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Anti-Christian Attacks in Turkey

  • 03-06-2010 3:58pm
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    A senior Christian clergyman has been killed.

    Increased anti-West/anti-Christian/die-hard Muslim conviction and stoked outrage is the indirect cause of this.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/10228730.stm

    The Turks will never get into the EU if their people go on like this. Now that they've broken links with Israel, maybe they should start looking for partners elsewhere - oh, I don't know: Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc.? They've got far more in common with them than they do with Europe and Christianity.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 wes
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    This was a criminal act, and those responsible are being prosecuted. I don't see what else the Turkish authorities can do in this case.

    Now, there are a lot of reasons to criticise Turkey, but how are the state at fault for the actions of criminals?!?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 PeterIanStaker
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    As I've said before, religion brings hope to those whose lives have been torn apart by religion.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,663 faceman
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    I prefer chicken myself, turkey tends to be a little dry.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,104 easyeason3
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    Turkey is a stink, smelly rat hole that's crawling with pervy men & overly affectionate mangy cats.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 prinz
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    Man, who was the bishop's driver caught on the spot, apparently had ongoing mental issues.

    IIRC the last chap guilty of murdering the last Catholic priest in Turkey got 18 years in prison. There does seem to be a bit of a pattern emerging but it's certainly not being encouraged by the Turkish state.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 191 dublinguy2004
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    prinz wrote: »
    Man, who was the bishop's driver caught on the spot, apparently had ongoing mental issues.

    IIRC the last chap guilty of murdering the last Catholic priest in Turkey got 18 years in prison. There does seem to be a bit of a pattern emerging but it's certainly not being encouraged by the Turkish state.

    It's the mindset of the people there. The state itself is confused: they don't know what side of the fence they're on. That's what happens when politicians compete with each other - on one side we've the devout Muslims who do what their cleric says, on the other; EU secular lefties who wish to deny Turkey's history and bring them "into the 21st century".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 fontanalis
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    It's the mindset of the people there. The state itself is confused: they don't know what side of the fence they're on. That's what happens when politicians compete with each other - on one side we've the devout Muslims who do what their cleric says, on the other; EU secular lefties who wish to deny Turkey's history and bring them "into the 21st century".

    And I suppsoe in the middle the good EU christians, who deny their history of killing each other.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 prinz
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    It's the mindset of the people there.

    ...and the taxi driver in Cumbria represents the mindset of the English people :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 Winty
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    I worked in Istanbul back in 2005 / 2006 and was in a resturant the night Pope John Paul II died.

    The whole city came to a hault and said a wee pray for him. They were very fond of him as he did a lot of work trying to get Turkey into the EU.

    I only have good things to say for Turks and think Christians have nothing to fear


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 dlofnep
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    Oh, here we go with the anti-middle-east brigade.
    He was suffering from psychological problems, the provincial governor said.

    Shame on the OP for using the deaths of innocent people as an excuse to stir up anti-middle-east sentiments on boards.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,088 marco_polo
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Oh, here we go with the anti-middle-east brigade.



    Shame on the OP for using the deaths of innocent people as an excuse to stir up anti-middle-east sentiments on boards.

    Shame on the Beeb for such a shoddy article as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 Morlar
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    To say that it's not officially sanctioned does not hide the fact that there have been many occurrences over the years (including an infamous one where some christians were tortured and beheaded for selling bibles. There is also state reluctance to allow chrisitan churches to be built (or even in one case to be re-opened). This does not include the state reluctance to recognise the holocaust of armenian christians.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,834 Sonnenblumen
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    Has anyone seen the film Midnight Express? A real Turkish Delight?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 Nodin
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    A senior Christian clergyman has been killed.

    Increased anti-West/anti-Christian/die-hard Muslim conviction and stoked outrage is the indirect cause of this.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/10228730.stm

    The Turks will never get into the EU if their people go on like this. Now that they've broken links with Israel, maybe they should start looking for partners elsewhere - oh, I don't know: Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc.? They've got far more in common with them than they do with Europe and Christianity.

    The next time somebody from your area goes mental and does something bad, do you get blamed?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 philologos
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Oh, here we go with the anti-middle-east brigade.

    Shame on the OP for using the deaths of innocent people as an excuse to stir up anti-middle-east sentiments on boards.

    dfolnep, killings should prompt concern rather than accusations of anti-Middle East sentiment surely?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 getz
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    prinz wrote: »
    ...and the taxi driver in Cumbria represents the mindset of the English people :rolleyes:
    i would like to know how he got his gun licence,they are very carefull in giving them out,except in the case of the dunblain massacre when the person was a freemason who used his masonic connection to get one granted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 dlofnep
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    dfolnep, killings should prompt concern rather than accusations of anti-Middle East sentiment surely?

    The OP is attempting to correlate the random murder of a Christian, by a mentally unfit person - with some apparent, newly-found "anti-West/anti-Christian/die-hard Muslim conviction" in Turkey.

    It is disingenuous, and clearly a dismal attempt to stir up an anti-middle-east sentiment on boards. Every other poster in this thread saw his intent - why didn't you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,070 My name is URL
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    dfolnep, killings should prompt concern rather than accusations of anti-Middle East sentiment surely?

    I think the OP's agenda is more of a Pro-Isreal one, he's just using this as a proxy to legitimise current events there


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 Nodin
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    dfolnep, killings should prompt concern rather than accusations of anti-Middle East sentiment surely?

    You sure you read the whole OP there?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 philologos
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    The OP is attempting to correlate the random murder of a Christian, by a mentally unfit person - with some apparent, newly-found "anti-West/anti-Christian/die-hard Muslim conviction" in Turkey.

    It is disingenuous, and clearly a dismal attempt to stir up an anti-middle-east sentiment on boards. Every other poster in this thread saw his intent - why didn't you?

    There is concern over the freedom of religion in Turkey, in particular concerning evangelism, and practice.

    If there is also an issue with anti-Christian sentiment amongst individuals, then as far as I am concerned Turkey needs to step in and rectify this.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 dlofnep
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    There is concern over the freedom of religion in Turkey, in particular concerning evangelism, and practice.

    If there is also an issue with anti-Christian sentiment amongst individuals, then as far as I am concerned Turkey needs to step in and rectify this.

    Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. But the OP's post doesn't validate it. There's probably more of an anti-Christian sentiment in Ireland than in Turkey. Look closer to home before you allow yourself to be gulled in by someone with a political agenda.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 prinz
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. But the OP's post doesn't validate it. There's probably more of an anti-Christian sentiment in Ireland than in Turkey. Look closer to home before you allow yourself to be gulled in by someone with a political agenda.

    When was the last time someone was murdered simply for being a Christian in Ireland? It has happened in Turkey. In the OP's case I'll take the Turks at their word that this guy was mentaly unstable, that does not negate the fact that murders motivated by religion have happened in Turkey.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 191 dublinguy2004
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    I think the OP's agenda is more of a Pro-Isreal one, he's just using this as a proxy to legitimise current events there

    You're just a wooly leftie who doesn't know which side his bread is buttered on. You wouldn't last very long without the support of your beloved state.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 191 dublinguy2004
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    As I've said before, religion brings hope to those whose lives have been torn apart by religion.

    Ah yes, reinforcing boards anti-Christian sentiment. Silly populist statement rooted in ignorance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 prinz
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Oh, here we go with the anti-middle-east brigade. Shame on the OP for using the deaths of innocent people as an excuse to stir up anti-middle-east sentiments on boards.

    Again this is highly ironic, given that deaths of people is apparently fine to use as an excuse to stir up anti-Israeli/British etc whatever you're having yourself sentiment though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,070 My name is URL
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    You're just a wooly leftie who doesn't know which side his bread is buttered on. You wouldn't last very long without the support of your beloved state.

    Thanks for showing your hand, at least

    My beloved state? The same state that you choose to live in? Okay

    What exactly has my beloved state got to do with anything posted in this thread? Cop on to yourself..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,729 Pride Fighter
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    There is concern over the freedom of religion in Turkey, in particular concerning evangelism, and practice.

    If there is also an issue with anti-Christian sentiment amongst individuals, then as far as I am concerned Turkey needs to step in and rectify this.

    There is no concern. Turkey is a secular republic and has been for 90 years. This means that people can worship who they like. All religions are treated equally and none are involved in the running of the state.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 philologos
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. But the OP's post doesn't validate it. There's probably more of an anti-Christian sentiment in Ireland than in Turkey. Look closer to home before you allow yourself to be gulled in by someone with a political agenda.

    I disagree entirely.

    Criticism of Christianity is one thing. Murdering someone on religious or irreligious grounds, is another.

    I'm not allowing myself to be "gulled" in. I realise that Turkey in general is good in comparison to many of its neighbours, but there are human rights issues concerning freedom of religion in Turkey still.

    I think it's a bit rash of you to suggest that talking about a Christian being killed in Turkey amounts to anti-Middle Eastern sentiment. It's a bit of a stretch!

    It's really absurd to say that it is any worse in Ireland.

    Pride Fighter - In theory there is freedom of religion, it isn't always true in reality. It is still concerning that a person has been murdered on religious grounds, and people need to take serious action quickly to put the message across that all are welcome in Turkey even if they aren't Muslims.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 getz
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    I disagree entirely.

    Criticism of Christianity is one thing. Murdering someone on religious or irreligious grounds, is another.

    I'm not allowing myself to be "gulled" in. I realise that Turkey in general is good in comparison to many of its neighbours, but there are human rights issues concerning freedom of religion in Turkey still.

    I think it's a bit rash of you to suggest that talking about a Christian being killed in Turkey amounts to anti-Middle Eastern sentiment. It's a bit of a stretch!

    It's really absurd to say that it is any worse in Ireland.

    Pride Fighter - In theory there is freedom of religion, it isn't always true in reality. It is still concerning that a person has been murdered on religious grounds, and people need to take serious action quickly to put the message across that all are welcome in Turkey even if they aren't Muslims.
    turkey will clamp down if they feel there is any anti-christain feeling,christain tourism is a very large part of their income,its a safe place to take holidays


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 Pace2008
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    They've got far more in common with them than they do with Europe and Christianity.
    You seem to see some intrinsic link between the Europe and Christianity but the mouldering religion's on the decline on the continent and will begin its protracted death in this country once the indoctrinated older generation dies off.

    I found ANOTHER one of your accounts by the way: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/member.php?u=299273

    What's wrong with the one, man? Seriously.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 philologos
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    Pace2008 wrote: »
    You seem to see some intrinsic link between the Europe and Christianity but the mouldering religion's on the decline on the continent and will begin its protracted death in this country once the indoctrinated older generation dies off.

    Friedrich Nietzsche tried that one as well. I doubt Christianity will ever die off in Europe, it is certainly declining in regions for the time being.

    If it continues to grow, in other regions of the world as it is doing, Christianity looks set to stay in the global scene, and ultimately in the European scene due to global influence.


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    Jakkass wrote: »
    Friedrich Nietzsche tried that one as well. I doubt Christianity will ever die off in Europe, it is certainly declining in regions for the time being.

    If it continues to grow, in other regions of the world as it is doing, Christianity looks set to stay in the global scene, and ultimately in the European scene due to global influence.

    Humans are evolving past religion, it is only a matter of time.


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    prinz wrote: »
    Again this is highly ironic, given that deaths of people is apparently fine to use as an excuse to stir up anti-Israeli/British etc whatever you're having yourself sentiment though.

    So now you're equating the actions of a lunatic with the actions of a state.....?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 philologos
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    karma_ wrote: »
    Humans are evolving past religion, it is only a matter of time.

    The facts state otherwise. Christianity worldwide has never been in a better position. If you want to take belief in this, that's your prerogative, just don't expect the rest of us to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 omega666
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    I disagree entirely.

    Criticism of Christianity is one thing. Murdering someone on religious or irreligious grounds, is another.

    I'm not allowing myself to be "gulled" in. I realise that Turkey in general is good in comparison to many of its neighbours, but there are human rights issues concerning freedom of religion in Turkey still.

    I think it's a bit rash of you to suggest that talking about a Christian being killed in Turkey amounts to anti-Middle Eastern sentiment. It's a bit of a stretch!

    It's really absurd to say that it is any worse in Ireland.

    Pride Fighter - In theory there is freedom of religion, it isn't always true in reality. It is still concerning that a person has been murdered on religious grounds, and people need to take serious action quickly to put the message across that all are welcome in Turkey even if they aren't Muslims.




    what r ya on about, there been hundreds of people murdered in this country (32 counties) purely because of thier religion. whats the difference


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 karma_
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    The facts state otherwise. Christianity worldwide has never been in a better position. If you want to take belief in this, that's your prerogative, just don't expect the rest of us to.

    I expect it to be another generation at least, but Atheism is on the up and up in a big bad way, and it will get there I have no doubt, it's just a pity I won't be about to witness it.


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    omega666 wrote: »
    what r ya on about, there been hundreds of people murdered in this country (32 counties) purely because of thier religion. whats the difference
    There's a big difference.

    Most were killed based on grounds of political beliefs, rather than religious affiliation.

    Moreover, in Ireland as it is (in comparison to Turkey as it is) there aren't targeted killings of clergy from religious denominations. We recognise that people are free to choose to believe in Christianity, Islam, Judaism or any number of faiths. We also understand that people are free to share their faiths with other people by means of exercising free speech.

    This is not always the case in Turkey, and it is something I would hope to see an improvement in over time. Freedom of conscience is one of the most important human rights.

    It is too serious to say that talking about this is "anti-Middle Eastern sentiment".

    The OP is wrong to say this is the reason why Turkey should never enter the EU, but nonetheless, this is a very serious issue.

    karma: Only in Europe, and North America to a lesser extent. In reality if Christianity ever leaves Europe (and I'm seriously doubting this given what I know about Christian student involvement in Europe, it's far from dead) another faith such as Islam will begin to fill the void.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 omega666
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    There's a big difference.

    Most were killed based on grounds of political beliefs, rather than religious affiliation.
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    the loyalist death squads killed people purely becuase they were catholics.
    it was very much a secitarian conflict as much as political.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,945 dr.bollocko
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    We are done on this thread for a few reasons. The OP has been banned. Lets call it successful troll is successful, shake hands and move on with our lives.


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