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  • 17-04-2014 12:24am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63
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    Is it too early yet to spray rushes? The rushes are light and fairly green as were topped last september.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,855 I said
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    Spray on no time like the present


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 Sami23
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    Is it too early yet to spray rushes? The rushes are light and fairly green as were topped last september.

    Never too early to kill the Ba****ds :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 J.O. Farmer
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    Perfect time to do them is when they're light and green and actively growing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,855 I said
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    What spray are you using?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 Genghis Cant
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    Perfect time to do them is when they're light and green and actively growing.

    My thoughts exactly. Hit them now and any that survive get them later in the year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 gozunda
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    Only spray when the rushes are actively growing. Ie new growth. Spraying too early is a waste of spray and money. Targeted spray is the best. If this means using a knapsack in certain situations then do so. Make sure dry period before and after to allow spray to get to work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,543 Conmaicne Mara
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    gozunda wrote: »
    Spraying too early is a waste of spray and money.

    Sprayed rushes with Mortone in December one year, just before one of the very cold blasts we got - I remember cos the water was frozen in the hose the next morning. The sprayed rushes all died, it just took longer for them to die.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 gozunda
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    Sprayed rushes with Mortone in December one year, just before one of the very cold blasts we got - I remember cos the water was frozen in the hose the next morning. The sprayed rushes all died, it just took longer for them to die.


    Ok you were fortunate. Normal practice is to spray when 'activly growing' - this gives best results. No point wasting money on a chance in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 FarmerBrowne
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    How soon after spraying rushes can they be topped? I sprayed ones about a month ago and they are brown for about 1/3 down the rush so they are dieing but was wondering how long before I can top them?

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,719 _Brian
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    How soon after spraying rushes can they be topped? I sprayed ones about a month ago and they are brown for about 1/3 down the rush so they are dieing but was wondering how long before I can top them?

    Thanks

    Might be as well leaving till the spring..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 dglhills


    Can I ask what rate you guys put on the chemical, I used agroxone this summer to limited/no success, used it at 3.5 and 5 litres per hectare, went on dry and dry for a few days after, would love to know what I'm doing wrong? Do people used a sticker or wetting agent? Thanks for any advice! I'm used to a weed wiper and the rushes dying almost immediately.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,975 Connemara Farmer
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    Used mortone, can't remember if I put really cheap washing up liquid in it or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 josephsoap
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    dglhills wrote: »
    Can I ask what rate you guys put on the chemical, I used agroxone this summer to limited/no success, used it at 3.5 and 5 litres per hectare, went on dry and dry for a few days after, would love to know what I'm doing wrong? Do people used a sticker or wetting agent? Thanks for any advice! I'm used to a weed wiper and the rushes dying almost immediately.

    I think you would want to use that rate per acre


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 just do it
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    dglhills wrote: »
    Can I ask what rate you guys put on the chemical, I used agroxone this summer to limited/no success, used it at 3.5 and 5 litres per hectare, went on dry and dry for a few days after, would love to know what I'm doing wrong? Do people used a sticker or wetting agent? Thanks for any advice! I'm used to a weed wiper and the rushes dying almost immediately.
    From the data sheet - Soft Rush (Juncus effuses) May be controlled by spraying 3.5L/ha (1.4L/ac) in April to June when growing well. For best results cut the rushes 4 weeks after treatment or cut 4 weeks before application and remove stems before spraying.

    Best time for spraying is a still misty overcast evening. The sun beaming down when you sprayed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 Midlandsman80
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    dglhills wrote: »
    Can I ask what rate you guys put on the chemical, I used agroxone this summer to limited/no success, used it at 3.5 and 5 litres per hectare, went on dry and dry for a few days after, would love to know what I'm doing wrong? Do people used a sticker or wetting agent? Thanks for any advice! I'm used to a weed wiper and the rushes dying almost immediately.

    Is there a reason you would not just use the weed wiper again after getting good results before?
    I was shocked at how good the results were from the weedwiper and a cheap type roundup, cant keep grass eatn this year in places that were a covered in rushes 2 years ago, and no reseeding done.
    Will plan to do it again in April/May to get any small regrowth that's coming and attack another few areas that were not got yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 just do it
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    Is there a reason you would not just use the weed wiper again after getting good results before?
    I was shocked at how good the results were from the weedwiper and a cheap type roundup, cant keep grass eatn this year in places that were a covered in rushes 2 years ago, and no reseeding done.
    Will plan to do it again in April/May to get any small regrowth that's coming and attack another few areas that were not got yet.

    One good reason to use MCPA is it active against a lot of other weeds.

    Agree though that you need to keep after them. A once off wipe or spray is a big ask


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 coolshannagh28
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    Now in the middle of a drought is the optimum time to spray rushes for a very effective kill


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 dglhills


    Is there a reason you would not just use the weed wiper again after getting good results before?
    I was shocked at how good the results were from the weed wiper and a cheap type roundup, cant keep grass eatn this year in places that were a covered in rushes 2 years ago, and no reseeding done.
    Will plan to do it again in April/May to get any small regrowth that's coming and attack another few areas that were not got yet.

    As 'just do it' said it was to target other weeds as well, the places I'm disappointed with are parts we cannot mow so they're very healthy strong 3ft tall rushes. And I find with wiping that with boggy type ground after sustained use of glyphosate it gets very wet. does anyone use a sticker like Rhino, osmonds sell it, I'm new to spraying and would be interested to hear if it makes any difference?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,554 Limestone Cowboy
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    dglhills wrote: »
    As 'just do it' said it was to target other weeds as well, the places I'm disappointed with are parts we cannot mow so they're very healthy strong 3ft tall rushes. And I find with wiping that with boggy type ground after sustained use of glyphosate it gets very wet. does anyone use a sticker like Rhino, osmonds sell it, I'm new to spraying and would be interested to hear if it makes any difference?

    Ya I normally use Rhino or Astra when I'm spraying rushes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,237 Username John
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    Bit of an old thread I know - but wondering is it too late to spray rushes now?

    Have a few, and I sprayed em earlier in the year. But I missed a few, and I wouldn't mind to give em quick once over.

    But wanted to check that I wouldn't be wasting my time, with it being a bit late in the year now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,554 Limestone Cowboy
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    Bit of an old thread I know - but wondering is it too late to spray rushes now?

    Have a few, and I sprayed em earlier in the year. But I missed a few, and I wouldn't mind to give em quick once over.

    But wanted to check that I wouldn't be wasting my time, with it being a bit late in the year now.

    Plough on john, perfect weather for it around here at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 Jb1989
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    Plough on john, perfect weather for it around here at the moment.

    +1 when the wind settles for few mins get it out
    Doing the same today when the sky clears,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 dohc turbo2
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    Jb1989 wrote: »
    +1 when the wind settles for few mins get it out
    Doing the same today when the sky clears,
    Have a few in one field , going to pull out the licker for them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 brandonw123


    Sprayed a few acres myself this evening ( first time spraying )
    Used 3L / acre of mortone.
    Looking at above posts was this too strong ( about 60% rushes)

    Anyone know how long before rushes start to die off?
    How long should animals be kept off?
    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 Jb1989
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    Sprayed a few acres myself this evening ( first time spraying )
    Used 3L / acre of mortone.
    Looking at above posts was this too strong ( about 60% rushes)

    Anyone know how long before rushes start to die off?
    How long should animals be kept off?
    Thanks

    Never used Mortone, but mcpa or agrioxone is recommended maximum 3.3 litres a hectare (1.32 litre a acre)
    A bit extra is no harm
    But too much extra will sicken the grass for a week or two and turn it orange and stunt it, but Jasus youl have a dead rush,
    Give them two months before topping or let due over the winter,
    Let cattle In anytime, or give it a day or two, it won't harm them like other spray killers,
    After that just read the instructions on the bottle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 Nekarsulm
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    Use a sticker, like Headland Rhino. Makes a serious difference. Especially with this kind of unpredictable weather.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 Nekarsulm
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    dglhills wrote: »
    Can I ask what rate you guys put on the chemical, I used agroxone this summer to limited/no success, used it at 3.5 and 5 litres per hectare, went on dry and dry for a few days after, would love to know what I'm doing wrong? Do people used a sticker or wetting agent? Thanks for any advice! I'm used to a weed wiper and the rushes dying almost immediately.

    Did you use lots of water per acre? Thick rushes I use about 150 litres per acre. You need to ensure they get well covered. Also height of boom over the target weed is important. 18 inches recommended. Higher than this and you lose a lot of chemical to drift.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,301 cj maxx
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    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Use a sticker, like Headland Rhino. Makes a serious difference. Especially with this kind of unpredictable weather.

    How much is that sticker ? Couldn't find a price on google . Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,301 cj maxx
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    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Use a sticker, like Headland Rhino. Makes a serious difference. Especially with this kind of unpredictable weather.

    How much is that sticker ? Google didn't show a price !
    Would a drop of fairy liquid ( how much ? ) do a similar job ?
    Thanks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 9935452
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    Jb1989 wrote: »
    Never used Mortone, but mcpa or agrioxone is recommended maximum 3.3 litres a hectare (1.32 litre a acre)
    A bit extra is no harm
    But too much extra will sicken the grass for a week or two and turn it orange and stunt it, but Jasus youl have a dead rush,
    Give them two months before topping or let due over the winter,
    Let cattle In anytime, or give it a day or two, it won't harm them like other spray killers,
    After that just read the instructions on the bottle

    We always find that we have to use mcpa 50 at nearly twice the manufactures max . 7 litres to 4 acres
    at 1.5 with old rushes we get a very bad kill.
    at twice it massacres everything but stunts the grass.
    A year or 2 later you wouldnt know there was rushes in a field


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,244 sea12
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    9935452 wrote: »
    We always find that we have to use mcpa 50 at nearly twice the manufactures max . 7 litres to 4 acres
    at 1.5 with old rushes we get a very bad kill.
    at twice it massacres everything but stunts the grass.
    A year or 2 later you wouldnt know there was rushes in a field

    Be careful how you record that in case of a cross compliance inspection


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 Nekarsulm
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    I always found that CMPP (back when it was legal for grassland) was better than MCPA, cleaner kill and longer lasting job. Even knocked he'll out of the docks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 9935452
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    sea12 wrote: »
    Be careful how you record that in case of a cross compliance inspection

    Thats the problem now isn't it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 The Real Elmer Fudd
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    I have a field of very heavy rush that I want to clear. I was thinking of hiring a mulcher to clear the old rush and spray the regrowth in the spring. The only problem is whats underneath could be very rough . There could be an odd stone or lump of clay sticking up out of the ground. I'm told with a mulcher being a geared machine that the rough ground would wrecked the gear box and I could end up paying a fortune to the machine owner to fix it if it goes wrong.

    So any other suggestions of how to clear the old heavy growth?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ABlur
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    I have a field of very heavy rush that I want to clear. I was thinking of hiring a mulcher to clear the old rush and spray the regrowth in the spring. The only problem is whats underneath could be very rough . There could be an odd stone or lump of clay sticking up out of the ground. I'm told with a mulcher being a geared machine that the rough ground would wrecked the gear box and I could end up paying a fortune to the machine owner to fix it if it goes wrong.

    So any other suggestions of how to clear the old heavy growth?

    I cut heavy growth like thus with a topper. First run to cut down to about 8 inches, high revs very low gear. Then I cut the remainder with the topper drove across the rows this time. Easy talk to the rushes after that. Spray the regrowth and they're much easier to manage now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 9935452
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    I have a field of very heavy rush that I want to clear. I was thinking of hiring a mulcher to clear the old rush and spray the regrowth in the spring. The only problem is whats underneath could be very rough . There could be an odd stone or lump of clay sticking up out of the ground. I'm told with a mulcher being a geared machine that the rough ground would wrecked the gear box and I could end up paying a fortune to the machine owner to fix it if it goes wrong.

    So any other suggestions of how to clear the old heavy growth?

    part of the reason we go out so heavy with the spray is we rarely cut the rushes beforehand.
    Put the spray out at twice what the manufacture says and it will kill 95 % of the rushes. Top then next year when they are dead and a quarter of the weight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 The Real Elmer Fudd
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    Hadn't thought of doing two runs with the topper. Had just thought of going straight to the butt which would just break shear pin after shear pin.

    Also hadn't thought of them being lighter to mow once they are dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 NABLOSE


    Hi All, dreaming of an Animal that would love to eat the rushes down to the ground :) maybe some rare asian water buffalo or something ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 826 ABlur
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    My neighbour takes in about 20 'horses' for over wintering every year. They graze the rushes bare for him!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 waalaa
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    NABLOSE wrote: »
    Hi All, dreaming of an Animal that would love to eat the rushes down to the ground :) maybe some rare asian water buffalo or something ;)
    The Irish Moiled will eat rushes, another plus for the native breeds.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 Green farmer
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    Hadn't thought of doing two runs with the topper. Had just thought of going straight to the butt which would just break shear pin after shear pin.

    Also hadn't thought of them being lighter to mow once they are dead.

    I bought a slip clutch pto shaft for my topper, for topping a few acreas of rushy bumpy ground with stones in it. The shaft just resets itself, instead of shearing bolts. Find it a good job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,316 tanko
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    ABlur wrote: »
    My neighbour takes in about 20 'horses' for over wintering every year. They graze the rushes bare for him!

    Beef farmers would be onto a winner if we could fatten horses on rushes.:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,301 cj maxx
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    Whats the latest you'd spray mcpa for rushes ? Got some sprayed earlier but have a few clumps i would hit.
    If i got a dry spell could i still spray ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 9935452
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    cjmc wrote: »
    Whats the latest you'd spray mcpa for rushes ? Got some sprayed earlier but have a few clumps i would hit.
    If i got a dry spell could i still spray ??

    its best done when they are still growing but you will still get a kill if you spray now. i went out with a weedwiper in november once and got a good kill but it took longer to work


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