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john_cappa · 11-01-2013 8:50pm

daddymac90 wrote: »

oh dear....beta alanine just gives you little tingles thats all it does

Thank for the heads up!

See here for an alternative perspective on BA usage

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17690198

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16868650

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17136505

Oisinjm · 11-01-2013 10:29pm

daddymac90 wrote: »

oh dear....beta alanine just gives you little tingles thats all it does

Here's a link to a Poliquin article on beta alanine. Does more than give you tingles. Solid references there as well, and Poliquin is a very well respected strength and conditioning coach.

Oisín

ronanc15 · 12-01-2013 11:53am

What way are ye taking in your Beta Alanine guys? I see that article mentions a Beta Alanine Supreme supplement which actually combines creatine and beta-alanine. What is everyone else using? The two i can see on Discount Supplements are Allmax and ROS

Oisinjm · 12-01-2013 1:18pm

ronanc15 wrote: »

What way are ye taking in your Beta Alanine guys? I see that article mentions a Beta Alanine Supreme supplement which actually combines creatine and beta-alanine. What is everyone else using? The two i can see on Discount Supplements are Allmax and ROS

I usually grab ROS Beta Alanine cause it's very handy for me to get, but MyProtein, Bulk Powders or any of their substitutes would have it as well at good prices. As for the supplement mentioned in the article, Poliquin is obviously going to try shift his wares on his website

his supplements are of a very high standard but that also comes with a very high price.

Oisín

ronanc15 · 12-01-2013 2:36pm

Oisinjm wrote: »

I usually grab ROS Beta Alanine cause it's very handy for me to get, but MyProtein, Bulk Powders or any of their substitutes would have it as well at good prices. As for the supplement mentioned in the article, Poliquin is obviously going to try shift his wares on his website his supplements are of a very high standard but that also comes with a very high price.

Oisín

Aye and I couldnt be arsed buying from the US to be honest (not aware if its retailed locally)

Oisinjm · 12-01-2013 2:52pm

ronanc15 wrote: »

Aye and I couldnt be arsed buying from the US to be honest (not aware if its retailed locally)

MyProtein and BulkPowders are actually based in the UK actually so it's not as far as the US. ROS is an Irish company so it's easily available from their own website as well as numerous supplement shops in Dublin.

Oisín

ronanc15 · 12-01-2013 3:03pm

Oisinjm wrote: »

MyProtein and BulkPowders are actually based in the UK actually so it's not as far as the US. ROS is an Irish company so it's easily available from their own website as well as numerous supplement shops in Dublin.

Oisín

I meant Poliquin's own brand supplement chief

Oisinjm · 12-01-2013 3:09pm

ronanc15 wrote: »

I meant Poliquin's own brand supplement chief

Oh sorry my bad

I know Lift Fitness PT who works out of St. Mary's RFC in Terenure is licensed to sell his stuff. Shifts a lot of the Poliquin supplements. Think over the northside the Irish Strength Institute might sell them?

Oisín

ronanc15 · 12-01-2013 3:19pm

Oisinjm wrote: »

Oh sorry my bad I know Lift Fitness PT who works out of St. Mary's RFC in Terenure is licensed to sell his stuff. Shifts a lot of the Poliquin supplements. Think over the northside the Irish Strength Institute might sell them?

Oisín

My country ass is down in the Limerick area

Im ordering protein off DS anyway so I'll try the ROS, €14.99 for 250g. Sounds decent

john_cappa · 12-01-2013 5:12pm

1 kilo should be around 40 euro so that is expensive. Smaller amounts always are though.

ronanc15 · 12-01-2013 5:25pm

john_cappa wrote: »

1 kilo should be around 40 euro so that is expensive. Smaller amounts always are though.

Still not too bad really - getting roughly 62 days out of it going by the recommended usage.

6g x 21 days loading
3g x 41 days maintenance

Just reading up about recommended dosage. Is there a point at which you should take a break and then begin from loading again? I know generally most articles say to allow 12 weeks for fullest of the benefits

drdeadlift · 13-01-2013 3:25pm

I think the lads at the Irish strength institute sell some of poliquins stuff

Binge101 · 13-01-2013 5:20pm

Why are you guys against a loading phase for creatine?

Everywhere I look a loading phase is recommended.
What is the advantage of a loading phase?

Oisinjm · 13-01-2013 5:41pm

Binge101 wrote: »

Why are you guys against a loading phase for creatine?

Everywhere I look a loading phase is recommended.
What is the advantage of a loading phase?

You're going to reach the same level of creatine in your body, just a day or two later if you don't do a load. Also a lot of people, me included get stomach discomfort if they take around 20g a day as recommended on a loading phase.

Oisín

Gummy Panda · 13-01-2013 5:43pm

Binge101 wrote: »

Why are you guys against a loading phase for creatine?

Everywhere I look a loading phase is recommended.
What is the advantage of a loading phase?

tbh it doesn't make much of a difference bar gastric issues. If you don't have gastric issues, load the creatine at 20 grams for 5 days. If you do have gastric issues you can try 10g loading for 10 days or just do 5g each day.

mufcboy1999 · 13-01-2013 6:34pm

Anyone jumping on this DAA aspartic acid craze? found in some natural T boosters, proven to increase test even though its obvious it would be only slightly.

RidleyRider · 14-01-2013 12:15am

The loading phase is a market gimmick! Just want you to spend more of your cash.

Charisteas · 14-01-2013 2:45am

Decided to try Creatine in capsule format for my next cycle, and whilst I also do a 5-day loading phase myself (and drink minimum 4 litres water a day), I'm not sure whether to swallow the capsules whole, or do I have to bite into them to release the powder?

RidleyRider · 14-01-2013 2:48am

Charisteas wrote: »

Decided to try Creatine in capsule format for my next cycle, and whilst I also do a 5-day loading phase myself (and drink minimum 4 litres water a day), I'm not sure whether to swallow the capsules whole, or do I have to bite into them to release the powder?

If you're going to bite them you might as well just take the powdered version. Like normal tablets they'll get broken down by the acids in your stomach.

Charisteas · 14-01-2013 3:10am

RidleyRider wrote: »

If you're going to bite them you might as well just take the powdered version. Like normal tablets they'll get broken down by the acids in your stomach.

Yeah good point.

There's people on adverts.ie selling Creatine powder at decent prices but I find that the powder only really goes well with fruit juice, and I've decided to drink only water for a few months.

RidleyRider · 14-01-2013 3:27am

Charisteas wrote: »

Yeah good point.

There's people on adverts.ie selling Creatine powder at decent prices but I find that the powder only really goes well with fruit juice, and I've decided to drink only water for a few months.

Just down it tbh, it's not the nicest but you'll have it down in a few seconds. You'll save more money with the powdered version anyway. Say you get one kilo from myprotein/bulkpowders- 5g/day= 100 servings for <25euro? Tabs are expensive.

JimmyCrackCorn · 14-01-2013 7:06am

Supplemtns:

Cup of strong coffee before GYM.
Whey Protein for after GYM or a Run
Casein before bed on an active day. (Bought to give a try only started yesterday)

deadlybuzzman · 14-01-2013 7:53am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Anyone jumping on this DAA aspartic acid craze? found in some natural T boosters, proven to increase test even though its obvious it would be only slightly.

Ive used it, hard to say if it worked or if it wad more to do with the fact after spending the money on it I made sure as hell I slept enough to get my moneys worth out of it plus the placebo effect

Gummy Panda · 14-01-2013 10:12am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Anyone jumping on this DAA aspartic acid craze? found in some natural T boosters, proven to increase test even though its obvious it would be only slightly.

it won't bring your test outside the normal range.

O.P.H · 14-01-2013 11:02am

Carnivore Mass protein supplement - any opinions?

Liam90 · 14-01-2013 1:20pm

I'm going to order some peanut butter from bulkpowders, what is their peanut butter like compared to myprotein's?

and when would i expect delivery?

Gummy Panda · 14-01-2013 1:47pm

Liam90 wrote: »

I'm going to order some peanut butter from bulkpowders, what is their peanut butter like compared to myprotein's?

and when would i expect delivery?

I never had myprotein peanut butter but BP was better then meridan for me. Not as grainy and the oil didn't separate as much.

mufcboy1999 · 15-01-2013 1:25am

Gummy Panda wrote: »

it won't bring your test outside the normal range.

True but it will help you produce the maximum amount your body's capable of naturally.

It could be placebo but I'm getting better workouts and have toned up slightly and generally feel a bit better about myself aswell as being a tad bit more irritable/aggresive ! I know it sounds a bit too much for a natural booster but I'm serious.

I'm due to finish this cycle Friday as that will be my 2 months thats stated to do. The last few days I am very paranoid though, I'm getting tingle like feelings in my chest ! A sign of an estrogen spike and the start of gyno.

I know when your T increases that naturally estrogen does too unless your taking something to stop it like steroid users do but for some reason I honestly think this stuff works. It's received great reviews but many including natural body builder lui macro (YouTube guru) have had similar feeling in regards to tingles in your chest when taking DAA.

Supposedly I Belive DAA is very borderline and leads down a slippery path mimicking effects of test being injected artificially into your body but without the gains and ball shrinkage but supposedly it does cause a spike in estrogen along with test.

Anyway I'm finished with these T boosters for good come Friday, DAA is too dodgy for me.

Oisinjm · 15-01-2013 1:51am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

True but it will help you produce the maximum amount your body's capable of naturally.

It could be placebo but I'm getting better workouts and have toned up slightly and generally feel a bit better about myself aswell as being a tad bit more irritable/aggresive ! I know it sounds a bit too much for a natural booster but I'm serious.

I'm due to finish this cycle Friday as that will be my 2 months thats stated to do. The last few days I am very paranoid though, I'm getting tingle like feelings in my chest ! A sign of an estrogen spike and the start of gyno.

I know when your T increases that naturally estrogen does too unless your taking something to stop it like steroid users do but for some reason I honestly think this stuff works. It's received great reviews but many including natural body builder lui macro (YouTube guru) have had similar feeling in regards to tingles in your chest when taking DAA.

Supposedly I Belive DAA is very borderline and leads down a slippery path mimicking effects of test being injected artificially into your body but without the gains and ball shrinkage but supposedly it does cause a spike in estrogen along with test.

Anyway I'm finished with these T boosters for good come Friday, DAA is too dodgy for me.

Your man Lui Marco is an absolute joker and stop watching his videos. DAA is an amino acid, it won't bring your test levels outside a normal range. This also means that you won't get bitch tits. It's not dodgy at all.

To put it simply DAA has a chance to raise your test by MAYBE 50%. That's a big maybe. Lets say you produce 50mg a week, that raises it to 75mg. On an actual cycle of test people can take anywhere from 100mg to 1000mg+ extra on top of what they naturally produce.

Oisín

RobAMerc · 15-01-2013 4:35pm

lads - I have always taken a bedtime shake when I used MP's Impact Whey protein.
As it turns out I now have a surplus of Hurricane XS which I always used post workout.
Anyway my question is - if I use XS last thing at night am I going to put on shed loads of fat because of the carbs or am I over reacting

Ta

The site states the Nutritional value as...

Per 70g:
Energy: 901.8kJ
Energy: 219.3cal
Protein (as-is): 29.6g
Carbohydrates: 20.3g
Fat: 2.5g

Also provides per 70g:
HMB: 1.5g
Creapure®: 5g

RidleyRider · 15-01-2013 4:59pm

RobAMerc wrote: »

lads - I have always taken a bedtime shake when I used MP's Impact Whey protein.
As it turns out I now have a surplus of Hurricane XS which I always used post workout.
Anyway my question is - if I use XS last thing at night am I going to put on shed loads of fat because of the carbs or am I over reacting

Ta

The site states the Nutritional value as...

Per 70g:
Energy: 901.8kJ
Energy: 219.3cal
Protein (as-is): 29.6g
Carbohydrates: 20.3g
Fat: 2.5g

Also provides per 70g:
HMB: 1.5g
Creapure®: 5g

I heard something about virgin olive oil slowing down the break down of protein throughout the night causing it to act more of a casein. Don't hold me too it but that's what I heard.

Gummy Panda · 15-01-2013 9:07pm

Marathon Bar is back and its a protein bar lol

Zombienosh · 15-01-2013 9:09pm

haha awesome, I do have a weakness for snickers.

They are so full of sugars though.

RidleyRider · 15-01-2013 9:12pm

Where can I buy one of them? :pac:

Gummy Panda · 15-01-2013 9:22pm

Zombienosh wrote: »

haha awesome, I do have a weakness for snickers.

They are so full of sugars though.

Yeah probably better to eat a snickers and drink some whey

Zombienosh · 15-01-2013 9:46pm

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Yeah probably better to eat a snickers and drink some whey

yeah, because they're only available in America they are lashed full of corn syrup.

Ingredient Declaration:

CARAMEL (CORN SYRUP, POLYDEXTROSE, SUGAR, PALM KERNEL OIL, SKIM MILK, MILKFAT, GLYCERIN, SALT, WHEY PROTEIN ISOLATE, NATURAL FLAVOR), PEANUTS, SOY PROTEIN CRISPS (SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE, TAPIOCA STARCH, SALT), SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE, PEANUT FLOUR, HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP, POLYDEXTROSE, CORN SYRUP, MILK PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, GLYCERIN, SUGAR, COCOA POWDER PROCESSED WITH ALKALI, SALT, NATURAL FLAVOR, ALMONDS. VITAMINS AND MINERALS: TRICALCIUM PHOSPHATE, MAGNESIUM OXIDE, SODIUM ASCORBATE, NIACINAMIDE, VITAMIN E ACETATE, BIOTIN, FERROUS FUMARATE, D-CALCIUM PANTOTHENATE, PYRIDOXINE HCL, VITAMIN A PALMITATE, ZINC OXIDE, THIAMINE MONONITRATE, RIBOFLAVIN, CYANOCOBALAMIN, FOLIC ACID.

PRODUCT IS KOSHER

ALLERGY INFORMATION: MAY CONTAIN ALMONDS.

http://www.marathonbars.com/?page=products

A_Sober_Paddy · 15-01-2013 11:51pm

So I've been back training for 9 days now and despite not having been in the gym for 5 months previous...

I haven't had the next morning inability, pain and stiffness, and I was wondering if this may be due to the creatine I've been taken?

Does creatine work that fast? Or am I not hitting the gym as hard as I think I am?

Owen_S · 16-01-2013 1:48am

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

So I've been back training for 9 days now and despite not having been in the gym for 5 months previous...

I haven't had the next morning inability, pain and stiffness, and I was wondering if this may be due to the creatine I've been taken?

Does creatine work that fast? Or am I not hitting the gym as hard as I think I am?

Relying on delayed onset muscle soreness as a gauge for an effective workout isn't a good idea. Regardless, creatine would have negligible effects on this. You should notice a strength increase from creatine within a week.

Hide behind the post · 16-01-2013 8:28pm

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

So I've been back training for 9 days now and despite not having been in the gym for 5 months previous...

I haven't had the next morning inability, pain and stiffness, and I was wondering if this may be due to the creatine I've been taken?

Does creatine work that fast? Or am I not hitting the gym as hard as I think I am?

Agree with the below ... Severity of DOMS while related to the stress/lactic build up etc. Does not indicate the quality of the workout ... Many variables.

I would suggest you review your routine - exercises, reps, sets - creatine will not directly affect DOMS...you should 'feel' like you worked a particular body part doesnt mean you have to be stiff as a board mind you

A_Sober_Paddy · 16-01-2013 10:54pm

Hide behind the post wrote: »

Agree with the below ... Severity of DOMS while related to the stress/lactic build up etc. Does not indicate the quality of the workout ... Many variables.

I would suggest you review your routine - exercises, reps, sets - creatine will not directly affect DOMS...you should 'feel' like you worked a particular body part doesnt mean you have to be stiff as a board mind you

Yeah I know, but I was just wondering as with me being out of the gym for so long...I was just expecting my body to crumble under my start back to the gym.

I'm using my first 4 weeks back to sort out my programme and adjust it to my needs.

POSSY · 17-01-2013 12:16am

Anyone ever try Dymatize protein products? If so, how does it compare with Optimum Nutrition's 100% Whey or Casein?

mufcboy1999 · 17-01-2013 12:39am

Oisinjm wrote: »

Your man Lui Marco is an absolute joker and stop watching his videos. DAA is an amino acid, it won't bring your test levels outside a normal range. This also means that you won't get bitch tits. It's not dodgy at all.

To put it simply DAA has a chance to raise your test by MAYBE 50%. That's a big maybe. Lets say you produce 50mg a week, that raises it to 75mg. On an actual cycle of test people can take anywhere from 100mg to 1000mg+ extra on top of what they naturally produce.

Oisín

I taught lui was ok to be honest , he seems to know his stuff IMO. I dont agree with everything he says but he appears to practise what he preeches as far as body building anyway, some of his views outside that are pretty laugable i do imithe.

I know DAA wouldn't be anything drastic in regards to increasing your test but surely if it has the possibility of increasing your natural production by 50 % it's worth taking ?

I know you won't see any massive gains but I'm quite new to the hormone boosting side of things , increasing your test is surely a good thing no matter how small ?

Oisinjm · 17-01-2013 2:48am

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

I taught lui was ok to be honest , he seems to know his stuff IMO. I dont agree with everything he says but he appears to practise what he preeches as far as body building anyway, some of his views outside that are pretty laugable i do imithe.

I know DAA wouldn't be anything drastic in regards to increasing your test but surely if it has the possibility of increasing your natural production by 50 % it's worth taking ?

I know you won't see any massive gains but I'm quite new to the hormone boosting side of things , increasing your test is surely a good thing no matter how small ?

Sorry didn't mean to come across as if I'm against DAA, its a good product. Just was making the point that it won't increase your test to levels where gyno is going to happen. By all means take DAA for a test boost.

Oisín

Mellor · 17-01-2013 2:53am

Oisinjm wrote: »

To put it simply DAA has a chance to raise your test by MAYBE 50%. That's a big maybe. Lets say you produce 50mg a week, that raises it to 75mg. On an actual cycle of test people can take anywhere from 100mg to 1000mg+ extra on top of what they naturally produce.

Oisín

On a cycle, your natural test can shuts down, so in that case some of the dosage serves to get you make to normal levels, the remainder being the increase that give gains.

So if DAA can give a 50% increase, it could be the same as a low test cycle. Say some body (mid 20s) with 80-100mg increasing to 120-150mg.
That said, I'd be dubious of the claims that it can give those increases.

Paddywiggum · 17-01-2013 10:11am

I have used DAA on a months cycle and found it excellent, the best natural test booster ive used, and ive tried a lot! To try it you can get D-POL (has other helpful vitamins included in pill) on Ebay for around 25euro delivered, thats a months cycle. I found a noticable difference after bout 10 days.

I was so impressed with its effects that i ordered 500g from a company called Shredd Brothers in the states, its the cheapest ive found online. You take 3g of powder per day. I also got 500g of BCAA, i think theyre worth checking out. I got both for 60 euro delivered which i thought was very reasonable. Quality of product is excellent. No customs issues.

Paddywiggum · 17-01-2013 10:14am

To let ye all know ive an Adverts ad for some rare L Arginine Nitrate NO3 powder, preworkout. Pm me here or on Ad for details, happy to answer any questions.

Gummy Panda · 17-01-2013 11:45am

My package should be delivered by atleast today. MHI says its in Germany, MP sent me a mail out of blue yesterday saying DPD has it and when I check dpd there is no status and its awaiting receipt of package since 14th

Oisinjm · 17-01-2013 2:01pm

Mellor wrote: »

On a cycle, your natural test can shuts down, so in that case some of the dosage serves to get you make to normal levels, the remainder being the increase that give gains.

So if DAA can give a 50% increase, it could be the same as a low test cycle. Say some body (mid 20s) with 80-100mg increasing to 120-150mg.
That said, I'd be dubious of the claims that it can give those increases.

If you post cycle and use an AI does your natural test production shut down? Not the most knowledgeable on cycles etc, don't plan on going on one haha

Some studies state that DAA can give you a 50% increase, but as you said it's doubtful if you'd get anywhere near figures as high as that.

Oisín

Gummy Panda · 17-01-2013 2:18pm

Oisinjm wrote: »

If you post cycle and use an AI does your natural test production shut down? Not the most knowledgeable on cycles etc, don't plan on going on one haha

Some studies state that DAA can give you a 50% increase, but as you said it's doubtful if you'd get anywhere near figures as high as that.

Oisín

This discussion might get us into trouble due to charter but your natural test shut downs during the cycle but can be restored by PCT afterwards.

There is a thread on Lyle Mcdonald's forum about DAA and one of the lads did blood work before taking it for 2 months and afterwards. He had a 10% increase in total test and 25% in free test.

rolexeagle1 · 17-01-2013 2:49pm

Paddywiggum wrote: »

I have used DAA on a months cycle and found it excellent, the best natural test booster ive used, and ive tried a lot! To try it you can get D-POL (has other helpful vitamins included in pill) on Ebay for around 25euro delivered, thats a months cycle. I found a noticable difference after bout 10 days.

I was so impressed with its effects that i ordered 500g from a company called Shredd Brothers in the states, its the cheapest ive found online. You take 3g of powder per day. I also got 500g of BCAA, i think theyre worth checking out. I got both for 60 euro delivered which i thought was very reasonable. Quality of product is excellent. No customs issues.

im curious as to your size/strength increase of this month period please

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