Inferno Ranbat Survey

Azza

Hi guys as I said to some of you at the last Ranbat I was going to be taking a survey on your thoughts on the current structure (pricing, rules etc) of the Inferno Ranbat. Since this a community driven event all your opinions carry equal weight (unless you play Guile) So in the interests of fairness and giving me the excuse to blame everything on democracy in the event anything goes wrong let us begin.

So a couple of things up for discussion.

First up, the date of the next Ranbat.
Ideally I would want to run it in late January but as I'm off on holiday from around the 17th of January for two weeks thats not going to be possible. Leaving one of three choices, someone else host the event, or I can host one on any of the following dates, the 2nd, the 9th or possibly the 16th of January or leave it till a Saturday in February. Just briefly state your preference.


Secondly the entry fee and prize pot.
Currently at €15.00, €10.00 of which goes to the prize pot the other €5.00 going to paying for console rental. Would you guys like to see this stay the same, drop to €10.00 as some people previously suggested or change to some other figure (lower, higher or in between). Also what is your current preference for the percentage of splitting the pot among the winners and how many people should get a cut. Or also if you feel Dr Doom should simply pay for everything just say so

Thirdly the rules and tournament format.
These currently are as follows.

Format: Single set group stages, followed by best of 3 sets double elimination. Each set is best of 3 rounds.

Rules:
All characters allowed.
In game button binding allowed.
Deliberate use of turbo will result in instant disqualification from the tournament.
Double blind select available if requested to ensure no counter picking.
Coin toss to be used if needed to decide preferred side select.
Consistent disruptive behavior can result in disqualification.
Pausing the game will forfeit the round being played, unless both players agree to restart. In the event of a dispute, one of the organizers will resolve the matter. His decision is final.

2 New rules I will be putting forward for consideration.

Console choice.
If players can not agree on which console to play on a coin is tossed and the winner gets to choose their console of choice. If these players meet again then later on in the or in future tournaments the winner of the orginal coin toss is obligated to allow his opponent to choose his console of choice and the decision alternates between the two from there on in.

Character changing during double elimination rounds.
Your only allowed change character when you loose a set. Winners must keep their character.

Anyway are you happy with this format and rules or is there anything you would like to see changed.

General thoughts?
Also just to get generally feed back or if you want to discuss anything not covered with the above topics. Is there anything you want to see at future events (bar banning Guile of course) or is any area you feel could be improved on.

Finally I'm looking for a volunteer to help me run the ranbats in future. Not because I feel I can't handle it, but I want a bit of free time to concentrate on playing rather than playing my matches cold.

Retr0gamer

Dan Mirror matches instead of coin tosses :P

I'm happy with all the rules as well as the price. Can't commit to a date for the next tournament though.

K.O.Kiki

9th January for next RanBat.
And €10 entry.
I'm certain someone can do the maths to show how many machines we need for X hrs and still have a decent payout. Unless I'm wrong, then keep all as-is.

Dreddybajs

Happy with the rules and price/prize structure, and those new rules sound fine to me. Date-wise I think waiting til at least the 9th is a good idea (new years' celebrations might still be hanging over people on the 2nd :pac:), but honestly I'll go for whatever date, it doesn't matter much to me as I live so close.

edit: Also, blag posted in the other thread that he'd be up for giving you a hand next time. If he's unavailable/not up for it I'm happy to help out.

bush

I vote for the 9th and keep the pricing structure as it is. Maybe make the group matches best of 3 games? Or more rounds per game?

Kirby

Happy with it as it is to be honest. A couple of suggestions though.

I do think more than one person should organise though. Azza got no time for casuals. Second person seems like a good idea.

I like the 15 euro pricing. We only have these things every six week or so. 15 quid isn't alot, and leaves a good prize fund.

Regarding the split, personally I would prefer it to be 60, 25, 15. I know its a bit more of a maths headache, but to me it signifies a fairer divy up.

It's alot fairer for the group matches to be best of 3 matches. We didn't do it last time due to time. That was a good decision. But if we can somehow get the groups best of 3, it will be alot fairer for those who are on the edge of qualifying everytime and keep missing out. Gives people a better chance to show their skill. And its more matches, which is always good.

I'm going to be in florida for most of January so I don't think I'll be able to make the next one....which is a shame. I've been to the last 3 so it will break my streak! 5th, 3rd, 4th. Logic would dictate I can be the only winner this time!

Still, suppose I'll be swapping one Inferno for another!

chopperbyrne

I will happily help out with the organising.

The pricing structure is fine.

Having extra matches in the group stages would be great in an ideal world, but it takes us until about six to get the comp finished as is. The time taken for all those extra games adds up fast.

Doctor DooM

I'm in bed sick off work so I will try and make this brief so I can go back to sleep.

Azza wrote: »

Hi guys as I said to some of you at the last Ranbat I was going to be taking a survey on your thoughts on the current structure (pricing, rules etc) of the Inferno Ranbat. Since this a community driven event all your opinions carry equal weight (unless you play Guile) So in the interests of fairness and giving me the excuse to blame everything on democracy in the event anything goes wrong let us begin.

Agreed. I would take it as a given that a Guile players opinion is worth double, naturally.

Azza wrote: »

First up, the date of the next Ranbat.
Ideally I would want to run it in late January but as I'm off on holiday from around the 17th of January for two weeks thats not going to be possible. Leaving one of three choices, someone else host the event, or I can host one on any of the following dates, the 2nd, the 9th or possibly the 16th of January or leave it till a Saturday in February. Just briefly state your preference.

Lets go with 9th, IMO, because you do need someone to help as you're a single point of failure but let them get used to running one WITH you first.

Azza wrote: »

Secondly the entry fee and prize pot.
Currently at €15.00, €10.00 of which goes to the prize pot the other €5.00 going to paying for console rental. Would you guys like to see this stay the same, drop to €10.00 as some people previously suggested or change to some other figure (lower, higher or in between). Also what is your current preference for the percentage of splitting the pot among the winners and how many people should get a cut. Or also if you feel Dr Doom should simply pay for everything just say so

I am happy with it at 15 tbh. I think people are missing that the price point also brings the opportunity to play people who you'd never normally get to play. I can't see any but the most dedicated people from the north coming down for a 50% smaller pot (which it would be at 10).

Azza wrote: »

Thirdly the rules and tournament format.
These currently are as follows.

Format: Single set group stages, followed by best of 3 sets double elimination. Each set is best of 3 rounds.

Rules:
All characters allowed.
In game button binding allowed.
Deliberate use of turbo will result in instant disqualification from the tournament.
Double blind select available if requested to ensure no counter picking.
Coin toss to be used if needed to decide preferred side select.
Consistent disruptive behavior can result in disqualification.
Pausing the game will forfeit the round being played, unless both players agree to restart. In the event of a dispute, one of the organizers will resolve the matter. His decision is final.

2 New rules I will be putting forward for consideration.

Console choice.
If players can not agree on which console to play on a coin is tossed and the winner gets to choose their console of choice. If these players meet again then later on in the or in future tournaments the winner of the orginal coin toss is obligated to allow his opponent to choose his console of choice and the decision alternates between the two from there on in.

Character changing during double elimination rounds.
Your only allowed change character when you loose a set. Winners must keep their character.

Anyway are you happy with this format and rules or is there anything you would like to see changed.

Twice on Saturday the person I was playing with was interfered wth- not on purpose or anything, but it did happen- considering it's a public place, it might be worth thinking about what happens when there's "outside interference", to borrow the wrestling term.

Azza wrote: »

General thoughts?
Also just to get generally feed back or if you want to discuss anything not covered with the above topics. Is there anything you want to see at future events (bar banning Guile of course) or is any area you feel could be improved on.

Finally I'm looking for a volunteer to help me run the ranbats in future. Not because I feel I can't handle it, but I want a bit of free time to concentrate on playing rather than playing my matches cold.

I could do with a hand with filming too. Watching the camera, and maybe retrieving information about who's playing when (I've had to gess which Bison/ Ryu is which lots of times from play style!). I also think I am missing good matches because I've been fighting.

I know this isn't anything you have to worry about but it looks like the thread to put it out there in.

time permitting I would also like best of 3 sets in the groups but I understand there's time problems.

Leprekaun

After some thought, I think the pricing is alright. Like many said, its done every once in a while so I guess its alright.

I'd be willing to run the next tournament but I'd have to confirm at a slightly later date. I have all the gear ready here on my PC so just a matter of printing another set of sheets and I've made some notes on how to improve with running it (based on the tournament that Azza and I managed).

I'll have a look at the EVO ruleset as well to understand the story with the rules. I agree though that more people are needed for the organisational part due to the number of machines the tournament is run on (average of 4-5) so with the group stage in particular, it'd definitely be better if perhaps 1 person from each group take down the scores of all the games of their group.

One thing though is that I have a condition to managing it, it must be called "Inferno Ranbat without gay characters like Sagat"

L31mr0d

Azza wrote: »

Character changing during double elimination rounds.
Your only allowed change character when you loose a set. Winners must keep their character.

Not that it would impact me in anyway but what is the reasoning behind this recommendation?

chopperbyrne

L31mr0d wrote: »

Not that it would impact me in anyway but what is the reasoning behind this recommendation?

It avoids counter picking a counter pick.

If you lose, you can change to a character that you think might give you a better chance of winning, but then the other player who won could just wait for you to pick and counter-pick you.

All major tournaments use this rule.

bush

chopperbyrne wrote: »

It avoids counter picking a counter pick.

If you lose, you can change to a character that you think might give you a better chance of winning, but then the other player who won could just wait for you to pick and counter-pick you.

All major tournaments use this rule.

I thought we used this rule already anyway?

chopperbyrne

So did I.

Edit: Azza was listing the current rules and looking for feedback it appears.

D4RK ONION

[QUOTE=Leprekaun;63411420One thing though is that I have a condition to managing it, it must be called "Inferno Ranbat without gay characters like Sagat"[/QUOTE]

I'd be extremely concerned with any characters getting banned. IMO if you're good enough, you can deal with anyone's character.

L31mr0d

chopperbyrne wrote: »

If you lose, you can change to a character that you think might give you a better chance of winning, but then the other player who won could just wait for you to pick and counter-pick you.

It just seems to favour punishing the winner. Surely neither the loser or the winner should be allowed to counter pick.

I mean surely the character selection should always be blind to rule out counter picking entirely. If the winner wants to switch to a different character I don't understand why they are punished and forced to stick with the one they picked first?

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Edit: Azza was listing the current rules and looking for feedback it appears.

Well he said it was a new rule so I'm guessing it hasn't been officially enforced at the ranbats yet.

A-Trak

bush wrote: »

I vote for the 9th and keep the pricing structure as it is. Maybe make the group matches best of 3 games? Or more rounds per game?

+1 to all this.

I'd be for adding keeping the group matches at one match, but each match is best of 5 rounds.
I know there's the argument that it would add extra time to the tourney, but realistically it would add only a couple of minutes to each groups running time.

Once groups are drawn, and people know who are in their group, the group stages generally move along at a brisk pace. The bottlenecks and delays tend to occur before and after groups.

Pricing is fine by me, I think you get a lot for your €15.

I'd be for another comp on the 9th January, one a month is certainly not overkill in my view.

Doctor DooM

D4RK ONION wrote: »

I'd be extremely concerned with any characters getting banned. IMO if you're good enough, you can deal with anyone's character.

It's a running joke. Much like Terry using anyone other than Sagat.


(that was an example of the running joke)

D4RK ONION

Whoops! I know about Top Tier Terry, never saw that one before though

Jim

To me the price is slightly too high with the view of getting more/new players into the tournament. I know at least 4 people I can think of off hand who would come if it was cheaper, and probably more than that if I started asking around. Even for me atm €15 is kinda pushing it in terms of my own finances. Its just a pity we have to pay for the consoles etc.

I think €12 would be a nice compromise, but it seems most people are fine with the current price. Not a big deal as we got quite an impressive turnout last Saturday, but I'd just like to see more people getting involved. (although I do tell these people to get their asses to the casuals if they can't afford the tournaments).

Apart from that I'm pretty happy with everything else in the tournament.

[Edit] I'd also like if the group stages were best of 3 games. This is problematic with time I know but I think it would just make for a much better tournament. To pay €15 for 3, maybe 4 competitive games isn't great imo.[/Edit]

Cunny-Funt

Firstly, thanks to Azza he puts a lot of work into this stuff.

I'll be brief, I would much rather best of 3 for all games (unless we have like crazy numbers like 50+)

Maybe someone else helping out azza can speed things up. I mean there must be some other way to speed things up so as to not have to sacrifice letting people play more than one game to decide the out come.

I'd be far far happier with the price if we could have this. But if we must keep the current way in regards to sets, I'd be leaning more towards reducing the price.

chopperbyrne

If we were to have best of three in the group stages, then it would mean starting earlier. One o'clock at the very latest.

Do people want to get up even earlier than they already have to? What about the people who are coming half way across the country by bus who just can't make it that early?

Everyone would like to have more games in the group stages, but logistically, it's unlikely to happen.

bush

I think the actual time it takes to play the groups isnt that long at all. The group I was in was finished really fast. Im not sure why other groups were still playing long after ours had finished though.
Its like a trak said theres a delay before and after the groups. Maybe using a laptop would help this, I dunno cos ive no idea how the groups are organized.
I think the tournaments are getting quicker every time though, this one went fairly fast in my opinion.
Maybe we could try best of 3 matches for the next one, just to see how it goes.

Kirby

Couple of things.

An extra few rounds in the group stages would take about an extra five minutes. Maybe ten minutes if they are close matches. It's not alot.

The time is eaten up by the draw....not the games. People weren't writing down the results after each game in the groups and many groups didn't record the rounds either. THIS is what causes delays because Azza was forced to figure out who won what.

It wouldn't be that hard to fit more games in to keep everyone happy. We just need to streamline the draw a little bit. And to be fair, its gotten quicker every time we have done it. It took an hour to sort out the first draw at Inferno 3. This time, the group stages were drawn in about 10 minutes. Much better. We have loads of time tbh.

Azza

We could try changing the rounds but I think we are talking at least an hour to an hour and half of additional play time for the tournament if do change the groups to best of 3 sets. We would really need to start before 2:00pm with no waiting for late arrivals as when starts approaching 7:00pm to 8:00pm people have to get buses.

Also just to add my own voice I'm obviously pretty much in favor of the current pricing structure and format of the tournaments.

D4RK ONION

I think we should have the tournament in Clare. You all know it makes sense
>_>
<_<

fake_roogle

Fine with everything as it is, not too bothered whether people want groups to be one or bo3 sets.

I can do the 2nd and the 16th onwards, 9th is out of the question for me as I have an exam that morning (yeah, I have an exam on Saturday. :-/)

Kirby

fake_roogle wrote: »

I can do the 2nd and the 16th onwards, 9th is out of the question for me as I have an exam that morning (yeah, I have an exam on Saturday. :-/)

Ouch. Do these eggheads who decide to host an exam on a saturday not understand that this is official street fighter day?

Still, I can just picture in the middle of an exam somebody shouting out "FADC Ultra!!!!"

Ry

I'd say price is ok if group stages are best of 3 sets. This would allow people to change to a secondary character or whatever if they wanted.

Starting earlier wouldn't be all that bad. We've all had to be somewhere early before and made it. IF the numbers are too great then maybe do best of 7 rounds as at least that would let people have a good stint but in fairness best of 3 is more akin to tournament' yonder . A single best of 3 round fight is way too little for the price at 15 in my opinion.

Otherwise rules are good and fair play to you Azza for running the last one which went very smoothly.

Retr0gamer

I think you should have each group around one machine and give them a sheet of paper to record the results. Would stop the confusion of having one person having to record every game.

chopperbyrne

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I think you should have each group around one machine and give them a sheet of paper to record the results. Would stop the confusion of having one person having to record every game.

That's what was done, but people didn't record them, or didn't record them properly.

A-Trak

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Everyone would like to have more games in the group stages, but logistically, it's unlikely to happen.

Ok so, why not then trial it at the next tourney as bush suggests.
And as a trial we could keep it one set per group matches as it currently is, yet make it best of 5 rounds rather then best of three that it currently is?

This would only be a marginal increase timewise, and would give more play time to all.

It would then give a good indicator as to whether best of 3 sets would be viable timewise for the next tourney.

Jim

I am also in the opinion that most of the time taken is getting the groups sorted and then some time wasting inbetween stages of the tournament. Once the actual groups sit down and play it takes no time at all.

L31mr0d

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I think you should have each group around one machine and give them a sheet of paper to record the results. Would stop the confusion of having one person having to record every game.

I agree. The majority of the administration could be handled by the players themselves, and doesn't require someone walking around, asking who won what and how many rounds where won... etc. I can't see people lying or fudging the numbers.

Give each group its own sheet to fill in and a handful of pens and leave them to it. Assign everyone a number and maybe give people stickers to stick on their arm so that if player 8 needs to play player 14 he can quickly identify him in the crowd.

@chopperbyrne: Why do you think it didn't work out at the last tourny? I think it's a case of group mentality, when no one person can be held responsible, nobody tends to be responsible.

I'd say finalizing the groups before hand would help and assigning someone in each group to make sure they fill out the sheet is needed. If nobody steps forward for the task then pick straws. If people want to get more games in, and for it to run faster then the admin load will need to be shared.

K.O.Kiki

BO5 rounds for group stage would add 1-2 minutes per match, max.
I think it's a nice compromise between the current format & FT2 matches.

EXCEPT it also creates a slight difference when it comes to the double-elimination stage (BO3 rounds, FT2 matches). So uhh... it's also kind of bad.

Also, IMHO BO5 rounds really hurts Akuma because it stops him from attempting Demons (as Demon gives 2 EX to the opponent, so you usually only see Demons in the last round).

Ken B

5 rounds would kinda knock the whole system outta whack..... But I think €15 for potentially six rounds ican seem quite steep. I think they should trial the best of 3 fights in the group stage.
Time factors could be eliminated if the groups were finalized and picked the night before(with a confirmed attendance list, of course).

OR the whole tournament could be a double elimination knockout format....the stakes would be higher and everyone would be guaranteed a minimum of more fights(4, at least).
Old style Carling Cup/Champion's League(European Cup)for the win!!!!!!:D

chopperbyrne

I personally can't stand best of five round matches and would rather we use best of three matches if we were to try anything different.

Leimrod, I'm not sure why it didn't work. I recorded the results for a group I was watching before mine started and I was in Azza's group so he recorded ours.

One of the other things that slows things down is waiting for a PS3 or xbox to be free when someone can only use a DS3 or 360 controller.

I will happily help run things, but if we're going to add more matches then we will have to be much more strict when it comes to late arrivals.

Azza

I don't think the group draw actually or the brackets take that long to do, your talking 10 to 15 minutes each so a total of a half an hour at most. I only started doing the draw at like 1:55PM and we got going like 20 minutes later.

To do the groups I need to know who is attending so I kinda have to wait for the last possible moment. Then I need to know the total numbers to work out the group size. But it still does not take long.

For the double elmination brackets I can't complete the draw till all groups are finished and my group was last to finish due to me being admin and playing last. But once I have the info it really does not take that long.

It would be nice to do the draw before the event but as I said before I don't know who will be there. We usually get one or two walk in's and one or two no shows. Also I would prefer if people could see the draw so I can't be accused of rigging it

Ry

Assign Group leaders who correlate the data from each of their groups and submit it to you making it easier on you having to monitor individual group matches.

That would streamline things a bit meaning you'd only have to then enter in who's gone through to the next round at which point numbers are easier to manage and monitor.

DarkTalant

Personally I find 1 round too short even for the group stages, it seems that the matches are over almost before they start... However with the time constraints best off 3 rounds might take too long....
'Tis a problem alright...
Apart from that everything is grand... anytime in january(except 2nd of course) suits me for the next one as far as I know...

Ken B

How about bigger groups? For more games?

Azza

Just to clarify

A group of 4 requires 6 sets with if its 1 set match. Each player has 3 sets.
A group of 5 requires 10 sets if its a 1 set match. Each player has 4 sets.
A group of 6 requires 15 sets is its a 1 set match. Each player has 5 sets.

A group of 4 requires between 8-12 sets if its a best of 3 set match. Each player would have between 6-9 sets.
A group of 5 requires between 20-30 sets if its a best of 3 set match. Each player would have between 8-12 sets.
A group of 6 requires between 30-45 sets if its a best of 3 set match.
Each player would have between 10-15 sets.

The size of the groups is determined by the number of players. We need to get 16 from the group stages to proceed to the next round.

Currently we have using groups of 4 and 5. If we just increase the sets to best of 5 rounds we will only be expanding the play time by at most 10 additionally minutes which is perfectly manageable. Increasing the number of sets will double the time the group stages take. It might be just doable but its going be tight with some people and buses. I think the tournament last time finished up some time after 6:00pm so I reckon extending the group sets will cause the tournament to finish around 7:30pm to 8:00pm unless we start at 1:00pm sharp with no delays or waiting for people to show.

Retr0gamer

Some of the muck savages have to go home early at 6 at the latest to catch their bus/train home though. That wouldn't be fair on them.

I don't mind paying 15 euros for the tournaments even though I never make it out of the group stages. There's plenty of casuals going on for people who are knocked out and you have the final 16 which is always entertaining to watch.

I think it should be kept at 1 best of 3 set at group stages to make it less of a headache.

Cobelcog

Any of the January dates would be fine for me. Also, I'd like to see the entry fee stay at €15. The prize pot distribution is fine as is.

I agree that the one match in the group stages is too short but I also understand that we have to be realistic with regards to time. I'd say just keep it at one match but boost up the number of rounds.

On the rule of Console Choice, my opinion on that would depend on the context. In the case of PS3 pad player Vs. 360 pad player, I'd be fine with that. There's not much else you can do. I've had a look around for some 360 - PS3 converters but from what I hear, they're not that reliable. I'd imagine that the PS - 360 ones would come with a similar disadvantage.

In the case of a Stick user Vs a pad player, I can't see how it's fair. I'm aware that the Xboxes in the XGC are a bit iffy but I've only been a day so I'm not sure about how bad they actually are and whether or not they warrant such a debate. But surely both players at this disadvantage is better than one player at a disadvantage of control? Unless both players want to play with unfamiliar controllers for a bit which I doubt.

chopperbyrne

Apparently there is a pad-hack for a PS3 board in a 360 shell.

Sounds like a job for Kiki...

bush

Cobelcog wrote: »

Any of the January dates would be fine for me. Also, I'd like to see the entry fee stay at €15. The prize pot distribution is fine as is.

I agree that the one match in the group stages is too short but I also understand that we have to be realistic with regards to time. I'd say just keep it at one match but boost up the number of rounds.

On the rule of Console Choice, my opinion on that would depend on the context. In the case of PS3 pad player Vs. 360 pad player, I'd be fine with that. There's not much else you can do. I've had a look around for some 360 - PS3 converters but from what I hear, they're not that reliable. I'd imagine that the PS - 360 ones would come with a similar disadvantage.

In the case of a Stick user Vs a pad player, I can't see how it's fair. I'm aware that the Xboxes in the XGC are a bit iffy but I've only been a day so I'm not sure about how bad they actually are and whether or not they warrant such a debate. But surely both players at this disadvantage is better than one player at a disadvantage of control? Unless both players want to play with unfamiliar controllers for a bit which I doubt.

Its just the tvs that the 360's are hooked up to are ****ty and sometimes laggy whereas the ps3's are all sony tvs and work fairly well. If its 2 players that use sticks its better to play on ps3 cos there is plenty of sticks to go round.
In your case I doubt any stick player would make you play on ps3 or even have any problem playing on 360. Im not sure what would happen if a 360 pad and ps3 pad player met, I dont think its ever happened.

Azza

The Walker TV's connected to the Xbox 360 are in my opinion awful. Input lag seems usually big. Its not a matter of controls for me but I just purely prefer the PS3 because there doesn't appear to be any input lag at all on those TV's. Its like an entirely different game from the one I play at home. I know several other people who are of the same opinion. We asked if we could get them to change the TV's around to have some Xbox 360's on the Sony TV's but they would not do it.

Neither scenario is ideal, but if a player insists on player on a particular console what choice do we have but to flick a coin. Ideally the best thing would be for everyone to have dual mods or a stick/pad they can use on both formats but again not everyone can afford such things.

Cunny-Funt

bush wrote: »

. Im not sure what would happen if a 360 pad and ps3 pad player met, I dont think its ever happened.

its has twice

1st time was at lan party and we played on the PC version. Which was great.

Then last time we played on the 360 and I used my ps1 pad instead of ps3 and a converter. Not fantastic as its stiff but better than nothing. I was more frustrated with it being only 1 set than anything else. Not that I think I would have won :pac:

I bring up the idea of me bringing in my laptop every now and then. It'd be a good solution to this but my hesitation is due to the fact that its running off a 65w charger and not a 90w which it needs. Thus it runs slower.

So while I can run SFIV at 60 fps on it, I've never played a decent versus session on it before so I'm just not 100% sure how well it'd perform. I'd hate to have a frame slow down on people playing a tourney.

Cobelcog

Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up, guys. I wouldn't object to buying an extra controller for use on the PS3 if it's the ideal console for these meets. However, the 360 pad is what I'm familiar with and I'm not exactly tech-savvy.

Leprekaun

D4RK ONION wrote: »

I'd be extremely concerned with any characters getting banned. IMO if you're good enough, you can deal with anyone's character.

You're another one to add to my list of "people who don't get my humour" :pac:

I think the only way to make the draw faster is to set a time (say 15 mins) to end registration to give the organiser at least 15 mins to organise groups. Something I was thinking about for the groups is maybe just assign each top seed to a different group (which I'm sure you lads have done already) but instead of drawing names for the different groups, just put the names down based on the registration list so for example if it were in groups of 5 (bush + registrants 1-4 / blag + registrants 5-9 etc.) because it more the drawing that takes up wasted time. Another thing as well is change. I remember at the first tourney, I had to take notes down of how much change each person needs/payments to be made after the tourney so it took up a little bit of time there so ideally, it would be best if everyone could just make sure they have the exact change rather than trying to break 20s or 50s.

Kirby

Im convinced the input lag is in peoples heads. No doubt the sony's are better.....the colour depth and contrast ratio are there for all to see. And there might be a couple ms difference. Maybe. But i've played on both numerous times and don't feel a noticable difference. To me, it seems like the placebo effect....and once its in your head it wont go out. When you miss a link on the ps3 you dont think anything of it, but on the 360 tv's suddenly its Lagzors!!11!

I understand preference for a console due to your controller, but preferences over tv's are over the top. We are all in there, playing on the same equipment.

Leprekaun

From reading the multi-platform review on Eurogamer, they said there is no difference at all. It could be a refresh rate thing between the TVs though which if there is a considerable difference, it can easily be noticed but I can't comment much on this as I've only played a max of 2 or 3 proper games on the PS3s.