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Cheapsofts confirmed in Limerick

  • 26-01-2008 01:11PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭


    OK last time I mentioned this I could not confirm.
    That was cos the shop had not been opened yet.

    Was inside in Town a while ago. Theres a store in fox's bow
    called Brightside selling airsoft products (if you could call them that)

    Typical shop that deals all the usual crap drug parafanailla (spelling?) and cheap swords, fantasy knives and phone covers. (Similar to a certain hated
    shop in Cork)

    All the stock except an AK47 and a G36C were springers only.
    There was a Cyma Glock Springer, All the other stuff was un-branded although it looked like Cyma boxes. The stuff actually Looked quite
    good in the display!! believe it or not it was hard to tell the difference
    between the cheap crap and the good stuff.

    Shop had what looked like a Cyma AK-47 and I mentioned if it was a Cyma
    brand it could be illlegal as it would be over 1j. He brought the box out from the back of the store but it was an un-branded box. One of the AK's was
    a springer and 1 was an AEG.

    Was talking to the guy who worked there. Friendly guy and ex-army.
    He said that most of his stuff was springers because the Gardai told him he was not allowed get the other stuff (I presume he ment Propper AEG's)
    He mentioned something about not being able to get a licence to
    sell anything other than the springers.

    He also mentioned he had two pallets of his stock just disappear of the
    face of the planet before it was delivered and constantly his deliveries
    stuff was being either swiped of going missing before it reached him.
    He wanted to get in AUG's but he said he can only deal with one dealer.
    He also said he was planning a trip to China to see the factory over their.

    He mentioned there were people buying the stuff so they could remove
    the scopes, Lasers and silencers to put on their better ones they already had.

    Prices were 40-50 Euros for the Pistols (all springers Glock/Desert eagle)
    100-130 Euros for the M4/G36C/AK47 again he told me some were springers
    and not battery powered. I asked were any GBB but he said no.

    There was no must be over 18 Sign up so I am guessing he
    was selling to anyone that wanted them.
    but there was a "No Returns" sign up.

    Lots of Kids/Teenagers there and from their conversations they
    were return customers. Guy behind the counter was chatting to them
    telling them about some BB's they got in which were too big for the springers.
    (There was all cheap yellow/orange crap BB's for sale no .20g's)

    Talked to two teenagers (dunno what age they were) They
    had got stuff in the past there. They actually knew about the
    3 online Irish stores but still were going into the this shop for springers.

    ~B


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    this is exactly the crap tht i (i presume we) want stamped out

    tell me this did he have any protective gear, masks goggles etc?
    did you tell him much about your point of view, quallity gear disiplined approach
    in other words do you think he wanted to stay cheapsoft or would he get into the better side of things?

    just wondering about the attitude out there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭Hivemind187


    So long as the skirmishers and actual airsofters (not the muppet-brigade/skang-bangers) stick to the IAA affiliates then we should be unaffected by the kind of thing that goes on in these stores.

    3 online retailers and 1 walk in store is more than enough to cater to the entire republic, not to mention the dozens of HK, US and Euro retailers out there.

    While there may be room for a walk in store in each of the larger cities it would be prudent for thos who wish to see airsoft safe and sound to stick to the affiliated stores.

    I'm not shilling or banging a drum for the guys who have signed up so much as I am pointing out that they are the only ones who have agreed to adhere to our retailers guidelines. At least you'll know that you are supporting businessess that arent giving airsoft a bad name.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭bullets


    Nah he had no accessory or protective gear he only got in whatever
    was supplied with whatever dealer he was using as a supplier. He mentioned
    for anything other that what he had ya could goto the online place.

    I never thought to suggest he get in some saftey glasses or masks etc.
    it would have been a good idea to suggest it to him.

    I did not want to antagonize or aggrivate the guy in his own shop
    in anyway cos he was not breaking the law and I doubt he cared
    about my opinions. (was not sure it was my place to do so either)

    Interestingly enough there was a Mmmad shop in Limerick at one stage
    there was UPROAR from quite a lot of people in Limerick who wanted the
    place shut down. Funnely enough the shop got closed down and never
    re-opened. (not sure if it was peoples objections or some other reason)
    Same thing may happen this place if some kid arrives home to Mother with a
    bong in one hand and springer in the other.

    ~B


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    So long as the skirmishers and actual airsofters (not the muppet-brigade/skang-bangers) stick to the IAA affiliates then we should be unaffected by the kind of thing that goes on in these stores.

    3 online retailers and 1 walk in store is more than enough to cater to the entire republic, not to mention the dozens of HK, US and Euro retailers out there.

    While there may be room for a walk in store in each of the larger cities it would be prudent for thos who wish to see airsoft safe and sound to stick to the affiliated stores.

    I'm not shilling or banging a drum for the guys who have signed up so much as I am pointing out that they are the only ones who have agreed to adhere to our retailers guidelines. At least you'll know that you are supporting businessess that arent giving airsoft a bad name.

    yes hivemand i agree but the reality is that other shops will arrive
    and there are four online shops aren't there
    mia eirsoft airsifteire and i.a.s. or did they dissapear


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    bullets wrote: »
    Nah he had no accessory or protective gear he only got in whatever
    was supplied with whatever dealer he was using as a supplier. He mentioned
    for anything other that what he had ya could goto the online place.

    I never thought to suggest he get in some saftey glasses or masks etc.
    it would have been a good idea to suggest it to him.

    I did not want to antagonize or aggrivate the guy in his own shop
    in anyway cos he was not breaking the law and I doubt he cared
    about my opinions. (was not sure it was my place to do so either)

    ~B

    just wondering i think is a true test i diont mind springers being sold in a responsaible manner but no masks means trouble


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Arcto


    There was no must be over 18 Sign up so I am guessing he
    was selling to anyone that wanted them.
    but there was a "No Returns" sign up.

    In fairness you dont actually have to be any age to buy or operate any airsoft devices.

    And i thought it woulda been easyer to get a real gun in limerick? :p hehehe

    Those springers are sh1te. I bought a crappy Ruger from mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmad in cork just to see what the quality was like compared to my first springer (Pre-2006) and it was absolutle crap. I used to have a TM Automag. What a spring pistol!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭Hivemind187


    rbd wrote: »
    yes hivemand i agree but the reality is that other shops will arrive
    and there are four online shops aren't there
    mia eirsoft airsifteire and i.a.s. or did they dissapear

    MIA is primarily a walk in store. Do the adding again bro. 3+1 = ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    MIA is primarily a walk in store. Do the adding again bro. 3+1 = ?


    calm down hive, he's only a wee boy :D
    i diont mind springers being sold in a responsaible manner

    airsoft devices, regardless of whether they are gas,electric,springer shouldnt

    be sold to any little skanger, you can imagine what they'll end up doing with

    them. Only people who want to cause trouble will buy these airsofts, serious

    people will go to the proper stores.


    i agree with you hivemind that so long as we stay with the IAA affiliated

    stores that we'll avoid any comeback if any trouble is caused as a result of

    these shops selling to irresponsible people.



    :cool::cool::cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    MIA is primarily a walk in store. Do the adding again bro. 3+1 = ?


    1.is not a walk in store if you live in sligo
    2.also has a bigger range than some of the other websites so has to count as an online store
    3. mia is a banner ad on this forum as an online store


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    blay1 wrote: »
    calm down hive, he's only a wee boy :D

    yeah pick on someone yer own size

    airsoft devices, regardless of whether they are gas,electric,springer shouldnt

    be sold to any little skanger, you can imagine what they'll end up doing with

    them.

    pointing them at pat kenny?


    i agree with you hivemind that so long as we stay with the IAA affiliated

    stores that we'll avoid any comeback if any trouble is caused as a result of

    these shops selling to irresponsible people.
    i'll assume yer being ironic and say the whole thing is gonna have to change in some way


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    rbd wrote: »
    yeah pick on someone yer own size



    pointing them at pat kenny?


    i'll assume yer being ironic and say the whole thing is gonna have to change in some way

    the pistol pointed at pat kenny was a mauser and as far as i know they dont

    make airsoft versions of that model.


    rephrase that last bit, i couldnt make head nor tail of it



    :cool::cool::cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    blay1 wrote: »
    the pistol pointed at pat kenny was a mauser and as far as i know they dont

    make airsoft versions of that model.


    rephrase that last bit, i couldnt make head nor tail of it



    :cool::cool::cool:

    situation in shops that 8yr olds can by airsoft will have to change

    i feel that if summ,it isn't done soon that we'll suffer
    and i am aware of the steps being made on iaa's end but the bong shops have rights and will have to be invited to the party at least if lisences were brought in to own and buy airsoft along with international gaming lisences than it would be a sport and have the protections of a sport


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    rbd wrote: »
    situation in shops that 8yr olds can by airsoft will have to change
    i feel that if summ,it isn't done soon that we'll suffer
    and i am aware of the steps being made on iaa's end but the bong shops have rights and will have to be invited to the party at least if lisences were brought in to own and buy airsoft along with international gaming lisences than it would be a sport and have the protections of a sport



    yeah i agree with that definately



    its unlikely licences will be brought in to buy airsoft and if it did they sport

    would die just look at the uk.


    the bong shops need to be banned from selling airsofts they are only

    attracting the wrong type of person, who isnt interested in skirmishing only

    what trouble they can cause with a springer pistol.




    :cool::cool::cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    rbd wrote: »
    http://www.packrat-toyz.com/images/Airsoft/Specialized%20Dist/hgx_196%20Mauser.jpg

    airsoft mauser

    not that i'm suggesting that the kid that pointed it at pat could have been hoilding an airsoft springer and that if he'd been caught that itr would be disasterous

    thats a broomhandle mauser thats not the model that was pointed at pat

    kenny.





    :cool::cool::cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    blay1 wrote: »
    thats a broomhandle mauser thats not the model that was pointed at pat

    kenny.





    :cool::cool::cool:


    its an example
    i've edited but if you give me the model i'll show you one
    not really the point tho


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    rbd wrote: »
    its an example
    i've edited but if you give me the model i'll show you one
    not really the point tho

    yeah





    :cool::cool::cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    blay1 wrote: »
    yeah i agree with that definately



    its unlikely licences will be brought in to buy airsoft and if it did they sport

    would die just look at the uk.


    the bong shops need to be banned from selling airsofts they are only

    attracting the wrong type of person, who isnt interested in skirmishing only

    what trouble they can cause with a springer pistol.




    :cool::cool::cool:

    cant just ban peeps because they sell bongs
    otherwise theyd ban bong shops alltogether
    seedy little places


    the uk lisenses were over the top


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    rbd wrote: »
    cant just ban peeps because they sell bongs
    otherwise theyd ban bong shops alltogether
    seedy little places


    the uk lisenses were over the top



    they need to be banned from selling airsofts, they're giving the public a bad

    image of airsoft and the peoople who play it.





    :cool::cool::cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    blay1 wrote: »
    they need to be banned from selling airsofts, they're giving the public a bad

    image of airsoft and the peoople who play it.





    :cool::cool::cool:


    yes but how
    legislation can be clumsy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    rbd wrote: »
    yes but how
    legislation can be clumsy

    just restrict the sale of airsofts to shops that are affilited with the IAA and

    follow their retailer guidelines. better for everyone that way





    :cool::cool::cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    blay1 wrote: »
    just restrict the sale of airsofts to shops that are affilited with the IAA and

    follow their retailer guidelines. better for everyone that way





    :cool::cool::cool:

    thats like saying restrict the sale of cars to people that follow the aa guidelinews
    better but not feasaible


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭Hivemind187


    rbd wrote: »
    1.is not a walk in store if you live in sligo
    2.also has a bigger range than some of the other websites so has to count as an online store
    3. mia is a banner ad on this forum as an online store

    1) Only in terms of the Heisenberg uncertainty principal/shroedinger equations.
    2) They have a physical shop you can walk into, I therefore counted them seperatly, incase that missed you the first time.
    3) They trade online and in person again, the reason I counted them separately.

    Durrr.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,263 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    1) Only in terms of the Heisenberg uncertainty principal/shroedinger equations.
    2) They have a physical shop you can walk into, I therefore counted them seperatly, incase that missed you the first time.
    3) They trade online and in person again, the reason I counted them separately.

    Durrr.

    For the love of...
    Let it go already. You were wrong. Just admit it. :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    o1s1n wrote: »
    For the love of...
    Let it go already. You were wrong. Just admit it. :p

    think you need to lock this o1s1n, hive will never let it go :D. he's even

    quoting equations! :eek:




    :cool::cool::cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭Hivemind187


    Regarding the restriction of sale:

    It is counter productive to attempt to introduce legislation to control or license the sale of airsoft in Ireland. Firstly it would require that the items be reclassified because currently they are not viewed as weapons - any such classification would put us right back where we were pre 2006. Second, licensing of businesses to deal in Airsoft equipment would be an unfair burden on the retailers who are following the rules already, licenses have to be paid for because they generate beuraucracy - moreover, due to the peculiar way the current law works, it would make such licences subject to the whims of local superintendants in much the same way as firearms are.

    Further, the licencing of businesses is a short step from the licensing of players and they next thing we know is we have an Irish version of the VCRA. Anyone who has been paying attention to the results of that piece of legal dribble will already be aware of the problems it has caused.

    Demanding licenses for retailers would probably prevent the likes of bong shops from stocking airsoft kit. Fine. But the price we would have to pay for that is far too high.

    The answer is to not associate ourselves with such places. To avoid giving them any credence or even discussion simply because they are not worth it. To only buy from retailers following the regulations and not flouting them for a quick buck. The more we stick to our own people the longer we will be able to say "nothing to do with us" when little billy-scumbag brings a springer to school.

    Perhaps age restrictions similar to those in pplace on video stores and cinemas might be introduce with the penalty of fines for those who sell to under 18's. This would put the onus for responsible usage on the individual, much as it is with kitchen knives hurley sticks and chainsaws. If the individual acts the plank they either go to jail or get shot by the ERU - which is exactly the way the law is written right now.

    Does anyone have a different suggestion that is actually plausible or constructive?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    1) Only in terms of the Heisenberg uncertainty principal/shroedinger equations.
    nope in terms of practicallity and thats so 2003
    2) They have a physical shop you can walk into, I therefore counted them seperatly, incase that missed you the first time.
    they are an online store
    they are a walk in store also
    to be correct you should count them twice one as an online once as a walk in
    i think you just counted wrong but i forgive you do you wanyt a hug?


    3) They trade online and in person again, the reason I counted them separately.
    so does shiva

    Durrr.

    ((((((((hug))))))


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭Hivemind187


    o1s1n wrote: »
    For the love of...
    Let it go already. You were wrong. Just admit it. :p

    you show me Eirsoft's physical store and those of IAS and AirsoftEire and I'll change my statement ... otherwise I'm right :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭Hivemind187


    rbd wrote: »
    nope in terms of practicallity and thats so 2003

    they are an online store
    they are a walk in store also
    to be correct you should count them twice one as an online once as a walk in
    i think you just counted wrong but i forgive you do you wanyt a hug?
    so does shiva

    ((((((((hug))))))

    You were the one who said "it isnt a physical store if you live in Sligo" which implies that either "I can't see it so its status as either a real or unreal store is unknowable" (quantum) or "I live in the country and nothing outside of the country is real" (bumpkinist philosophy).

    Shiva delivers in person, he does not have a store you can walk into.

    I have stood in MIA's store and it is indeed a physical one. In fact, it was a physical one before it opened an online adjunct.

    And don't hug me, I dont know where you've been.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Regarding the restriction of sale:

    It is counter productive to attempt to introduce legislation to control or license the sale of airsoft in Ireland. Firstly it would require that the items be reclassified because currently they are not viewed as weapons - any such classification would put us right back where we were pre 2006. Second, licensing of businesses to deal in Airsoft equipment would be an unfair burden on the retailers who are following the rules already, licenses have to be paid for because they generate beuraucracy - moreover, due to the peculiar way the current law works, it would make such licences subject to the whims of local superintendants in much the same way as firearms are.

    Further, the licencing of businesses is a short step from the licensing of players and they next thing we know is we have an Irish version of the VCRA. Anyone who has been paying attention to the results of that piece of legal dribble will already be aware of the problems it has caused.

    Demanding licenses for retailers would probably prevent the likes of bong shops from stocking airsoft kit. Fine. But the price we would have to pay for that is far too high.

    The answer is to not associate ourselves with such places. To avoid giving them any credence or even discussion simply because they are not worth it. To only buy from retailers following the regulations and not flouting them for a quick buck. The more we stick to our own people the longer we will be able to say "nothing to do with us" when little billy-scumbag brings a springer to school.

    Perhaps age restrictions similar to those in pplace on video stores and cinemas might be introduce with the penalty of fines for those who sell to under 18's. This would put the onus for responsible usage on the individual, much as it is with kitchen knives hurley sticks and chainsaws. If the individual acts the plank they either go to jail or get shot by the ERU - which is exactly the way the law is written right now.

    Does anyone have a different suggestion that is actually plausible or constructive?


    i agree with most of that and understand the logic behing all of it
    however image is everything
    chainsaws and hurleys have obvious and constructive uses

    unfortunately them yokes we play with look like guns

    you need a lisence to rent/sell videos btw but this does not mean you need a lisence to rent/buy them same with cinemas and ciggeretts the katana incident in fingerless gave me some hope as all that was proposed was a review of the current legislation as the monister for justice said " at the moment if yer not going to or from a sword needing place ie shop or competion or home and if it puts fear in public yer in big trouble" which is what it is now for airsoft but.......

    i'm still worried that its gonna escilate so as with videos i propose a retail lisence
    but not a personal lisense and i don't think that one follows the other no matter how cutting the rhetoric surrounding your assertation that it will


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