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FG need Labour more.

  • 28-02-2011 7:38pm
    #1
    Uncle Ben
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    Now that FG have not secured the om, is it now time for the LP to turn up the heat and seek further concessions from their Programme for Govt. The alternative is that the LP sit in opposition while EK tries to keep control of a mish mash of independents.


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  • #2
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭paul71


    Uncle Ben wrote: »
    Now that FG have not secured the om, is it now time for the LP to turn up the heat and seek further concessions from their Programme for Govt. The alternative is that the LP sit in opposition while EK tries to keep control of a mish mash of independents.


    Would be a great policy for labour, but a disaster for Ireland.

    Thankfully both Labour and FG are not FF and don't think like this, they will both put the country before self interest unlike FF in the past.


  • #3
    RachaelVO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    They couldn't stick the country with a mish mash of independents again, sweet jesus I hope thats a lesson they have learned... Michael Lowry back in government, or even Michael Healy Rae... Sweet sh1te I hope they take at least one lesson from FF!!!!

    I think that if they can make good but tough decisions they can bring the country back from the brink, but labour will have to have the balls to stand up to FG otherwise they'd be better off in opposition!


  • #4
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,048 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    What do people mean "stand up to FG"? Ireland is absolutely broke. There is no money anymore. It's all about how quickly the cuts can be made, not about whether those cuts can be somehow avoided.

    Bertie Ahern fcuked us all over and now we have to return to sanity.


  • #5
    Uncle Ben
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Uncle Ben


    murphaph wrote: »
    What do people mean "stand up to FG"? Ireland is absolutely broke. There is no money anymore. It's all about how quickly the cuts can be made, not about whether those cuts can be somehow avoided.

    Bertie Ahern fcuked us all over and now we have to return to sanity.

    or

    It's all about how quickly the taxes can be raised, not about whether those taxes can be somehow avoided.;)


  • #6
    Sand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,884 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Taxes on what exactly?

    The flatlining property market?
    The struggling SMEs?
    The highly mobile MNCs who will relocate to Eastern Europe in a couple of months?
    Workers who are taking paycuts and/or are losing their jobs?
    Employers who are struggling to keep the lights on and the creditors from their door?

    And for what purpose? To keep the best paid, most underperforming civil service and most generous social welfare system going until the country is finally and totally broke?


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  • #7
    murphaph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,048 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Uncle Ben wrote: »
    or

    It's all about how quickly the taxes can be raised, not about whether those taxes can be somehow avoided.;)
    Ya can't get blood from a stone and as Sand rightly points out, for what? To maintain higher than European average levels of social welfare and public sector pay? Why?

    There will be tax increases, of that I have no doubt but the idea of stopping the deficit gap with taxation is wholly flawed and WILL result in Ireland being returned to an economic ice age.

    The problem is not that we don't pay enough tax, it's that we spend it on the wrong things.


  • #8
    RachaelVO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    murphaph wrote: »
    What do people mean "stand up to FG"? Ireland is absolutely broke. There is no money anymore. It's all about how quickly the cuts can be made, not about whether those cuts can be somehow avoided.

    Bertie Ahern fcuked us all over and now we have to return to sanity.

    In a coalition FG cannot have everything their own way they are are further right of centre than even FF. Labour will have to act as a sorta moral conscience and draw on their left roots.

    Some of FG policies will just screw those who have SFA, and let those who benefitted from cronyism off the hook. Not all their policies but the ones that count. You can only bleed the PAYE worker for so long before he chokes. At the same time Labour don't have all great ideas either, they need to mix and match and MOST importantly they have to be bloody honest and do all their dealings in front of the nation. FF had far too many closed doors, and you can bet your ars3 that just before they left office they appointed a whole loada cronies to boards of all sorts of things. The cronyism is what brought Ireland to it's knees and the only way to change it is to open up all the comings and goings of everything that goes on in the Dail and all the departments!


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