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Speeding fine

  • 29-12-2014 3:07pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746
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    Tried to pay my speeding fine today but was a couple of days out due.

    I guess I get five points now but what's the story with a fine?

    I got in from a speeding van on the N7. Balls.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 corktina
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    I'm guessing you'll have to go to Court now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,191 Dr_Colossus
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    zoobizoo wrote: »
    Tried to pay my speeding fine today but was a couple of days out due.

    I guess I get five points now but what's the story with a fine?

    I got in from a speeding van on the N7. Balls.

    A poxy place, that should all be 100km with three lanes of traffic and it connected to the M7 with it's 120km limit. It's ridiculous and quite dangerous coming from 120km/h straight into an 80km section. Parts of the N6 are even worse with sections of that road shown as 60km/h. Is there a means/area of appealing to the nanny state speed limits imposed on our roads?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 pa990
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    A poxy place, that should all be 100km with three lanes of traffic and it connected to the M7 with it's 120km limit. It's ridiculous and quite dangerous coming from 120km/h straight into an 80km section. Parts of the N6 are even worse with sections of that road shown as 60km/h. Is there a means/area of appealing to the nanny state speed limits imposed on our roads?

    why didnt you just pay it on time.
    dont be blaming others for your mistakes... blaming others is basically asking for a nanny state, and you admit yourself that its a dangerous stretch of road with the changes in speed limits.

    You cant blame your nanny for this one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 zoobizoo
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    Yeah I'll have to go to court and get my points but just wondering how much the fine will be.

    I tried paying it over the phone last month but they don't accept payments other than from post office / cheques. So I went up today thinking I was still in date but I was a couple of days out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,786 slimjimmc
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    A poxy place, that should all be 100km with three lanes of traffic and it connected to the M7 with it's 120km limit. It's ridiculous and quite dangerous coming from 120km/h straight into an 80km section. Parts of the N6 are even worse with sections of that road shown as 60km/h. Is there a means/area of appealing to the nanny state speed limits imposed on our roads?
    Where is this? Coming from the M7 the speed limit drops to 100km/h not 80km/h, you won't hit a 80km/h zone until you approach the Newland's Cross road works a good 15-16km further down the road.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 294 Breffnigolfer
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    pa990 wrote: »
    why didnt you just pay it on time.
    dont be blaming others for your mistakes... blaming others is basically asking for a nanny state, and you admit yourself that its a dangerous stretch of road with the changes in speed limits.

    You cant blame your nanny for this one

    Given the OP hasn't blamed anyone else for his predicament can you clarify who you are directing your rant at?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 corktina
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    Given the OP hasn't blamed anyone else for his predicament can you clarify who you are directing your rant at?

    shooting the wrong guy there wasn't he!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ironclaw
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    slimjimmc wrote: »
    Where is this? Coming from the M7 the speed limit drops to 100km/h not 80km/h, you won't hit a 80km/h zone until you approach the Newland's Cross road works a good 15-16km further down the road.

    Its actually 100km/h into 60km/h over the new bridge now, which is a tad stupid to be fair. 80km/h would be more appropriate as its what the traffic is doing anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 thadg
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    just say you got nothing in the post until the summins for court. they would have no record of your phone call


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 Odyssey 2005
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    corktina wrote: »
    shooting the wrong guy there wasn't he!

    Yep..I think if this was a war the old Dr. Would be classed as colotoral damage:D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 Gone Drinking
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    thadg wrote: »
    just say you got nothing in the post until the summins for court. they would have no record of your phone call

    Did you try to pay the fine in a post office? If so, they should have given you a receipt to show you tried to pay it, but it was a little too late. Take this to court with you and show the judge, you can say it was Christmas, things were a bit crazy, blah blah.

    Very same thing happened to me, judge requested I make an 80 euro payment to the Childrens hospital, happy days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,129 kirving
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    Fair enough that a late payment incurs a larger fine, but points on a licence should absolutely not be related to someone's ability to pay, or their forgetfulness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,412 endacl
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    braddun wrote: »

    And the relevance of an article about the new N plates to the discussion at hand is ... what ... exactly...?

    Or even vaguely?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,685 wonski
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    endacl wrote: »
    And the relevance of an article about the new N plates to the discussion at hand is ... what ... exactly...?

    Or even vaguely?

    It is an article from July:confused: But it does say that penalty points increased from 4 to 5 if not paid on time.

    Given that 5 points was already posted in the thread this was not needed, but the article itself wasn't just about N plates;)
    Agreed it was not up to date and not very relevant, though:D

    OP - explain you missed the deadline by few days and I am sure you won't have to sell your house to pay the fine.
    If you have that receipt from Post Office - bring it in, this would definitely help your case.

    I am sure other posters with better experience will come along and advice you of how much extra, if any, they had to pay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ironclaw
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    Fair enough that a late payment incurs a larger fine, but points on a licence should absolutely not be related to someone's ability to pay, or their forgetfulness.

    If you can afford to drive, then you can afford the fines in this country. There are countries, especially some of the US States, where you will be arrested on the roadside and the fines could be in the 10's of 1000's.

    And as for forgetfulness, I don't buy that one bit and I hope a judge wouldn't either. Even if you had to take a half day off work to get the Post office, its still less than the fine in terms of loss income.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 Mylow
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    ironclaw wrote: »
    If you can afford to drive, then you can afford the fines in this country. There are countries, especially some of the US States, where you will be arrested on the roadside and the fines could be in the 10's of 1000's.

    And as for forgetfulness, I don't buy that one bit and I hope a judge wouldn't either. Even if you had to take a half day off work to get the Post office, its still less than the fine in terms of loss income.

    A work colleague got speeding fine, only problem is he now works in Belgium, went home for holidays, Garda turned up at door with summons, told him if it was a week later that he would have not have been able to issue summons (should have taken his holidays a week later :-). He explained to Guard he was working abroad. He flew back for court case, explained situation to the judge, no points, just payment into poor box. He was a happy bunny.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,129 kirving
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    ironclaw wrote: »
    If you can afford to drive, then you can afford the fines in this country. There are countries, especially some of the US States, where you will be arrested on the roadside and the fines could be in the 10's of 1000's.

    And as for forgetfulness, I don't buy that one bit and I hope a judge wouldn't either. Even if you had to take a half day off work to get the Post office, its still less than the fine in terms of loss income.


    Tens of thousands, really? I've never been caught speeding, but I agree with the fines, and I also agree that they should be increased over time to get people to comply and reduce administration work. The fact is that some people genuinely cannot afford to pay the fine on time, and penalising them with additional points is not the right way to do things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ironclaw
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    Tens of thousands, really? I've never been caught speeding, but I agree with the fines, and I also agree that they should be increased over time to get people to comply and reduce administration work. The fact is that some people genuinely cannot afford to pay the fine on time, and penalising them with additional points is not the right way to do things.

    So the person who is driving, at worse says a €500 car, that is paying maybe €100+ to tax it, insure it, put fuel in the tank and at that range, will require an NCT every year, can't afford to pay a fine and take some more points?

    There really are no excuses. I'm sorry. The expense of motoring comes with the rest. And on top of that, if you can't afford a fine, keep the speed down, it will improve the fuel economy if things are that tight for them.

    [None of that directed at the OP, I'm talking in general]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 challengemaster
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    The fact is that some people genuinely cannot afford to pay the fine on time, and penalising them with additional points is not the right way to do things.

    If they can't afford to pay the fine, which lets not forget, was for an offence under the road traffic act, not a regular driving expense incurred by everyone - then yes, an increased penalty is exactly the incentive they need to not repeatedly offend.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,777 meathstevie
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    Mylow wrote: »
    A work colleague got speeding fine, only problem is he now works in Belgium, went home for holidays, Garda turned up at door with summons, told him if it was a week later that he would have not have been able to issue summons (should have taken his holidays a week later :-). He explained to Guard he was working abroad. He flew back for court case, explained situation to the judge, no points, just payment into poor box. He was a happy bunny.

    Most District Judges tend to take a very benign view on people who end up in front of them for a minor offence, show them some respect by bothering to put on some appropriate attire and so on. If you're not disputing the facts turn up to court dressed in a suit or similar for ladies answer the questions the judge may ask you respectfully and I reckon damage is going to be minimal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 biko
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    Civilness please.

    OP, I don't know how much the fine will be, but do report back here after in case someone else has a similar situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 zoobizoo
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    Cheers guys.

    Will do


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 zoobizoo
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    So I went to court today about this case.

    Because I had originally tried to pay on Christmas eve and the Post Office was closed and that date was within the 56 days, the judge let me off and struck the case out.

    I'm wondering if I can get my points reduced from the five to the original mandatory two?

    Is that an RSA issue?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ianob7
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    afaik speeding is 3 not 2, and yes you will have to contact the RSA for this issue to be looked at


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 zoobizoo
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    Three yeah....

    Thanks for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,786 slimjimmc
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    zoobizoo wrote: »
    So I went to court today about this case.

    Because I had originally tried to pay on Christmas eve and the Post Office was closed and that date was within the 56 days, the judge let me off and struck the case out.

    I'm wondering if I can get my points reduced from the five to the original mandatory two?

    Is that an RSA issue?
    I reckon you'll get no points, you didn't pay the FPN (despite trying) and you haven't been convicted. The RSA can't impose points unless you either pay the FPN or be convicted. You've effectively been let off scotfree :).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 zoobizoo
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    slimjimmc wrote: »
    I reckon you'll get no points, you didn't pay the FPN (despite trying) and you haven't been convicted. You've effectively been let off scotfree :).

    There are fixed three points regardless of paying the fine or not and then an extra two if you don't so I presume I'll be getting the original three.

    Really nice judge though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,786 slimjimmc
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    zoobizoo wrote: »
    There are fixed three points regardless of paying the fine or not and then an extra two if you don't so I presume I'll be getting the original three.

    Really nice judge though.

    I don't think that is the case.
    There seems to be no provision in the law to apply points unless either you make payment (of the FPN) or you are convicted.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2002/en/act/pub/0012/sec0002.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 zoobizoo
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    Well if that is the case then sweeeeeet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,549 *Kol*
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    zoobizoo wrote: »
    So I went to court today about this case.

    Because I had originally tried to pay on Christmas eve and the Post Office was closed and that date was within the 56 days, the judge let me off and struck the case out.

    I'm wondering if I can get my points reduced from the five to the original mandatory two?

    Is that an RSA issue?

    I would imagine that everything is struck out including the points. Good result.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 zoobizoo
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    Cheers for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 Spook_ie
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    zoobizoo wrote: »
    Tried to pay my speeding fine today but was a couple of days out due.

    I guess I get five points now but what's the story with a fine?

    I got in from a speeding van on the N7. Balls.
    zoobizoo wrote: »
    So I went to court today about this case.

    Because I had originally tried to pay on Christmas eve and the Post Office was closed and that date was within the 56 days, the judge let me off and struck the case out.

    I'm wondering if I can get my points reduced from the five to the original mandatory two?

    Is that an RSA issue?

    So did you try to pay it on time on the 24th. or couple of days late on the 29th.? Sounds like you had a lucky escape either way


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,375 Redsoxfan
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    slimjimmc wrote: »
    I don't think that is the case.
    There seems to be no provision in the law to apply points unless either you make payment (of the FPN) or you are convicted.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2002/en/act/pub/0012/sec0002.html


    I wondered about this when I read about a recent case involving Colm Parkinson (former Laois footballer, now Newstalk presenter/pundit...)

    The article notes that the case was 'struck out' and that he was instructed to make a donation.

    But no mention of points. Surely it can't be the case that if you don't see the letter in time, you avoid any points if you can show 'good faith'?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,375 Redsoxfan
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    This post has been deleted.

    Wow, so, basically, don't update your 'home' address when you move out from the folks and you should be grand....

    If you are stopped as opposed to just snapped, I think the Gardai do ask 'is this your current address' when they take down your details?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 zoobizoo
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    Firstly, there were a number of cases in court yesterday where the judge asked the defendants who said that they hadn't received the fine in the post, if they could offer any other information other than just "they did not receive it". In those cases they got €120 fines. That really depends on the judge and the circumstances. The judge yesterday asked "do you ever have other post or bills go missing?" and the defendant answered "no".

    I guess though, if you live in a house or a flatshare, or said that you did, then the Judge might look differently than if you lived at home.

    In the case of a change of address, it is up to drivers to inform the authorities where their new address is. I have seen this a few times where people say "but I moved address" and the Judge said that the onus was on them to make that known.


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