Ireland squad announced for July training camp

chupacabra

IRELAND SQUAD (Summer Training Camp, Belfast, July 26-29, 2009):

Backs (17) -

Isaac Boss (Ballymena/Ulster)
Darren Cave (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
Ian Dowling (Shannon/Munster)
Gavin Duffy (Galwegians/Connacht)
Shane Horgan (Boyne/Leinster)
Denis Hurley (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Felix Jones (Seapoint/Munster)
Ian Keatley (Galwegians/Connacht)
Fergus McFadden (UCD/Leinster)
Barry Murphy (UL Bohemians/Munster)
Johne Murphy (Leicester Tigers)
Niall O'Connor (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Peter Stringer (Shannon/Munster)
Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)
Paddy Wallace (Ballymena/Ulster)
Ian Whitten (Ballymena/Ulster)

Forwards (19) -

Tony Buckley (Shannon/Munster)
Ryan Caldwell (Dungannon/Ulster)
Tom Court (Malone/Ulster)
Sean Cronin (Buccaneers/Connacht)
Leo Cullen (Blackrock College/Leinster)
Jerry Flannery (Shannon/Munster)
Denis Fogarty (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)
Chris Henry (Ballymena/Ulster)
Marcus Horan (Shannon/Munster)
Shane Jennings (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Denis Leamy (Cork Constitution/Munster)
John Muldoon (Galwegians/Connacht)
Mick O'Driscoll (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Niall Ronan (Shannon/Munster)
Mike Ross (Unallocated/Leinster)
Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)
Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Brett Wilkinson (Galwegians/Connacht)

Crash

Surprised to see no Reddan in the backs.

danthefan

Crash wrote: »

Surprised to see no Reddan in the backs.

Or Rory Best in the forwards.

I also wonder what Fionn Carr will have to do for a bit of recognition. Scoring 12 tries while playing in a terrible team obviously isn't enough.

Stev_o

So basically Ireland A training camp, these players will benefit from it. Great for Wilkinson he'd be a great edition to the Irish squad.

Robbo

Stev_o wrote: »

So basically Ireland A training camp, these players will benefit from it. Great for Wilkinson he'd be a great edition to the Irish squad.

Wilkinson trained at some stage with the squad around the 6N but wasn't qualified at that stage. Great that he's being recognised for development as he has a huge potential.

phog

danthefan wrote: »

Or Rory Best in the forwards.

I also wonder what Fionn Carr will have to do for a bit of recognition. Scoring 12 tries while playing in a terrible team obviously isn't enough.

Don't know about Reddan or Carr but afaik Best will be on honeymoon.

Size=everything

How Dowling or Hurley got ahead of Carr I'll never know and why oh why is Mick O'Driscoll there once again? Sean O'Brien?? criminally overlooked. (unless hes still injured from CC?)

Good to see Ross finally get some recognition from the IRFU.

But god damnit Dowling, Hurley and MOD do not deserve to be there. Sick of these below average players getting ahead of players such as Fionn Carr.

thomond2006

Back Three
Ian Dowling (Shannon/Munster)
Gavin Duffy (Galwegians/Connacht)
Shane Horgan (Boyne/Leinster)
Denis Hurley (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Felix Jones (Seapoint/Munster)
Johne Murphy (Leicester Tigers)
Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)

Centres
Darren Cave (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
Fergus McFadden (UCD/Leinster)
Barry Murphy (UL Bohemians/Munster)
Paddy Wallace (Ballymena/Ulster)
Ian Whitten (Ballymena/Ulster)

Fly Halves
Ian Keatley (Galwegians/Connacht)
Niall O'Connor (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College/Leinster)

Scrum Halves
Isaac Boss (Ballymena/Ulster)
Peter Stringer (Shannon/Munster)



Props
Tony Buckley (Shannon/Munster)
Tom Court (Malone/Ulster)
Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)
Marcus Horan (Shannon/Munster)
Brett Wilkinson (Galwegians/Connacht)
Mike Ross (Unallocated/Leinster)

Hookers
Sean Cronin (Buccaneers/Connacht)
Jerry Flannery (Shannon/Munster)
Denis Fogarty (Cork Constitution/Munster)

Second Rows
Ryan Caldwell (Dungannon/Ulster)
Leo Cullen (Blackrock College/Leinster)
Mick O'Driscoll (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)
Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster)

Back Rows
Chris Henry (Ballymena/Ulster)
Shane Jennings (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Denis Leamy (Cork Constitution/Munster)
John Muldoon (Galwegians/Connacht)
Niall Ronan (Shannon/Munster)

itsallaboutheL

One real question i'd have is what is Denis Fogarty doing there??

IMO he's a very good AIL player that should stay there

Stev_o

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

One real question i'd have is what is Denis Fogarty doing there??

IMO he's a very good AIL player that should stay there

Development.

People seem forget that this whole training camp is trying to invest in these players and make them better as a result of the experience they got from training at such a high level.

dreamer_ire

Any idea where this will happen or if the sessions are open to the public?

rockman15

why in the name of god is mick o'driscoll in that squad. when will they cop to the fact he is utterly useless in every aspect of the game. 5 second rows and 5 backrow players? sure that isnt even enough back row players to start a match!!! o'brien left out for him is utterly criminal

chupacabra

dreamer_ire wrote: »

Any idea where this will happen or if the sessions are open to the public?

Belfast and i dunno.

chupacabra

rockman15 wrote: »

why in the name of god is mick o'driscoll in that squad. when will they cop to the fact he is utterly useless in every aspect of the game. 5 second rows and 5 backrow players? sure that isnt even enough back row players to start a match!!! o'brien left out for him is utterly criminal

Christ sake, its a TRAINING CAMP. MOD will be there along with other older players to impart experience and knowledge to the younger lads. With the way ye are talking you'd swear this was a 6 nations squad announcement.... :mad:

Size=everything

chupacabra wrote: »

Christ sake, its a TRAINING CAMP. MOD will be there along with other older players to impart experience and knowledge to the younger lads. With the way ye are talking you'd swear this was a 6 nations squad announcement.... :mad:

And Cullen, Flannery, Horan, Jennings, Stringer and Horgan aren't enough experience between them? The fact is MOD is past it and besides if MOD is there for experience why not put a far better, more experienced player in MOK there instead? Its bull****. If his selection was for experience then MOK was the logical choice. The fact is I would prefer even players such as McIreney (promising second row just signed for Ospreys) or Kevin McLaughlin there instead training with the squad to gain experience as it would be more beneficial than having an aging, not international standard journey man in the squad. And to think his inclusion might of even been the reason a player like Fionn Carr missed out.

And if I find out Sean O'Brien is fit and not selected I will be fuming :mad:

rockman15

Size=everything wrote: »

And Cullen, Flannery, Horan, Jennings, Stringer and Horgan aren't enough experience between them? The fact is MOD is past it and besides if MOD is there for experience why not put a far better, more experienced player in MOK there instead? Its bull****. If his selection was for experience then MOK was the logical choice. The fact is I would prefer even players such as McIreney (promising second row just signed for Ospreys) or Kevin McLaughlin there instead training with the squad to gain experience as it would be more beneficial than having an aging, not international standard journey man in the squad. And to think his inclusion might of even been the reason a player like Fionn Carr missed out.

And if I find out Sean O'Brien is fit and not selected I will be fuming :mad:

my sentiments exactlly.....even more so if bob casey isnt injured or validly unavailable. theres a guy who should be in any irish squad

Stev_o

Christ, people are making mountains out of nothing here. Also it's very hypocritical for some people to suggest MOD shouldn't be there because he's old and then suggest MOK should be there instead! O'Brien is injured for the record.

siltirocker

i believe Fionn Carr is still injured from the 1st CC game.

Brilliant for Brett Wilkinson, if all goes to plan he will be a Kidney masterstroke!

bleg

Stev_o wrote: »

Christ, people are making mountains out of nothing here. Also it's very hypocritical for some people to suggest MOD shouldn't be there because he's old and then suggest MOK should be there instead! O'Brien is injured for the record.

Exactly, both have grand slam medals, both good experienced players.

Don't know if Horan will have much experience in the second row...

Size=everything

Stev_o wrote: »

Christ, people are making mountains out of nothing here. Also it's very hypocritical for some people to suggest MOD shouldn't be there because he's old and then suggest MOK should be there instead! O'Brien is injured for the record.

No its not its saying if your going to pick an old second row why not pick a far better and more experienced old second row.

chupacabra

Size=everything wrote: »

No its not its saying if your going to pick an old second row why not pick a far better and more experienced old second row.

Have you stopped and thought that maybe MOK has decided to hang up his international boots? Or that maybe Kidney has wiped his hands of him after he was dropped during the six nations?

Size=everything

chupacabra wrote: »

Have you stopped and thought that maybe MOK has decided to hang up his international boots? Or that maybe Kidney has wiped his hands of him after he was dropped during the six nations?

So why have MOD there? MOD will more than likely be retiring in the next 1-2 seasons and is nowhere near the standard required for international level anyway. MOK on the otherhand is good enough to start for Ireland if POC or DOC got injured and has more experience. How anyone can defend MOD's selection for an Irish squad is bad enough but over someone like MOK is just ridiculous.

danthefan

I don't even see the point of publicising this to be honest. Very very few of the players will be challenging for starting spots, Flannery, Horan and maybe Stringer of TOL doesn't recover in time, and that's it.

Size=everything

danthefan wrote: »

I don't even see the point of publicising this to be honest. Very very few of the players will be challenging for starting spots, Flannery, Horan and maybe Stringer of TOL doesn't recover in time, and that's it.

On the contray I think Sexton and Healy should 100% be starting ahead of O'Gara and Horan and theres a case with Wallace getting on and Jennings superb form this season to give him a run.

Whether we'll see Kidney allow them to challenge for a spot is another issue however :rolleyes:

thehighground

Size=everything wrote: »

No its not its saying if your going to pick an old second row why not pick a far better and more experienced old second row.

Mal was dropped during the 6Ns for poor time keeping. Hardly a good example to have around the camp which is only 3 days anyway and doesn't have any of those who were on the Lions Tour.

This is probably more for the Ireland management finalising who the fringe players are and whether they are worth an international contract or not as at a guess, there is a limit to the number of international contracts they can award. People like MOD will have a contract from last year, but if you look at the IRFU Ireland squad on their website, players like Neil Best, Boss, Trimble, Sexton and a few others are not included in the Ireland squad.

http://www.irishrugby.ie/15889_15892.php

Size=everything

thehighground wrote: »

Mal was dropped during the 6Ns for poor time keeping. Hardly a good example to have around the camp which is only 3 days anyway and doesn't have any of those who were on the Lions Tour.

This is probably more for the Ireland management finalising who the fringe players are and whether they are worth an international contract or not as at a guess, there is a limit to the number of international contracts they can award. People like MOD will have a contract from last year, but if you look at the IRFU Ireland squad on their website, players like Neil Best, Boss, Trimble, Sexton and a few others are not included in the Ireland squad.

http://www.irishrugby.ie/15889_15892.php

In that case MOK would have an international contract as well from last year.
Turning up late for training once in an international career spanning over a decade shouldn't blackmark a player for the rest of their career was it not Flannery who lost track of time doing his hair and was late for a training session? Yet I didn't see Flannery thrown out of all contention.

In my eyes I didn't want either of them and if they were so insistent on bringing another second row then would of preferred to see a young prospect such as McIreney get the experience of training with an Irish squad rather than having a journey man but if you wanted another experienced second row then for gods sake go for MOK hes twice the player MOD is!

Also Neil Best is another player... where is he???

Stev_o

Club commitments, injury personal reasons god knows. Seriously it's just a training camp not a fecking RWC squad.

thehighground

Size=everything wrote: »

In that case MOK would have an international contract as well from last year.

Probably was on a short one from last year - considering his age.[/QUOTE]

Turning up late for training once in an international career spanning over a decade shouldn't blackmark a player for the rest of their career was it not Flannery who lost track of time doing his hair and was late for a training session? Yet I didn't see Flannery thrown out of all contention.

I doubt if it was the first time - Mal is well known for his rather relaxed view about being on time. Flannery was late for a meeting, not training. Being late for training means the pack training is disrupted - far more serious and obviously something Gert Smal was not going to tolerate.

In my eyes I didn't want either of them and if they were so insistent on bringing another second row then would of preferred to see a young prospect such as McIreney get the experience of training with an Irish squad rather than having a journey man but if you wanted another experienced second row then for gods sake go for MOK hes twice the player MOD is!

MOK is probably retired now I'd say from international rugby and replaced by Leo Cullen. MOD is younger than Leo Cullen - and obviously is a top professional who can play 2nd & Backrow and plays club rugby with Ireland's first choice Locks & Hooker.

Also Neil Best is another player... where is he???

Probably in Northampton where, like most English based players, he probably could not get the time off from his English club.

Size=everything

thehighground wrote: »

Probably was on a short one from last year - considering his age.

Nope hes there on the list. But don't let that stop you from making assumptions to suit your agenda. Probably on a short one from last year considering his age lol

I doubt if it was the first time - Mal is well known for his rather relaxed view about being on time. Flannery was late for a meeting, not training. Being late for training means the pack training is disrupted - far more serious and obviously something Gert Smal was not going to tolerate.

Once again a complete and utter lie MOK is not well known for being late and I know this for a fact, once again you are completely making up things to suit your agenda, pathetic. And Flannery late for a team meeting is just as bad.

MOK is probably retired now I'd say from international rugby and replaced by Leo Cullen. MOD is younger than Leo Cullen - and obviously is a top professional who can play 2nd & Backrow and plays club rugby with Ireland's first choice Locks & Hooker.

MOK is not retired from international rugby for the third time in your reply you once again make an assumption to prove your agenda. MOD is younger but is nowhere near international standard and can't even get his game for a provincial side unlike Cullen and MOK.


Out of interest why do you feel the need to make things up to prove your argument?

wixfjord

Not hard to know where your provincial support lies size=everything!
Basically every post you have made in this has been pro leinster or anti munster!

Size=everything

wixfjord wrote: »

Not hard to know where your provincial support lies size=everything!
Basically every post you have made in this has been pro leinster or anti munster!

Oh I see so saying MOK is a better player than MOD is me just being pro leinster? come off it its common sense I could just as easily argue that someone defending MOKs choice is pro Munster but of course I won't. Its this type of thinking that has made the forum go to ****. You criticise one player and suddenly its because your support a certain province :rolleyes: