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What's wrong with Paul O'Connell?

  • 28-05-2010 9:20pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44


    What's really wrong with P O'Connell. Are we being given the full story?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,207 durkadurka
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    I kinda get the impression we're being strung along. He drops out of teams at the last minute.

    Its all a bit odd the way it's happening. Maybe the meds just don't understand it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,193 [Jackass]
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    Last I heard, he had some sort of infection, possiby the groin area, or hand? I don't quite remember, but he was in hospital for a while and didn't respond to treatment, then I think it flaired up again.

    I don't see why there'd be any cover up at this stage. He may get surgery over the summer, that would indicate that it was something else, but as far as I know, it's only a short term thing...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 profitius
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    He was spotted limping yesterday! If he can't even walk he's in no position to face the AB's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 Spore
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    He died and was replaced by a waxwork figure. The waxwork figure wilted in the scrum and melted. Paul O Connel is now a tealight.


  • Subscribers Posts: 16,617 copacetic
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    [Jackass] wrote: »
    Last I heard, he had some sort of infection, possiby the groin area, or hand? I don't quite remember, but he was in hospital for a while and didn't respond to treatment, then I think it flaired up again.

    I don't see why there'd be any cover up at this stage. He may get surgery over the summer, that would indicate that it was something else, but as far as I know, it's only a short term thing...

    He has an ongoing groin injury due to an infection and has been having intravenous antibiotics in hospital to try and clear it up. It hasn't cleared up in time. Infections are much harder to assess and plan for than simple muscle injuries.

    (Widely reported in all the papers over last while)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 Guy:Incognito
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    [Jackass] wrote: »
    possiby the groin area, or hand?...

    A hand & groin area related injury you say.........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 D'Agger
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    Thread of the day eh....how :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,373 ongarite
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    Confirmed as being out of the summer tour, Ulster Ed O'Donoghue takes his place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,848 bleg
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    He's as entitled to medical confidentiality as anybody else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 d'Oracle
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    Someone said that he has ostitis Pubus.
    This is probably bull****.

    But if its a bone infection of some sort, it could take a long ass time to recover properly from.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,200 BoarHunter
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    The problem with this kind of infectious groin strain is that it is very up to every individual to evaluate the recovery time. POC is passed 30 now and it takes a long time especially that after a long season starting with the Lions, the muscles must have been really tired... A long holidays is the best he can have and i hope he will get in great form to prepare the WC .
    munster should really get a good backup for him in order to rest him well next season so he arrives in the best of form in NZL. He is a strong man physically and mentally so i'm sure he will make it as all great champions do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,184 Patsy fyre
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    Word in limerick is that it could actually be a career threatening back injury. Aparently poc has lost confindence in himself as a result. Not looking to good at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,979 phog
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    Surely someone's cousin's aunt lives next door to an uncle of Paul and have the inside info, I mean it's our right to be told the gorey details of his injury, why should such loyal supporters be left in the dark on why he hasn't played in the last few weeks and now he pulls out of a vital summer tour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,207 durkadurka
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    Stekelly wrote: »
    A hand & groin area related injury you say.........

    Please tell me you're not suggesting excessive mas...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 thomond2006
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    Stekelly wrote: »
    A hand & groin area related injury you say.........
    bleg wrote: »
    He's as entitled to medical confidentiality as anybody else.

    ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 Fatscally
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    I saw Paul yesterday... no... no... wait... no sorry... it was only Elvis. :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,044 gcgirl
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    it could take 8 to 10 weeks of anti b's to try and get rid of the infection be there done it with the youngest she got an infection in her hip and was in complete agony she could not walk or i could not even touch her leg she had so many drips in both her arms for the 4 weeks we were in hospital another 6 weeks of anti b's then after and the young lad in the bed next to her had the same thing only worse !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 JustinDee
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    gcgirl wrote: »
    it could take 8 to 10 weeks of anti b's to try and get rid of the infection be there done it with the youngest she got an infection in her hip and was in complete agony she could not walk or i could not even touch her leg she had so many drips in both her arms for the 4 weeks we were in hospital another 6 weeks of anti b's then after and the young lad in the bed next to her had the same thing only worse !
    Have you ever tried using one of these "."? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,200 BoarHunter
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    phog wrote: »
    Surely someone's cousin's aunt lives next door to an uncle of Paul and have the inside info, I mean it's our right to be told the gorey details of his injury, why should such loyal supporters be left in the dark on why he hasn't played in the last few weeks and now he pulls out of a vital summer tour.


    Is it that vital ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 JustinDee
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    BoarHunter wrote: »
    Is it that vital ?
    As a pre-RWC warm-up, experience-builder? Yep.
    For an injured player? Nope. No match is.

    And nobody is obliged to give out any medical details of a player to the general public. If he's out, he's out. Nobody else's business.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 Zzippy
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    As a pre-RWC warm-up, experience-builder? Yep.

    Really? That's why we're taking players who really need to build experience, such as John Hayes, and Shane Horgan, yeah?

    Pull the other one... :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,969 buck65
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    How these games are any way related to the RWC which is almost 1 1/2 yrs away is a mystery to me.
    Even a win down there counts for jack **** next year as our disastrous 6 nations proved this year when we were rated 3rd in the world and played like a bunch of goons.
    The changes should have been rung for this tour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,979 phog
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    BoarHunter wrote: »
    Is it that vital ?

    surely even without the smilies you noticed some sarcasm in my post


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 JustinDee
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    Zzippy wrote: »
    Really? That's why we're taking players who really need to build experience, such as John Hayes, and Shane Horgan, yeah?

    Pull the other one... :rolleyes:
    You don't throw inexperienced players en masse in at the deep end when you're building a squad for a RWC that takes place next year.

    Last team I saw that did this for reasons other than injuries was England in 1998 or 1999 at Lang Park. Was actually at it.
    They were absolutely annihilated by the Wallabies 76-0 with around three or four of the entire squad surviving into the next decade.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 Blured
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    You don't throw inexperienced players en masse in at the deep end when you're building a squad for a RWC that takes place next year.

    Last team I saw that did this for reasons other than injuries was England in 1998 or 1999 at Lang Park. Was actually at it.
    They were absolutely annihilated by the Wallabies 76-0 with around three or four of the entire squad surviving into the next decade.

    You were the one who refered to this tour as experience building. The point Zzippy was trying to make ( I think ) was that players like Horgan, Hayes, etc have been on these tours before, been to World Cups, we know what they can do so why bring them. They are coming to end of their careers and we need to start finding viable replacements who can hack it at International level


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 JustinDee
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    Blured wrote: »
    You were the one who refered to this tour as experience building. The point Zzippy was trying to make ( I think ) was that players like Horgan, Hayes, etc have been on these tours before, been to World Cups, we know what they can do so why bring them. They are coming to end of their careers and we need to start finding viable replacements who can hack it at International level

    The way to develop a side is mix the inexprienced with the experience (as they are doing). Also, its not just about game time for new players. Time in-camp and the experience of being in a successful squad that wins tests also contribute hugely to newcomers.
    This is why nobody sends a team of rookies on tour unless they have absolutely no other choice. They want results and a familiarisation experience for the new squad members regardless of whether or not they play.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 Melion
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    What are the chances of him not being physically injured at all?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 evil_seed
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    did he have an operation on the groin? could be a staph infection which is very hard to clear up if not treated correctly. lots of nfl players pick these up and one last season had to retire, but i can't think of his name.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 JustinDee
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    Melion wrote: »
    What are the chances of him not being physically injured at all?
    ????


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 Zzippy
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    You don't throw inexperienced players en masse in at the deep end when you're building a squad for a RWC that takes place next year.

    Last team I saw that did this for reasons other than injuries was England in 1998 or 1999 at Lang Park. Was actually at it.
    They were absolutely annihilated by the Wallabies 76-0 with around three or four of the entire squad surviving into the next decade.
    JustinDee wrote: »
    The way to develop a side is mix the inexprienced with the experience (as they are doing). Also, its not just about game time for new players. Time in-camp and the experience of being in a successful squad that wins tests also contribute hugely to newcomers.
    This is why nobody sends a team of rookies on tour unless they have absolutely no other choice. They want results and a familiarisation experience for the new squad members regardless of whether or not they play.

    Who said anything about throwing inexperienced players en masse in at the deep end? I pointed out two players who don't need the experience, one of whom has not been first choice for Ireland for 2 years now. Of course you have to blend experience with youth, but bringing players at the end of their careers on tour who don't need the experience, and could easily be replaced by younger players who would benefit from the experience, surrounded by players who have the experience but are not as old as the two I mentioned.

    As for time in-camp benefiting players, then why not bring along a few more young players and give them game time against the NZ Maori - its a nothing match which won't affect world rankings.

    Fact is Kidney is proving just as conservative as EOS was, and you can't accept any viewpoint thats critical of the IRFU. Take the blinkers off for a change.


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    TheTMO wrote: »
    Not sure about the property development but I am aware that O'Connell does have issues with depression. Neil Francis was slated awhile back for alluding to this when O'Connell had a long lay off due to a 'back' injury. I was actually shocked someone in Francis' position put that information in the public domain but I suppose less shocked that it was Francis that did it. Anyway hes entitled to privacy during this tough period and I hope he can recover.

    I have absolutely no idea about depression so I won't comment on that, but there were stories in national newspapers recently about how a group of investors, POC included, were suing Pat Whelan over a bad property deal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,960 DarkJager
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    That is nothing more than a despicable malicious rumour and is entirely untrue.

    I'm just telling you the word that is going around here at the moment, don't shoot the messenger. If you think about it though, it does make a lot more sense for explaining his length of absence than a groin injury.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 JustinDee
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    Zzippy wrote: »
    Fact is Kidney is proving just as conservative as EOS was, and you can't accept any viewpoint thats critical of the IRFU. Take the blinkers off for a change.
    Relax there, fella.
    There are no blinkers involved here.
    There are three main sports that I have a considerable interest in. One of which I'm lucky to work in and the other two I've played to good standard. They are cricket, rugby union and rugby league. In none of them do a management ever go on tour with a weakened side unless they have absolutely no other choice. They want results behind them as well as benefit to the squad there.
    This is the balance I refer to. Its not "blinkered".
    This will be a tough tour. First up against a team of players who want to make the All Blacks, next the All Blacks and then Australia in Lang Park.


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    JustinDee wrote: »
    That is nothing more than a despicable malicious rumour and is entirely untrue.

    DarkJager is a Munster fan so I doubt it's malicious. I don't expect you to confirm or deny the rumour but it's widely known O'Connell has personal mental issues and has even been talked about by national pundits. I really don't know why stating that fact is deemed as despicable or malicious as that comes across as labelling depression as something to be ashamed of or embarassed. If anything O'Connell's struggles make me respect him more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 McGilla
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    Ispin wrote: »
    What's really wrong with P O'Connell. Are we being given the full story?

    He's got red hair, and he's from Limerick!!!

    (sorry I couldnt resist! - actually one of my favorite players)


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    McGilla wrote: »
    He's got red hair, and he's from Limerick!!!

    (sorry I couldnt resist! - actually one of my favorite players)

    I laughed. Unfortunately theres some very sensitive posters on this forum who are probably frantically reporting your post and writting strongly worded complaints to the moderators :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 Amazotheamazing
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    I wouldn't put much faith in the depression rumours, I remember being told he was laid up in hospital and might never play again about 20 minutes before I saw him walking around Superquinn after the last RWC.


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    TheTMO wrote: »
    DarkJager is a Munster fan so I doubt it's malicious. I don't expect you to confirm or deny the rumour but it's widely known O'Connell has personal mental issues and has even been talked about by national pundits. I really don't know why stating that fact is deemed as despicable or malicious as that comes across as labelling depression as something to be ashamed of or embarassed. If anything O'Connell's struggles make me respect him more.
    An rumour that is untrue is malicious as is carrying it onwards.
    While its an aside as Paul O'Connell is actually injured, any other area of this guy's life is none of my or your business unless he deems it so.


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    i heard on the news that he has to have surgery for a condition known as ostebsis pubis (spelled incorrectly Ill bet). anyway its fairly nasty and retires players from field sports. It's to do with the pubic bone. its a lot worse than say having a hernia, cos you can patch a hernia and be back training in 4-6 weeks and in many cases sooner. try googling this, it's very common in rugby and footballers and also ice hockey players. Aparently the more muscle on your frame, the worse it gets. And our paul is a big fella!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 McGilla
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    TheTMO wrote: »
    I laughed. Unfortunately theres some very sensitive posters on this forum who are probably frantically reporting your post and writting strongly worded complaints to the moderators :D

    Really? I hope not!!!

    I play Rugby, and Ive had a few friend have an infection in the pubic bone or something similar (clearly im not a Dr.) and it has caused them endless, recovery periods only to train once, and be out for 3 - 4 months again, so I'd say it is what they say.

    As for depression, Id say Paul is depressed, but from not playing as he loves the game so much!I doubt its keeping him from returning!

    Get well soon Paul!!! (just in case he googles himself!):D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,415 chupacabra
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    An rumour that is untrue is malicious as is carrying it onwards.

    This is the kind of post that really irks a lot of users on this forum. You are in no position to confirm or deny a rumor like this so don't even try it. No matter what your position within the IRFU, unless you are a close friend or family member of Paulie you can't say whether its untrue or not.

    If it turns out to be true then i think we are entitled to discuss it in a sensitive and tasteful manner from a rugby point of view. Until it has been 100% confirmed or until the player himself says anything about it then i think we are better off ignoring it.


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    I heard he has a medical condition of the nether regions, not the one mentioned previously, and if true, I wish him a speedy recovery.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 JustinDee
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    chupacabra wrote: »
    This is the kind of post that really irks a lot of users on this forum. You are in no position to confirm or deny a rumor like this so don't even try it. No matter what your position within the IRFU, unless you are a close friend or family member of Paulie you can't say whether its untrue or not

    The rumours I discussed are exactly that: rumours.
    If this "irks" you then so be it.
    I can call bullsh, like anyone else can, as I know that these rumours are baseless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 thomond2006
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    The rumours I discussed are exactly that: rumours.
    If this "irks" you then so be it.
    I can call bullsh, like anyone else can, as I know that these rumours are baseless.

    I'm not trying to have a go but must you keep up with the "I know something but I'm not telling you anything else" stuff? It's really annoying.

    If you know something and can say it, say it. If you know something and cannot say it, then say nothing at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,415 chupacabra
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    as I know that these rumours are baseless.

    You don't know anything for sure. You just dont. Are you in POCs head? Are you his psychologist? Are you THAT high up in the IRFU that such sensitive information comes into your possession wily nilly? The majority of your posts on this forum have a very holier than thou air to it, maybe thats just what i see but you tend to claim to know the facts without ever backing up where this knowledge comes from. Like it or not everyone on this forum sees you as a de facto "official IRFU spokesperson" when it comes to matters like this and your posts carry a lot of weight because of this very fact. You probably should never have mentioned that you worked for the IRFU in the first place.

    The fact of the matter is, with the position you hold within the IRFU you cant just come in here and claim rumors as untrue unless you can back that up with facts. I'd love to know if your superiors are aware of your activity on this forum or if they endorse it. Maybe its your job to come onto public message boards and call bullshít on every rumor and criticism of the IRFU.

    It would help if we knew your position within the IRFU. For all i know you clean the toilets at IRFU HQ :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,255 anonymous_joe
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    I'd not heard the depression stuff, but he certainly lost a tonne of money.

    Anyway, the osteosis pubis (spelling?) people are mentioning is a very debilitating injury for a sports player.

    Would take months to recover from.

    Actually, if he does miss six or nine months as a result of this, he may have a slightly longer career really. So there's a silver lining.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 McGilla
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    chupacabra wrote: »
    You don't know anything for sure. You just dont. Are you in POCs head? Are you his psychologist? Are you THAT high up in the IRFU that such sensitive information comes into your possession wily nilly? The majority of your posts on this forum have a very holier than thou air to it, maybe thats just what i see but you tend to claim to know the facts without ever backing up where this knowledge comes from. Like it or not everyone on this forum sees you as a de facto "official IRFU spokesperson" when it comes to matters like this and your posts carry a lot of weight because of this very fact. You probably should never have mentioned that you worked for the IRFU in the first place.

    The fact of the matter is, with the position you hold within the IRFU you cant just come in here and claim rumors as untrue unless you can back that up with facts. I'd love to know if your superiors are aware of your activity on this forum or if they endorse it. Maybe its your job to come onto public message boards and call bullshít on every rumor and criticism of the IRFU.

    It would help if we knew your position within the IRFU. For all i know you clean the toilets at IRFU HQ :pac:

    A bit harsh!!!:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 enda1
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    That is nothing more than a despicable malicious rumour and is entirely untrue.

    Why react so strongly at the suggestion of a mental illness as opposed to a physical one?

    Is it somehow inherently worse or debases his character more?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,415 chupacabra
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    McGilla wrote: »
    A bit harsh!!!:eek:

    Its a joke McGilla, you remember those right? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,207 durkadurka
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    enda1 wrote: »
    Why react so strongly at the suggestion of a mental illness as opposed to a physical one?

    Is it somehow inherently worse or debases his character more?

    In fairness, in a lot of people's eyes trere is a stigma attached to it.


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