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Plant x titanium (any good)

  • 22-03-2010 9:06pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700
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    Has anyone got a planet-x ti frame? are they worth the money?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 110 andun84
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    Road or Sportive?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 sy
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    I think The tax man has one and he seems very happy with it. I'm sure he will answer any of your queries when he reads this post or pm him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 kayaksurfbum
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    andun84 wrote: »
    Road or Sportive?


    Thats another question i have, cant see much or a difference between the two on the site.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,995 blorg
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    sy wrote: »
    I think The tax man has one and he seems very happy with it.
    The tax man has two, one of each type.

    Bear in mind with PX that they are changing supplier from Lynskey to Van Nicholas. Remains to be seen, the new frames may be just as good, but for pure bike snobbery value I would probably rate Lynskey over VN (and I have a VN.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 Quigs Snr
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    Well, well, well, my neighbour is a titanium riding hippie ! The word on the street is that the Planet X Ti frames are excellent and compare very well with other brands. You would expect that though as their first one was a Lynksey one (Titanium Gods basically).

    The differences between the pro and sportive are geometry. The sportive has a higher head tube (piece that your forks go through), this lifts the bars a bit higher for a more comfy position, the sportive also has a shorter top tube. Again this puts you in a more upright position and suits the less flexible old timers or touring/leisure riders.

    If I were you I would go for a the Pro Road version. Its a proper racing geometry and you are going to be doing a few races so it will be a better all round choice for you I reckon.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 110 andun84
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    Thats another question i have, cant see much or a difference between the two on the site.

    M(51) M(52)
    Seat Tube (mm) – Centre to Top 510 520
    Equivalent Top Tube Length (mm) – C-C 547 540
    Seat Angle (deg) 73.5 74
    Head Angle (deg) 72.5 72.5
    Head Tube Length (mm) 118 135

    Road is the first one and the sportive the second set of figures.

    As you can see the road has much lower and stretched out position. The sportive has mudguard mounts (no racks mounts though) on the rear however the supplied fork (if you get the frameset) does not have mudguard mounts. I just used crud road racers myself which fit fine on my sportive.

    I have the sportive as I have very tight hamstrings and the more relaxed geometry just suits me better.

    I can therefore only talk about the sportive. For me it is a fantastic go anywhere frame that I am nearly always as happy to ride as my carbon (which I love when I want to just go out a blast round in the sun).

    It's not the most responsive frame and can take a little getting used to if you are used to a more responsive race bike but that's not a criticism as that's what you would expect from a sportive bike.

    The thing I love about it is that you just wash it down and it comes up like you just bought it yesterday. It has done 2 winters for me now and it just comes up gleaming. More than can be said of my carbon frame with its paintwork to worry about which shows the inevitable chips and cable rubs, unless you cover it in plastic sheeting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 crumliniano
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    In the Cycling Plus Bike of the Year Top 50 published this month the Van Nicholas Mistral was their favourite of three titanium bikes tested - the others being PBK Titanium and Lynskey Cooper. They all got 9/10 mind. I don't know if the Mistral is the same frame as the PX one but interesting all the same. Also Planet X Nano (carbon) was the lowest scoring bike of the 50 at 6/10.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 sy
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    In the Cycling Plus Bike of the Year Top 50 published this month the Van Nicholas Mistral was their favourite of three titanium bikes tested - the others being PBK Titanium and Lynskey Cooper. They all got 9/10 mind. I don't know if the Mistral is the same frame as the PX one but interesting all the same. Also Planet X Nano (carbon) was the lowest scoring bike of the 50 at 6/10.
    Any link to the list or is just magazine only?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 kayaksurfbum
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    If a Ti frame make me a hippie, thats totally cool with me dude. I like the sound of the pro road alright. The durability of the Ti is what really appeals to me, looks cool too!

    Thanks for the reply's


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 110 andun84
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    You should read this as Dave, the owner of Planet X, responded to the criticism of the new frame however he also went into the details of how they go about commissioning frames, etc which was very, very interesting read.

    http://www.bikeradar.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12681808&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 Quigs Snr
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    The repairability of titanium appeals to me too with all the carnage I am seeing on the roads these days. At least 2 of our race guys are on Titanium recently, both Litespeeds but I hear the PX is as good.

    Good choice overall. Would like one to add to the collection.Especially if they do the buy one get one free offer again (buy a ti frame get a carbon one, like they did when they launched the ti) Be sure to let me know when you get it. I would love to know if Titanium really is that comfortable to ride.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 kayaksurfbum
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    Buy one get one free! that would be cool.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 110 andun84
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    Buy one get one free! that would be cool.

    I got 20% off mine so I was well happy with that. It amounted to ~£400 off (fully built up dura-ace specced bike - with compact fsa because I'm not man enough to ride a 53/39 but then I have the Mournes on my doorstep - that's my excuse anyway)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 crumliniano
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    sy wrote: »
    Any link to the list or is just magazine only?

    @sy Magazine only. Worth the read.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 Ryder
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    Have the pro road almost a year now. Very happy with it. Responsive, tracks well and no flex that I can detect.
    Comfortable for long cycles.
    Never rode carbon so have no base to compare it to, but if i had the option id go for it again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 crumliniano
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    blorg wrote: »
    The tax man has two, one of each type.

    Bear in mind with PX that they are changing supplier from Lynskey to Van Nicholas. Remains to be seen, the new frames may be just as good, but for pure bike snobbery value I would probably rate Lynskey over VN (and I have a VN.)

    @Blorg What's the VN like Blorg? They look pretty good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 papac
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    Originally Posted by kayaksurfbum viewpost.gif
    Thats another question i have, cant see much or a difference between the two on the site.

    Neither could I when I looked.
    M(51) M(52)
    Seat Tube (mm) – Centre to Top 510 520
    Equivalent Top Tube Length (mm) – C-C 547 540
    Seat Angle (deg) 73.5 74
    Head Angle (deg) 72.5 72.5
    Head Tube Length (mm) 118 135

    Road is the first one and the sportive the second set of figures.

    As you can see the road has much lower and stretched out position.

    Top tube difference is actually cancelled out by seat tube angle so they are the same length really.

    Head tube difference is 17mm.Hardly "much lower and stretched out" position imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 The tax man
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    Only thing I can add to what's already been said is the sportive frame has clearance and mounts for full mudguards when matched with the Alpha Q fork available on PX. I started off with the Pro road and loved the handling and the feedback it gave and the titanium takes the sting out of the rough Irish roads.

    While I was in the market for a long distance bike Planet X had an offer on the price of the Ti frames,so it was a no brainer and I grabbed the sportive frame.

    The build on both my bikes is quite different but I'm a happy owner of both frames.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 110 andun84
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    papac wrote: »
    Neither could I when I looked.



    Top tube difference is actually cancelled out by seat tube angle so they are the same length really.

    Head tube difference is 17mm.Hardly "much lower and stretched out" position imo.

    It's all relative. That's a lot of difference for me and the difference between comfortable and injured - actually well beyond what I can handle. I play about with 2 or is 3mm spacers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,995 blorg
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    @Blorg What's the VN like Blorg? They look pretty good.
    Van Nicholas Amazon, a tourer, very happy with it but not really comparable to a race bike. Reasonably light for a tourer; I have been up the Pyrenees with it both unloaded and loaded.

    I also have a Litespeed Archon as my good race bike. It is a very nice ride and remarkably stiff for titanium. Lynskey founded Litespeed so they have good heritage there.

    Have and have had plenty of carbon too though and it is just as good, just not metal.

    To be honest I have given up paying ANY attention to magazine reviews, they are completely unreliable. I would focus on direct user reports from forums instead.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 papac
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    It's all relative.

    Of course it is.


    @andun84. Wasn't trying to diss what you said. Just thought it worth pointing out that for the average person they ain't that different geometrically.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 110 andun84
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    papac wrote: »
    Of course it is.


    @andun84. Wasn't trying to diss what you said. Just thought it worth pointing out that for the average person they ain't that different geometrically.:)

    Yep would agree that there are of course far more radical. For someone like me who with a flipped stem and only 1 spacer above then the road would just have meant a really silly upward upslopping stem and that's all I could think off when I was looking at the geometry :D:eek:


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