rage against the machine use samples

rowan

on every rage album is written: 'no samples used in the making of this recording'. Pop quiz hot shot: which song uses a sample?

tman

ehhh... bulls on parade

rowan

nope

SouperComputer

gimme a hint, what album?

davoc

'renegades of funk' perhaps or is that intro and the stuff just like the intro during the song done on guitar

Fozzy

It's Renegades of Funk, isn't it, where they use a sample of the crowd from the original song in it.

gucci

wat about wake up?sounds very like the godzilla theme in the intro,not sure how original the godzilla tune is however..?

garthv

yeh it is wake up,the original song was done by led zeppelin(Moby Dick)

Giblet

The first chord sounds like kashmir, but it doesn't sound like any Led Zep song.

quank

Originally posted by rowan
on every rage album is written: 'no samples used in the making of this recording'. Pop quiz hot shot: which song uses a sample?

How dyou know that a song uses it? ¬_¬

And I can't find 'no samples used in the making of this recording' on Evil Empire.

Mebbe you meant:
"ALL SOUNDS MADE BY GUITAR, BASS, DRUMS, AND VOCALS"
?

dabhoys

Plus if it does say sample it would mean the actually 'sampling' of the original item. Not playing it. But I don't think it says that in the sleeve notes ne where...

rowan

>It's Renegades of Funk, isn't it, where they use a sample of the crowd
that's not the one i was thinking of, but if there's a crowd noise then that would be a sample.

>wake up,the original song was done by led zeppelin(Moby Dick)
does sound similar, that would make it a cover or plagiarism, but not a sample

>all sounds made by guitar, bass, drums, and vocals
either way, this is a sample not made by those instruments

>gimme a hint, what album?
battle of LA.
that'll be your homework for tonight children

its there, believe me!!! it lasts for about 3 or 4 seconds

superconor

Wake Up sounds like Kashmir, not Moby Dick.

And if my memory serves me correctly, Renegades is an album of covers, which negates the sampling aspect...?

Unless you are talking about the Korean radio noises at the end of Sleep Now In The Fire, which Tom strangely picked up through his amplifier and were therefore made by their own instruments.

garthv

my apologies,i meant kashmir,always get them two mixed up

Hydromonkey

It's at the end of sleep now in the fire, isn't it?

rowan

yep that's it, at the end of sleep now in the fire. Just turn the volume up at about 3:17. Its a house track with house beats/vocal/sounds. His amp was acting as a radio, so the sound is recorded or 'sampled' off radio... and the track itself is made up of samples

gucci

wow thats a very interesting piece of information..........

Executive Steve

Originally posted by rowan
so the sound is recorded or 'sampled' off radio...

thats not what sampling is. thats just interference...

superconor

i agree with tyranny. rowan you are wrong, it isnt a house track it is interference/feedback and static from toms amps. not a house track, its people talking in some foreign language, korean apparently.

rowan

not going to get into a debate about. this is my last post on the subject. I have listened to it a hundred times cos its so strange on a ratm album. Don't get me wrong, i love ratm. Tom says he picked the signal up from a korean radio station on and "old, vintage distortion pedal called a Tone Bender".
http://www.musicfanclubs.org/rage/articles/snitf.htm
He says "That radio signal is no sample - it was played!". He's wrong. A sample is a sample no matter what technology is used to record or "sample" the piece of music. Listen to it again, a few times.


Its a house track.
It lasts for 6 seconds and the bpm is 132.
It consists of one male vocalist and one female vocalist.
It contains the classic house/techno beat structure, alternating kick + hihat on every beat.
It contains a pop-synth melody, 3 notes repeating.
It originated from some non-ratm source.
Its cheestastic.

its a sample.

deal with it.

phreak

Originally posted by rowan
deal with it.

you've changed my life.

gucci

hows about what is the only song that zach actually sings on?(using the term very loosley)

superconor

Could it be beutiful world, of the renegades album?

rowan, the RATM FAQ says different. who thinks it is sampling? or does anyone agree that if it was made by his amp/distortion pedal it wasnt sampling?

Executive Steve

sampling = using a sampler to modify manipulate and arrange a piece of audio into a new context.

picking up a radio station on your amp = picking a radio station on your amp

:thumbsup:

gucci

Originally posted by superconor
Could it be beutiful world, of the renegades album?

exactly wat i was thinking,its so unusual not to hear him scream,yet brilliant,can almost imagine them all get back together and do an mtv unplugged session

quank

/me wishes ^^^^^^^^

I still kinda disagree with the sampling.
And I presume they wanted it left in, whatever it was.
I doubt playing the song again would be much bother.

begbie

This thread is so anal. Who cares if it used sampling or not. Why would anyone even wanna know?:dunno:

Doctor J

Ahhhh this is a load of shyt, years ago you sold out if you used overdubs, now it's samples, big fycking deal. It doesn't matter, really, in the grand scheme of things.

begbie

Glad to see two of us are at least sane doctor j!:D

Doctor J

Yup, I mean, it ain't gonna make my day any cloudier if he used a sampler

I'm already over it

begbie

I don't even like rage that much.:D

quank

I don't think anyone said they don't like sampling. It's the fact that on the album sleeve thingy, it says, all sounds done by guitar, vocals, bass, and drums

iasc

Originally posted by gucci
wat about wake up?sounds very like the godzilla theme in the intro,not sure how original the godzilla tune is however..?

wake up was out years before the godzilla theme tune, the wake up intro sounds like kashmir only, the godzilla song was an upfdated version of kashmir, and tom morello actually did the guitar for it, not jimmy page

superconor

No, in the video it shows Jimmy Page playing guitar. Tom did the bass for it, albeit uncredited.

Giblet

He also did the guitar overdubs.

iasc

jimmy page did the orignal guitar, and tom morello updated it, page didnt actually do anything in the studio
he just played in the video cos he was famous