wwe over the limit aftermath/results *spoilers!*

CMpunked

An "In Memory Of" graphic noted the death of Randy "Macho Man" Savage to open the show...

"The Truth shall set you free," was played over the arena sound system. R-Truth came out to no music. He went to the ring and complained about not having a parking spot. He bitched that he had to park with the fans and said he deserved better than him. He called the Seattle fans "stank-filled hippies."

Truth said the fans are trying to make him crazy now that he's not playing their games anymore. He said Rey Mysterio plays games, and said Rey wants to slide in on his spot. Truth said he's taking Rey's spot and anyone else's spot that he wants to take. He closed it off with his "whole truth" catchphrase...

1. R-Truth beat Rey Mysterio in 8:10. Truth worked over Mysterio during the opening minutes. Cole bickered with Lawler and the announcing was intolerable enough that it was easy to zone them out completely. Mysterio came back with a bulldog off the ropes and caught Truth with a good kick to the head for a near fall.

Truth came back with a Lie Detector elbow for a good near fall of his own. Truth went for his finisher, but Mysterio countered with a huracanrana that put Truth in position for a 619, but he rolled out of the ring. Truth ended up pulling Rey outside and crotching him on the ring apron.

A "You suck" chant broke out as Truth continued his assault on Mysterio. King said it looked like the match was over even though they were outside the ring. In a rare moment of an announcer being right about the finish, Truth ended up hitting his finisher and pinning Mysterio in the ring to win the match.

Cole said Truth will have his own parking spot after that win. Afterward, Truth slammed his water bottle on Mysterio's head. Truth heeled it up before leaving the ring...

Backstage, Todd Grisham interviewed The Miz and Alex Riley. Miz spoke about the fans not thinking he has any chance to win the "I Quit" match. He said he's been proving people who feel that way wrong since he started. Miz said he has a plan and he knows exactly what it takes to win. Riley chimed in to say Miz will be the new WWE Champion...

A shot aired of the Farmer's Market and men tossing fish... Cole said he rubbed fish on his feet to prepare for the "I Quit" match... Highlights aired of The Corre vs. Ezekiel Jackson feud...

2. Ezekiel Jackson beat Wade Barrett by DQ in an Intercontinental Title match in 7:25. Barrett flew solo in that he was not accompanied to ringside by his stablemates. Late in the match, Zeke bodyslammed Barrett five times. He had him up in a Torture Rack, but Heath Slater and Justin Gabriel hit the ring and attacked him for the DQ. Zeke fought them off initially, but Barrett caught him with a punch and The Corre beat down their former ally...

A WrestleMania 27 video ad aired...

Backstage, C.M. Punk and Mason Ryan were talking as they entered their locker room. They found David Otunga and Michael McGillicutty laid out. Ryan flipped. Punk said it's a good thing because it proves that he's gotten under the skin of Kane and Big Show. Punk told Otunga and McGillicutty to "walk that off." Funny...

3. Sin Cara beat Chavo Guerrero in 7:20. They used the Sin Cara mood lighting. The first few minutes were solid. Sin Cara hit the trampoline entrance and the in-ring work was crisp. However, there was an awkward spot shortly thereafter, as Chavo was seated in the corner. Sin Cara went to run the ropes and then just stopped and pointed at Chavo, so there was likely some miscommunication.

They got back on track and Sin Cara put on a good offensive display. Chavo limped a bit after taking a move at ringside. Chavo worked in a little offense, but Sin Cara usually had a counter. The finish was also awkward, as Sin Cara went for a twisting huracanrana, and Chavo had to do his best to keep him up as he twisted around his body. Chavo landed on his face and Sin Cara got the win...

The latest Be A Star video aired. Bullying is bad just in case you didn't know...

Backstage, Todd Grisham interviewed Christian and Randy Orton. Christian said he was going to take back his World Hvt. Championship and Orton knew it. Orton obviously didn't agree with that assessment...

Ricardo Rodriguez introduced Alberto Del Rio, who drove a 2000 Saturn into the arena. Okay, the car part is a lie. Anyway, Del Rio exited his sweet ride and headed to the ring for a promo. He said he was there to talk about destiny. He also said he found it disgusting that thousands of Canadians were sneaking across the border.

Del Rio said destiny can't be stopped. He said it doesn't matter whether John Cena or The Miz win tonight, because his destiny is to become the WWE Champion. Del Rio's promo was cut off by the entrance music of Kane and Big Show. Del Rio remained in the ring as the tag champs entered.

Kane said he's already angry that The Rapture didn't come yesterday, which got a lot of laughs. "I was looking forward to it," Kane said. He said Del Rio better leave the ring now or his destiny is to end up just like McGillicutty and Otunga. Del Rio complied by backing away and leaving ringside...

4. Kane and Big Show beat C.M. Punk and Mason Ryan to retain the WWE Tag Titles in 9:05. Punk was going to start the match, but he tagged in Ryan to face Kane instead. Punk has "Macho" written on his wrist tape. Punk demanded to tag in once Ryan got the upper hand, but he tagged out again quickly once he couldn't maintain control.

Punk ended up back in the ring and was worked over by Show and Kane. At 4:20, Kane hoisted up Punk for the chokeslam. Ryan distracted the referee, and Punk kicked Kane low to break it up. Punk, who had worked in a couple of Randy Savage mannerisms during the match, missed a top rope elbow, which allowed Kane to make a hot tag to Show.

Big Show grabbed Ryan by the throat and then caught Punk in the same position coming off the ropes, but they kicked him. He came back with a double clothesline. Kane and Show teamed up to chokeslam Ryan, and Show got the pin to win the match for his team...

The announcers set up a "what if" President Obama had a press conference about the Capitol Punishment pay-per-view. They ripped off the Coors beer commercials by having fake questions with real Obama clips...

5. Brie Bella (w/Nikki Bella) defeated Kelly Kelly to retain the WWE Divas Championship in 4:00. Little Guido was the referee. Kelly hit a cross body block off the top early, but then Brie went on the offensive and Kelly yelled a lot. Kelly's screaming as she sold was more noise than the thousands of fans in attendance were making combined.

Kelly made a brief comeback, but Guido pushed her away because Brie was on the ropes. The Bellas did the Twin Magic bit, and Nikkie dominated Kelly and scored the quick pin to win the match for her sister...

Michael Cole said he had to go get ready for his match... A video recapped the Randy Orton vs. Christian drama...

6. Randy Orton defeated Christian to retain the World Hvt. Championship in 16:50. Tony Chimel handled the in-ring introductions for the championship match. Scott Armstrong was the referee. There were dueling chants for the two wrestlers early. Christian went on the offensive, but Orton came back with a great dropkick. Christian hit a great spinebuster.

Around 12:00, Christian went to the ropes and Orton was waiting with the RKO, which his how their previous match concluded. However, Christian didn't jump off. Christian scored an excellent near fall. Orton timed it well by kicking out forcefully at the last possible moment.

At 14:00, Christian pushed off an RKO attempt. Christian started saying "spear" repeatedly. He went to the corner in Edge style and ran at Orton when he stood up, but Orton powerslammed him for another really good near fall.

At 15:25, Orton backed up for the punt kick and received a mix of cheers and boos. He acted conflicted and stopped. He backed up and then really went for the kick, but Christian recovered and speared Orton for another excellent near fall. Christian went for his finisher, but Orton spun out of it and eventually hit the RKO for the win.

After Orton finished posing, they showed a shot of a dejected Christian on the mat. Orton went to leave the ring, but stopped and went back to help Christian get to his feet. Christian shoved him away and started to leave. "Come on," Orton mouthed. Christian stopped and eventually shook hands with Orton. Christian left the ring and flashed excellent facials while trying to sell his frustration...

A video set up the Jerry Lawler vs. Michael Cole match...

Justin Roberts introduced the "Kiss My Foot" match and paused as if he expected the fans to react. They gave the same non-reaction that the Divas get, but they woke up for Jerry Lawler's entrance and chanted "Jerry." Michael Cole limped out wearing his suit with his wrestling shoes.

Once in the ring, Cole took the mic and used a somber voice to ask for the attention of the fans. "As much as I would like to compete tonight, unfortunately I am medically prohibited," Cole said. He asked for understanding and compassion from Lawler and the fans.

Cole said there's nothing he'd rather do than stick his foot in Lawler's mouth, but his doctor won't let him because his athlete's foot is so infected that Lawler could contract hoof and mouth disease. Cole handed the referee his doctor's note, but the referee tore it up and called for the bell...

7. Jerry Lawler beat Michael Cole in a Kiss My Foot match in 3:00. Lawler went to work on Cole and tore his suit pants quickly. Cole ended up at ringside begging, but ended up pulling Lawler into the steps to go on the offensive. Cole removed his shoe and sock and showed off his "infected" foot and told Lawler to kiss it.

The King whipped Cole through the Cole Mine. Lawler rolled Cole back inside the ring and hit a second rope fist drop. Lawler covered Cole and scored the pin. After the match, Lawler started to remove his boot, but stopped and motioned for someone to come from the back.

Eve's music played and the crowd erupted. Actually, they offered no reaction whatsoever. Eve did get a decent reaction when she went to the top rope and moonsaulted Cole. The fans chanted "Jerry" as he removed his boot. Lawler motioned for someone else to come out.

Jim Ross's music played and the fans popped. Ross walked to the ring wearing a suit and his hat. Ross got a strong reaction from the crowd. He pulled out a bottle of his BBQ sauce, unscrewed the top, and poured it onto Cole's chest and then onto his face and into his mouth. Ross and Lawler high-fived.

Lawler took his sock off, but Cole rolled out of the ring and started walking to the back. "Not like this," Cole said. "No." Cole got to the top of the ramp and said over the mic that while it may look like he lost, he's not a loser. He said Lawler is a loser, and Ross is an even bigger loser. Cole said he'll never kiss Lawler's foot.

Bret Hart's music played and he walked onto the stage. Hart walked as Cole backed his way down to the ring. Once in the ring, Hart applied the Sharpshooter, and Lawler stuck his foot in Cole's face, and his toe in Cole's mouth. Bret and Lawler hugged while a BBQ sauce covered Cole gagged in the ring. Ross joined the announcers, presumably to do commentary for the main event. Thank God!...

A video focussed on John Cena and The Miz to set up the main event...

8. John Cena beat The Miz (w/Alex Riley) in an "I Quit" match to retain the WWE Championship in 26:30. The bell rang and Miz immediately took the mic. He said he can do whatever he wants to Cena because of the rules and said so could Riley, who entered the ring and took his shirt off. Miz told Cena he should just save himself the pain and quit now. "Hell no," Cena said over the mic.

The match turned into a handicap match with Miz and Riley both in the ring. Cena dominated the early offense on both men. He hit the Five Knuckle Shuffle on Miz and went for the Attitude Adjustment at 3:10. Miz avoided the AA, and hit the Reality Check. Riley brought the briefcase inside the ring and hit Cena with it repeatedly.

Ross and Mathews noted that Cena came up with the stipulation, but said he wasn't prepared for a handicap match. At 4:40, the ref asked the fallen Cena if he wanted to quit, but he declined. Miz and Riley threw Cena to ringside and went after him. Miz and Riley tore apart the announcers' table and slammed monitors into his head. Oddly enough, the only thing left on the table was Ross's bottle of BBQ sauce.

The heels continued to work over Cena and had him lying on the bottom part of the torn apart ring steps. He still refused to quit. Riley picked up the top half of the steps. Miz said Riley would slam the steps into Cena's ribs. "I suggest you quit," Miz said. Cena replied by telling him to go to hell. Riley dropped the steps onto Cena, who still refused to quit.

With Cena standing on the floor, Riley stood in the ring and held Cena's arms up. Miz pulled out a kendo stick and gave Cena a chance to quit. "You hit like a girl," Cena responded. Miz nailed him with a couple of shots to the abdomen that left marks. Cena still refused to quit, so Miz struck him repeatedly with the kendo stick. He still wouldn't quit.

The cameras focussed on Cena's chest and stomach as he was lying on the floor. He was covered in welts from the kendo stick, but he still refused to quit. Miz and Riley took him up to the ramp and threw him down. They suplexed him on the stage and Cena screamed out in pain like Kelly Kelly taking a basic move.

Miz kicked Cena off the stage and he had a short fall. He once again declined to quit when the ref put the mic in his face. Miz and Riley pulled the camera crane down. Riley held Cena over the crane. Miz ordered a production crew member to give up his belt. Miz told Cena he'd hit him with it repeatedly. "You have a leather strap but you have no nuts," Cena said.

Miz whipped Cena with the belt. Cena screamed out in pain, but then yelled "no" each time Miz hit him with the belt. The ref asked Cena if he wanted to quit. Cena paused, but eventually said no. Booker said he didn't really know what to say while watching a man take a beating of this magnitude. Here's hoping Booker remains perplexed.

Cena made a brief comeback at ringside at 17:30, but Miz caught him with a chair. Back inside the ring, Miz wound up with a chair, but Cena avoided it. Cena sprang to life and kicked Miz. The ref was bumped when Cena sent Riley into him. Cena went for the AA on Riley, but Miz broke it up with a kick.

With a chair positioned on the ropes, Miz performed the Skull Crushing Finale on the chair. Miz went to ringside and found a few kids. Miz asked the young fans whether they wanted to see Cena quit. "Never," a young boy yelled. Miz told the boy to watch to see what he was doing to Cena. Miz yelled at the fan and said he won't stop until Cena quits. The kid shrugged his shoulders. The Miz told the kid to tell Cena to quit, but the kid refused.

At 22:00, The Miz knelt down and told the fallen Cena that he would stop punishing Cena until he quit. Cena said the kids were smarter than he is. Miz hit Cena with a chairshot that may have hit Cena's head. If so, how about actually telling us what the fine is, WWE?

They teased the Mick Foley vs. Rock finish with a recorded version of Cena saying "I quit." The bell rang and Miz celebrated. Referee Mike Chioda spotted the phone they used as a recording device, listened to it at ringside, and restarted the match. Cena immediately came back to life.

Cena removed his own belt and just when it looked like things were going to take a turn for the erotic, he whipped Miz with the belt. Miz ran up the ramp and Cena followed while lashing him with the belt. They disappeared backstage briefly, but Cena brought him back out and applied the STF on the stage. Miz quickly told the referee that he quit.

Powell's POV: They worked in the expected fan finishes involving young Cena fans and the Foley vs. Rock bit. The false finish didn't do much for me because the recording was clearly taken from a yelling Cena promo and didn't sound the least bit believable. Miz lost something here. He looked ruthless while attacking Cena, but the fact that he and Riley couldn't get the job done, and then he gave up so quickly to the STF made him look weak. Miz is a great talker and it's not like he's going to lose his heat, but will the fans ever see him as a real threat to Cena?

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Lord TSC

7

Look, in the sky! Is it a bird? Is it a plane?

NO! It's...

And they wonder why he gets booed?

Other than the main event, thought it was a decent enough show. Orton vs Christian was a great match imo. My main problem was the show was so predictable

Big Daddy Cool

your forgetting Teamshadowclan, he's booked to be like that, its not his fault :rolleyes:, watching super john selling last night was the 1st time i didnt say to myself thats just ridiculous, instead i just burst out laughing because coupled with his selling, his mannerisms when asked the question if he quit or not was pure comedy gold.

JP Liz V1

7

Del Rio should have attacked Cena after his match, it would have started their feud nicely imo

parker kent

7

The main event was probably the worst booked thing I've seen since my friend "booked" the hostel for us in Manchester a few weeks ago! The crowd were silent for it, no heat whatsoever. They were awesome for the Christian/Randy Orton bout, which helped by being awesome. How anybody could ever put Cena and Orton on par with each other I don't know. Orton is not booked well, but the guy has all the skills a wrestler needs.

Cole/Lawler was the match that should have happened at Mania. Nice to see Bret.

Despite Vince's issues with Macho Man, there simply should have been more than just the pre-show dedication to him. Maybe they'll right that wrong on Raw. Doubt it.

GTR63

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Del Rio should have attacked Cena after his match, it would have started their feud nicely imo

Imagine what Del Rio armbaring Cena & him tapping out would of done for Del Rio. A very mixed bag of a event no matches except the kayfabe killing main event were badly booked. Sin Cara needs a feud with someone small,quick and talented in the worst of a way.He botched a lot last night again, something that happens more often than not to him on Live broadcast.

Big Daddy Cool

GTR63 wrote: »

Imagine what Del Rio armbaring Cena & him tapping out would of done for Del Rio.

if 2 men cant make him say i quit, del rio's armbar has no chance.

Ridley

7

Gave it a six. Such a slow moving PPV, I couldn't get into it until the WHC match.

-Orton/Christian stole the show by a long mile, and people will still complain about Orton.
-Cena/Miz I liked apart from ending so soon after the match restarted. At least the decision wasn't reversed like their last title match.
-Thought Cole/Lawler went on a little bit too long for my tastes. Glad Eve's issue with Cole wasn't forgotten but I'd rather have had Swagger or Kharma turn up than Hart. JR with a barbecue sauce bottle standing over a semi-conscious man in his underwear is the stuff of nightmares.
-Punk was Punk.

The rest I give a shrug of indifference to. I don't like Truth's or Jackson's wrestling in general. Sin Cara/Chavo wasn't remotely as good as they could have been and while I'm not a Chavo fan, he's better than what I saw.

I'd trade those three for the matches on the 13/5/11 Superstars.

TLC 2010: Yes
Rumble 2011: No
Elimination Chamber: Yes
WM27: No
Extreme Rules: Yes
Over the Limit: No

So I guess I'll be satisfied with Capitol Punishment. They've already made a good start with the name and logo.

Mr.Nice Guy

8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqX5NstKTt4

I thought it was a decent enough PPV. Have to laugh at the people pissed off that the guy who has shirts saying 'never give up' didn't give up. Who'd a thunk it?

It's great we don't have to hear Miz talk about how he's the 'Dubyou, Dubyou' E champion anymore. The guy has been a failure as a top guy. He's simply not believable when he tries to be menacing or dangerous. Back to the midcard you go now.

As for the rest - Orton/Christian was a great match, good to see Truth pick up a win and the Cole/Lawler feud hopefully has been sorted now.

MAJR

GTR63 wrote: »

Imagine what Del Rio armbaring Cena & him tapping out would of done for Del Rio. A very mixed bag of a event no matches except the kayfabe killing main event were badly booked. Sin Cara needs a feud with someone small,quick and talented in the worst of a way.He botched a lot last night again, something that happens more often than not to him on Live broadcast.

You know who the WWE needs to get Sin Cara used to their style and help him reach the standard he should be at? Fit Finlay. Shame Vince forcably retired him then sacked him over some pathetic issue isn't it?

Lord TSC

7

I thought it was a decent enough PPV. Have to laugh at the people pissed off that the guy who has shirts saying 'never give up' didn't give up. Who'd a thunk it?

To be fair, I'd be amazed if you could find anyone who did think he was going to lose. My problem wasn't with the result; I do think it's rotten that the main event is so, so predictable and that's bad for business, but I think most people had resigned themselves to a Cena win as soon as the stipulation was announced.

My problem was with the way they carried it out. Once again, Cena gets beaten down for 20 minutes, only to make a full recovery and dismantle not one but TWO guys in only a few moments. Miz looks like an idiot. Cena kills the ability to suspend your disbelief. As such, it makes a bad main event...

Despite Vince's issues with Macho Man, there simply should have been more than just the pre-show dedication to him. Maybe they'll right that wrong on Raw. Doubt it.

I'll be contraversial here and say he really shouldn't get anything more than he did. Yes, for older fans, his role in WWF was hugely important. But for the current product, he really doesn't "deserve" a huge tribute show, especially since I reckon a huge amount of current fans would have no clue who he was or what his contributions were. It's sad, I know, and I could get some flak for it, but the truth is that he hasn't made any contributions to WWE in 17 years....

parker kent

7

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I thought it was a decent enough PPV. Have to laugh at the people pissed off that the guy who has shirts saying 'never give up' didn't give up. Who'd a thunk it?

People are not giving out about him winning, it is the way the match was booked and the kayabe-killing, comical nature of the match. Fair enough with the face winning an I Quit match. But the way the match was booked could easily destroy Miz, much in the same way Wade Barrett lost all credibility against Cena. Then add in the way there was zero doubt about Cena losing in the way the match was booked. Look at the Orton/Christian match. Very few would have thought Orton would lose. But it was booked in a back and forth manner that helps both guys get over. Orton won, but Christian maintains credibility.

The Miz may or may not have a future as a main eventer. But at the very least they should try and maintain some credibility with guys in feuds with Cena so they don't look like jobbers. The occasional win like that may be acceptable, but feuding with Cena is often a death knell for future prospects.

parker kent

7

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I'll be contraversial here and say he really shouldn't get anything more than he did. Yes, for older fans, his role in WWF was hugely important. But for the current product, he really doesn't "deserve" a huge tribute show, especially since I reckon a huge amount of current fans would have no clue who he was or what his contributions were. It's sad, I know, and I could get some flak for it, but the truth is that he hasn't made any contributions to WWE in 17 years....

Huge tribute show: No. A 2-3 minute video package: Yes.

I don't think a video package paying tribute to one of the greatest stars in WWE history is too much to ask for.

The Volt

3

Awful ppv, end of.

Diabhal Beag

8

That was a good PPV. Had a great match in Orton-Christian. R-Truth my now get a proper push as a heel. Cole's selling of everything post-match was amazing. Liked the main event. They gave Miz nearly all the offense. He was never going to win anyway and they had that great spot where they faked Cena quitting.

One of the better PPVs.


God Del Rio is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo boring.

D2D

8

Really average and very predictable PPV.

Opener with Truth/Rey wasn't too bad, really solidified Truth's heel persona (randomly talking to himself, little Jimmy, heel turn for water..). Zeke and Wade wasn't great. When Gabriel and Slater didn't come out with Wade, it was fairly obvious that they'd interfere. I enjoyed Sin Cara/Chavo but Cara needs more time on SmackDown before he goes on live Raw's/PPV's. The match was good but the finish was botched fairly badly. I know the WWE want to showcase him on PPV but it's still early in his WWE career. Really surprised Punk/Ryan didn't win the tag titles. Mason is a complete freak of nature while Punk was awesome (esp with the Macho Man tribute). Diva's match was just filler.

Orton/Christian was just awesome, easily match of the night. Great stuff from both of them. King/Cole was pretty good as well, even though this match should have happened at Mania. Hopefully that's that feud done with although it'll be interesting to see what happens on Raw now.

Cena/Miz....well, you could predict the finish a mile away. Nice to see the return of the "AWESOME" bubble letters for Miz's entrance. In fairness, it was a decent "I Quit" match (especially with the Cena kid and the Mick Foley/Rock 'esque finish with the recorded version of Cena saying "I quit.") right up until Cena made his comeback and all of Miz's offence for 20 odd minutes went to waste when he got beaten and gave up within 5.

Honestly, not being a Cena hater, but would it kill WWE to leave Cena drop the title for a month or something??

BTW, Daniel Bryan beat Drew McIntyre in the dark match

Mr.Nice Guy

8

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

To be fair, I'd be amazed if you could find anyone who did think he was going to lose. My problem wasn't with the result; I do think it's rotten that the main event is so, so predictable and that's bad for business, but I think most people had resigned themselves to a Cena win as soon as the stipulation was announced.

My problem was with the way they carried it out. Once again, Cena gets beaten down for 20 minutes, only to make a full recovery and dismantle not one but TWO guys in only a few moments. Miz looks like an idiot. Cena kills the ability to suspend your disbelief. As such, it makes a bad main event...

So what would you have preferred? Did you expect the babyface to beat the crap out of the heel and for Miz to make a defiant stance? Would that have made any sense considering his entire WWE run has been to resemble the chicken sh*t heel model that Ric Flair made famous?

parker kent wrote:

People are not giving out about him winning, it is the way the match was booked and the kayabe-killing, comical nature of the match. Fair enough with the face winning an I Quit match. But the way the match was booked could easily destroy Miz, much in the same way Wade Barrett lost all credibility against Cena. Then add in the way there was zero doubt about Cena losing in the way the match was booked. Look at the Orton/Christian match. Very few would have thought Orton would lose. But it was booked in a back and forth manner that helps both guys get over. Orton won, but Christian maintains credibility.

If there was zero doubt that Cena would win then it is a fault of those who put the feud together, not Cena. I ask again - how would you have booked the match in a more logical way? Take into account the fact that they definitely don't want the heel to get sympathy in this type of encounter.

This is the way these type of matches work. Look at Rock's beating of Mankind, look at the time Dreamer got destroyed in ECW with all those kendo stick shots (don't think that was an I Quit match but the premise was the same).

parker kent wrote:

The Miz may or may not have a future as a main eventer. But at the very least they should try and maintain some credibility with guys in feuds with Cena so they don't look like jobbers. The occasional win like that may be acceptable, but feuding with Cena is often a death knell for future prospects.

Your last line is almost as hysterical as your earlier point that 'Wade Barrett lost all credibility against Cena'. Correction - 'Wade Barrett lost all credibility SINCE Cena. It was Cena that made Barrett one of the hottest prospects in 2010 yet he has gone nowhere since. It was also Cena that helped establish Miz and it will be interesting to see where he goes if their feud has indeed ended for the time being.

I'll tell you what was predictable - people bitching about a Cena win when it was obvious the young fans weren't going to see their hero quit. The hissy fit hate brigade were just waiting to throw a strop over the outcome of this match.

Lord TSC

7

To offer a counter point though, I knew Orton was beating Christian last night, and that annoyed me. I'm still not watching SD after the title switch. BUT the match was brilliant, the story was perfect, and despite the predictable result, both men came out of the match looking better than they did going in. The two men benefited from the match.

Did either Cena or Miz gain anything from their "I Quit" match? First off, I don't like the "either/or" scenario you seem to be proposing. No, we're not going to suggest Cena should have beat down Miz for twenty minutes only for Miz to superman it. That would have made little sense. Personally, I'd have rather a more back and forth match. I definitly would not have included A-Ri to begin with; Miz can't win in a two on one situation. How much of a loser does that make him look? On top of that, I wouldnt have had Cena just power back as soon as the match was restarted and just thrash Miz with one or two moves. If the match had even gone on for a bit longer, if Miz had even taken a bit more damage before he tapped like a bitch, it wouldn't have pissed me off so.

What annoys me is that it was the exact same match we've seen for the last five years from Cena in the main event; Beatdown for 20 minutes, amazing comeback, Cena wins and no sells, making his opponent look weak as hell. Miz threw everything he had at Cena and Cena didnt seem bothered at all. How are fans meant to get behind that? If that's Cena's decision or the booking staff, it's still the wrong one. Furthermore, we can only boo Cena since he's the one we're being encourged to voice our opinions of. Trot the booking team out in front of the crowd. I'll rip them up too. I say this as someone who used to love Cena. There's no reason for older fans to get behind him at all. He's completly unrelatable. I know its easy to say "Kids are more important, merch wise", and thats fine, but that doesn't mean older fans can't moan about seeing the same match AGAIN!

As for Barrett, I disagree with you as well. Barrett gain credibility in his inital run-in with Cena and the first Nexus angle, but it was all down hill from there. Barrett never looked like a legit threat against Cena, and was destroyed time and time again, made to look like he was completly out of his league. He became a main event guy briefly because he was up against the main event guy. Cena never really let him look like a legit, credible threat, at least on his own. Whatever credibility Cena did give Nexus during that time, he tended to subsequentially destroy it within two weeks...

parker kent

7

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

So what would you have preferred? Did you expect the babyface to beat the crap out of the heel and for Miz to make a defiant stance? Would that have made any sense considering his entire WWE run has been to resemble the chicken sh*t heel model that Ric Flair made famous?

I don't see anybody suggesting that the match should be booked in that way, so there is no need for facetious points like that. All we are saying is that the match was devoid of heat. The Miz, Cena and the booking of the match on the night are to blame for that. As is the long-term booking.

Booking it so it is a 2-on-1 handicap match in the manner they did was dumb. Sure have the opening few minutes with Riley involved, but then have the GM ban him from ringside or some other simple idea. Even have Cena take him out with a cheeky low blow. But anything other than a sustained 2-on-1. It just ruins The Miz's credibility to book the match in such a manner.

If there was zero doubt that Cena would win then it is a fault of those who put the feud together, not Cena. I ask again - how would you have booked the match in a more logical way? Take into account the fact that they definitely don't want the heel to get sympathy in this type of encounter.

This is the way these type of matches work. Look at Rock's beating of Mankind, look at the time Dreamer got destroyed in ECW with all those kendo stick shots (don't think that was an I Quit match but the premise was the same).

I didn't blame Cena. I pretty clearly referred to booking of the feud and more importantly for this discussion, the booking of the match. You can have an exciting match with a predictable outcome. Look at Orton v Christian. Or the Smackdown Elimination Chamber match. All we ask is something more exciting than Miz wandering around giving a promo. It is extremely possible to book a match that is exciting that is not making the heel look sympathetic. So that argument is extremely flawed.

I must have missed the part of the Mankind/Rock I Quit match where Foley hopped up without a bother on him after 20 minutes of a beatdown. Also, that match had a genuine intensity and heat that last nights did not have. Like I say above, it just felt like a 20 minute promo by The Miz. It could have been booked better. Look at the way Taker sold the beatdown at Wrestlemania. Again, the booking of the match is partly to blame.

Your last line is almost as hysterical as your earlier point that 'Wade Barrett lost all credibility against Cena'. Correction - 'Wade Barrett lost all credibility SINCE Cena. It was Cena that made Barrett one of the hottest prospects in 2010 yet he has gone nowhere since. It was also Cena that helped establish Miz and it will be interesting to see where he goes if their feud has indeed ended for the time being.

I'll tell you what was predictable - people bitching about a Cena win when it was obvious the young fans weren't going to see their hero quit. The hissy fit hate brigade were just waiting to throw a strop over the outcome of this match.

I don't think it is hysterical to suggest the feud ending match Cena had with Barrett has impacted negatively on Barrett. There are long threads on here discussing the way that feud was booked. It did Barrett no favours in the long-term. Given the WWE's lack of credible new stars, that strikes me as poor logic.

The Miz has been gaining heat for a long time before the Cena feud. So no, it was not "Cena that helped establish Miz". There should be a way for Cena to win that does not make The Miz look that weak. The face should nearly always get the "comeuppance" victory. But it shouldn't be such a credibility wrecking victory. This could conceivably but Miz into a tailspin. That's not hysterical, that is just a reasonable statement based on experience of other wrestlers after Cena feuds.

I'll say it again, people are not "bitching about a Cena win". We just thought the match sucked. Read the thread and see where I and others agree that Cena should win. I think you are doing people a disservice by suggesting people are just bitching.

Lord TSC

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Actually, you know what change I would have made? I wouldn't have made it a stupid "I Quit" match. At least that way, there would have been SOME chance at a surprise ending....

Machismo Fan

5-middle of the road

Awesome Christian/Orton match, finally somebody who dragged Orton out of first gear. The rest of the show was meh, Sin Cara continues to look absolutely terrible anytime he's not doing something cool. None of the other match were anything great. Gave it a four mostly for Christian/Orton but might've been a tad harsh on reflection.

parker kent

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Yeah probably would be a better idea to have some other gimmick instead of the I Quit. Given the upper mid card is a bit of a wasteland, they can't really afford to risk ruining one of the few guys who has had exposure of the last 18 months.

smilerf

5-middle of the road

Gave it 4. Real bad ppv. Orton vs christian was class. Zeke vs barrett was just terrible. Truth vs rey was ok but should have got more time. Tag was ok better than i expected. Diva match and lawlor cole was rubbish. Sin cara vs chavo was below average. Cena vs miz was dire

Mr. Guappa

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I gave it a 5, some good points but it was mainly average fare and annoying booking.

R-Truth continues to pleasantly surprise me - his heel persona is working well at the moment and giving him the clean win was a good move.

Orton/Christian was very good. I don't agree that this is the end of Christian's main-event level run. Himself and Orton have great chemistry and no-one else on SD is at a level to genuinely challenge RKO. They might go with a 4-way bout at the next PPV. A Christian heel-turn does appear to be the most likely result of this feud.

Punk drew a decent match out of Kane and Big Show. He deserves to be higher up the card but he'll continue to thread water until his contract situation is resolved.

Hate the lighting they use for Sin Cara matches. Despite winning every week he is struggling to get over. I'd book him in a weekly series of bouts with Daniel Bryan where they exchange wins in fantastic matches, building a buzz around their feud as word spreads about how great the matches are.

The Diva's bout was the usual effort. The lack of a Kharma run-in was a disappointment.

King/Cole was a satisfactory blow-off to a feud which dragged on far too long. They should have had this match at WM or Extreme Rules at the latest. It will be interesting to see where Cole's heel character goes from here.

Zeke/Barrett was a waste of time. Why have a DQ finish? Surely it's much better to have The Corre cause Barrett to gain a screwy victory?

The biggest problem with this PPV was the main-event. Cena's selling continues to be a disgrace which didn't help the match, nor did the bizarre booking help it. Putting Riley in there made sense but it only served to make Miz look weak when he couldn't get the job done. The ending was once again needlessly over-booked and the quick demolition job on Miz following the restart was unecessary.

Mr.Nice Guy

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Teamshadowclan wrote: »

To offer a counter point though, I knew Orton was beating Christian last night, and that annoyed me. I'm still not watching SD after the title switch. BUT the match was brilliant, the story was perfect, and despite the predictable result, both men came out of the match looking better than they did going in. The two men benefited from the match.

Do you not see the obvious difference? The stipulation itself is what made the Cena/Miz match predictable and it is also far more limiting than Orton's match with Christian. There is not much room for any creativity in an I Quit match.

Teamshadowclan wrote:

Did either Cena or Miz gain anything from their "I Quit" match? First off, I don't like the "either/or" scenario you seem to be proposing. No, we're not going to suggest Cena should have beat down Miz for twenty minutes only for Miz to superman it. That would have made little sense. Personally, I'd have rather a more back and forth match. I definitly would not have included A-Ri to begin with; Miz can't win in a two on one situation. How much of a loser does that make him look? On top of that, I wouldnt have had Cena just power back as soon as the match was restarted and just thrash Miz with one or two moves. If the match had even gone on for a bit longer, if Miz had even taken a bit more damage before he tapped like a bitch, it wouldn't have pissed me off so.

A back and forth match would make no sense in the context of Miz's run the last few months. Where is the sense in a chicken sh*t heel making a defiant effort against a load of punishment? Miz hasn't been presented as a tough heel. He is a guy who pulls it out of the bag through foul play. Him tapping like a bitch is exactly the way it was supposed to go. Now if this had happened to Sheamus it would have been bad booking as we are supposed to believe he is a tough no nonsense badass. We are not expected to believe Miz is.

Teamshadowclan wrote:

What annoys me is that it was the exact same match we've seen for the last five years from Cena in the main event; Beatdown for 20 minutes, amazing comeback, Cena wins and no sells, making his opponent look weak as hell. Miz threw everything he had at Cena and Cena didnt seem bothered at all. How are fans meant to get behind that? If that's Cena's decision or the booking staff, it's still the wrong one. Furthermore, we can only boo Cena since he's the one we're being encourged to voice our opinions of. Trot the booking team out in front of the crowd. I'll rip them up too. I say this as someone who used to love Cena. There's no reason for older fans to get behind him at all. He's completly unrelatable. I know its easy to say "Kids are more important, merch wise", and thats fine, but that doesn't mean older fans can't moan about seeing the same match AGAIN!

It's not like Miz killed the guy. He was hit with vicious kendo stick shots and with the microphone etc. It's not like he was set on fire or electrocuted. So I don't get the hate for his comeback on this occasion. Cena did sell for Miz for about 20 minutes anyway. We're supposed to believe that the fans inspired him to dig deep and pull out the win. This isn't exactly superhuman stuff. Leinster did this at the weekend sure.

Teamshadowclan wrote:

As for Barrett, I disagree with you as well. Barrett gain credibility in his inital run-in with Cena and the first Nexus angle, but it was all down hill from there. Barrett never looked like a legit threat against Cena, and was destroyed time and time again, made to look like he was completly out of his league. He became a main event guy briefly because he was up against the main event guy. Cena never really let him look like a legit, credible threat, at least on his own. Whatever credibility Cena did give Nexus during that time, he tended to subsequentially destroy it within two weeks...

Profoundly disagree with this. There was at one stage a lot of people who felt Barrett was going to win the WWE Title during his feud with Cena last year. That looks a million miles away right now. Cena put him and Nexus over hugely and as I said many times, when Orton feuded with them he killed Nexus far more than Cena ever did and took nowhere near as much flak for it.

parker kent wrote:

I don't see anybody suggesting that the match should be booked in that way, so there is no need for facetious points like that. All we are saying is that the match was devoid of heat. The Miz, Cena and the booking of the match on the night are to blame for that. As is the long-term booking.

I don't see anybody offering credible alternatives to what happened.

parker kent wrote:

Booking it so it is a 2-on-1 handicap match in the manner they did was dumb. Sure have the opening few minutes with Riley involved, but then have the GM ban him from ringside or some other simple idea. Even have Cena take him out with a cheeky low blow. But anything other than a sustained 2-on-1. It just ruins The Miz's credibility to book the match in such a manner.

How could the GM ban him when anything goes? It would have made no sense for Riley not to get involved. I would have preferred a babyface come in and take him out which I think would have been better but there was always going to be a 2-on-1 element.

The problem people like you have is you don't understand the way they are choosing to book Miz. He is the modern day Flair. He is not going to dominate anybody in the ring by himself. He is a smarmy, cocky, conniving heel who will do anything to pull out a win. The Cena fans are supposed to think that if only their hero could get his hands on him one on one then he would shut this big mouthed heel up. Well, last night that is what happened. Cena locked in the submission and he tapped like the coward he is. It's booking 101.

It was done right and was done well imo.

parker kent

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Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I don't see anybody offering credible alternatives to what happened.

Do you seriously expect people to lay out the match? We're not Dean Malenko talking to Cena and Miz backstage. I think the various people that have said they wanted a back and forth match or at least an entertaining match have implicitly stated how they wanted the match to go. We've all watched thousands of those.

How could the GM ban him when anything goes? It would have made no sense for Riley not to get involved. I would have preferred a babyface come in and take him out which I think would have been better but there was always going to be a 2-on-1 element.

The problem people like you have is you don't understand the way they are choosing to book Miz. He is the modern day Flair. He is not going to dominate anybody in the ring by himself. He is a smarmy, cocky, conniving heel who will do anything to pull out a win. The Cena fans are supposed to think that if only their hero could get his hands on him one on one then he would shut this big mouthed heel up. Well, last night that is what happened. Cena locked in the submission and he tapped like the coward he is. It's booking 101.

It was done right and was done well imo.

If you read what I said above, I said having the 2-on-1 element was fine, so long as it did not last too long. I'm not going to write it again so I'll just quote it.

Sure have the opening few minutes with Riley involved, but then have the GM ban him from ringside or some other simple idea. Even have Cena take him out with a cheeky low blow. But anything other than a sustained 2-on-1.

I'm sure we would all have accepted the situation if the GM made an announcement that the match was No DQ, but that Alex Riley was banned from ringside. Expand your mind just a tiny little bit.

Given I have frequently posted on here stating that they are booking The Miz like the 80s Ric Flair, I think "people like me" can understand the concept of a conniving, cheating heel. It has existed as long as pro wrestling has existed. Flair would get the upper hand by having the Horsemen interfere, not wrestle alongside him for the whole match. He got the upperhand through sneaky, underhand tactics like low blows, uncovering the turnbuckle pad etc. Hence the dirtiest player in the game reputation.

So to keep you happy, here is my Road Agent moment through my version of the match.

- The Miz gets on the mic and makes the same announcement he did and the first few minutes go like they did last night.
- Then the GM email arrives and it says "That the match was scheduled as a one-on-one match and that that is what the fans will get. Alex Riley is banned from ringside"
- Cena smiling and happy goes through his flurry of favourite moves. The Miz is snivelling and on the retreat. He then does something heelish like a cheap low blow or throwing a drink in Cena's eyes (maybe a "hot" coffee that Booker T had on the desk for example).
-This continues for 10 minutes or so with The Miz taking every heel short-cut in the book.
-Cena keeps refusing to quit and The Miz gets frustrated. At this moment, Cena slowly gets the upper hand and snaps on an STF for the victory. Cena collapses in exhaustion with the WWE title as The Miz retreats backstage.

Your "people like you" and "booking 101" comments are needlessly insulting to people who simply disagree with you and seem to carry a common opinion of people who watched the show.

parker kent

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Mr. Guappa wrote: »

Hate the lighting they use for Sin Cara matches. Despite winning every week he is struggling to get over. I'd book him in a weekly series of bouts with Daniel Bryan where they exchange wins in fantastic matches, building a buzz around their feud as word spreads about how great the matches are.

That's a good idea. Maybe have Sin Cara win 2 very close matches on Smackdown. Then have Bryan challenge him to a best of 5 match series. Or else let them exchange wins and set up a rubber match at a PPV that is 2 out of 3 falls.

dlofnep

7

Christian and Orton was a good match. Sin Card made loads of mistakes in his match, uncanny of him. Supercena was stupid as always.

the groutch

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dlofnep wrote: »

Sin Cara made loads of mistakes in his match, uncanny of him.

he's a botching machine

glenjamin

7

I can't believe that any Cena fans out there would still defend him after that performance. I never expected once that Cena would lose but in the manner that he won done nothing to convince all the Cena haters out there to change their minds about him and done fcuk all for all the Miz haters to change their minds either about Miz being a convincing main eventer.

For Cena to take a 2-on-1 beatdown for 20 minutes then to hop up, AA Riley through the announcers table, then to take off his belt and stand there looking at Miz, not even out of breath or showing any signs or being beatdown for as long as he was beatdown was a complete joke. Then it takes a Cena beatdown on Miz for a couple of minutes for Miz to say 'I Quit', WTF like???

The rest of the PPV was decent. Christian vs Orton was amazing, and even though I never believed once beforehand that Christian would win, during the match I thought different thanks to how the match was put together. **** minimum.

Glad that Cole finally got what he deserved. 2 months too late though.

Overall I'll give it 6/10. Not bad for a free PPV.

Prufrock

Why not have Miz work on Cenas arm or something in the run up to the PPV so theres a chance of him saying I quit? Make him relentless focusing on Cenas arm 3 weeks in a row. During the match Miz works the arm trying to get him to quit. Cena refuses and gets the win in the end. Miz looks good, Cena looks good, everyone is happy. As it was booked Miz was never going to win.

parker kent

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Prufrock wrote: »

Why not have Miz work on Cenas arm or something in the run up to the PPV so theres a chance of him saying I quit? Make him relentless focusing on Cenas arm 3 weeks in a row. During the match Miz works the arm trying to get him to quit. Cena refuses and gets the win in the end. Miz looks good, Cena looks good, everyone is happy. As it was booked Miz was never going to win.

Are you Bret Hart in disguise? :pac: He seriously dislikes the lack of working a body part in the modern WWE. That idea would have made a decent storyline and a better match.

spiritcrusher

7

Gave it a 6. Up til the main event I thought it was a solid 7 or so, no particularly bad matches, even the tag match was decent, Orton Christian was great etc. But then... Yeah.
There was a point when they almost had me think Cena might not win, with all the kendo stick shots, steel steps, belt whips, face crushing finale on a chair, suplex on the ramp, chair to the head etc... it had got to a point where I thought "there surely is no one in WWE so away with the fairies to believe Cena somehow coming back to make Miz say I Quit is believable". Maybe have the Miz quit himself out of complete frustration, not a two minute break and Cena's up sprinting after the Miz with his belt.

I honestly did not mind at all that Cena won the title at Extreme Rules, but since then I haven't been able to enjoy his predictable and repetitive matches. Maybe it's not his fault, but whoever books his matches should realise that although it's "pretend" it's still supposed to look real.

Oh, and is it me or has Josh Mathews really stepped up his announcing recently??

DM_7

Since we see the same broken records appear on every RAW or PPV thread I am about to break my record so I can repeat my lines time and time and time again.

Hulk Hogan, I loved that guy when I was a kid. He was such a hero. He always appeared super human.
Ultimate Warrior, I loved that guy when I was a kid. He was such a hero. He always appeared super human.

I loved them as no matter what they always came back at the end and won.

If I whinge and whine about Cena I would be a hypocrite, he is just a modern day Hogan. Kids love him, so credit WWE for giving them the hero they deserve in 2011. The Kids Miz teased last night reacted just how I would have as a kid if asked the same questions about Hogan or Warrior.

Anyways I am still a big Kid so I have huge respect for John Cena the performer.


EDIT:
Edit: I am sick of this Cena stuff now. We desperately need a Cena Bashing thread like the HHH one we used to have. There are other things we could discuss but it always goes back to Cena. Its spoiling this forum for me at this point.

We should be discussing R-Truths excellent heel turn. Why Dolph Ziggler, Kofi Kingston, Cody Rhodes, Jack Swagger, Daniel Bryan are nowhere to be seen. Why Del Rio had no match. How Great Christian was again. Are the Corre looking like a unit with serious potential again, how they found a nice triple team move to finish of Zeke.

Liam O

DM-ICE wrote: »

Edit: I am sick of this Cena stuff now. We desperately need a Cena Bashing thread like the HHH one we used to have. There are other things we could discuss but it always goes back to Cena. Its spoiling this forum for me at this point.

We should be discussing R-Truths excellent heel turn. Why Dolph Ziggler, Kofi Kingston, Cody Rhodes, Jack Swagger, Daniel Bryan are nowhere to be seen. Why Del Rio had no match. How Great Christian was again. Are the Corre looking like a unit with serious potential again, how they found a nice triple team move to finish of Zeke.

I'm actually starting to warm to Cena again, he doesn't seem to take himself as seriously anymore and has done some good (abeit short) fun stuff with Zack Ryder in recent weeks. That clip above of him having a laugh with the Cena haters really upped him as well in my eyes. So long as he doesn't go back to doing stupid childish promos anytime soon I'm willing to give him a chance, more Zack Ryder promos backstage sould really elevate him in the IWC's eyes imo.

There was no reason why Ziggler and Del Rio couldn't have been given a match, either as a tag team or against each other. It really showed that they had nothing for Del Rio after he cut that lame promo and got thrown out by Big Show and Kane. I suppose he'll move onto Cena now but I think I'll miss Miz on the main event scene if that's the case. They may do another Miz run and focus it more on the ref after the last 2 times he has 'screwed' Miz over.

DM_7

Liam O wrote: »

I'm actually starting to warm to Cena again, he doesn't seem to take himself as seriously anymore and has done some good (abeit short) fun stuff with Zack Ryder in recent weeks. That clip above of him having a laugh with the Cena haters really upped him as well in my eyes. So long as he doesn't go back to doing stupid childish promos anytime soon I'm willing to give him a chance, more Zack Ryder promos backstage sould really elevate him in the IWC's eyes imo.

There was no reason why Ziggler and Del Rio couldn't have been given a match, either as a tag team or against each other. It really showed that they had nothing for Del Rio after he cut that lame promo and got thrown out by Big Show and Kane. I suppose he'll move onto Cena now but I think I'll miss Miz on the main event scene if that's the case. They may do another Miz run and focus it more on the ref after the last 2 times he has 'screwed' Miz over.

I hadn't considered the same ref reversing/changing his decision. It would make sense if Miz went down that route. I too have enjoyed Miz in the main event scene and Riley has done a surprisingly good job Mixing with the big boys.

When Del Rio started running down Seattle I hoped Bryan (Home Town Hero) would appear but it wasn't to be.

I would have liked to see Del Rio v Ziggler v Kofi in place of Lawler v Cole again, but again it wasn't to be.

parker kent

7

Since we see the same broken records appear on every RAW or PPV thread I am about to break my record so I can repeat my lines time and time and time again.

Hulk Hogan, I loved that guy when I was a kid. He was such a hero. He always appeared super human.
Ultimate Warrior, I loved that guy when I was a kid. He was such a hero. He always appeared super human.

I loved them as no matter what they always came back at the end and won.

If I whinge and whine about Cena I would be a hypocrite, he is just a modern day Hogan. Kids love him, so credit WWE for giving them the hero they deserve in 2011. The Kids Miz teased last night reacted just how I would have as a kid if asked the same questions about Hogan or Warrior.

Anyways I am still a big Kid so I have huge respect for John Cena the performer.

As long as Cena is in the main event, it will be pretty difficult to avoid talking about him on Raw or PPV threads. It would be like discussing a game of football and ignoring the team that won.

My issue is the "basher", "hater", "broken record" type lines used. People that disagree with you are not any of the above. Lines like that come across as attempts to discredit an argument by calling somebody irrational or myopic. Typically these Cena arguments begin with somebody making a comment about whether they disliked the show or not. As is the case in this thread.

But there is no way there can be a discussion about Over The Limit without Cena. The debate in this thread was specifically about the booking of the match, not the man himself.

I didn't like Hogan as a kid, so I guess I'm morally free to dislike Cena :pac: But I don't buy that "sure the kids love him, so you can't say anything bad about him" shtick. Of course we should be able to say whether we liked a match or not.

DM_7

parker kent wrote: »

As long as Cena is in the main event, it will be pretty difficult to avoid talking about him on Raw or PPV threads. It would be like discussing a game of football and ignoring the team that won.

My issue is the "basher", "hater", "broken record" type lines used. People that disagree with you are not any of the above. Lines like that come across as attempts to discredit an argument by calling somebody irrational or myopic. Typically these Cena arguments begin with somebody making a comment about whether they disliked the show or not. As is the case in this thread.

But there is no way there can be a discussion about Over The Limit without Cena. The debate in this thread was specifically about the booking of the match, not the man himself.

I didn't like Hogan as a kid, so I guess I'm morally free to dislike Cena :pac: But I don't buy that "sure the kids love him, so you can't say anything bad about him" shtick. Of course we should be able to say whether we liked a match or not.

Oh great a reply to that part of my post- just what I didn't want.
___________

Facetious, irrational, dogmatic, now add myopic to the list.

I'm not getting any deeper into the Cena debate. Its like groundhog day.

Its so boring at this stage. MNG posted his thoughts on this thread, not directed at anyone specifically just a general quote about people getting upset at the guy who never gives up not quitting, posters reply and we are off again. Of course people have a right to reply, but its the same posts different thread.

If MNG posted about anyone other than Cena, and got replies that were to oppose his views it would be new and interesting.

I have already tried to move onto another topic that I would have an interest in put sadly (for me) that has not had the desired result.

flahavaj

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I agree with everything MNG has said here, I couldn't be bothered getting into it again though.

Word Life.

DM_7

flahavaj wrote: »

I agree with everything MNG has said here, I couldn't be bothered getting into it again though.

Word Life.

Did you see the show yet Flah?

If so what did you think of R-Truth? For me he is the most interesting guy getting on RAW at the moment.

flahavaj

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DM-ICE wrote: »

Did you see the show yet Flah?

If so what did you think of R-Truth? For me he is the most interesting guy getting on RAW at the moment.

I watched up until Sin Cara's match last night and I've skimmed over the rest today.

Truth has been amazing since turning heel, they need to push him to the moon. I've always though the guy had serious talent in and out of the ring. A feud with Cena could be good actually, no love lost there in real lfe either.

parker kent

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DM-ICE wrote: »

Oh great a reply to that part of my post- just what I didn't want.

Facetious, irrational, dogmatic, now add myopic to the list.

I want to discuss other stuff too, you should expect replies when you phrase things the way you did in that post. Fair enough if you feel tired of the debates, but there are far too many touchy replies to criticism about Cena or the booking of his matches. Disagree by all means, but I think people are more than just disagreeing.

Anyway my first post on this talked about what I thought were the 3 most post-worthy incidents, ditto most other people. Christian/Orton was one of the matches of the year. I wish more people would talk about that. I think it shows why Orton is a top level guy. Just that WWE are not using him to the best of his abilities in the way he is being booked.

spiritcrusher

7

To narrow the R-Truth thing down further, his 'Little Jimmy' shtick is the best thing on Raw.

parker kent

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flahavaj wrote: »

Truth has been amazing since turning heel, they need to push him to the moon. I've always though the guy had serious talent in and out of the ring. A feud with Cena could be good actually, no love lost there in real lfe either.

I think Truth needs to have 6ish months of taking on other faces first. Let him work his way through the faces like Rey, Morrison when he returns etc. Let the heat build nicely. Maybe win MITB or something as well.

flahavaj

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parker kent wrote: »

I think Truth needs to have 6ish months of taking on other faces first. Let him work his way through the faces like Rey, Morrison when he returns etc. Let the heat build nicely. Maybe win MITB or something as well.

Absolutely, I'm all for bringing people slowly to the boil. I hate when a guy gets a push and they blow their load on all his potential big feuds too soon.

I should also mention that Orton/Christiam was bloody good from what I saw of it, I'll need to watch it again more carefully. Just a good wrestling match with all thebasics done very well. Christian's facial expressions are some of the best in the business. He should settle into his niche now as the guy on the roster just under the Main Event that can make anyone look good.

Orton hit a bit of a run there for a while but he's looked to be back in the groove lately. He's truly one of the best in the business when he's in the mood/motivated.

DM_7

parker kent wrote: »

I want to discuss other stuff too, you should expect replies when you phrase things the way you did in that post. Fair enough if you feel tired of the debates, but there are far too many touchy replies to criticism about Cena or the booking of his matches. Disagree by all means, but I think people are more than just disagreeing.

Really? Do you really want to discuss other things? If you want to discuss other things why not let MNGs post slide? Your first post on this very thread was negative towards Cena and Cena fans.

parker kent wrote: »

How anybody could ever put Cena and Orton on par with each other I don't know.

I am amused that you think I should expect replies for the way I phrased my post, my post never disagreed with your comments.

Did I mention you in my original post? No.
Did I quote your comments regarding Cenas booking in this thread and offer a counter argument? No (I did give I reason as to why I wasn't going to join in with the complaints, i never said I disagreed with them).

I said Broken RecordS. I was referencing both the Pro Cena and anti Cena/Anti Cena booking comments I see all the time.

parker kent wrote: »

Anyway first post on this talked about what I thought were the 3 most post-worthy incidents, ditto most other people. Christian/Orton was one of the matches of the year. I wish more people would talk about that. I think it shows why Orton is a top level guy. Just that WWE are not using him to the best of his abilities in the way he is being booked.

What, in your opinion is wrong with how Orton is being booked? Particularly after the match he put on last night.

krudler

"shut up little Jimmy!" is the new "What?", wait and see..

starviewadams

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I enjoyed everything besides the tag match and Wade vs Zeke.

Cole/Lawler was booked perfectly and I was glad and surprised to see Bret back,JR looks extremely healthy too!

Randy/Christian was brilliant,hope they continue the feud with a possible Christian heel turn somewhere down the line.

I've decided on boycotting all of Cena's matches from now on,far less infuriating!

DM_7

Actually regarding my first Post.

To Parker Kent if my original post on this topic appeared as it was negative towards you I apologise. I respect your opinion, I don't have to be 100% in agreement, but I respect your opinion, you repeatedly back it up and I didn't want to appear like I was disagreeing with you this time.

Also if anyone else thought I was having a go at them I am sorry too. I have no right to complain about a topic being discussed. I felt like we were going around in circles but it is still a hot topic at the end of the day and I had no right to have a go so to speak.

Back on topic, Oh and the little Jimmy stuff is great!

parker kent

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DM-ICE wrote: »

What, in your opinion is wrong with how Orton is being booked? Particularly after the match he put on last night.

I'm going to ignore the Cena stuff, because it's not going to get anybody anywhere.

Anyway, like I said in my first post in the thread, Orton has all the skills both in and out of the ring a wrestler could need. But I don't think they are booking him in a manner that maximizes his potential. He is stuck in limbo between face and heel. The mixed reactions he gets are a sign of the quirkiness of how he is booked. I don't think they are doing enough to make sure he connects with people. It is sort of like "He's a face, he now kicks bad guys in the head so you should cheer him". They could make more of an effort with him.

I have no issues with Orton as an in-ring wrestler. The PPV showed why that is the case.

JP Liz V1

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Why the hell couldnt Christian V Orton (best damn match on the ppv) end the show or at least be second last :mad:

Wade needs to drop the IC belt or feud with Bryan or Cody for it