Declaring my hand? Ruling plz?

Rockfish

i was playing in a pub tourney last night and at the final table i raised utg and received 2 callers. After the flop which was A-Q-10 i announced that i had pocket 10's (which i had) and went all in. I got no callers but showed my 10's to the table. The tournament director then gave me a warning and said the house rule was that if someone correctly declared their hands it would be declared dead. He let me off with a warning as this was my first time in this tourney. Surely there is no such rule or is there?

DeVore

Yup. You cannot uniquely identify your hand. You can say "I have a big draw" or "I'm all over that flop like a rash on your ma" but you can't identify your hand. Nor can you prevaricate with tricks like "I have either AT or QT". etc.

Also, um... I dont mean to sound smart but most people try to hide the fact that they've hit a set! Why on God's earth would you tell them? If this is some sort of "reverse psychology" thing I think you'll find you'll get a lot more chips more often saying nothing.

DeV.

Rockfish

Also, um... I dont mean to sound smart but most people try to hide the fact that they've hit a set! Why on God's earth would you tell them? If this is some sort of [B]"reverse psychology[/B]" thing I think you'll find you'll get a lot more chips more often saying nothing.

Thats what i was at, trying to be too smart. You are right though and thanks for clearing up that query.

Imposter

I've seen that mentioned here before and I think it's a stupid rule. If you can 'declare' a false hand then why can't you declare the correct one!

Is that a rule just in Ireland or is it used elsewhere too? It's never used here in Linz.

Nocturnal

I was playing in Harrrah's casino in Lake tahoe Nevada,I remembered this rule,A player went all in and declared he had pocket aces.Then I made the call he turned over Ace's and took down the pot.I asked the dealer about that rule and she said it didnt stand in their casino. I guess it must be house rules.

Mellor

What if you say I have "the nuts".
This isn't uniquely identify your hand. So is it allowed??

tricky D

This needs some qualification. When heads up, speech play is allowed, including revealing hand contents, truthfully or otherwise. As with all rules, this varies from casino to casino or more from dealer to dealer, so be careful. I allow any speech play when heads up or when the action is only between two players. Otherwise strictly no speech play, even including if you're on a draw etc., at my table. I usually let the players know when they are free to speech play and cut them off really quick when they're not.

NickyOD

This is a really horrible situation and tough to make the right ruling on. I discourage revelaing info about your hand false or otherwise. You can't just make a half arsed ruling like not permiiting people to reveal there exact hole cards but allow them to say I have 2 pair, because this is giving info that allows players to define the hand within a very small range.

Lets say first to act bets, Player 2 raises, Player 3 calls the raise and when its back to player 1 player 2 says. If you can't beat 2 pair your hand is no good. This is bull**** that can't be allowed as Player 3 wasn't privy to this info before he called. even if its false info its still info that can be interpreted by player 1 and acted upon whcih player 3 coulnd't do. There's also a possibility of collusion in this situation. I would give a penalty in this situation every time.

In heads up pots I think its fair to say that "speachplay" is ok as long as there is no possilbilty of softplaying, although in my view releasing hand info not speachplay. Speachplay is when you tell say "You call me, its all over baby". This is not the same as saying "I have top house, you should fold".

RoundTower

DeVore wrote:

Yup. You cannot uniquely identify your hand. You can say "I have a big draw" or "I'm all over that flop like a rash on your ma" but you can't identify your hand. Nor can you prevaricate with tricks like "I have either AT or QT". etc.

A lot of people think this is the rule (like a lot of other rules) but in any respectable cardroom it isn't.