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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 manlad
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    Threads like that are being posted daily on here. Its a sad but true fact. I doubt a company will be impressed by your fruit and veg experience. The government is literally driving young people to the airports with these schemes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 IdidIt
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    You should post it on here - http://jobbridgetonowhere.tumblr.com/

    Lots of companies trying to take advantage of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 Lisa2011
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    I emailed them and got this

    Dear Madam,



    Thank for your email. We will review and investigate the issues that you have raised.



    Kind regards,

    JobBridge team.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 Sir Oxman
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    Good luck with that- I alerted them about a big company who advertised a job with real pay one week and the next it was a dole + 50 quid 'opportunity of a lifetime'.
    Got the same rubbish back as above and then a follow up saying they had talked to the company and it was all above board.
    Eh, no it wasn't - I had applied for the job and was more than qualified and prepared to take the huge hit in pay as well as having close friends/ex-colleagues there who could tell me that the job was the exact same and some gimp had waddled in and took it at dole + 50 subsidy.
    I sent Jobbridge this info and they bluffed it off.

    To top it off, I'm one of the '000's of people funding this outrageous joke of a scheme with part of my private pension.

    There's a huge thread elsewhere on here about this insult to Irish workers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 SeaFields
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    gambiaman wrote: »
    Good luck with that- I alerted them about a big company who advertised a job with real pay one week and the next it was a dole + 50 quid 'opportunity of a lifetime'.
    Got the same rubbish back as above and then a follow up saying they had talked to the company and it was all above board.
    Eh, no it wasn't - I had applied for the job and was more than qualified and prepared to take the huge hit in pay as well as having close friends/ex-colleagues there who could tell me that the job was the exact same and some gimp had waddled in and took it at dole + 50 subsidy.
    I sent Jobbridge this info and they bluffed it off.

    To top it off, I'm one of the '000's of people funding this outrageous joke of a scheme with part of my private pension.

    There's a huge thread elsewhere on here about this insult to Irish workers.

    That's shocking. This country has no chance of getting on it feet as long as the employment market is being diluted by this scheme. And all of us looking for careers are in the sh!t til its ended.

    Your example above would be much better forwarded to a media organisation rather than job bridge themselves. Its obvious they are an incompetent bunch.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 Sir Oxman
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    Aye, a real kick in the balls and a wake-up call about what's going on in this kip.
    This 'scheme' is the Jobs Budget these clowns mouthed about for so long.
    I mean, if you tried really hard you couldn't make it up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 Lisa2011
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    The scheme is meant to create 5000 positions. Anyone know how many have been advertised so far and filled.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,474 Crazy Horse 6
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    A friend was sent out on three of these jobbridge schemes all to supermarket stores to do packing of shelves etc.. Each time he lasted about an hour before he "hurt his back" and could'nt finish the day. Social welfare can't do sh1t about it if it's a medical condition that prevents you from working. He's 100% right imo it's nothing but a slave scheme as far as i'm concerned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 Lisa2011
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    So anyone who gets on a jobbridge scheme job will just have to go back on social welfare after it finishes and then look for another job on the scheme


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 manlad
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    Well of course that is going to happen. Whay pay a worker yourself when you can just get one for free and they get the dole.
    Sure my brother in law has a haulage business, and he decided to let go some of his garage and depot staff and then hire some Jobbridge lads for free. He just has them washing trucks and trailers and looking after the warehouses.
    Immoral, yes. But it makes perfect finacial sense for the company. Fact is, if you want to stay in business and make profit you have to be ruthless because. If you do not cut costs like this, you can be sure your competitors are doing it. Then you are finished. Greed is good my friend, greed is good.

    Your brother is exploiting people that are living and getting by on the bare minimum. Regardless of them getting their dole money, he's basically paying them €50 a week for meaningless and ****ty work.

    I can understand that it makes financial sense for his company. But staff are one of the most important parts of a business, they keep it ticking over. If his drivers didn't turn up for work someday he would be fcuked. But yet he feels he should take advantage of the system. Even if he paid minimum wage it would be acceptable.

    To be honest I'd feel sick to the stomach if I was paying someone €50 for a weeks work, and pretty embarrassed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 AnnyHallsal
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    Well of course that is going to happen. Whay pay a worker yourself when you can just get one for free and they get the dole.
    Sure my brother in law has a haulage business, and he decided to let go some of his garage and depot staff and then hire some Jobbridge lads for free. He just has them washing trucks and trailers and looking after the warehouses.
    Immoral, yes. But it makes perfect finacial sense for the company. Fact is, if you want to stay in business and make profit you have to be ruthless because. If you do not cut costs like this, you can be sure your competitors are doing it. Then you are finished. Greed is good my friend, greed is good.

    If anyone figures out who this haulage business owner is they should report him for abusing the system, or tell me and I will.

    The government should not be subsidising the profits of the unscrupulous through the provision of tax-funded slaves, as you have so helpfully pointed out here - costing, not creating, jobs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 AnnyHallsal
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    manlad wrote: »
    Your brother is exploiting people that are living and getting by on the bare minimum. Regardless of them getting their dole money, he's basically paying them €50 a week for meaningless and ****ty work.

    I can understand that it makes financial sense for his company. But staff are one of the most important parts of a business, they keep it ticking over. If his drivers didn't turn up for work someday he would be fcuked. But yet he feels he should take advantage of the system. Even if he paid minimum wage it would be acceptable.

    To be honest I'd feel sick to the stomach if I was paying someone €50 for a weeks work, and pretty embarrassed.

    He's not paying the fifty euro, the government is. Even worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 floorpie
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    Well of course that is going to happen. Whay pay a worker yourself when you can just get one for free and they get the dole.
    Sure my brother in law has a haulage business, and he decided to let go some of his garage and depot staff and then hire some Jobbridge lads for free. He just has them washing trucks and trailers and looking after the warehouses.
    Immoral, yes. But it makes perfect finacial sense for the company. Fact is, if you want to stay in business and make profit you have to be ruthless because. If you do not cut costs like this, you can be sure your competitors are doing it. Then you are finished. Greed is good my friend, greed is good.

    You brother-in-law doesn't have a viable business.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 floorpie
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    He's not paying the fifty euro, the government is. Even worse.

    The taxpayer is, even worse worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,912 kilburn
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    A friend was sent out on three of these jobbridge schemes all to supermarket stores to do packing of shelves etc.. Each time he lasted about an hour before he "hurt his back" and could'nt finish the day. Social welfare can't do sh1t about it if it's a medical condition that prevents you from working. He's 100% right imo it's nothing but a slave scheme as far as i'm concerned.

    Jobbridge is voluntary there is no way that your friend was sent to work in 3 supermarkets under it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ArtSmart
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    A friend was sent out on three of these jobbridge schemes all to supermarket stores to do packing of shelves etc.. Each time he lasted about an hour before he "hurt his back" and could'nt finish the day. Social welfare can't do sh1t about it if it's a medical condition that prevents you from working. He's 100% right imo it's nothing but a slave scheme as far as i'm concerned.
    yes, think you're mixing up your schemes there.

    there is enough that is vile and wrong with jobsbridge without added fiction.

    shocking it is still in place. it really is.

    i would accept it if the companies were asked to make up wages themselves, to a full wage - for one year or two max. *

    but this? this is outrageous.

    * a sort of dole subsidy, with conditions, restrictions - similar to the back to work scheme. FFS if they're gonna pay dole, let the fooking employers do their part also.

    i also think the dole should cop itself on and allow people to work part time without the fooking head wreck of different punishments in place at the mo. what's better, black market work, no work? nonsense policy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ArtSmart
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    5249 positions

    2755 = interships/ wpps

    2485 = actual jobs of those 1783 = full time and 702 = part time

    so full time internships = 2755, full time jobs = 1783.

    Almost 2:1 of all jobs advertised are internships to jobs.

    take a look folks. the internships are for roles which used to be called jobs.

    http://kiosk.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=AW4hyLbgiuZfguLw8ahqudsaYmYVfCLeUX6kvoNNegKDyytpUFfGdc1FOqe6pmctbhEDL3JVeX/xXEExVLpFUZjDWn9lC8dZFZDxdZ/Mn4d6KG+0WqGUF/m8Kj6k0um7uVR1R3mxAufEnc5hAHgum4h0ztQuv+o2tsaliSHS6xj7A+8nHFSOPAdjtAkjYidQw2Ruu7h7kVfsDlf/0ziwfxLAHcLpGeNj7h1tg9ZLMNrMI6zjWtyVSfh1PZV0Y4cqeHOM+FXTypb9o9jR/hRv8krfOgrg8rRG2c8CdZnkYedQPhZybb8afIaVeYTHlINVL0cZCsnp6kANKo1N3l1oZw==


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,943 abouttobebanned
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    He's not paying the fifty euro, the government is. Even worse.

    I think he is paying the 50 euro. The government/taxpayer pays the 188


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 AnnyHallsal
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    I think he is paying the 50 euro. The government/taxpayer pays the 188

    According to the FAS press release: "the Department of Social Protection is paying the weekly €50 allowance."

    http://www.fas.ie/en/About+Us/News/29062011.htm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 Sir Oxman
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    I think he is paying the 50 euro. The government/taxpayer pays the 188


    No, Anny is correct.
    This is funded from the 2.4% private workers pension snatch earlier this year.
    This is the govt's 'Jobs Initiaitive'


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,943 abouttobebanned
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    Apologies.

    That's unbelievable.

    A total disgrace.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 Nothingbetter2d
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    i start an IT internship on monday.

    as i was only getting €185 a week from the dole office and paying €110 a week rent for the flat (no rent allowance payments as of yet) having only €75 a week to live on sucked badly... now i'll be getting €125 a week... i know it is still a pittance but it will be better than the measily €75 a week i had to live on.

    but in all honesty the scheme is preventing alot of new paid jobs from being created


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ArtSmart
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    i start an IT internship on monday.

    as i was only getting €185 a week from the dole office and paying €110 a week rent for the flat (no rent allowance payments as of yet) having only €75 a week to live on sucked badly... now i'll be getting €125 a week... i know it is still a pittance but it will be better than the measily €75 a week i had to live on.

    but in all honesty the scheme is preventing alot of new paid jobs from being created
    or rather instead of advertising jobs they normally would, employers are opting for the internship route.


    That is bad on all levels. income tax wise, good business practice wise, job figures wise, the effect on 'normal' jobs, the cost of dole + 50, the phrase 'yellow pack' worker.(esp in the professions like teaching) etc, etc.

    It's just outrageous. I voted for this crowd. This is not what I had hoped from them. This is doing the country damage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 SeaFields
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    ArtSmart wrote: »
    It's just outrageous. I voted for this crowd. This is not what I had hoped from them. This is doing the country damage.

    I'm not preaching at you but have you emailed, or written to them (your local government tds) ?

    I got the email addresses of the two government tds that I voted for in the GE and am asking them to justify this scheme. I'm sure i'll get a lot a crap back from them but if enough people do it they might get the message. Ministers don't give a sh!t, are too busy, yadda yadda... The backbenchers are the achilles heal of most governments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 Lisa2011
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    SeaFields wrote: »
    I'm not preaching at you but have you emailed, or written to them (your local government tds) ?

    I got the email addresses of the two government tds that I voted for in the GE and am asking them to justify this scheme. I'm sure i'll get a lot a crap back from them but if enough people do it they might get the message. Ministers don't give a sh!t, are too busy, yadda yadda... The backbenchers are the achilles heal of most governments.

    Where will that get us. If we all email our TDs will it get Enda to wake and realise the initative is not working.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 SeaFields
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    Lisa2011 wrote: »
    Where will that get us. If we all email our TDs will it get Enda to wake and realise the initative is not working.

    Well I'll put it this way, staying silent or confining your grievances to an internet discussion board will get you no where.

    It Joan Burton that needs to get the message.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 Lisa2011
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    SeaFields wrote: »
    Well I'll put it this way, staying silent or confining your grievances to an internet discussion board will get you no where.

    It Joan Burton that needs to get the message.

    I have no problem writing to Joan or any other politican. I think I might just do that. I would encourage others to do the same aswell. We can dream but it might just wake them up and realise they made a big mistake with the initiative.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,563 leeroybrown
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    We have a dedicated opposition for a reason. If the proper authorities are not giving you satisfactory response then contact the opposition spokespersons, TDs and senators to get it raised in the form of Dáil questions or at Seanad inquiries/committees.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,731 uli84
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    it's beyond a joke, today on Fas.ie - number of jobs - 95, internship - 99
    :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 Lisa2011
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    How long is it running for. What will happen once it finishes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 _feedback_
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    Trainee Landscaper

    Trainee Landscaper? You must be joking.

    I was a "Trainee Landscaper" when I was about 15. It involved doing every bit of pushing, pulling, lifting and cleaning that had to be done. The guy I was with did the cosmetic stuff, and I done the messy stuff.

    It was a hard days work for a few quid.

    How the hell can that be considered an internship? It's an absolute disgrace. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 Lisa2011
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    Trainee Landscaper

    Trainee Landscaper? You must be joking.

    I was a "Trainee Landscaper" when I was about 15. It involved doing every bit of pushing, pulling, lifting and cleaning that had to be done. The guy I was with did the cosmetic stuff, and I done the messy stuff.

    It was a hard days work for a few quid.

    How the hell can that be considered an internship? It's an absolute disgrace. :mad:

    This is the kind of work teenagers would do to earn money. What is the world coming to.Its obvious that the government dont know how this scheme is being managed.

    If you were doing the landscaping itself that would be fine but doing the mess stuff how they call that a trainee landscaper internship.

    I would urge everyone to take a screen shot or print these ads and include them in a letter or email to local TDs and Richard Bruton. Something has to be done.

    Just looked at this ad. I would think this kind of work would be better suited to the CE Scheme


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    Lisa2011 wrote: »
    This is the kind of work teenagers would do to earn money. What is the world coming to.Its obvious that the government dont know how this scheme is being managed.

    If you were doing the landscaping itself that would be fine but doing the mess stuff how they call that a trainee landscaper internship.

    I would urge everyone to take a screen shot or print these ads and include them in a letter or email to local TDs and Richard Bruton. Something has to be done.

    Just looked at this ad. I would think this kind of work would be better suited to the CE Scheme

    You can go to ad after ad and say similar things.

    They are eliminating low skilled jobs by allowing them on this. Who is going to take on a low skilled worker and pay them a weeks wage, when they can get one for free.

    It's bloody infuriating!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 444 Lisa2011
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    You can go to ad after ad and say similar things.

    They are eliminating low skilled jobs by allowing them on this. Who is going to take on a low skilled worker and pay them a weeks wage, when they can get one for free.

    It's bloody infuriating!

    It sure is infuriating and whoever came up with this scheme doesn't have two Brain cells to rub together


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,126 kadman
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    The scheme is working exactly as it was meant to. It was never designed for your benefit, it was designed to improve business,s bottom line. Your needs are not even up for consideration. Thats why the IMF had a large say in the new schemes for creating labour initiatives.

    It gives business,s and large corporations the opportunity to exploit the less well off in society, and recruit them as slaves.

    It happened in the early eighties , as the manpower scheme. And people were exploited then by employers, as well as now. It will only get worse, and the exploitation will continue.

    You are now the new generations of serfs. Welcome to serfdom.

    kadman


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 floorpie
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    What was the manpower scheme? I've never heard of it


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,126 kadman
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    floorpie wrote: »
    What was the manpower scheme? I've never heard of it

    It was the original version of the fas scheme, of years gone by. It was well open to abuse, by people involved in running the scheme. Probably an early version of the BTW scheme, and start your own business scheme as well.

    It was a way to get you off the register, and hey presto the unemployment figures came down. I know about them because I was on one in the early eighties.

    kadman


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 floorpie
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    kadman wrote: »
    It was the original version of the fas scheme, of years gone by. It was well open to abuse, by people involved in running the scheme. Probably an early version of the BTW scheme, and start your own business scheme as well.

    It was a way to get you off the register, and hey presto the unemployment figures came down. I know about them because I was on one in the early eighties.

    kadman

    And what type of work would it involve, and what did the employee get? I.e. was it, say, office work where the employee gets a nominal payment or what? I find the whole JobBridge/WPP thing even more hard to believe now, if they're just repeating very recent history through it...


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    kadman wrote: »
    It was the original version of the fas scheme, of years gone by. It was well open to abuse, by people involved in running the scheme. Probably an early version of the BTW scheme, and start your own business scheme as well.

    It was a way to get you off the register, and hey presto the unemployment figures came down. I know about them because I was on one in the early eighties.

    kadman


    Same here :mad:.
    And I'll say it again - there's no strongarm tactics being employed yet but just wait a few months down the line...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 floorpie
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    gambiaman wrote: »
    Same here :mad:.
    And I'll say it again - there's no strongarm tactics being employed yet but just wait a few months down the line...

    Can you describe your experiences too? I'm very surprised that this type of thing happened already, and so recently.


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    floorpie wrote: »
    And what type of work would it involve, and what did the employee get? I.e. was it, say, office work where the employee gets a nominal payment or what? I find the whole JobBridge/WPP thing even more hard to believe now, if they're just repeating very recent history through it...

    All and everything - exactly the type of paying jobs that are being reduced to cheap/slave labour non-paying jobs now.
    You were placed to learn some new skill/job and were left sweeping dust.
    Then just as now, no oversight, no thought and a pig to try to get your voice heard if you were being abused and used.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,126 kadman
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    gambiaman wrote: »
    Same here :mad:.
    And I'll say it again - there's no strongarm tactics being employed yet but just wait a few months down the line...

    Strong arm tactics are in force today.

    I saw a letter that offered an opportunity for an interview for a tus scheme.

    With the proviso that if you declined the interview, then your payments are subject to review or removal.

    You keep your dole payments + 20 euro.

    Sounds like enforced slavery to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 floorpie
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    gambiaman wrote: »
    All and everything - exactly the type of paying jobs that are being reduced to cheap/slave labour non-paying jobs now.
    You were placed to learn some new skill/job and were left sweeping dust.
    Then just as now, no oversight, no thought and a pig to try to get your voice heard if you were being abused and used.

    And would this have been before/after/during the increasing emigration? As in, were things already screwed beyond repair or did it mess things up further do you think?

    (i was only born in 83 so i barely remember anything before 86)


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    floorpie wrote: »
    Can you describe your experiences too? I'm very surprised that this type of thing happened already, and so recently.

    A young LC school leaver, straight into the middle of the last big recession told this is it, here you go, a 'job'. A distribution business, went in to learn the ropes came out months later knowing how to sweep dust and that was all.
    No-one wanted to know and I was too scared ****less in case the paltry assistance I was getting would be cut off.
    Well, that won't happen to me again.

    Now, there have been some success stories posted on here from people who actually got what could be realistically termed an internship but the bulk are as above.


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    floorpie wrote: »
    And would this have been before/after/during the increasing emigration? As in, were things already screwed beyond repair or did it mess things up further do you think?

    (i was only born in 83 so i barely remember anything before 86)


    1984. Pretty much the first half of the recession.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,126 kadman
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    floorpie wrote: »
    And what type of work would it involve, and what did the employee get? I.e. was it, say, office work where the employee gets a nominal payment or what? I find the whole JobBridge/WPP thing even more hard to believe now, if they're just repeating very recent history through it...

    I was encouraged and advised to get a bank loan to start a business, by my mentor. I never got any other business advice.

    This tied me in to a loan that I could not afford, and took 1/3 of my £50 weekly payment. And it left myself and my wife to survive on a pittance.

    And to top it all, I was asked by said mentor to quote a reduced rate for work for him, and the bank manager.:mad:

    And local grants given to local development agencies by fas, were with held from small start up business folk, that should have got them.:mad:

    Dont get me started on local community schemes. Same gangsters in control now, that were there in the eighties.

    kadman


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 floorpie
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    kadman wrote: »
    Strong arm tactics are in force today.

    I saw a letter that offered an opportunity for an interview for a tus scheme.

    With the proviso that if you declined the interview, then your payments are subject to review or removal.

    You keep your dole payments + 20 euro.

    Sounds like enforced slavery to me.

    God don't start me on TUS. That genuinely feels like enforced emigration to me. I wrote a big angry post about it after i was conscripted.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74772169&postcount=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 floorpie
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    kadman wrote: »
    I was encouraged and advised to get a bank loan to start a business, by my mentor. I never got any other business advice.

    This tied me in to a loan that I could not afford, and took 1/3 of my £50 weekly payment. And it left myself and my wife to survive on a pittance.

    And to top it all, I was asked by said mentor to quote a reduced rate for work for him, and the bank manager.:mad:

    And local grants given to local development agencies by fas, were with held from small start up business folk, that should have got them.:mad:

    Dont get me started on local community schemes. Same gangsters in control now, that were there in the eighties.

    kadman

    That's mad, they tried to advise me about setting a business up, in my local employment office (unrelated to FAS). I amn't a business man or anything, i'm just a graduate that wants a job :S


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 AnnyHallsal
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    floorpie wrote: »
    God don't start me on TUS. That genuinely feels like enforced emigration to me. I wrote a big angry post about it after i was conscripted.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74772169&postcount=20

    That's dreadful. I think you highlight an important factor in that post - the attitude of the employed, who hear legitimate criticism of how JobBridge is hindering employment as "whinging" from the unemployed.


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    That's dreadful. I think you highlight an important factor in that post - the attitude of the employed, who hear legitimate criticism of how JobBridge is hindering employment as "whinging" from the unemployed.

    Yeah...i don't think the schemes could exist if the general population regarded them as unacceptable.


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