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Eircom cap?

  • 21-06-2004 7:27pm
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    I had Eircom bb installed 2/3 weeks ago. I've already hit 110% of my cap. Just wondering if Eircom have charged anyone yet?


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,072 Gonzo
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    i dont think they have, we have not seen any offical evidence on boards of someone being charged but eircom have plans to introduce charges very soon so they say.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 101 huge
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    what is eircom bb 256k cap? and do eirocm offer anything faster than 256k?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,072 Gonzo
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    eircom only offer 512k for home use, cap is 4gig for the cheap one and 8gig for the dearer package


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 101 huge
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    how much is 512k 4gb and 8gb and how much gb would you download a month on average


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 493 muffen
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    Originally posted by huge
    how much is 512k 4gb and 8gb and how much gb would you download a month on average

    Actually, Eircom offers up to 2MBit at home. Would be very hard for me to have 2MBit from Eircom otherwise :)

    Regarding the cap, it kinda depends on what you do and how you use it. Last month I downloaded 68gigs, and the month before I think I was 65gigs.

    If you don't use the line for downloading, but playing games, browsing etc, 4gigs should be enough.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,072 Gonzo
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    the 4gig service is €39,99 a month and the 8gig service is €54,99 a month, both are 512k..... big difference in price and only a mere 4 gig between them.

    Im on the 8gig service and altho no-ones been charged yet for exceeding the limit Im not gonna risk it. Its very easy to reach 8gig on broadband unless all you do is surf and read emails so you have to take it very easy most days. I always download within 100kb of my limit at the end of every month but if there was no download limit I coud easily down 1 to 2 gigs a day.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,072 Gonzo
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    I wouldnt recommend the 4gig service for a gamer tho as it also has a 1gig upload cap which would be well exceeded with a couple of hours of gaming every day by the end of the month. gaming uploads almost as much as it downloads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,221 Davey Devil
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    I wouldn't recommend Eircom fullstop. Get over to www.iol.ie/broadband for some better deals.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 101 huge
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    €54 hmm to much but i guess i have no choice i download a lot of music and videos and roms and emus plus play a lot of online gaming guess ill go for 8gb


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,221 Davey Devil
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    Eh did you miss my post?? IOL are far cheaper, if you wanna be ripped off go with Eircom.


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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,885 Hellrazer
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    Originally posted by Gonzo
    I wouldnt recommend the 4gig service for a gamer tho as it also has a 1gig upload cap which would be well exceeded with a couple of hours of gaming every day by the end of the month. gaming uploads almost as much as it downloads.


    I play Battlefield Vietnam almost every night for 2-3 hours or so and so far Ive never exceeded the 1 gig cap.All I use the BB for is gaming so Im not worried about the cap.
    Most months Id upload say 400-500mb and download probably 2 gigs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 KdjaCL
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    Originally posted by Gonzo
    I wouldnt recommend the 4gig service for a gamer tho as it also has a 1gig upload cap which would be well exceeded with a couple of hours of gaming every day by the end of the month. gaming uploads almost as much as it downloads.

    eh no , if you stayed on a server for the entire month 24/7 you would not get close to a gb, i would say at a guess 356mb upload for the entire month play a game.

    just a guess tho maybe 356560kb or there abouts:D


    kdjac


  • Site Banned Posts: 105 dark_knight_ire
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    Esat/BT are doing a good deal, ive signed up (waiting for them to install) 3 months free with a 8GB cap then the package is 37 a month however after the 3 free months i'll upgrade to a 16GB for 47 come on 10 euro for double the bandwidth i think its a sweet deal lol.


    Even better if you switch your home phone to them you can get the 16GB line for 39 a month.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14 SolarSys


    Eircom aren't charging for going over your monthly download cap at the moment! But be careful, any charging that they may start doing in the future could be back-dated and if you regularly go over your monthly cap you could be stung big time!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14 SolarSys


    To give you an idea of the kind of usage you would have do if have an 8GB monthly download.

    To use up your monthly download of 8BG you would have to do the following:

    Webpages - most webpages are about 20Kbytes so you would have to download 409,600 web pages.

    E-mail - the average text e-mail's are 2kbytes so you would have to download about 4096 e-mail's. (this can vary of course if you have attachments)

    Streaming - most audio streaming is 20 kbps so you would have to do about 24 days of constant streaming.

    Software - most software programs and games are about 100 MB so you would have to download about 80 or these!

    Hope this helps!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,339 tman
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    Originally posted by SolarSys
    To give you an idea of the kind of usage you would have do if have an 8GB monthly download.

    To use up your monthly download of 8BG you would have to do the following:

    Webpages - most webpages are about 20Kbytes so you would have to download 409,600 web pages.

    E-mail - the average text e-mail's are 2kbytes so you would have to download about 4096 e-mail's. (this can vary of course if you have attachments)

    Streaming - most audio streaming is 20 kbps so you would have to do about 24 days of constant streaming.

    Software - most software programs and games are about 100 MB so you would have to download about 80 or these!

    Hope this helps!!
    lol
    do you work for eircom?
    a game can be anywhere between 700mb & 8gb
    even most demo's are over 300mb these days


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 115 Goosey
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    Originally posted by Gonzo
    I wouldnt recommend the 4gig service for a gamer tho as it also has a 1gig upload cap which would be well exceeded with a couple of hours of gaming every day by the end of the month. gaming uploads almost as much as it downloads.


    I play DOD most nights and I have not exceeded my cap of 1 Gb upload.

    So no you will not exceed the upload based on gaming alone ..unless you do a rediculess amount of gaming during the month.

    Goosey


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14 SolarSys


    I wasn't talking about online Gaming such as XBOX Live. I really meant just general software downloads of about 100 MB's.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14 SolarSys


    All I'm stating is that you have to download 80 100 MB's files to use up your cap!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,072 Gonzo
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    basically your tied to download relatively small files and holding yourself back from downloading most of the day, the eircom 8gig cap works out an average of 265mb per day download which represents only 2 or 3 hours of downloading a day @ 54k/sec, basically 1mb every 20 seconds.

    If someone decides overnight to download a game or divx of 1.5 gb thats almost your weekly allowance used up already on just one download.

    Even if you never go near warez files your cap can still get eaten very quickly from high quality video streaming/online radio broadcasts, game demos, patchs, software trials, movie trailers, windows updates, emailing/receiving large work projects such as photoshop documents and lots of other stuff, then you got your regular web browseing, msn, icq, irc, gaming after that. Then most ppl have other members of the family using the broadband for their own use after you have finished.If most of us did the above on a daily basis for upto 5 or 6 hours a day (its broadband after all) on average the caps would be well blown by the end of the month. I would deem 30gig a month a fair usage agreement for someone who wants to use broadband as it was intended for non-warez activities.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,188 Ripwave
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    Originally posted by Gonzo
    If most of us did the above on a daily basis for upto 5 or 6 hours a day (its broadband after all) on average the caps would be well blown by the end of the month.
    And yet, funilly enough, on average the caps aren't well blown by the end of the month!
    I would deem 30gig a month a fair usage agreement for someone who wants to use broadband as it was intended for non-warez activities.
    In other words, Gonzo thinks that the average user should subsidise his usage patterns.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 tuxy
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    Originally posted by SolarSys



    Streaming - most audio streaming is 20 kbps so you would have to do about 24 days of constant streaming.



    this is way off any decent web radio is 128 kbs
    if i wanted to listen to a radio at 20 kbs i would of stuck with dial up

    also u arnt a gamer are u? alot of mods for games are 500 mb
    i play ut2004 and there are a few of these released ever month

    and stating oh u can download so many webpages or so many email is stupid
    thats like stating people will only use their connect for one purpose


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,317 Chalk
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    Originally posted by SolarSys


    E-mail - the average text e-mail's are 2kbytes so you would have to download about 4096 e-mail's. (this can vary of course if you have attachments)


    *mulitplies 2k x 4096*

    answer seems to be about 8192k or 8mb....

    thats a pretty big way off :lol:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,072 Gonzo
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    Originally posted by Ripwave
    And yet, funilly enough, on average the caps aren't well blown by the end of the month! In other words, Gonzo thinks that the average user should subsidise his usage patterns.

    No i dont think that others should subsidise for my usage patterns thankyou very much, I am merely suggesting that a 30gig cap would be a more realistic cap to allow us a little more leg room so we could download a couple of movie trailers per day and game demos, maps, patchs, mods etc without having to constantly check our usage patterns with every small download so we dont end up over 8gig at the end of the month. Apart from that it makes our broadband a more realistic experience thus better for the Irish consumer, something that most of us wouldnt argue with.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,188 Ripwave
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    Originally posted by Gonzo
    No i dont think that others should subsidise for my usage patterns thankyou very much, I am merely suggesting that a 30gig cap would be a more realistic cap to allow us a little more leg room so we could download a couple of movie trailers per day and game demos, maps, patchs, mods etc without having to constantly check our usage patterns with every small download so we dont end up over 8gig at the end of the month.
    If you want a bigger cap, pay for it. It's becoming increasingly commonplace for the broadband market to be segmented by "volume" as well as speed - high usage packages cost more than low usage packages (look at the offerings in many other EU countries). The "average user" doesn't need 30G a month, and should have to pay more to keep the price of a 30G package down.
    Apart from that it makes our broadband a more realistic experience thus better for the Irish consumer, something that most of us wouldnt argue with.
    Believe it or not, the vast majority of broadband users in this country are perfectly happy with their "broadband experience", and aren't finding that their style is cramped by the download cap. (If there was a significant demand for higher caps, then someone would be offering a high cap product).


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,072 Gonzo
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    unfortunately I cant pay for a higher cap as there isnt one available for home radsl yet, the eircom business is uncapped but its adsl which I cant avail of, I failed the test for adsl but passed for radsl. So im stuck with the 8gig cap weather i like it or not, there shud even be upgrade packs available to download extra stuff at a set fee but unfortunately we dont have that either so all we can do is wait for the download cap to be raised again in the future or else hope eircom bring out a 3rd package for the home with a higher cap and hopefully higher speed - i wud be prepared to pay a lil bit extra if that was the case.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,188 Ripwave
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    Originally posted by Gonzo
    unfortunately I cant pay for a higher cap as there isnt one available for home radsl yet, the eircom business is uncapped but its adsl which I cant avail of, I failed the test for adsl but passed for radsl. So im stuck with the 8gig cap weather i like it or not, there shud even be upgrade packs available to download extra stuff at a set fee but unfortunately we dont have that either so all we can do is wait for the download cap to be raised again in the future or else hope eircom bring out a 3rd package for the home with a higher cap and hopefully higher speed - i wud be prepared to pay a lil bit extra if that was the case.
    Well there you go - the "market" has responded to your needs, but you ignored the providers who offer a higher cap and ordered from eircom.

    Obviously you can't have been all that pushed about the cap.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,339 tman
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    aye, fair enough point.
    web pages are rarely 20k though... perhaps after you've cached their images they might be.
    point yourself at an unmoderated forum with no rules on sig image size and you'll soon have notched up 10mb of images just by browsing through a couple of threads


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,823 neacy69
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    how do you monitor your downloads?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,334 OfflerCrocGod
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    Depends on your ISP - IOL have this site here (leave out @iolbb from username) UTV have a similar thing and eircon also have one somewhere on their site.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 Shamo
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    Originally posted by neacy69
    how do you monitor your downloads?

    A program I use to monitor downloads is DU Meter, you can get it here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,943 Mutant_Fruit
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    E-mail - the average text e-mail's are 2kbytes so you would have to download about 4096 e-mail's. (this can vary of course if you have attachments)

    Ok, assuming the average e-mail is 10kbytes (meaning kilobytes), you should be able to download roughly (8*1024*1024)/10 messages, which is actually something along the lines of over 800,000 e-mails.

    And if each message is only 2kbytes, which would probably be a bit more accurate, you could get over 4 million e-mails a month.
    out an average of 265mb per day download which represents only 2 or 3 hours of downloading a day @ 54k/sec, basically 1mb every 20 seconds.
    1 meg every 20 seconds allows you to download 265mb in under an hour and a half... when you think of it that way, an 8gb cap is very restrictive.
    Streaming - most audio streaming is 20 kbps so you would have to do about 24 days of constant streaming.
    Actually, most streamed stuff is a fair bit higher than that. If you're streaming audio only, the lowest you'd expect to find would be 40kbps (56k speeds), going up to 96kbps for broadband. We'll just assume its 40kbps. That means you could listen to 24 days, which is a lot alright. However, this rockets skywards if you do video streaming/conferencing. The typical video stream could be about 200kbps, small enough to run on 256kbps internet. You could watch about 5 days of this. Quite a large amount though.
    Software - most software programs and games are about 100 MB so you would have to download about 80 or these!
    Let me just check out a demo for Unreal Tournament 2004... 200megs. I'm surprised it was so small myself. Still, you could download 40 of these demos, not too shabby at all.

    The problem is, when you combine all these activities, it is VERY easy to go over. I might watch some high quality streaming video for an hour or two (done that before), then download 2 game demos, then play some online games, do some video conferencing. Soon the cap is gone....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 balkieb2002
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    Originally posted by dark_knight_ire
    Esat/BT are doing a good deal, ive signed up (waiting for them to install) 3 months free with a 8GB cap then the package is 37 a month however after the 3 free months i'll upgrade to a 16GB for 47 come on 10 euro for double the bandwidth i think its a sweet deal lol.

    Even better if you switch your home phone to them you can get the 16GB line for 39 a month.

    Why are you starting off using the 8gb for the three months?? As its free for the first three months wouldn't it be better to start off with the 16gb, that way you're already getting double the download limit for free*.


    Also the mothly rate for IOL plus is only €47.00 (16gb)** compared to eircoms €54.45 (8gb) with main difference being as far as i can see slightly better speeds and better, but not by a whole lot in game pings.

    I can see only one option here...


    *T&C apply. Always read the small print!

    ** As its been mentioned before that price goes down to €39 if ya use their home package. Thats a saving of nearly €15/month with 8gb more to download


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 101 huge
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    it aint free for the 1st 3 months with 16gb cap


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,339 tman
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    Originally posted by huge
    it aint free for the 1st 3 months with 16gb cap
    **** it!
    looks like they changed that recently, it offered a free trial of both packages a few days ago:(
    prolly go with utv instead then


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 959 kin9pin
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    Originally posted by tman
    **** it!
    looks like they changed that recently, it offered a free trial of both packages a few days ago:(
    prolly go with utv instead then

    As much as I like UTV, I'd advise you to go with IOL. Unless of course you want pings ranging anywhere from 50 to 250 at any given time, which is what I've been getting this weekend.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,339 tman
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    no way could i make do with an 8gb cap though:(
    damn it! wish i'd connected my phone line when i moved into this gaff


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,339 tman
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    http://www.iol.ie/broadbandplus/bb_offer.htm

    hmmmm... seems that they haven't dropped the broadband plus free trial after all...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 sector
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    Call me crazy but when your using "broadband" you don't want or should need to worry about caps, it's madness.

    I was told recently that Eircom hasn't charged a single person for overusage so I guess until it becomes a problems like when they start to approach ratios then they'll consider it worth enforcing.

    When that'll be I don't know but with the uptake that's expect with the free 3 months it'll probably be 4th quarter 04 or 1st quarter 05

    T


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 101 huge
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    tell me should i get the 4gb or 8gb cap i play online games every night and i only download music (rarely videos) and also rarely apps


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,221 Davey Devil
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    Neither, fu*k Eircom get IOL.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 101 huge
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    do you work for iol or something god.. can some1 answer my question


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 816 Cryos
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    id get the 8gb just to be safe i know we dont use dads dsl line much and its generaly around the 3.5gig mark


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,885 Hellrazer
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    Originally posted by huge
    tell me should i get the 4gb or 8gb cap i play online games every night and i only download music (rarely videos) and also rarely apps

    If its just for gaming and the occasional download the 4 gig one is fine.For example this month Ive only uploaded 452mb and downloaded 2.5 gigs.Thats BF vietnam most nights for 2+ hours or so.Ive 2 days left to use up 2 gigs so maybe Ill get a few torrents or something.
    Richie


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 340 The Song Thrush
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    Originally posted by sector
    Call me crazy but when your using "broadband" you don't want or should need to worry about caps, it's madness.

    I was told recently that Eircom hasn't charged a single person for overusage so I guess until it becomes a problems like when they start to approach ratios then they'll consider it worth enforcing.
    They probably just want people to pay the extra €15 for 8gb.

    I just got brodband from Eircom last week @ 4gb a month. I've been keeping track of my downloads, but now that you all say no-one has been charged for overusage.... should I bother keeping track?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,339 tman
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    Originally posted by The Song Thrush
    I just got brodband from Eircom last week @ 4gb a month. I've been keeping track of my downloads, but now that you all say no-one has been charged for overusage.... should I bother keeping track?
    you're expecting eircom - the biggest bunch of money grubbing, mother whoring bastids out there - to not charge you for services rendered???
    i feel sorry for all the poor ****ers that go multiple gigs over their cap, it's only a matter of time before you get billed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,456 kida
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    And word on the street is they will back date the charges, even though the web site may not have been working apparently they have been capturing correct info.

    People won't have a leg to stand on if they do, its all in the T&C!!


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