negotiations and I can confirm that a very positive meeting was had this week with Minister Hogan and Cllr John Cummins with other local reps (ill post those names later when I confirm). It is hoped that Phil Hogan will agree, as this falls into his department, to give funds the construction of the new fire station at a seperate site in Waterford which would then in turn allow for the drawing down of funds already allocated by this government towards the court house as part of another major capital investment for Waterford under the jobs stimulus plan.

In the event that the fire station is not relocated, construction will go ahead on a smaller scale namely two extra courtrooms rather than the targeted four.

Yes Boss

Sully wrote: »

Right well I can ease the speculation on this and deal with the paranoia once again. There is no factual suggestion or suggestion the government or Phil Hogan is intending to move the Court House. The paper is speculating on a theory by legal professionals that due to the delay in getting an improved courthouse, which may I add has secured funding by this government, over the relocation of the fire station that it would eventually lead to the service being shared with Kilkenny. That is what the paper is suggesting and it was never suggested as being considered by the government direclty or indirectly. Just a theory!

Now to focus on the issue at hand. Yes there are plans to extend the courthouse to give four extra courtrooms and yes this government has guaranteed funding for it. The problem is the fire station is in the way and needs to be moved. This is where the stumbling block is. Its been a known public issue for sometime now.

Our public reps have been at the forefront of negotiations and I can confirm that a very positive meeting was had this week with Minister Hogan and Cllr John Cummins with other local reps (ill post those names later when I confirm). It is hoped that Phil Hogan will agree, as this falls into his department, to give funds the construction of the new fire station at a seperate site in Waterford which would then in turn allow for the drawing down of funds already allocated by this government towards the court house as part of another major capital investment for Waterford under the jobs stimulus plan.

In the event that the fire station is not relocated, construction will go ahead on a smaller scale namely two extra courtrooms rather than the targeted four.

The Finance for the new Fire Station was sanctioned as far back as 2004. According to Michael Walsh (City Manager) this "came to a shuddering halt due to...fiscal corrections by the Government in recent years".

Therefore, if the money that was promised in 2004 is not sanctioned by Minister Hogan, we will not get the expanded Courthouse as promised.

Also - I would love to hear your opinion about Waterfords position relative to Cork in the new Southern Region. Not a downgrade - my ars€!

mike65

if the station is moved but to be kept within the city I'd move it to the old Gas Works site, with a new bridge onto Waterside, otherwise there must be a few units on the ORR that can be adapted.

Sully

Yes Boss wrote: »

The Finance for the new Fire Station was sanctioned as far back as 2004. According to Michael Walsh (City Manager) this "came to a shuddering halt due to...fiscal corrections by the Government in recent years".

Therefore, if the money that was promised in 2004 is not sanctioned by Minister Hogan, we will not get the expanded Courthouse as promised.

Also - I would love to hear your opinion about Waterfords position relative to Cork in the new Southern Region. Not a downgrade - my ars€!

Yes a lot of services and capital investments were cut back around Ireland due to the financial state of our affairs. Yes this was one of them put on hold by the governments but it is hoped it will be given by Phil Hogan to allow for a full expansion and not a part expansion which would happen regardless.

The city and county merger has been discussed already on these forums and id prefer another thread didnt get bogged down on another issue if that's okay (or just PM me if you don't want to look).

Jason Todd

mike65 wrote: »

if the station is moved but to be kept within the city I'd move it to the old Gas Works site, with a new bridge onto Waterside, otherwise there must be a few units on the ORR that can be adapted.

Agreed, there are plenty of places to have the Station better positioned in the City, I wouldn't have thought that would be a major issue tbh.

Yes Boss

Sully wrote: »

Yes a lot of services and capital investments were cut back around Ireland due to the financial state of our affairs. Yes this was one of them put on hold by the governments but it is hoped it will be given by Phil Hogan to allow for a full expansion and not a part expansion which would happen regardless.

The city and county merger has been discussed already on these forums and id prefer another thread didnt get bogged down on another issue if that's okay (or just PM me if you don't want to look).

I'm fine with that once you stop misleading people. I will PM you my question.

fuzzy dunlop

Jason Todd wrote: »

Agreed, there are plenty of places to have the Station better positioned in the City, I wouldn't have thought that would be a major issue tbh.

I think it was planned to move it Ballybeg drive somewhere which if you think about it would be a good location. This is sort of middle of the city and close to both the inner and outer ring road.

Jason Todd

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

I think it was planned to move it Ballybeg drive somewhere which if you think about it would be a good location. This is sort of middle of the city and close to both the inner and outer ring road.

Where exactly is that? Is it on the WIT side or the Tesco side, or even the Waterford Crystal Sports Centre side of Ballybeg?

At least if they are close to the ORR they can avoid some of that traffic from the college/facories at rush hour.

fuzzy dunlop

Jason Todd wrote: »

Where exactly is that? Is it on the WIT side or the Tesco side, or even the Waterford Crystal Sports Centre side of Ballybeg?

At least if they are close to the ORR they can avoid some of that traffic from the college/facories at rush hour.

I am not sure as I am going 100% from memory but I think it was close enough to the entrance of Ballybeg drive opposite the crystal showrooms where the farmyard was. There is not much land there nown but I think it would be enough still. I also seem to remeber something about it being a multi story structure (3-4) floors.

7upfree

Jason Todd wrote: »

Where exactly is that?

Allegedly near Tesco Ballybeg.

sparkling sea

There does seem to be a bit of scare mongering in relation to the main services in Waterford however there have been, over the years, eroding of and actions that seem to be leaving Waterford out of the loop when you compare it to other Cites.

Examples of this would be the lack of science and IT based courses available to people who are unemployed through Springboard, all other major urban centres offer these course, we have the highest unempolyment and emigration rate, we desparately need these types of courses to attract MNC and SME

No ombudsman outreach service available in Waterford, all other major urban centres offer this service.

In another area 4 fm was the multi city radio station licenced buy the BCI however Waterford was the only City to not be covered by the 1st multi city radio station, why? Another service we didn't get in booming Ireland.

University we don't have one.

Longterm lack of funding and grants for the airport - not made available to Waterford in the boom time

These are just a small example of the various areas which allow for the undermining of Waterford. Apart from the Uni it may seem like minor services, but lack of these services have there own implications when people think about Waterford as a forward thinking, forwarding moving location.

Its all the little things that we are missing:(

7upfree

sparkling sea wrote: »

There does seem to be a bit of scare mongering in relation to the main services in Waterford however there have been, over the years, eroding of and actions that seem to be leaving Waterford out of the loop when you compare it to other Cites.

Examples of this would be the lack of science and IT based courses available to people who are unemployed through Springboard, all other major urban centres offer these course, we have the highest unempolyment and emigration rate, we desparately need these types of courses to attract MNC and SME

No ombudsman outreach service available in Waterford, all other major urban centres offer this service.

In another area 4 fm was the multi city radio station licenced buy the BCI however Waterford was the only City to not be covered by the 1st multi city radio station, why? Another service we didn't get in booming Ireland.

University we don't have one.

Longterm lack of funding and grants for the airport - not made available to Waterford in the boom time

These are just a small example of the various areas which allow for the undermining of Waterford. Apart from the Uni it may seem like minor services, but lack of these services have there own implications when people think about Waterford as a forward thinking, forwarding moving location.

Its all the little things that we are missing:(

Great post. That one about 4FM is MOST interesting.

We also lost:

The IDA Regional Office (which is still advertised as being here at the cork Road entrance)

The ambulance control went to Wexford.

And just to add - I wouldn't call the University a "little thing". It will be the difference between this city surviving and dying a slow death.

Sully

I was always of the understanding that 4fm was objected to locally by competing stations in the city/region. I think its seriously getting silly if your suggesting government interference.

This current government has given significant investment towards Waterford. No doubt there has been a level of neglect and chipping away of services over the years.

- Court House expansion for at least two court rooms with a possibility of four court rooms.
- Possibility that a new fire station will be built in Waterford, allowing for a full expansion, as above, of the court house and not just part. Work is ongoing.
- 8m Flood Relief,
- 2m Viking Triangle, Signage, Paving, etc.
- Funding towards WRH; A&E with e Trauma Centre, relocation allowing for development of 5 isolation children cystic fibrosis rooms,
- 1.44m for Waterford Co Co water works (by Phil Hogan),
- Funding for the the WIT Carriganore campus,
- Funding for Splashworld in Tramore,
- Funding for a new Cycle Route scheme across Waterford.

We have received continued funding for our airport despite other airports, including Galway, having their funding withdrawn by the government. But the Minister for Transport, who has family connections to Waterford, has stated that airports need to work on helping themselves as there isn't a huge amount of funding that can be made available to smaller airports.

In regards to University - nothing personal, but I believe a lot of the Universities are objecting to additional ones being created regardless of who it is. We are in the Program for Government - a first for us - and commitments have been given to get a Technological University which is being established. No other government has gone this far in regards to WIT moving forward.

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

In regards to University - nothing personal, but I believe a lot of the Universities are objecting to additional ones being created regardless of who it is. We are in the Program for Government - a first for us - and commitments have been given to get a Technological University which is being established. No other government has gone this far in regards to WIT moving forward.

This is obviously gone by the wayside then. Ah, the joys of being in opposition.

http://www.munster-express.ie/local-news/fine-gaels-university-pledge/

"He promised that Fine Gael would campaign vigorously on the issue in opposition and if unsuccessful would deliver on its commitment if returned to power at the next election. Meanwhile – again in the absence of their desired response from the current government – it would be made a prime issue in the local and European elections next year".

sparkling sea

Sully wrote: »

I was always of the understanding that 4fm was objected to locally by competing stations in the city/region. I think its seriously getting silly if your suggesting government interference.

This current government has given significant investment towards Waterford. No doubt there has been a level of neglect and chipping away of services over the years.

- Court House expansion for at least two court rooms with a possibility of four court rooms.
- Possibility that a new fire station will be built in Waterford, allowing for a full expansion, as above, of the court house and not just part. Work is ongoing.
- 8m Flood Relief,
- 2m Viking Triangle, Signage, Paving, etc.
- Funding towards WRH; A&E with e Trauma Centre, relocation allowing for development of 5 isolation children cystic fibrosis rooms,
- 1.44m for Waterford Co Co water works (by Phil Hogan),
- Funding for the the WIT Carriganore campus,
- Funding for Splashworld in Tramore,
- Funding for a new Cycle Route scheme across Waterford.

We have received continued funding for our airport despite other airports, including Galway, having their funding withdrawn by the government. But the Minister for Transport, who has family connections to Waterford, has stated that airports need to work on helping themselves as there isn't a huge amount of funding that can be made available to smaller airports.

In regards to University - nothing personal, but I believe a lot of the Universities are objecting to additional ones being created regardless of who it is. We are in the Program for Government - a first for us - and commitments have been given to get a Technological University which is being established. No other government has gone this far in regards to WIT moving forward.

I have know idea if there was interference of any sort, nor am I suggesting that there was, however it is seriously silly to suggest that Irish politicans do not interfer in areas that fall outside their remit; and there is a long standing tradition of interference when it comes to radio licences. All radio licences are regulated , further there are always objections new radio licences when they may encroach on advertising revenue. It was a multi city licence, one of a kind and Limerick, Galway Cork and Dublin aren't the only Cities in Ireland, why was Waterford left out ? Either way it is an example of a service we don't have that is provided specifically for cities.

There is a programme for government however there is a long tradition of counties who are not represented by either; a Minister, an in favour politican or needed independant, being at best neglected, I would suggest that in relation to Springboard course offered at WIT this is the case. I do understand that it is highly unlikely that WIT will under the current economic climate, acheive Uni status.

The airport is receiving subvention along with all the other regional airports. The Minister has family connections, is there an implied suggestion in this remark perhaps?? May be I am just silly? Seriously!

As I pointed out, along with other elements, the lack of ancillary services, services that some people may suggest or not realise the importance off, means Waterford is being left behind.

I may be wrong but I get the feeling you may be an FG or Labour supporter, as you seem to deviating from the point I am making. While money is being allocated for infrastructure and I fully realise that the present government are not responsible for the mess this county is in, it has to be said, people living in Waterford, and the county itself, are suffering disproportionately and there must be a reason for it. People of all political persuasions should not be blind to this, and thats despite of the money being invested by the government.

Sully

7upfree wrote: »

This is obviously gone by the wayside then. Ah, the joys of being in opposition.

http://www.munster-express.ie/local-news/fine-gaels-university-pledge/

"He promised that Fine Gael would campaign vigorously on the issue in opposition and if unsuccessful would deliver on its commitment if returned to power at the next election. Meanwhile – again in the absence of their desired response from the current government – it would be made a prime issue in the local and European elections next year".

Or you could wait until the term ends before throwing a hissy fit. They are not in power even two years and during the time in office so far they have done more than any other government has done for WIT. They are, so far, sticking to the pledge. They did not say that it would be done overnight, they said;

would deliver on its commitment if returned to power at the next election

In the early new year we should see further progress in this regard. Everybody involved has been well briefed as to what has been done and what is being done. A lot has been done since they got into power and a lot more needs to be done before its good to go.

Sully

sparkling sea wrote: »

I have know idea if there was interference of any sort, nor am I suggesting that there was, however it is seriously silly to suggest that Irish politicans do not interfer in areas that fall outside their remit; and there is a long standing tradition of interference when it comes to radio licences. All radio licences are regulated , further there are always objections new radio licences when they may encroach on advertising revenue. It was a multi city licence, one of a kind and Limerick, Galway Cork and Dublin aren't the only Cities in Ireland, why was Waterford left out ? Either way it is an example of a service we don't have that is provided specifically for cities.

I'm not going to get into detail as to 'why' they didn't broadcast in Waterford because I have absolutely no idea whether the information I was given was valid or not. But there was no political interference of any sort in this case. Phil Hogan didn't step in and say "Ah now lads, feck awf. Kilkenny aint a city so we wont get it and ya can feck right awf if ya think those Deise eejits are gonna get it!!".

There is a programme for government however there is a long tradition of counties who are not represented by either; a Minister, an in favour politican or needed independant, being at best neglected, I would suggest that in relation to Springboard course offered at WIT this is the case. I do understand that it is highly unlikely that WIT will under the current economic climate, acheive Uni status.

Not sure what your point is. A commitment was made, it was then inserted into the programme for government, it was then decided that there would be a new type of University developed and established within this government lifetime, the Higher Education Authority (HEA) agreed new rules governing the establishment of a TU and we should now see some movement soon on the application process.

Sadly, as David Cullinane stated before, the politics within universities goes back a long time in Ireland which makes it a challenge to make changes and this needs to be sorted. There is serious objection to change, nothing directly aimed at Waterford or the South East but for any location.

The airport is receiving subvention along with all the other regional airports. The Minister has family connections, is there an implied suggestion in this remark perhaps?? May be I am just silly? Seriously!

Incorrect. Galway is basically closed because in June, the government decided it would stop funding them by December. Likewise, funding is to be withdrawn for Sligo Airport also next year. There is to be no additional operating or capital funding for Galway or Sligo airports from 2012, so both must find new ways of meeting operational costs. The Minister stated this was done to 'consolidate the strengths of Donegal, Knock, Kerry and Waterford.'

MOC88

Sully wrote: »

I was always of the understanding that 4fm was objected to locally by competing stations in the city/region. I think its seriously getting silly if your suggesting government interference.

This current government has given significant investment towards Waterford. No doubt there has been a level of neglect and chipping away of services over the years.

- Court House expansion for at least two court rooms with a possibility of four court rooms.
- Possibility that a new fire station will be built in Waterford, allowing for a full expansion, as above, of the court house and not just part. Work is ongoing.
- 8m Flood Relief,
- 2m Viking Triangle, Signage, Paving, etc.
- Funding towards WRH; A&E with e Trauma Centre, relocation allowing for development of 5 isolation children cystic fibrosis rooms,
- 1.44m for Waterford Co Co water works (by Phil Hogan),
- Funding for the the WIT Carriganore campus,
- Funding for Splashworld in Tramore,
- Funding for a new Cycle Route scheme across Waterford.

We have received continued funding for our airport despite other airports, including Galway, having their funding withdrawn by the government. But the Minister for Transport, who has family connections to Waterford, has stated that airports need to work on helping themselves as there isn't a huge amount of funding that can be made available to smaller airports.

In regards to University - nothing personal, but I believe a lot of the Universities are objecting to additional ones being created regardless of who it is. We are in the Program for Government - a first for us - and commitments have been given to get a Technological University which is being established. No other government has gone this far in regards to WIT moving forward.

1. Carriganore campus didn't get a cent from the government they had to borrow under the subsidary of Campus Services- are fine gael now saying they provided the funding?

2. That would mean we do not have adequate court services - the funding is there -
also having the fire service gridlocked in Waterford isn't helping anyone - the new site is a much better choice in a life or death situation
3. the 8 million fund is part of a nationwide annual 45 million available and were direly needed - this is performing a necessity - why would anyone pay a cent in taxes if this wasn't provided - the bare minimum
4. 2 million for the viking triangle is a joke compared to the kilkenny fund of 15 million for the medieval mile - considering they have relatively very few historical of any relevance - the only place in the country that deserves 15 million is Athassel Abbey or Tara
5. The waterworks were again desperately needed and completely under what is required - besides aren't we going to be paying for that in water charges soon enough (Phil Hogan approving this doesn't make me change my mind of him)
6. They put in some funding to WRH but at the same time closed ward around the city and it wouldn't surprise me if the cuts to he regional are pushed through and if they aren't the only reason would be the march
7. Why was 400,000 given to splashworld anyhow? I honestyly couldn't care less- compared to the amount of taxes Waterford people pay its a bit of a joke - i'd prefeer an improvement in some services tbh
8. What cycle shemes when are they due and what is the funding - has it been approved and won't be built
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To be honest the points you've made are a rarity in comparison to the cuts - and no they haven't been put in across the country - Waterford is being stripped of everything- how you continue to support the current government is beyond me - I understand that your a fine gael supporter - whatever fine gael stand for I don't know but surely it isn't this - all that has been emanating from this Government is colloquial politics and looking after the constituency its both fine gael and labour its not one or the other - none of the promises have been followed and blocking Waterford's progress in the courts is impeding the progress of the city? Why do you continue to support a Government that has been a disaster for Waterford and not other counties. That might be a rant but is only a fraction of how I feel about this Government and I'm definitely not the only one who observes Waterford's stripping of services that our taxes are more than adequate to pay for

MOC88

7upfree wrote: »

This is obviously gone by the wayside then. Ah, the joys of being in opposition.

http://www.munster-express.ie/local-news/fine-gaels-university-pledge/

"He promised that Fine Gael would campaign vigorously on the issue in opposition and if unsuccessful would deliver on its commitment if returned to power at the next election. Meanwhile – again in the absence of their desired response from the current government – it would be made a prime issue in the local and European elections next year".

It'll be a nice think to talk to about to the usual dopes who go pamplething etc. etc.

sparkling sea

Sully wrote: »

I'm not going to get into detail as to 'why' they didn't broadcast in Waterford because I have absolutely no idea whether the information I was given was valid or not. But there was no political interference of any sort in this case. Phil Hogan didn't step in and say "Ah now lads, feck awf. Kilkenny aint a city so we wont get it and ya can feck right awf if ya think those Deise eejits are gonna get it!!".



Not sure what your point is. A commitment was made, it was then inserted into the programme for government, it was then decided that there would be a new type of University developed and established within this government lifetime, the Higher Education Authority (HEA) agreed new rules governing the establishment of a TU and we should now see some movement soon on the application process.

Sadly, as David Cullinane stated before, the politics within universities goes back a long time in Ireland which makes it a challenge to make changes and this needs to be sorted. There is serious objection to change, nothing directly aimed at Waterford or the South East but for any location.



Incorrect. Galway is basically closed because in June, the government decided it would stop funding them by December. Likewise, funding is to be withdrawn for Sligo Airport also next year. There is to be no additional operating or capital funding for Galway or Sligo airports from 2012, so both must find new ways of meeting operational costs. The Minister stated this was done to 'consolidate the strengths of Donegal, Knock, Kerry and Waterford.'

As I said, in the current climate I wouldn't expect WIT to achieve Uni status.

I don't know what Phil Hogan has to do with the price of fish, 4fm first came on air in Feb 2007. I do know that neither you or anyone else can state with any credible degree certainty, whether or not party politics influenced decision making. I doubt it was it did.

I have it on very good authority that the runway is to be extended, and a new airline will be taking over the British routes thanfully. Can't wait for the jets.

But you deviate from the point again, the lack or loss of ancillary services is a big problem here.

Sully

MOC88 wrote: »

1. Carriganore campus didn't get a cent from the government they had to borrow under the subsidary of Campus Services- are fine gael now saying they provided the funding?

2. That would mean we do not have adequate court services - the funding is there -
also having the fire service gridlocked in Waterford isn't helping anyone - the new site is a much better choice in a life or death situation
3. the 8 million fund is part of a nationwide annual 45 million available and were direly needed - this is performing a necessity - why would anyone pay a cent in taxes if this wasn't provided - the bare minimum
4. 2 million for the viking triangle is a joke compared to the kilkenny fund of 15 million for the medieval mile - considering they have relatively very few historical of any relevance - the only place in the country that deserves 15 million is Athassel Abbey or Tara
5. The waterworks were again desperately needed and completely under what is required - besides aren't we going to be paying for that in water charges soon enough (Phil Hogan approving this doesn't make me change my mind of him)
6. They put in some funding to WRH but at the same time closed ward around the city and it wouldn't surprise me if the cuts to he regional are pushed through and if they aren't the only reason would be the march
7. Why was 400,000 given to splashworld anyhow? I honestyly couldn't care less- compared to the amount of taxes Waterford people pay its a bit of a joke - i'd prefeer an improvement in some services tbh
8. What cycle shemes when are they due and what is the funding - has it been approved and won't be built
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To be honest the points you've made are a rarity in comparison to the cuts - and no they haven't been put in across the country - Waterford is being stripped of everything- how you continue to support the current government is beyond me - I understand that your a fine gael supporter - whatever fine gael stand for I don't know but surely it isn't this - all that has been emanating from this Government is colloquial politics and looking after the constituency its both fine gael and labour its not one or the other - none of the promises have been followed and blocking Waterford's progress in the courts is impeding the progress of the city? Why do you continue to support a Government that has been a disaster for Waterford and not other counties. That might be a rant but is only a fraction of how I feel about this Government and I'm definitely not the only one who observes Waterford's stripping of services that our taxes are more than adequate to pay for

1) I know some of it was developed by Campus Services Ltd. but I could have sworn, like other campuses in WIT, they got state funding. I am open to correction though.

2) The funding is there to expand the court services by four rooms on the assumption we get to move the fire service and two rooms if not. The fire service issue will be dealt with by Phil Hogan, as its his department that allocates the funding and there is an issue with it not being available (it was put on the shelf by the previous government for the same reasons). I would hope that will go in our favour.

3) We have received funding before for flood relief in Waterford. This is the final phase. The construction cost of this phase is almost €9m with an investment of close to €10m to complete the overall scheme. Previous phases of the flood defence scheme involved the main quays secured from flooding with a kilometer-long glass flood wall along the River Suir.

4) Again, we have received considerable funding in the past for our Viking Triangle. This is the latest slot of funding towards this part of Waterford. IIRC, roughly €10m allocated towards this already.

5) Indeed but its funding nonetheless. Just put it in there to show that evil big Phil doesn't pass the buck when it comes to Waterford and decide to screw us.

6) Funding nonetheless. St Lukes is being given a slice of funding towards their A&E, which is one of the busiest in the country, and like when he got funding for his own 'viking triangle' people were furious that Kilkenny got any funding at all. It appears some in Waterford would prefer Kilkenny got nothing and Waterford took it all. Waterford has received more than Kilkenny.

7) It was a grant basically. Splashworld were looking for the funds to help reduce their costs by improving the energy efficiency of the building and they also wanted to improve disabled access to the pool. Its a very popular pool for tourists and locals alike so the funding is to be welcomed to help it improved.

8) Provision of a 3.2km mainly off road route which will connect directly to the Waterford County Council route to Tramore. Tramore to Waterford - provision of a 6.4km on road route along the regional road, linking directly to the proposed Waterford City route, resulting in a 10km route from Tramore to Waterford City. (Though, I think this was a waste of money). I believe there may have been funding for Dungarvan cycle routes and there was previous funding under Fianna Fail for the Green Route around Waterford.

Anyway, as a Fine Gael supporter I will repeat what I have said before: I don't put my City before Politics. I have repeatedly stated that there are times I support the party and there are times I go against the party. I think my various public comments on different issues backs this up, but people will only pick on the bits of me backing the party and not the ones where I go against the party.

Yes, I believe that successive governments have chipped away at Waterford. Yes, I see there is concern with the VEC merger to Wexford and the City & County councils being merged. The later, I feel will benefit Waterford. The former, I really have no idea what difference it will make but that's my ignorance. In terms of WRH, I am against any potential downgrading or removal of services from WIT. I am aware that other hospitals may not wish to be part of WRH and move to Dublin (Kilkenny have voted this way) but that's their choice, is it not?

sparkling sea wrote: »

As I said, in the current climate I wouldn't expect WIT to achieve Uni status.

Personally, I would be very annoyed if this was the case. They made a commitment and I expect them to stick by it.

I don't know what Phil Hogan has to do with the price of fish, 4fm first came on air in Feb 2007. I do know that neither you or anyone else can state with any credible degree certainty, whether or not party politics influenced decision making. I doubt it was it did.

Just making a joke as its what some folk think.

I have it on very good authority that the runway is to be extended, and a new airline will be taking over the British routes thanfully. Can't wait for the jets.

But you deviate from the point again, the lack or loss of ancillary services is a big problem here.

News to me, but again, your authority would be stronger than mine because I only know of what local activists are telling me (not politicians). I was aware t hat a rumour was afloat that routes were being taken over but, even today, there was a statement to say while the site for the expansion of the runway is being bought by the council there is no intention to extend it at this time. But, that could be done for various reasons.

Smiley Burnett

when is the court moving to kilkenny??
who announced this move?
what are the plans for waterford courthouse when this move takes place?

is there any mention of any of this in the story? NO??? REALLY??? YOU MEAN ITS JUST BULL****!!! WELL, I NEVER!

mecco

Sully wrote: »

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Anyway, as a Fine Gael supporter I will repeat what I have said before: I don't put my City before Politics. I have repeatedly stated that there are times I support the party and there are times I go against the party. I think my various public comments on different issues backs this up, but people will only pick on the bits of me backing the party and not the ones where I go against the party.

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Don't worry about it, not many associated to political parties do!

Re the topic in question, while there might be nothing concrete announced yet, it's no harm to get out in front of this and every other issue that might have an influence on Waterford. Let the national politicians know that the people of Waterford are watching.

I honestly believe that Waterford (and the S.E. region) are seen as a soft touch on a national political scale and thats why its one of the worst affected regions, No harm if they know that thousands of people are ready to march/question for any issue that affects their home.

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

Or you could wait until the term ends before throwing a hissy fit. They are not in power even two years and during the time in office so far they have done more than any other government has done for WIT. They are, so far, sticking to the pledge. They did not say that it would be done overnight, they said;.

Hissy fit. Hmm. Interesting terminology. I would call it grave concern for the future of this City. Again defending a political party and distorting the facts. Any bets on them annoucing it before the next election? When they know it will be impossible to push through? And then blame the new mob for it. Sound familiar?

Sully wrote: »

In the early new year we should see further progress in this regard. Everybody involved has been well briefed as to what has been done and what is being done. A lot has been done since they got into power and a lot more needs to be done before its good to go.

A lot has been done?

* Downgrading of the City.

* Downgrading of WRH.

* VEC moved to Wexford.

* Jobs for the boys and girls still ongoing.

From parties that claimed they were whiter than white before being elected.

Yep. A lot done alright.

Polictics is like looking at a magic show. The art of deception in practice. Some gullible people swallow it hook, line, and sinker. Then others see it for what it is - a complete fraud.

jad2007

This thread seems to have gone away from the topic which is the Courthouse.

Anyway to clear a few things up. Currently some sittings of Waterford Courts are being held in Kilkenny. These are High court cases that are held there because the Waterford building doesnt have the facilities. We dont get a lot of high court cases but the few we do are being held in Kilkenny. This inconveniences those attending and also represents a loss to local economy. A high court case could last weeks and could see various people staying in local hotels such as barristors and professional witnesses etc. All the other court proceedings ( district and circuit ) will continue as normal in Waterford.

There is €15M in place to extend the courthouse into the grounds of the current fire station. In relation to the fire station their current building is inadequate and money was agreed in 2004 to build a new station. The land is owned by the OPW and they have agreed to give it over to the courthouse expansion.

WCC has already given a greenfield site near Ballybeg to the Fire Service. Speaking to one of the guys they would prefer to be out of the city and feel that they would acheive better reponse times in such a location.

Now where it all falls down is that the Dept of Environment have withdrawn their funding so we dont get new fire station and they court extension doesnt go ahead as planned.

Sully

7upfree wrote: »

* Downgrading of the City.

In your opinion. Many are in favour and remember it was a report compiled by some Waterford people that were recommending this. The councils as they were, simply put, failed.

* Downgrading of WRH.

News to me. To the best of my knowledge, WRH has not been downgraded.

* VEC moved to Wexford.

Finally a fact. Not sure the impact on Waterford, but a fact nonetheless.

* Jobs for the boys and girls still ongoing.

This has what to do with Waterford?

From parties that claimed they were whiter than white before being elected.

Completely agree. Never suggested otherwise.

Polictics is like looking at a magic show. The art of deception in practice. Some gullible people swallow it hook, line, and sinker. Then others see it for what it is - a complete fraud.

Sure. So what, we abandon politics and... then what? If you want, ill throw you a few countries that have no democratic process and its a free for all. Those countries would love to have what we have. Maybe you should move over there for a few years, get involved in their version of politics and see how long you last?

Anyway, we have, again, completely went off topic and if you want to talk about this governments record in Waterford than create a new thread.

jad2007

Lads we have three threads ongoing that are basically the same political row, its getting ridiculous.

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

In your opinion. Many are in favour and remember it was a report compiled by some Waterford people that were recommending this. The councils as they were, simply put, failed.
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Councils. Plural. And it was recommended that ALL City and County Councils be merged. You yourself identified this. Or have you forgotten already? And it's not just my opinion. A large amount of people feel the same.

Sully wrote: »

News to me. To the best of my knowledge, WRH has not been downgraded..

OK - seeing as you're being pedantic; this ATTEMPTED downgrade/attack/pencil in as necessary.

Sully wrote: »

Sure. So what, we abandon politics and... then what? If you want, ill throw you a few countries that have no democratic process and its a free for all. Those countries would love to have what we have. Maybe you should move over there for a few years, get involved in their version of politics and see how long you last?
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No - what we want for once is honest politics with a reaonable number of TDs being paid a reasonable wage. Not much to ask, eh?

Dan133269

jad2007 wrote: »

This thread seems to have gone away from the topic which is the Courthouse.

Anyway to clear a few things up. Currently some sittings of Waterford Courts are being held in Kilkenny. These are High court cases that are held there because the Waterford building doesnt have the facilities. We dont get a lot of high court cases but the few we do are being held in Kilkenny.

Has the High Court ever sat in Waterford? what are the extra facilities needed in a High Court case as opposed to a District/Circuit court case?

7upfree

jad2007 wrote: »

Lads we have three threads ongoing that are basically the same political row, its getting ridiculous.

So let's stifle it then?

daenerysstormborn3

Dan133269 wrote: »

Has the High Court ever sat in Waterford? what are the extra facilities needed in a High Court case as opposed to a District/Circuit court case?

Yes, the High Court Judges travel around Ireland during the year to sit at provincial venues, Waterford being one of them, to prevent the need for all High Court actions being heard in Dublin. There are no extra facilities needed as such but obviously certain facilities are desired by High Court Judges as opposed to a District Court Judge in a small town.

The High Court used to sit in Waterford twice a year and Kilkenny once a year. The High Court now sits in Kilkenny twice a year and Waterford once a year. One of the reasons given for this is because Kilkenny Courthouse has been renovated and there is, for example, more consultation rooms, a larger bar room and larger chambers for the High Court judges.

MOC88

Sully wrote: »

1) I know some of it was developed by Campus Services Ltd. but I could have sworn, like other campuses in WIT, they got state funding. I am open to correction though.

2) The funding is there to expand the court services by four rooms on the assumption we get to move the fire service and two rooms if not. The fire service issue will be dealt with by Phil Hogan, as its his department that allocates the funding and there is an issue with it not being available (it was put on the shelf by the previous government for the same reasons). I would hope that will go in our favour.

3) We have received funding before for flood relief in Waterford. This is the final phase. The construction cost of this phase is almost €9m with an investment of close to €10m to complete the overall scheme. Previous phases of the flood defence scheme involved the main quays secured from flooding with a kilometer-long glass flood wall along the River Suir.

4) Again, we have received considerable funding in the past for our Viking Triangle. This is the latest slot of funding towards this part of Waterford. IIRC, roughly €10m allocated towards this already.

5) Indeed but its funding nonetheless. Just put it in there to show that evil big Phil doesn't pass the buck when it comes to Waterford and decide to screw us.

6) Funding nonetheless. St Lukes is being given a slice of funding towards their A&E, which is one of the busiest in the country, and like when he got funding for his own 'viking triangle' people were furious that Kilkenny got any funding at all. It appears some in Waterford would prefer Kilkenny got nothing and Waterford took it all. Waterford has received more than Kilkenny.

7) It was a grant basically. Splashworld were looking for the funds to help reduce their costs by improving the energy efficiency of the building and they also wanted to improve disabled access to the pool. Its a very popular pool for tourists and locals alike so the funding is to be welcomed to help it improved.

8) Provision of a 3.2km mainly off road route which will connect directly to the Waterford County Council route to Tramore. Tramore to Waterford - provision of a 6.4km on road route along the regional road, linking directly to the proposed Waterford City route, resulting in a 10km route from Tramore to Waterford City. (Though, I think this was a waste of money). I believe there may have been funding for Dungarvan cycle routes and there was previous funding under Fianna Fail for the Green Route around Waterford.

Anyway, as a Fine Gael supporter I will repeat what I have said before: I don't put my City before Politics. I have repeatedly stated that there are times I support the party and there are times I go against the party. I think my various public comments on different issues backs this up, but people will only pick on the bits of me backing the party and not the ones where I go against the party.

Yes, I believe that successive governments have chipped away at Waterford. Yes, I see there is concern with the VEC merger to Wexford and the City & County councils being merged. The later, I feel will benefit Waterford. The former, I really have no idea what difference it will make but that's my ignorance. In terms of WRH, I am against any potential downgrading or removal of services from WIT. I am aware that other hospitals may not wish to be part of WRH and move to Dublin (Kilkenny have voted this way) but that's their choice, is it not?
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The most that the government provided was part funding for buying the land and even that would have been probably linked to tssg if anything was given at all. They definitely didn't provide for the construction, landscaping, etc. etc. There was a promise of funding but this got thrown to the wayside. This has been causing problems financially combined with funding cuts. - this is 100% factual. I'm not sure where your getting your info. or whether it is an assumption.

SO what your saying is your happy with very basic and below what is required structural developments, a cycle track, increased funding for a tiny bit of wrh while wards are being closed around the city and the net beds in waterford is moved (and beds have been moved to cork not the proposed development in dungarvan that was also slashed). A once off fund for historical sites for the oldest maritime city in Ireland. Actually happy for Kilkenny - unlikely as it may seem I know a lot of people from Kilkenny, my issue is that the triangle is being portrayed as a fantastic investment. We won't be getting it again and if that kind of funding is available for a historical void why aren't we being assigned the proportion relative to the historical features that we have - only Derry and us have intact parts of city walls for example

What hospitals? Could have sworn Tipp and Wexford 100% didn't want to. As far as the Kilkenny goes I don't know what way they were tiltinwg but the millions in funding allocated to them a month ago from the HSE hardly pushed them towards Waterford.

My big issue is that they are taking our taxes and only reinvesting a fraction of what we've given them. We're the worst employment blackspot in the country and we get practically no investment to help the area

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

I was always of the understanding that 4fm was objected to locally by competing stations in the city/region. I think its seriously getting silly if your suggesting government interference.

This current government has given significant investment towards Waterford. No doubt there has been a level of neglect and chipping away of services over the years.

- Court House expansion for at least two court rooms with a possibility of four court rooms.
- Possibility that a new fire station will be built in Waterford, allowing for a full expansion, as above, of the court house and not just part. Work is ongoing.
- 8m Flood Relief,
- 2m Viking Triangle, Signage, Paving, etc.
- Funding towards WRH; A&E with e Trauma Centre, relocation allowing for development of 5 isolation children cystic fibrosis rooms,
- 1.44m for Waterford Co Co water works (by Phil Hogan),
- Funding for the the WIT Carriganore campus,
- Funding for Splashworld in Tramore,
- Funding for a new Cycle Route scheme across Waterford.

We have received continued funding for our airport despite other airports, including Galway, having their funding withdrawn by the government. But the Minister for Transport, who has family connections to Waterford, has stated that airports need to work on helping themselves as there isn't a huge amount of funding that can be made available to smaller airports.

In regards to University - nothing personal, but I believe a lot of the Universities are objecting to additional ones being created regardless of who it is. We are in the Program for Government - a first for us - and commitments have been given to get a Technological University which is being established. No other government has gone this far in regards to WIT moving forward.

Two words: anti-competitive. On the radio and university fronts. I thought we were living in a free economy?

Who exactly were these radio stations that objected?

fuzzy dunlop

Lads the whole thing about 4FM not including Waterford is a bit bogus to be honest. I think it has more to do with Beat and WLR having the legal right to broadcast on these frequencies in this area so that is why! 4FM iirc is broadcast locally from the cities and not nationally. Also iirc FM104 could be received in Waterford at first but was then blocked by a pirate radio station broadcasting locally.