iphone 5

Einstein

With the iPad2 announced yesterday, can we expect the iPhone5 for June/July announcement?

Or are the rumours of product manufacturing true, and it's been postponed until September....

Some say the 4G will be held off until 2012 since 4G isn't exactly everywhere just yet...

Thoughts?

Mr Velo

4G??? 3G isn't even available everywhere yet....

Basq

Apple have the Moscone West Convention Centre reserved from June 5th to June 9th for a keynote...

.. all I'm saying!

Mr Velo

Basq wrote: »

Apple have the Moscone West Convention Centre reserved from June 5th to June 9th for a keynote...

.. all I'm saying!

BOOM!!

jamesd

Ah no not an iphone 5 thread that will last until its released.

Einstein

jamesd wrote: »

Ah no not an iphone 5 thread that will last until its released.

followed by an iPad 3 thread...followed by iPhone 6 thread...followed my Ipad Mini thread...:p

bluemachaveli

The next event should be in a couple of weeks for the IOS dev preview.

Then June for the iPhone 5 followed by probably a July release here!

Then the scramble begins!

gbee

or anything like that.

The iPhone has matured, has a lot of decent competition now so it's likely this release will go totally unnoticed.

Hogzy

It will probably be an iPhone 4S. It will probably just get the A5 Duel Core chip and a better camera and thats probably it

Basq

Hogzy wrote: »

It will probably be an iPhone 4S. It will probably just get the A5 Duel Core chip and a better camera and thats probably it

Yep, agreed.

To be honest, there is the obvious omissions that after so many iterations of the iPhone will probably never come.

FM radio, mass storage mode, custom sound profiles etc.

godtabh

Basq wrote: »

Yep, agreed.

To be honest, there is the obvious omissions that after so many iterations of the iPhone will probably never come.

FM radio, mass storage mode, custom sound profiles etc.

all that needs is a change in mindset from apple.

I'm not going to hold my breath!

Squeeonline

godtabh wrote: »

all that needs is a change in mindset from apple.

I'm not going to hold my breath!

I suppose external microSD memory cards would be too much to ask and would cut too deeply into apples profits on the higher memory versions.

Einstein

godtabh wrote: »

all that needs is a change in mindset from apple.

I'm not going to hold my breath!

Indeed!
I was very open to Android, played around with a friend of mines a good bit the other day, and still preferre the iPhone!

Have the 3Gs atm, skipped 4 to hold out for 5...The better CPU would be good, but I'd be worried about the toll that might take on the battery!

godtabh

I had the Hero for about 4 months. Didnt like it at all.

Got the iphone 4 when it was announced so was delighted with it. Would I like things like SD slots and what not of course I would but I can live without them

Bonavox

Basq wrote: »

Apple have the Moscone West Convention Centre reserved from June 5th to June 9th for a keynote...

.. all I'm saying!

For WWDC, which is probably when it'll be announced going by Apple's iPhone release pattern.

tigershould

so Apple never announced a new iphone hardware model at the WWDC yesterday (the so called "iphone v" or 5 or 4s or whatever you wanna call it).

is it safe to say that the current iphone 4 will be the same hardware to take us to June 2012 ?

is this not unusual for Apple's normal product cycle (ie releasing a new hardware model every year) ?

copacetic

Wasnt expected to happen yesterday, expected to be announced in september

Sad Professor

Yeah, it will be out in September. Probably at the same time as iOS 5. This was pretty well flagged before yesterday's keynote.

tigershould

Thx, I must've missed that - the last two iPhone releases were announced at wwdc

Interesting article here about a possible change in strategy...

http://m.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2011/jun/07/iphone-5-4g-steve-jobs-wwdc?cat=technology&type=article

curly.bert

There was no expectation of a new iPhone at this year's WWDC. Lots of Internet rumour that there'll be a 4GS in September .... but don't bet on it.

Apple have consistently said mobile devices are not about hardware, but software. The iPhone 4 is still a savage phone. iOS 5 adds some very nice new features (e.g. iCloud) and some others that are overdue (e.g. Notifications).

My gut feeling tells me that there won't be a significant refresh this year (possibly a quiet spec upgrade in September) but that WWDC 2012 will bring us the major hardware developments.

If a friend asked me to recommend a smartphone to buy today, I'd still say the iPhone 4, even though the Galaxy S II is very nice. Android doesn't match iOS yet for features or ease of use .... yet. Won't always be the case though.

Fbjm

I hope one comes out in December, I'm really saving up for it. No matter if it's exactly the same, I'll get it just to have the new model.

REASON: my current iPhone (3Gs) has a very cracked screen and works for roughly five minutes a day. I want a new iPhone. HOWEVER the reason I'm not running out and getting myself an iPhone 4 is because I fear that the second I save up enough and buy one the iPhone five will come out. Which would be like a big "f*ck you" from Apple.

curly.bert

Well there won't be one until at least September or even next year. One thing I've learned with technology is that there's always something better around the corner - but you're better off buying the best kit you can at the time you need it.

Trotter

I wonder will the 4S / Autumn release have a fix for the antenna problem..

whiterebel

Trotter wrote: »

I wonder will the 4S / Autumn release have a fix for the antenna problem..

Which one would that be?

Trotter

whiterebel wrote: »

Which one would that be?

iPhone 4 antenna problem

whiterebel

Trotter wrote: »

iPhone 4 antenna problem

From 12 months ago......in the US. Do you have an iPhone as a matter of interest?

Owen

No iPhone 4 antenna problems here, and had mine the day of the Irish launch. IMHO, the next phone will likely still be called a 4 - they're not going to deviate too much from the current form factor for the next handset according to reports from the likes of Apple Insider who's usually on the money. Camera's supposed to go to an 8 MB full 1080p setup according to the current manufacturer of the iPhone's sensor. A5 processor is likely too.

I'd like to see a new implementation of Bluetooth, and a Nano with Bluetooth too, so we could have a proper Nano watch which tells you who's calling when you're phone's in your pocket at a meeting and it's on silent, or allow you to read texts/emails discreetly.

Trotter

whiterebel wrote: »

From 12 months ago......in the US. Do you have an iPhone as a matter of interest?

Yes. Ive a 3GS and Ive 3 family members here with the free case/bumper that Apple gave to fix the problem of the way you hold the phone reducing the signal.

drunkmonkey

Fbjm wrote: »

I hope one comes out in December, I'm really saving up for it. No matter if it's exactly the same, I'll get it just to have the new model.

REASON: my current iPhone (3Gs) has a very cracked screen and works for roughly five minutes a day. I want a new iPhone. HOWEVER the reason I'm not running out and getting myself an iPhone 4 is because I fear that the second I save up enough and buy one the iPhone five will come out. Which would be like a big "f*ck you" from Apple.

You can fix that for about €20 euro if you've got access to eBay and a hair dryer.

whiterebel

Trotter wrote: »

Yes. Ive a 3GS and Ive 3 family members here with the free case/bumper that Apple gave to fix the problem of the way you hold the phone reducing the signal.

I got one too......because it was free.:eek:
No matter what way I hold the phone I can't replicate the problem. I think you'll find it was attributed to problems with the AT&T masts in the US. Even though they stopped giving out the free bumpers months ago, there doesn't seem to be any reports of the problem since, despite no redesign of the phone.

jonseyblub

whiterebel wrote: »

I got one too......because it was free.:eek:
No matter what way I hold the phone I can't replicate the problem. I think you'll find it was attributed to problems with the AT&T masts in the US. Even though they stopped giving out the free bumpers months ago, there doesn't seem to be any reports of the problem since, despite no redesign of the phone.

Definitely was/is a problem here. Doesn't affect me at all as I'm right handed but when the OH uses it she drops calls all the time as she is left handed. I bought mine back last August so was one of the earlier versions.

Sad Professor

I think they may have fixed or significantly lessened the weak spot on the lower left side of the phone, but the death-grip thing was a non-issue to begin with.

whiterebel

jonseyblub wrote: »

Definitely was/is a problem here. Doesn't affect me at all as I'm right handed but when the OH uses it she drops calls all the time as she is left handed. I bought mine back last August so was one of the earlier versions.

I've mine since launch, and use it left and right handed and can't replicate it.

jonseyblub

whiterebel wrote: »

I've mine since launch, and use it left and right handed and can't replicate it.

I don't know. Honestly still happens with mine. As I said not a problem for me but is there.

Johnmb

PaintDoctor wrote: »

No iPhone 4 antenna problems here, and had mine the day of the Irish launch. IMHO, the next phone will likely still be called a 4 - they're not going to deviate too much from the current form factor for the next handset according to reports from the likes of Apple Insider who's usually on the money. Camera's supposed to go to an 8 MB full 1080p setup according to the current manufacturer of the iPhone's sensor. A5 processor is likely too.

If they do this, then it will be an iPhone 5, and there's no way anyone can claim otherwise (no "it's only a 4S" b/s). The processor is a much more important part than the form factor is. If they can fit an A5 into the current design, then it will be a major bump from the existing iPhone 4. If they use the existing A4 in an all new fancy case, then there is no bump, and it's basically the same phone, with some cosmetic changes.

Owen

I don't agree. We had a significant processer speed increase between the 3g and the 3gs, which kept the same form factor. Same formfactor = same name + additional identifier (4s, 4gs ...). People are generally clueless about the latest tech, and if both phones look the same but have different internals joe public's going to assume they're the same model.

Johnmb

PaintDoctor wrote: »

I don't agree. We had a significant processer speed increase between the 3g and the 3gs, which kept the same form factor. Same formfactor = same name + additional identifier (4s, 4gs ...). People are generally clueless about the latest tech, and if both phones look the same but have different internals joe public's going to assume they're the same model.

You completely missed the point of the name change if that is what you think. They called the second iPhone the iPhone 3G to draw attention to the fact that, unlike the first one, it could use 3G data speeds. They called the third one the 3GS, not because it looked the same, but because what else were they going to call it? The iPhone 3 would be confusing. So they added a letter instead. That got them back on track with the model numbers. The choice of name had nothing to do with the form factor.

Although I do think Apple will take this opportunity to change their naming conventions altogether. The iPhone 5 will be given a name that moves away from numbers, at least until the 10th generation, I would imagine.

tigershould

@PaintDoctor - would love to see the Nano watch on my wrist controlling the iphone in my pocket - its the future !

@Johnmb - an increase in processor speed will not warrant a "5" tag - the iphone 3G went to 3GS because of the "S" for Speed improvements. i beleive only a change in form factor will make APple change to "5" and i doubt they will make a dramatic change in their next release (ie only internal tweaks).

regardless of our thoughts on what the next iphone will be, its interesting that Apple have actually changed their schedule for releasing iphones (all previous versions were released in Jun/Jul).

we are now waiting til Sep - which means Ireland wont see it until Xmas !

or APple may skip a hardware upgrade this year

Oafley Jones

tigershould wrote: »

@PaintDoctor - would love to see the Nano watch on my wrist controlling the iphone in my pocket - its the future !

@Johnmb - an increase in processor speed will not warrant a "5" tag - the iphone 3G went to 3GS because of the "S" for Speed improvements. i beleive only a change in form factor will make APple change to "5" and i doubt they will make a dramatic change in their next release (ie only internal tweaks).

regardless of our thoughts on what the next iphone will be, its interesting that Apple have actually changed their schedule for releasing iphones (all previous versions were released in Jun/Jul).

we are now waiting til Sep - which means Ireland wont see it until Xmas !

or APple may skip a hardware upgrade this year

Don't understand the logic some people are using to justify the naming convention 4s. The 3GS is was named to separate it from the 3G. It's not like they could call it the iPhone 3. It had to be an obvious progression for marketting. Why would you call he fifth model the iPhone 4s. To do so only introduces unnecessary confusion down the line.. Does the sixth iPhone become the iPhone 5? It's much more likely that it's either the 5 or simply just iPhone.

There's no chance that apple will skip a hardware rev and it's not going to take 3 months to find it's way on sale here if announced in September.

Edit just read johnmb post - the downside of reading these things on iphone I'm almost word for word in agreement.

Sad Professor

The advantage of calling it the iPhone 4S is that they don't have the pressure of having to live up it being the "iPhone 5". This would allow them to only have to do a major iPhone upgrade every 2 years instead of every 12 months.

However, as already pointed out, there has been progressive improvements with every iPhone model, and with the next generation likely to have a larger screen, there's no reason not to play this up. So I suspect it probably will be called the iPhone 5, if for no other reason than to keep in step with iOS 5. But I agree with Johnmb that Apple will move away from this numbering convention eventually.

Anyway, I'll be very surprised if there isn't an new iPhone come September, early October at the absolute latest. Apple do a lot of controlled leaks and all the rumours leading up WWDC said new iPhone in September.

Oafley Jones

Sad Professor wrote: »

The advantage of calling it the iPhone 4S is that they don't have the pressure of having to live up it being the "iPhone 5". This would allow them to only have to do a major iPhone upgrade every 2 years instead of every 12 months.

I don't understand where you're coming from with this idea of living up to expectations. The naming convention on iPhone is purely about communicating to the customer in the simplest terms which is the newest model and which is old hat. Remember that they do want to sell these things to current iphone 4 owners. An increase in number further reinforces the notion of obsolesce in what's gone before and that's especially important if the hardwares appearance isn't that much different.

Tea 1000

jonseyblub wrote: »

I don't know. Honestly still happens with mine. As I said not a problem for me but is there.

I'm on my second iPhone 4, and both have had that issue, wireless signal also affected with a certain grip on both.

whiterebel

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I don't understand where you're coming from with this idea of living up to expectations. The naming convention on iPhone is purely about communicating to the customer in the simplest terms which is the newest model and which is old hat. Remember that they do want to sell these things to current iphone 4 owners. An increase in number further reinforces the notion of obsolesce in what's gone before and that's especially important if the hardwares appearance isn't that much different.

Not with the policies of most carriers now seeming to be 18-24 month contracts which means iPhone 4 early adopters won't be in a position to go for the next iPhone at launch.....

Sad Professor

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I don't understand where you're coming from with this idea of living up to expectations. The naming convention on iPhone is purely about communicating to the customer in the simplest terms which is the newest model and which is old hat.

And calling it the iPhone 4S will do that as well.

Remember that they do want to sell these things to current iphone 4 owners. An increase in number further reinforces the notion of obsolesce in what's gone before and that's especially important if the hardwares appearance isn't that much different.

They can't just keep increasing the number of every generation iPhone. If they do we'll be on "iPhone 10" in 5 years time. But you are right, they still have to have some way to differentiate between newer and older models. So they'll either have to slow down the numbering (by having every second iPhone be the "S" version of the previous one), or come up with a new naming convention in a few years time as Johnmb suggested. Either way, they can't expect people to buy a new iPhone every year and sell it as the best, most magical thing ever, especially when people have contracts that run a great deal longer.

Apple clearly differentiate between major and minor Mac upgrades, why wouldn't they do the same for the iPhone? They don't call the tech press every time they bump the specs on a Macbook, and as this year's WWDC reflected, they can't do the same with the iPhone either, so they focused on software instead. They didn't change the form factor between the 3G and 3GS, and from the sounds of it, the next gen iPhone is going to remain largely unchanged from the 4 as well. The number isn't just what generation the phone is, it's also part of the name and contributes to people's expectations. When customers saw "iPhone 4" and the new form factor they expected a significant upgrade over the previous two iPhones.

Deep Thought

Tea 1000 wrote: »

I'm on my second iPhone 4, and both have had that issue, wireless signal also affected with a certain grip on both.

What Network are you on

VF are having issues with calls being terminated on the iPhone 4

they are in discussions with Apple as it may be a firware update issue.

Oafley Jones

Sad Professor wrote: »

And calling it the iPhone 4S will do that as well.

I open a store and have a huge sign outside that says free iPhones one per person. Inside I have a counter with two iPhones identical in every way except one has 4s and the other has 5 written on it. Which do you think will be more popular. The answer is the same reason MS didn't want the xbox 2 to be sold alongside the Playstation three. The argument here for 4s seem to centre on the fact that it's an incremental update and not deserving of the number 5 and that argument is ludicrous to me. What company wants to signal that their new product is just a minor update. As said above I wouldn't be surprised if they just call it iPhone after a while.

I'll comment later on why I think that it's incorrect to compare strategies of laptop and phones sales as the iPhone screen is doing my head in.

tigershould

@oafley jones - and if you saw two phones that looked identical and one was called the 4 and one was called the 4s - which would you choose ?

my personal opinion is that unless Apple make a fundemental change to the way the iphone looks physically (ie from 2g to 3g or from 3gs to 4) they wont go to "5"

anyhoo, its all conjecture,

i'd go all roman numeral with "IPHONE V" so when we get to IPHONE 10 it will be "IPHONE X"

Oafley Jones

tigershould wrote: »

@oafley jones - and if you saw two phones that looked identical and one was called the 4 and one was called the 4s - which would you choose ?

I'd of course choose the 4s. But I know people - such my parents - who i wouldn't bet that'd make out there was much distinction. Again a numerical increase is far clearer an indication of lineage than anything else. Why muddy the issue? As I've said before there's no upside in calling it the 4s. Roman numerals would be a disaster as well as regards clarity and in Asia etc.

Dont be at yourself

I reckon they'll eventually just start calling it "iPhone". They don't talk about "Macbook Air 2", "iMac 4" or "AppleTV 2".

Sad Professor

Oafley Jones wrote: »

I open a store and have a huge sign outside that says free iPhones one per person. Inside I have a counter with two iPhones identical in every way except one has 4s and the other has 5 written on it. Which do you think will be more popular. The answer is the same reason MS didn't want the xbox 2 to be sold alongside the Playstation three.

In fairness now, that's a terrible example of the point you are trying to make. There was a several year gap between the release of the PS2/Xbox and the PS3/360. Where as Apple will likely be releasing a new iPhone every 12 months or so for the foreseeable future. And the reason MS didn't want to call it the Xbox 2 was because they didn't want it to seem inferior to Sony's new console. This isn't relevant to Apple using a number/letter to differentiate between different generations of their own phone because Apple aren't competing with themselves. If it was relevant, they wouldn't have called the 3GS the "3GS" out of fear that people would think it was a minor update.

My point is that Apple cannot make every update to the iPhone be the same fantastic, magical update that the iPhone 4 was made out to be. This isn't just about technology, it's about what they happen to be focusing on each year. This year they are focusing on software. They'll make a big deal out of the next iPhone no matter what it's called, but they can do that just as easily with "4S" as they can with 5. Calling it the 4S doesn't mean it's a minor update, it just means 5 will be a bigger one.

And yes, they probably will take to calling it just the "iPhone" eventually, but not for a while imo. In the meantime, they may use "S" to differentiate between major updates/redesigns.

Anyway, I really don't care what's it called tbh. I actually agreed in my earlier post that it will probably be called the iPhone 5. But I can also see why they might decide to go with 4S.

Oafley Jones

Sad Professor wrote: »

In fairness now, that's a terrible example of the point you are trying to make. There was a several year gap between the release of the PS2/Xbox and the PS3/360. Where as Apple will likely be releasing a new iPhone every 12 months or so for the foreseeable future. And the reason MS didn't want to call it the Xbox 2 was because they didn't want it to seem inferior to Sony's new console.

This was precisely my point and you agree.

Sad Professor wrote: »

This isn't relevant to Apple using a number/letter to differentiate between different generations of their own phone because Apple aren't competing with themselves. If it was relevant, they wouldn't have called the 3GS the "3GS" out of fear that people would think it was a minor update.

What do you propose they called it? They were trapped by the iPhone 3G name. They couldn’t call it the iPhone 3 for obvious reasons?* Simply iPhone would have led to confusion given the first model and similarity. The name 3GS was a fairly logical choice at this point in time. It’s not like they burdened by the name of the previous model now.

Sad Professor wrote: »

My point is that Apple cannot make every update to the iPhone be the same fantastic, magical update that the iPhone 4 was made out to be. This isn't just about technology, it's about what they happen to be focusing on each year. This year they are focusing on software. They'll make a big deal out of the next iPhone no matter what it's called, but they can do that just as easily with "4S" as they can with 5. Calling it the 4S doesn't mean it's a minor update, it just means 5 will be a bigger one.
And yes, they probably will take to calling it just the "iPhone" eventually, but not for a while imo. In the meantime, they may use "S" to differentiate between major updates/redesigns.

Again, here you are again signalling to potential customers that the next iPhone is just a minor update. Why would any company do this?* Apple are a hardware company.* Every new phone should be a major update as far as their marketing is concerned.... “introducing the iPhone 4S, it’s not as awesome as the phone we’ve got in the labs.* Why not wait till the real iPhone5?”

Sad Professor wrote: »

Anyway, I really don't care what's it called tbh. I actually agreed in my earlier post that it will probably be called the iPhone 5. But I can also see why they might decide to go with 4S.

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