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Rounders

  • 09-03-2007 1:05am
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    The movie was on TV the other night (Film 4), I have it on DVD but havn't watched it in ages but I have to admit I like it. Whatever about Ed Norton's cheating antics, there are a couple of things in the movie that I was wondering how people here would deal with.


    1. Playing with a known cheater in 5 card draw and you get an ace, would you check? He was at the table a long time and everyone knew his style of play, surely to check to the ace was more of a tip off that anything else? Personally I would have stood up from the table and taken a break or bet the ace and folding to any raise.

    2. Just cause you have bluffed a "pro" off a pot, would you automatically think you are a great card player? Personally, 1 hand doesn't make a good card player, bluff or not, if I wanted to know how good I was I would have kept playing. I've played against a couple of pros, won a couple of hands but in the long run I've paid more of their bills that they have mine, I consider myself a bad player btw.

    3. Your playing heads up poker, you get dealt A 5 suited, would you let the dealer limp in? In the movie he reckoned he was up against 2 4. Personally I'd be throwing in 2x the big blind and persume 2 4 wouldn't call. The flop was A 3 5 btw.

    4. I think the last hand was played well, Matt Damon flopped a straight and led his opponent to think he had nothing with verbal tells. How bad a player was John Malkovich (sp.) by allowing himself to be sucked in?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 RoundTower
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    EuroRounders

    Michel (voiceover): "If you can't find the boorish
    American hold'em player at the table within half an
    hour, you are the boorish American hold'em player."


    TITLE/CREDITS. This entire movie is in black and
    white, with subtitles.


    Michel (voiceover): "This game is really scummy, and
    well above what I can afford to play. My entire
    bankroll is riding on this one session going well.
    This is Teddy CIA's place, where they only play Pot
    Limit Omaha, the most sophisticated game in Europe."

    - Michel knocks on the window -

    Teddy CIA: "You want poker, or whóres?"

    Michel: "Poker. Give me three stacks of high, elitist
    society."


    Michel: "I raise."

    Teddy CIA: "It's a position raise. I call."

    - The flop comes 5-7-A, with two diamonds -

    Michel: "I bet the pot."

    Teddy CIA: "I raise the pot."

    Michel: "I reraise the pot."

    Teddy CIA: "I reraise the pot."

    Michel: "Pot."

    Teddy CIA: "Pot."

    Michel: "Pot."

    Teddy CIA: "Pot."

    Michel: "Pot."

    Teddy CIA: "Pot."

    Michel (voiceover): "I sit back and think. I have
    three aces - the best possible hand. I want him to
    think I'm debating a call, but really I'm just
    thinking about Monte Carlo, and whatever the
    [censored] is in Monte Carlo."

    Michel: *shrugs* "Okay, well, I re-pot it, I'm all in,
    because I don't think you have a pair." *winks at the
    camera*

    Teddy CIA: "Who are you winking at? It doesn't matter,
    I call."

    Michel (voiceover): "I know before he even says it."

    Teddy CIA: "I have 8-6-4-3 with two diamonds, for a
    wrap straight draw and a flush draw, which is a
    favorite over your top set."

    - Turn is a King. River is a 2 which gives Teddy CIA
    an ace-to-five straight for the win. -

    - Michel sits there, shell-shocked. -

    Joey Croissant: "Come on, I'll get you a whóre."


    Michel (voiceover): "Well, that sucked. Since then,
    I've sworn off of poker and made my living as a
    roadside prostitute for boorish American tourists.
    Hopefully, I can pay my way through law school that
    way. I can always find games, though. I could turn
    this truck onto the road and be at the Taj in 19 and a
    half hours."


    Michel (voiceover): "I'm here to pick my friend Worm
    up from prison."

    - Worm walks out of prison -

    Michel: "Worm! It's wonderful to see you!"

    - They kiss each other passionately on the mouth -

    Michel: "How was prison?"

    Worm: "I was brutally sodomized on a regular basis."


    Michel: "Look...Croissant, I never told you this, but
    about a year ago, I was playing poker at the Casino
    des Atlantes, and Marcel Luske walks in. He sits down
    at the 50/100 pot limit game. And, I mean, the whole
    place stops, right? Just watching this guy play. After
    a while there isn't a retarded European gambling game
    going, because everybody's just, you know, watching
    this guy."

    - Joey Croissant nods -

    Michel: "So you know what I did? I sat down."

    Joey Croissant: "No way, you need at least 300,000
    euros to sit down at a game like that. Such bad
    financial management is typical of a boorish
    American!"

    - Joey Croissant and Michel laugh for twenty-six
    minutes -

    Michel: "Right, okay, but seriously, I played for an
    hour, doing nothing but folding. Then I won a huge
    pot."

    Joey Croissant: "Aces? Kings? Ace-King doublesuited?
    Suited aces? High connectors? Middle doublesuited
    connectors? Two big pair?"

    Michel: "Rags."

    Joey Croissant: "That's probably fine too, you're only
    like a 48/52 dog."

    Michel: "I raised. And he came over the top of me,
    like I was a boorish American. I re-popped it. He
    potted it again. I think for like two seconds and then
    I re-pot it."

    Joey Croissant: "Jesus [censored] Christ, how much
    money did you have?"

    Michel: "After I bet I would quietly slide my chips
    back toward my stack, nobody noticed. Anyway, he
    thinks for a while, looks at me, checks his cards
    again, and he mucks. I take it down. And then he looks
    at me and says, 'I have to know. Did you have it?' And
    I said, 'I'm sorry Marcel, I can't remember.'"

    Joey Croissant: "Face!"

    Michel: "I know, totally. Anyway, based on that one
    hand, I felt confident gambling for all the money I
    had, at one time."


    Law Professor: "I am a Jew."

    Michel: "I hate you."


    Teddy CIA: "We play, heads up, Pot Limit Omaha, 25 and
    50 blinds, until one of us has it all?"

    Michel: "Out of sheer curiosity, you realize you're
    giving up like boat loads of equity by agreeing to
    gamble for money that's effectively yours anyway,
    right? That you could just not let me play, and then
    kill me and take what I have?"

    Teddy CIA: "I know, but I am a boorish American!"

    - Michel and Teddy CIA laugh for seventy-two minutes -


    Michel (voiceover): "I pick up Ace-Ace-Jack-Ten
    doublesuited."

    Michel: "I raise the pot."

    Teddy CIA: "Very aggressive. But, I reraise the pot."

    Michael (voiceover): "He's representing
    Ace-Ace-King-King doublesuited, the only hand better
    than mine. I can't call, and give him a chance to
    catch. I can only fold...if I believe him."

    Michel: "I reraise, I'm all in."

    Teddy CIA: "Take it down."


    - The flop reads 10-9-5, with two spades -

    Michel: "Pot."

    Teddy CIA: "Pot."

    Michel: "Pot."

    Teddy CIA: "Pot."

    Michel: "Pot."

    Teddy CIA: "Pot."

    Michel: "Pot. I'm all in."

    Teddy CIA: "Alright, I call. What do you have?"

    Michel: "Jack high flush draw and middle set."

    Teddy CIA: "Wrap, with a king high flush draw."

    Michel: "Boy, I sure hope my 5:4 edge holds up,
    otherwise I am going to die."

    - Turn is an off-suit 5, giving Michel an unbeatable
    hand. But the river is the ace of spades anyway,
    because it's always the [censored] ace of spades. -

    Teddy CIA: "He beat me. Pay that man his money. His
    silly, silly-looking European money."


    Cab Driver: "Where are you off to?"

    Michel: "Monte Carlo."

    Cab Driver: "Good luck."

    Michel: "Shut the [censored] up."
    .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 658 Hawk Eye
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    I'm on a 15 buyin downswing but that euro rounders sure did put a smile back on my face:D :D:D


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,028 Clareman
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    That eurorounder is very good, good post RoundTower


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 Sinfonia
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    Yeah, love that EuroRounders, so funny.


    Clareman, yeah I think there's a lot of stupid stuff in the movie, but it makes it more exciting I suppose, and makes it more accessible to those who don't really know the game...
    I seem to recall NickyOD (I think) going through some of the stupid stuff, like when Michael plays against Teddy KGB the 2nd time, the first hand, blinds $25/$50, he raises to $1000!!! and then KGB raises to $5000 on a bluff!
    Clareman wrote:
    How bad a player was John Malkovich

    How bad an actor was John Malkovich??? Worst Russian accent ever


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,434 LuckyLloyd
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 yahoo_moe
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    SumGuy wrote:
    How bad an actor was John Malkovich??? Worst Russian accent ever

    no, Sean Connery in Hunt for Red October, no question. At least you knew Malkovich was trying to sound Russian, Connery was just a Scottish bloke in a submarine...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,047 bill_ashmount
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    Saw it the other night for the first time. Enjoyed it.

    The EuroRounders is a classic, best i've read in a long time. :D:D


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,028 Clareman
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    I think alot of people use the film as a training guide, judging by their raising standards.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 Mr.Plough
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    love when he says


    "why do you think the same guys make it to the final table of the world series every single year"


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