Beckhams' dissapointment to be shortlived?

mike65 · 17-09-2006 11:13AM #1

Goldenballs expressed his shock and upset when he discoverd he was surplus to requirments under McClaren but this might he be back in the frame sooner than expected? Aaron Lennon and Owen Hargreaves have both been ruled out for several weeks with injury (the Canadian broke his leg yesterday).

With two Euro 2008 games coming will McClaren look to Beckham to go right side and move Gerrard central or will he give SWP or even Pennant a go down the right?

Mike.

Vokes · 17-09-2006 11:58AM

I expect McClaren will bring in Parker for Hargreaves.

Jivin Turkey · 17-09-2006 04:19PM

While I wouldn't play Beckham in my starting XI the fact that he is not even in the squad is a bit of a joke IMO. He still can offer a lot and for England on numerous times he has been their match winner. Adds a lot of experience to the squad as well.

AnCapaillMor · 17-09-2006 05:03PM

Jivin Turkey wrote:

While I wouldn't play Beckham in my starting XI the fact that he is not even in the squad is a bit of a joke IMO. He still can offer a lot and for England on numerous times he has been their match winner. Adds a lot of experience to the squad as well.

totally agree, never liked the guy him being a united darling, but there was no doubting his ability, best freekick taker and passser in the game. typical england to blame it all on one player, not an incompetent boring manager.

Giruilla · 18-09-2006 08:50AM

Beckham is a complete fraud. He acts like he's playing well by rushing to throw his arm around whoever scores a goal for Engurland to get in on the press pictures. He gets the odd assist and thats about it. He can't run, it's unbelievable how slow he is. He can't beat a player. He can't tackle. He can't head. He is constantly out of position. His long balls and passing are alright, but his passes are just ****ed from one end of the pitch to the other. They rarely create space for players to run into. Usually players just receive the ball from him from across the pitch and then have to attempt what Becks can't do. Which is actually beating a player, or doing one two's with team mates and running into space/creating space. Basically he is attrocious and a complete liability to have in a team. He's cost England three genuine chances of winning the world cup and a European Cup, obviously Sven had his part to play by playing him in the last World cup when he clearly didn' deserve his place. Anyone who's ever watched carefully a full game with Beckham playing will know what I mean. McClaren knows it, and knew it in the world cup. Beckham knew he was going to be dropped as soon as Mc Claren would be taking over and thats why he was so eager to resign his captaincy after the w.c.. Beckham used to be good. He is not a footballer anymore. Ferguson could see his decline and thats why he offloaded him, it was nothing to do with personal disagreements. It's no coincidence Real Madrid haven't won anything since Beckhams arrival.
Theres no chance McClaren will call him back up. Thers plenty of good young English players who deserve their place a billion more times than Beckham does; Wright Phillips, Parker, Jenas, Downing, Carrick, Reo Coker, i'd even play Richardson ahead of him!
Beckhams a media whore, thats all he's good for these days.

Big Nelly · 18-09-2006 09:28AM

Giruilla wrote:

Beckham is a complete fraud.........
Beckhams a media whore, thats all he's good for these days.

What a pile of ..... Beckham is a good player and alot of manager who know alot more about footbal think the same. He was Englands most affective player in midfield in the World Cup with a number of assists. He has won how many League titles/FA cup etc with Utd? was rated for a number of years number 2 player in the World by his peers and managers. He is one of the best crossers of the ball in the World and has one of best ranges of passes.

Blaming Beckham for the Madrid crisis is stupid, Beckham is an attacking player and the problem that Madrid have are all to do with the back line, Beckham was one of Madrid best players last season and was close to top for the number of assists for the whole league. That was while trying to cover right back when they stuck on that Brazilian, Cinciho, who hasnt a clue what a right back is and goes from thinking he is a winger to thinking he is a striker.

Also this season has already had a few asists from the one game I have watched him in and Capello has already said Beckham is the one player who has surprised him in the squad with his attitude and overall play.

If you are going to slag off a player then at least have some idea why you are slagging them off. McClaren is just using the media and he is using it well so the general public, e.g. you, who don't know much about football will think he is great. The press says drop Beckham so McClaren does it, Press says they should have brought more strikers to Germany, McClaren comes out after teh Swede is gone and says he would have brought more strikers.

jesus he is a great manager isnt he, all he has done is managed to agree to everything the press says, the sign of a good manager is when they can stand up to the press. Beckham deserves to be in the squad at least but McClaren is too much of a press kid to keep him in there. Now the press are calling for Pennent to be in the squad instead of Beckham, lets see what McClaren does.

Giruilla · 18-09-2006 10:40AM

Big Nelly wrote:

What a pile of ..... Beckham is a good player and alot of manager who know alot more about footbal think the same. He was Englands most affective player in midfield in the World Cup with a number of assists. He has won how many League titles/FA cup etc with Utd? was rated for a number of years number 2 player in the World by his peers and managers. He is one of the best crossers of the ball in the World and has one of best ranges of passes.

I think you may find it interesting to actually read what I said, 'Beckham used to be good'. I really don't want to repeat my reasons for why Beckham is crap now. Do you disagree with my reasons? Which ones? What assets does Beckham have that overshadow his bad ones giving him a rightful place in the England team?

Big Nelly wrote:

Blaming Beckham for the Madrid crisis is stupid, Beckham is an attacking player and the problem that Madrid have are all to do with the back line, Beckham was one of Madrid best players last season and was close to top for the number of assists for the whole league. That was while trying to cover right back when they stuck on that Brazilian, Cinciho, who hasnt a clue what a right back is and goes from thinking he is a winger to thinking he is a striker.
Also this season has already had a few asists from the one game I have watched him in and Capello has already said Beckham is the one player who has surprised him in the squad with his attitude and overall play.

I'll sum it up like this. Since Beckham has gone woefull he has played for three teams. Utd (in his last season), Madrid and Engerland. Utd and Madrid, clearly two of the best teams in the world in recent years, richest, star players. Engerland are seeded, what no3 in the world, not sure? The English team has always had a plethora of talent. Point is Beckham has been playing in teams which are brilliant already. Which have star players in them already. Beckham gets assists, ... so what? what have Madrid won from all these assist you talk about? You could take Darren Fletcher and put him in Beckhams position for Real Madrid, give him the balls Beckham recieves, play him alongside Raul and Ronaldo, and I guarantee you he'd get as many assists as Beckham and probaly a lot more goals. If a crap player is playing for a world class team, the team supports the crap player and carries him through matches. It is hard for people who don't understand the game of football to see a crap player in a team with the likes of Rooney, Gerrard, Terry, Lampard playing. The reason is these players are so good they overshadow the mediocreness of players like Beckham. Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Makelele state he was fed up of carrying the midfield, this being the season Beckham entered the team. Madrid would be alot better without Beckham. England already are looking a much better team without him in their style of play, winning McClarens 1st 3 games in charge and scoring 10 goals, conceding none. DID YOU SEE ENGLAND IN THE WORLD CUP? Their play was attrociopus. It consisted of Beckham constantly hoofing the ball up in Crouch and Rooney, i was embaressed for them!

Big Nelly wrote:

If you are going to slag off a player then at least have some idea why you are slagging them off. McClaren is just using the media and he is using it well so the general public, e.g. you, who don't know much about football will think he is great. The press says drop Beckham so McClaren does it, Press says they should have brought more strikers to Germany, McClaren comes out after teh Swede is gone and says he would have brought more strikers.

jesus he is a great manager isnt he, all he has done is managed to agree to everything the press says, the sign of a good manager is when they can stand up to the press. Beckham deserves to be in the squad at least but McClaren is too much of a press kid to keep him in there. Now the press are calling for Pennent to be in the squad instead of Beckham, lets see what McClaren does.

McClaren is using the media? are you taking the piss? Press say drop Beckham so he does? do actually think thats the reason he dropped Sir Becks? who in their right mind doesn't think Erricson should have brought more strikers to the w.c.. McClaren is actually a decent manager, he won the treble with United ffs! Do you think he gives a **** about the media. Just because Sven bought into the media hype about Beckham doesn't mean McClaren will do the same about other players. Pennan is actuall y agood player, better than Beckham, or don't you watch football?

Xavi6 · 18-09-2006 10:55AM

Giruilla wrote:

Pennan is actuall y agood player, better than Beckham, or don't you watch football?

Is this the same Jermaine Pennant who couldn't cross to save his life against Chelsea yesterday? And isn't crossing David Beckham's best asset?

Beckham is still a world class player and for you to say that the likes of Fletcher would thrive at Madrid is laughable. Beckham for years has been the most consistent deliverer of a cross in the world. If you watched United and Arsenal yesterday you would have seen Fletcher struggle to get a ball into the box. He actually hit the front rows of the crowd behind the goal with one attempt.

You appear just to be anti-Beckham beacuse of the attention he gets from the media. That should not take away from the fact that he is a superb talent. He had a better World Cup than Frank Lampard and yet isn't even in the squad while Fat Frank starts. You're tellin me that's justified?

MrJoeSoap · 18-09-2006 10:57AM

SofaKing wrote:

I expect McClaren will bring in Parker for Hargreaves.

Hope so, but doubt it.

gustavo · 18-09-2006 11:07AM

Giruilla wrote:

McClaren is actually a decent manager, he won the treble with United ffs!

Not sure what version of history you were working from but he wasnt actually the manager of that team

Giruilla · 18-09-2006 11:08AM

Xavi6 wrote:

Is this the same Jermaine Pennant who couldn't cross to save his life against Chelsea yesterday? And isn't crossing David Beckham's best asset?

Beckham is still a world class player and for you to say that the likes of Fletcher would thrive at Madrid is laughable. Beckham for years has been the most consistent deliverer of a cross in the world. If you watched United and Arsenal yesterday you would have seen Fletcher struggle to get a ball into the box. He actually hit the front rows of the crowd behind the goal with one attempt.

You appear just to be anti-Beckham beacuse of the attention he gets from the media. That should not take away from the fact that he is a superb talent. He had a better World Cup than Frank Lampard and yet isn't even in the squad while Fat Frank starts. You're tellin me that's justified?

If you actually believe Beckham had a better world cup than Lampard fair enough, theres nothing I can say to change your opinion on that. Lampard didn't have the best w.c. but that was mainly down to the fact that beckham would not pass to him. Lampards game involves actually getting on the ball in the opponents half and making killer passes and stringing moves together. Beckham would not stop hoofing the ball up the pitch in the world cup and losing the ball as a result when Rooney/Crouch couldn't cope with them. When you say Beckham is a superb talent, try to realise you are talking about his past glories, NOT the player he is today.

Xavi6 wrote:

You appear just to be anti-Beckham beacuse of the attention he gets from the media.

Could you try attempt to back this statement up please? You may have difficulties. Have you disregarded my reasons for why I am anti-Beckham, about how he plays football. I stated that Beckham is media whore which he is and he is got at doing. Seeing players who earn 70k plus a week like Beckham and Gerrard doing pringles and pepsi adverts makes my stomach churn.

Giruilla · 18-09-2006 11:10AM

gustavo wrote:

Not sure what version of history you were working from but he wasnt actually the manager of that team

Could you point outexactly where I said he was the manager. Being assistant manager is pretty much as big a role as being manager and you have almost as much influence on the team.

MrJoeSoap · 18-09-2006 11:10AM

Giruilla wrote:

Seeing players who earn 70k plus a week like Beckham and Gerrard doing pringles and pepsi adverts makes my stomach churn.

Fat Frank is safe so I suppose, he'd never go near a Pepsi advertisement, or earn more than 10k a week.

Giruilla wrote:

Could you point outexactly where I said he was the manager. Being assistant manager is pretty much as big a role as being manager and you have almost as much influence on the team.

Terry Venables is doing a good job so.

Xavi6 · 18-09-2006 11:15AM

Giruilla wrote:

If you actually believe Beckham had a better world cup than Lampard fair enough, theres nothing I can say to change your opinion on that. Lampard didn't have the best w.c. but that was mainly down to the fact that beckham would not pass to him. Lampards game involves actually getting on the ball in the opponents half and making killer passes and stringing moves together.

Poor Lampard got so little of the ball that he had the worst shots to goals ratio in the tournament. How many assists did Lamps have in comparison to Beckham? They would have drawn with Trinidad if it wasn't for Beckham's ability to deliver a ball into the box.

Didn't see Lampard playing those 'killer balls' when Beckham wasn't on the pitch against Portugal.

Oh and by the way, is Gerrard 'a media whore' too because he does adverts for Pringles and washing powder? And Lampard for advertising Pepsi? You wouldn't want to sound hypocritical now would you?

Giruilla · 18-09-2006 11:15AM

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Fat Frank is safe so I suppose, he'd never go near a Pepsi advertisement, or earn more than 10k a week.

No he's just as bad. He does Tesco adverts too. Why do think I'm defending Lampard just because I didn't mention him?

Giruilla · 18-09-2006 11:18AM

Xavi6 wrote:

Oh and by the way, is Gerrard 'a media whore' too because he does adverts for Pringles and washing powder? And Lampard for advertising Pepsi? You wouldn't want to sound hypocritical now would you?

How is me having not mentioned there names being hypocritical? I really don't understand your logic here. It would be hypocritical if I said they weren't 'media whores'. Do you want to mention every footballer whos ever been in an ad or something?

Big Nelly · 18-09-2006 11:21AM

Giruilla wrote:

It is hard for people who don't understand the game of football to see a crap player in a team with the likes of Rooney, Gerrard, Terry, Lampard playing.

LOL you actual think you understand the game of football and then you proceed to type out this stuff. Very funny.

Giruilla wrote:

McClaren is using the media? are you taking the piss? Press say drop Beckham so he does? do actually think thats the reason he dropped Sir Becks? who in their right mind doesn't think Erricson should have brought more strikers to the w.c.. McClaren is actually a decent manager, he won the treble with United ffs! Do you think he gives a **** about the media. Just because Sven bought into the media hype about Beckham doesn't mean McClaren will do the same about other players. Pennan is actuall y agood player, better than Beckham, or don't you watch football?

McClaren is a decent manager? where did you get this information form seeing so you know the game of football? he didnt win the treble with Utd, since you know so much you should know that he wasnt the manager and the coach has nothing to do with the tactics the manger plays. fergie won it and nobody else. McClaren was just after moving to Utd that season and had very little affect, Utd had been building to that win for a few seasons beforehadn and it was due to happen one of those years. Just because McClaren moved there the year it happened doesnt mean he won the treble for Utd. Even you who knows so much about the game should realise this

One comment I thought was best was an Oz TV show about the PL and the England team, very good line up of ex pro and managers from England, when asked about McClaren they all agreed they had no clue what formation McClaren actually favoured at Boro or half the time what formation he was actually playing. This is from professionals!!!!

McClaren stood behind Ericksson before and during the WC and then when it all went belly up went running to the press saysing he would have brought more strikers. A rat jumping ship to me.

Sven had nothing to do with Beckham and the media hype, he was already captain when Sven took over the job. But sure you knew this? Where is your information to say that Sven bought into the media hype? seeing as when Sven took over he was no 2 in the World footballers.

Yes I watch football but I dont think you do or your just blinded by your hatred of Beckham, think you are just having a problem with the media and you have bought into it. Everyone else here can see he is a decent player and you cant. Pennent is an ok player, could be a good player but exactly what has he done to give him a place in the England squad ahead of Beckham? can you name one good game he has had this seaosn or actually last season when he struggled in a Birmingham team? There is no way Pennent is anywhere near as good as beckham at the moment but he is young and maybe when he gets experience will be. Maybe you should watch some football

MrJoeSoap · 18-09-2006 11:22AM

Giruilla wrote:

No he's just as bad. He does Tesco adverts too. Why do think I'm defending Lampard just because I didn't mention him?

To be honest, I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make is.

You clearly don't like Beckham, so you say... "Seeing players who earn 70k plus a week like Beckham and Gerrard doing pringles and pepsi adverts makes my stomach churn." which also applies to Lampard, who you had just defended. A convenient omission.

Beckham had a far more effective World Cup than Lampard, and was absolutely lethal in the few build-up games to it. Now I'm not a fan of him as a person whatsoever, but he is the best crosser of a ball in the game, and should at least be in the squad for his crossing and set pieces alone.

Scored for Real last night as well, albeit without much of an opposition defence.

Giruilla · 18-09-2006 11:24AM

Xavi6 wrote:

Poor Lampard got so little of the ball that he had the worst shots to goals ratio in the tournament. How many assists did Lamps have in comparison to Beckham? They would have drawn with Trinidad if it wasn't for Beckham's ability to deliver a ball into the box.

Didn't see Lampard playing those 'killer balls' when Beckham wasn't on the pitch against Portugal.

I struggling to believe you can actually say this. They beat trinidad 1-0. Is that supposed to be a good result fro a team like England. Did you watch the match? Did you see the way Beckham played. The goal was in the around 85 minutes? They were lucky to get anything from the match. My whole point is without Beckham on the pitch they probaly would have won 4 or 5 nil with someone who could pass well around midfield with Lampard and Gerrard.
Portugal were a strong team who were well prepared for the w.c., England were not.

Xavi6 · 18-09-2006 11:24AM

Giruilla wrote:

How is me having not mentioned there names being hypocritical? I really don't understand your logic here. It would be hypocritical if I said they weren't 'media whores'. Do you want to mention every footballer whos ever been in an ad or something?

You imply that Fat Frank is the the good cop to Beckham's bad, defending him to the hilt when he is clearly less of an influence on the England team. He has done nothing recently, both at club and international level, to justify his place in the starting XI while Beckham is clearly worth minimum a spot in the squad. Good win for Madrid last night, and I see Beckham scored after coming off the bench and is playing like he has a point to prove. Great to see.

Giruilla · 18-09-2006 11:25AM

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Now I'm not a fan of him as a person whatsoever, but he is the best crosser of a ball in the game, and should at least be in the squad for his crossing and set pieces alone.

Gerrard is just as good a crosser if not better than Beckham.

MrJoeSoap · 18-09-2006 11:27AM

I'd put Beckham slightly ahead of Gerrard but thats personal opinion. It doesn't really matter anyway, as Gerrard should play in the centre, with Beckham on the right. They shouldn't be competing for one spot.

BaZmO* · 18-09-2006 11:28AM

Giruilla wrote:

Do you think he gives a **** about the media.

Definitely

Big Nelly · 18-09-2006 11:29AM

Giruilla wrote:

I struggling to believe you can actually say this. They beat trinidad 1-0. Is that supposed to be a good result fro a team like England. Did you watch the match? Did you see the way Beckham played. The goal was in the around 85 minutes? They were lucky to get anything from the match. My whole point is without Beckham on the pitch they probaly would have won 4 or 5 nil with someone who could pass well around midfield with Lampard and Gerrard.
Portugal were a strong team who were well prepared for the w.c., England were not.

Seriously go and watch the games and then start, Gerrard and Lampard done nothing in the World Cup. They couldnt pass a ball between them and Beckham was a better player than either of them, mind you the whole England team where useless so its no glory. You really have a problem with Beckham and just making up stuf now to try and make him look terrible, Will get you no where here because people on here know about footie!!

Big Nelly · 18-09-2006 11:30AM

Giruilla wrote:

Gerrard is just as good a crosser if not better than Beckham.

Another classic. Gerrard is good but no where near as good as beckham!!

Edit at crossing the ball now before I get the Liverpool legion after me

~Rebel~ · 18-09-2006 11:30AM

Giruilla...just...wow..

Im not gonna go into big detail, but really, have you actually watched him play in Spain? Honestly? You say he's made look good by paying with great players, while also saying this team had to be carried by Makalele and dont win anything any more. which is it? Have they been a great team that carried him or have they deteriorated from a lack of physical fitness and defensiev capabilities?

If you watched much, you'd have seen that it was quite the other way around in spain last year, Beckham ended up being an integral part of trying to hold together a completely mismatched confused midfield with square pegs squashed into round holes. When he wasn't injured he was pretty much the best player. Granted he doesn't have pace to burn and he's not the best for rounding people. If you're intelligent you dont need to be. His team interplay is exceptional when he's actually in his prefered position of attacking on the right. He's dangerous with a cross from anywhere past the halfway line, and his defensive tracking is above average when not in possession. Again i implore you, just watch real, he generally tracks back, passes off simple and gets back to where he can cause damage.

For England the problem was nobody performed. Correct me if im wrong but without Beckhams important set pieces and goal against Ecuador would England have even reached the quarter final? Its hardly his fault Lampard didn't show up and that Gerrard didn't play to his scintilating best. Its not his fault Rooney and Owen spent most of the world cup injured. One single player doesn't drag down a "world class team" it takes quite a bit going wrong.

You say England are now on flying form yes? Well so far they've destroyed one terrible team and scraped past a poor one. I seem to recall before the world cup them desimating a few poor teams, so were they on top form then?

I actually feel foolish now for falling for the Troll to be honest, but sure feckit tis a slow workday. You obviously just hate beckham and won't change your opinion.

Xavi6 · 18-09-2006 11:31AM

BaZmO* wrote:

Definitely

Ha ha brilliant.

England's midfield for the next game should be

Parker

Beckham---Gerrard---J. Cole

but it won't happen.

Giruilla · 18-09-2006 11:33AM

BaZmO* wrote:

Definitely

All managers have press advisors. Considering the media circus that constantly surround the England Manager postion i hardly think it's bad he hires someone who knows the tabloids in and out to advise him. My point the media will not influence who he picks and drops. Also its not like the media are always wrong in their opinions. I they say drop Beckham and it turns out he does it would have happened anyway.

MrJoeSoap · 18-09-2006 11:36AM

Giruilla wrote:

i hardly think it's bad he hires someone who knows the tabloids in and out to advise him.

Even though he doesn't give a sh1te? Come off it!

Giruilla · 18-09-2006 11:41AM

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Even though he doesn't give a sh1te? Come off it!

Doesn't give a sh1te about their opinions on who he should play!!

~Rebel~ · 18-09-2006 11:49AM

Giruilla wrote:

Doesn't give a sh1te about their opinions on who he should play!!

we'll just see what happens over the next few games. He's had absolutely no tough calls to make so far, besides the dropping david "the scapegoat" beckham. Theres nothing for you to defend really so far. Personally, id be amazed if we didn't see repercussions of media outcry in his selections.

Beckhams' dissapointment to be shortlived?

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