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Stone Tools (Pics)

  • 01-11-2010 11:43am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728
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    Hi

    Here are some pics of some of the objects I have found.

    Any input as to whether these appear to be genuine, greatly appreciated

    I have notified the National Museum, and they want to have a look.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 pueblo
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    Must be the only place on the internet where people have no opinion :D

    Thanks for having a look anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 katkin
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    Hard to tell because you'd need to be able to zoom in but they look natural enough, don't really look worked to me, but I'm no expert, where'd you find them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 pueblo
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    Thanks for the reply

    They were all found on a river bed. Most seem to be worked with evidence on different pieces of pecking, knapping, grinding and polishing.

    I'm no expert but there appears at to be a number of rough outs, or pre forms. Of the materials found I think I have identified rhyolite, chert, flint, lots of porphry and maybe something called gabbro.

    I have a large range of tools including axes, hand axes, scrapper, grinding stones, celts. and some microliths along with a lot of triangular shaped stones (boat stones?)

    I will get some higher def pics up later

    Have a look at better def pics here http://www.flickr.com/photos/pueblo_1969/


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Wibbs
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    They don't look worked to my eyes anyway. Just like natural stuff you'll find on any rocky riverbed. Some may well be, but river action is a bugger for removing detail unless you're talking about a very tough rock. Some may be stone axes, but any of the other possible tools are more like premodern human design. Again just my humble(I've collected stone tools along with fossils as a kid so read a fair bit and have done a lot of fishing in rocky rivers). I'd still bring them to the museum though. Maybe obvious archaic stone tools have been missed as they were thought of as naturals?

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 pueblo
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    Thanks for the reply.

    Your views that they are naturally occurring forms are shared by the National Museum! However, I still believe that these are worked tools and I hope to be able to bring a selection to the museum for clarification.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Wibbs
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    The only one that stands out to my eyes is the one in image 006. Third row down, second from the left. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pueblo_1969/5148514698/ The rest just look like (naturally) shaped and polished stones. Yes some of them are vaguely similar to polished stone axes and a couple may well be, but neolithic stone axes are usually very well made and symmetric. Others look vaguely like more archaic human shapes(handaxe like), which are unlikely to have survived in a river bed(and after successive glaciations, unless you're in south cork). I'd pick out the very best of them before bringing them along. Otherwise they may just take one look and go "nah they're all natural".

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 pueblo
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    Yes, you are right about the large number of items perhaps clouding the view. I had just come to the same conclusion as you, that if I selected the pieces with the most obvious signs of modification and showed them, I would be happy with whatever response that received.

    I have been back on to the National Museum and the Irish Stone Axe Project to see if anyone would look at a few pieces.

    On the impact the river may have had on the rocks it is possible that these were previously buried and only recently (could have been any time after their deposition) released through erosion into the river, or have been steadily released over time into the river resulting in varying degrees of riverine impact.

    Also, didn't they used to cover the entrances to important cairns with thousands of stone tools, axes, etc in lithic times?

    Will update here on progress. I will also try and get some more detailed shots showing signs of modification.


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