Omaha Cash Hands

Iceman78

I have just started to play some PL omaha on Tribeca over the last few weeks. Been doing ok at the low levels as the standard does not seem very high.

I would just like peoples opinions on this hand as im not sure if i played it correctly and would like to improve my game.

Sat down at 25c/50c table with 35 dollars and have done well enough and run it up to 65 dollars when this hand occurred. Its a 6 handed table and there was only 5 at table when this hand was played.

Im on the button.
Villain is UTG(villain has got stack from 50 when i joined table up to 170, outdrew 2 people horribly for both their stacks and seems very fishy. Has been pushing with any over pair to board or any big flush draw so far. Caught flush against trips on river in first hand and made bigger house on river by catching his overpair 3rd card to win other big pot when other player flopped a house on 2nd big hand)

UTG raises to 1.75.
I call on button with 6778 double suited.
BB calls too.

Flop comes 689, 2 hearts and i have none in my hand.

BB checks, Villain bets pot, i repot as i feel he is making continuation bet with any over pair. BB calls my bet and is all in and villain pushes for rest of my stack. Should i call or is this a laydown?

ianmc38

What's the villains sn? If it's luckydoly69 instacall. He's the biggest PLO fish on tribeca.

How much of your stack have you invested in the pot? It's a very close decision either way. Based on your description of the villain, I'm leaning towards a call if he can do this with any draw or an overpair.

DapperGent

I think this is a pretty definate repot preflop - you have a beautiful hand.

Most of the time I would only call here against a very bad player. From your description that's exactly what you're up against. It would be interesting to know how much the BB had when it was lumped in ie would it demonstrate a reasonable hand or just getting a tiny stack in on anything. I think with blockers to the nuts, bottom two and an ok draw against a villan with a history of overplaying hands you have to find a call here. You have plenty of ways of sucking out on him if he actually does have a hand.

I would imagine you'll be shown TJ with a pair or rarely with a heart draw here a lot more than you will the nuts or a monster draw or a set. The BB can also have a lot of his outs blocked that shortstack push smacks of a flush draw.

Yeah anyway call, it's yamaha - embrace the sick variance. Don't be buying in short though. It's a bad idea in Omaha, shorter stacks just get killed in my experience.

ianmc38

I have a feeling i might be a big fish btw , least I certainly remember a similarish hand to that one.

So I might be on 2 buddylists now! Talking to a player called "Kaitun" yesterday.

Kaitun: "Ian, I have you on my buddylist"
Me: "Really? Am I that bad? I know I'm a bit of a fish but...."
Kaitun: "No. I have you in my notes as avoid at all costs".
Me: Lol. Sweet.

Pwning the micros.

cardshark202

I fold here. You can disregard your 2 pair as you're essentially just 3-betting with the blockers which should work against slightly more competent opponents. I expect a combination of the BB and the muppet to have you in pretty bad shape. You could be drawing almost dead.

Flipper

I'd play it like this:

5 handed on the button, you wouldn't be wrong to raise with any four cards. Omaha is a flop hitting game and position is paramount. If you reckon the guy UTG is a fish, then I'd pretty much disregard his pre-flop raise. With stacks so deep relative to the blinds, you want to be in almost every pot with him that you're in position.

There's nothing wrong with re-potting this pre-flop but it isn't what I would do here (I'm sure most people will disagree). You've a nice hand but again, it needs to connect with the flop. When it comes 689 with 2 hearts, you're hands strength can be a bit misleading. 6778 (assuming the suits don't matter anymore) is really only bottom two pair and and a bad up-and-down that can't make the nuts. There's a lot of hands here that will follow your raise in. 89xx, TJQx, a set, a heart draw, etc. Even a bad straight (57xx) or an over pair (as you said he previously did) might re-raise. At these lower limits, you can expect to get paid off a lot more but just because some of them might be fish, doesn't mean that don't catch cards now and again!

Flops like that one are total action flops when played multiway and need to be handled carefully. In your situation, I'd fold but even with a big hand, I might still peel off the turn card to see where I stand. It's much easier to judge where you stand in the hand with one card to come.

The call after your raise on the flop could be a lot of things but most likely a flush draw. It's impossible to but the UTG player on a hand really but the bottom line is that by the river, it's very likely that your hand won't be beating much.

EDIT: I forgot to mention the 77 blockers. Betting the 2 7's is more advanced and could be basically forgotten here IMO

Iceman78

ianmc38 wrote:

What's the villains sn? If it's luckydoly69 instacall. He's the biggest PLO fish on tribeca.

How much of your stack have you invested in the pot? It's a very close decision either way. Based on your description of the villain, I'm leaning towards a call if he can do this with any draw or an overpair.

Unfortunately, the villain was not luckydoly, if it was, it would have been a definite call.

I have invested about half my stack in pot.

Lafortezza

It depends on how big the side pot will be I think, i.e. how much is in the BB's stack at the start of the hand.
If the side pot against the fishy Villain will be big then I jack it all in here.

RoundTower

agree with Flipper, your hand isn't as good as it looks here.

5starpool

This is a flop that is so nearly lovely, but is really a couple of cards too high. Fold.

Lafortezza

Iceman78 wrote:

Has been pushing with any over pair to board or any big flush draw so far.

If Villain is fishy enough to still push with an overpair on this flop after all this action then its an easy call, especially if the sidepot is big.

You are 50% to win the sidepot if Villain is holding an overpair and the nut flush draw

pokenum  -o 6d 7d 7s 8s  - ah 3h ac js  -- 6h 8h 9c 
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 9c 8h 6h
cards          win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie     EV
8s 7s  7d  6d  431  52.56   389  47.44    0  0.00  0.526
Js Ac  Ah  3h  389  47.44   431  52.56    0  0.00  0.474

You're 80% to win the sidepot if Villain is bad enough to push with *just* and over pair. So it depends on your read of Villain and how bit the sidepot will be, imho.

Iceman78

Thanks for all the replies lads. Some good information and i now feel that i overestimated the strength of my hand. Should have just called the flop bet but would have all went in on turn anyway as turn came an 8.

Pushed on flop and unfortunately the villain had a monster for once. Had trip 9s which was a disaster for me.

Lost a big pot but still learning and happy to get all the good tips.

Anyone fancy passing on any other good ideas for omaha cash, please pm me.