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Significant Snow Risk Friday 7th/Saturday 8th January discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,893 ✭✭✭thomasj


    It's the first time in a couple of days I have seen frost around here

    Don't get me wrong it's minimal, car windows iced over, frost in grass, some frost patches here or there, nowhere near as bad as the previous cold spells, it's there though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,171 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    ffarrell7 wrote: »
    Wet weather in the South, South east and south west but snow further north and East:D:D:D why does Dublin always seem to get the brunt of it???

    Coz its the superest, duperest place in the whole wide world of course!


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    overnight low at my station here in Arklow of -3.4c which is definitely cold
    currently -0.8c
    theres a mighty frost blanket on the ground.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Met Eireann at 7:55am - John Eagleton said precipitation will get into the very south tonight and it is likely to fall as snow with winds turning north easterly, most of tomorrow will be dry but snow over Munster during the afternoon and it will get into Leinster during the evening time. Ulster and Connacht will not be affected nor the north of Leinster. Lying snow for the south and east of the country.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    ffarrell7 wrote: »
    Wet weather in the South, South east and south west but snow further north and East:D:D:D why does Dublin always seem to get the brunt of it???
    I live in the East and I'm not in Dublin,but from what people told me who live in Dublin in the week and come here for the weekend or commute,we had a lot more snow than in Dublin in the last cold spell so that kind of discounts your brunt of it statement...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,171 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Just in terms of people saying its not cold, firstly I think it feels very cold and we had a good frost here this morning. More scientifically don't all the models on the 0z run (waiting on 6z run) show a big plunge of cold air (-4 to -8 uppers) coming from the north during today covering virtually all of the country by the time the front arrives?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    ffarrell7 wrote: »
    Wet weather in the South, South east and south west but snow further north and East:D:D:D why does Dublin always seem to get the brunt of it???

    Dublin does get the brunt of bad reporting.

    Where were your 7ft high drifts that they got in Cavan last winter, in the east - Wicklow is the natural snow capital for many reasons.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Just in terms of people saying its not cold, firstly I think it feels very cold and we had a good frost here this morning. More scientifically don't all the models on the 0z run (waiting on 6z run) show a big plunge of cold air (-4 to -8 uppers) coming from the north during today covering virtually all of the country by the time the front arrives?

    Met Eireann this morning gave snow right on the south coast for tonight. It doesn't look like the system will make it half way up the country going by them this morning. It will be a slow progression thing.
    Lying snow even at lower elevations too was another weather prediction they gave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭downwiththatsor


    Thanks Deep, is this a "paid for" hirlam or do you have a link for it?
    Cheers

    Just saw the source now :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭irish1967


    Heavy snow fall outside the Greater Dublin Area
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    Heavy Snow in Dublin
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,893 ✭✭✭thomasj


    I'll well believe Cavan got it bad given it's location

    Parts of Dublin got it bad depending where you were and likewise with Wicklow, I remember people in bray and greystones complaining of being in the isle of man shadow, while other areas reporting record snowfall levels.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    irish1967 wrote: »
    Met.ie have been forecasting "wintry showers" on N NW coasts for the last few days and they have actually turned out to be "showers in the winter". Not a sniff of snow except on the mountains. I have a feeling that tomorrows snow event will follow the same path. I honestly think that in a 'normal winter' Met.ie would have called this differently to such an extent that it hardly merits mentioning.
    Phrases that we will see on this thread tomorrow will probably include.
    "Heavy rain here after 5 minutes of sleet"
    "Woohoo Heavy Snow.. no wait... rain now"

    Wish I was wrong but I think we have a non event on our hands.

    (No sources.. just a feeling)

    It actually reminds me of snow we got in January 1991 I think it was, we were back to school after Christmas, Met Eireann had predicted a rain belt to move up from the south west but it could be preceded by sleet and snow before turning to rain, it snowed alright and not a sign of any rain or sleet.
    We got over a half foot of snow then and the school had to send us home early. Needless to say it was lovely snow and it lasted for a week or more.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That would have been February of 1991 min, in a spell starting around valentines day.

    The latest bbc news 24 graphics has no snow over Ireland,just rain over south munster which slides eastward whilst some rain slides westward from wales into Dublin.
    The latest nae output I presume with forecaster modification.


  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Vudgie


    irish1967 wrote: »
    Heavy snow fall outside the Greater Dublin Area
    Heavy Snow in Dublin

    Using Grafton Street as your example of 'Heavy Snow in Dublin' is selective, which is being kind. We had well over a foot of snow twice in December in Dublin 16.


  • Registered Users Posts: 413 ✭✭aurora 527


    Blanket of frost here also this morning.
    Current temp Waterford.. -0.7
    Dp.. -1.3

    Although i would love to see snow if i put my sensible hat on :rolleyes:
    i can't see it happening. Think we will only see Rain!!


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    thomasj wrote: »
    I'll well believe Cavan got it bad given it's location

    Parts of Dublin got it bad depending where you were and likewise with Wicklow, I remember people in bray and greystones complaining of being in the isle of man shadow, while other areas reporting record snowfall levels.
    Southeast wicklow got a hard hit as did inland south Dublin to higher elevations especially.
    Below is a picture of me clearing the snow here 2 days before Xmas.
    A further 3 inches fell after we cleared it.Apologies about the quality,it's off my phone.
    The location is Arklow 2 miles from the sea and the town actually got more.

    04c55.jpg

    Whats coming is a baby in comparison I think that may even fall as rain with me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,171 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Whats coming is a baby in comparison I think that may even fall as rain with me.

    BB, just interested as you clearly know your onions, am I right in saying that all the models on the 0z run (waiting on 6z run) show a big plunge of cold air (-4 to -8 uppers) coming from the north during today covering virtually all of the country by the time the front arrives - or am I totally misreading them? I appreciate that's a different question from whether it'll snow tomorrow but it would help explain to the very sceptical why there is a (small) chance it might......


  • Registered Users Posts: 605 ✭✭✭ffarrell7


    Min wrote: »
    Dublin does get the brunt of bad reporting.

    Where were your 7ft high drifts that they got in Cavan last winter, in the east - Wicklow is the natural snow capital for many reasons.


    West Dublin, South Dublin got massive amounts of snow as did Dublin airport. 150,000 tons being cleared in one night suggests what to you?? And the Dublin suburbs have had heavy snowfall for the past three winters. Maybe not on the coast but certainly a few kilometers away from it and in West and South Dublin. Not to mention the Dublin mountains that gets the highest snowfall in Ireland and more especially higher up in the Wicklow mountains - perfect geographic poisition for following reasons. 1. only about 15-20 kilometers from the sea hence lots of precipitation. 2. in the East do away from the milder south.south-west influence of gulf stream 3.high mountians by Irish standards - Lugnaquilla is 931 metres which is over 3,054 feet. So Kilkenny head these are the facts.... Kilkenny rarely gets snow end of story.:):):)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭BEASTERLY


    Vudgie wrote: »
    Using Grafton Street as your example of 'Heavy Snow in Dublin' is selective, which is being kind. We had well over a foot of snow twice in December in Dublin 16.

    The thing is that no matter how bad it gets in Dublin or any other urban area is that your always able to walk to a shop. For us country folk it's not that easy. Never mind the fact that in the city a lot of the roads are kept clear. While here the county council thinks it's ok to leave a foot of snow on the N25, wasters!


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    ffarrell7 wrote: »
    West Dublin, South Dublin got massive amounts of snow as did Dublin airport. 150,000 tons being cleared in one night suggests what to you?? And the Dublin suburbs have had heavy snowfall for the past three winters. Maybe not on the coast but certainly a few kilometers away from it and in West and South Dublin. Not to mention the Dublin mountains that gets the highest snowfall in Ireland and more especially higher up in the Wicklow mountains - perfect geographic poisition for following reasons. 1. only about 15-20 kilometers from the sea hence lots of precipitation. 2. in the East do away from the milder south.south-west influence of gulf stream 3.high mountians by Irish standards - Lugnaquilla is 931 metres which is over 3,054 feet. So Kilkenny head these are the facts.... Kilkenny rarely gets snow end of story.:):):)

    I think Min lives on a Mountain in Kilkenny, where he attends to his flock , so he is sick of the sight of the snow ,

    Anyway its not a mines bigger than yours competition , chill out


  • Registered Users Posts: 413 ✭✭aurora 527


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    BB, just interested as you clearly know your onions, am I right in saying that all the models on the 0z run (waiting on 6z run) show a big plunge of cold air (-4 to -8 uppers) coming from the north during today covering virtually all of the country by the time the front arrives - or am I totally misreading them? I appreciate that's a different question from whether it'll snow tomorrow but it would help explain to the very sceptical why there is a (small) chance it might......

    Correct , but the temps seem to be a little lower now

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    And one for Saturday

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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    I'm seeing an upgrade in this morning charts, looks like there might be a possibility for snow for everyone at some point over the next 3 days :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    ffarrell7 wrote: »
    West Dublin, South Dublin got massive amounts of snow as did Dublin airport. 150,000 tons being cleared in one night suggests what to you?? And the Dublin suburbs have had heavy snowfall for the past three winters. Maybe not on the coast but certainly a few kilometers away from it and in West and South Dublin. Not to mention the Dublin mountains that gets the highest snowfall in Ireland and more especially higher up in the Wicklow mountains - perfect geographic poisition for following reasons. 1. only about 15-20 kilometers from the sea hence lots of precipitation. 2. in the East do away from the milder south.south-west influence of gulf stream 3.high mountians by Irish standards - Lugnaquilla is 931 metres which is over 3,054 feet. So Kilkenny head these are the facts.... Kilkenny rarely gets snow end of story.:):):)
    I think Min lives on a Mountain in Kilkenny, where he attends to his flock , so he is sick of the sight of the snow ,

    Anyway its not a mines bigger than yours competition , chill out
    To PistolPete, i know....but..it's herd not flock..thank God, lol

    It is a hilly area which rises to near 1,100ft. I don't mind the snow tomorrow as milder weather is coming.
    We had lots of snow the last three winters, we have snow every winter, we have snow when it rains in Kilkenny city.
    The highest point in Kilkenny is 1,690ft. It is only the centre of the county which is low and with the hills all around it, this leads to Kilkenny being like a saucer which allows the temperatures to be lower in winter and higher in summer. You can get a near 50C change in temperature in Kilkenny in a year - lows under -16C and highs over 33C, the record being 33.3C. I am not sure you understand the weather here. I know Dublin got a lot of snow but it is not like other areas don't get snow too.
    Snow is common here in winter, even in the mildest winters we get snow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,893 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Southeast wicklow got a hard hit as did inland south Dublin to higher elevations especially.
    Below is a picture of me clearing the snow here 2 days before Xmas.
    A further 3 inches fell after we cleared it.Apologies about the quality,it's off my phone.
    The location is Arklow 2 miles from the sea and the town actually got more.

    04c55.jpg

    Whats coming is a baby in comparison I think that may even fall as rain with me.

    Good sypnosis, and I remember hearing peoples horror travel stories around arklow well but my point is mother nature doesn't recognise county boundaries!

    All I am saying is parts of Wicklow were worse than other parts, likewise with Dublin, likewise with Meath and other counties!

    I remember not so long ago people on here saying Dublin never gets snow (that statement can't be used again in a hurry!) and parts of west Dublin after suffering substantial snowfall. likewise in north Dublin a month ago snow covering my boots, when I got to d15 it was up to my knees! (okay I'm only 5'5)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,715 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    ffarrell7 wrote: »
    West Dublin, South Dublin got massive amounts of snow as did Dublin airport. 150,000 tons being cleared in one night suggests what to you?? And the Dublin suburbs have had heavy snowfall for the past three winters. Maybe not on the coast but certainly a few kilometers away from it and in West and South Dublin. Not to mention the Dublin mountains that gets the highest snowfall in Ireland and more especially higher up in the Wicklow mountains - perfect geographic poisition for following reasons. 1. only about 15-20 kilometers from the sea hence lots of precipitation. 2. in the East do away from the milder south.south-west influence of gulf stream 3.high mountians by Irish standards - Lugnaquilla is 931 metres which is over 3,054 feet. So Kilkenny head these are the facts.... Kilkenny rarely gets snow end of story.:):):)

    But Lugnaquilla is in Wicklow not Dublin right :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    http://www.met.ie/forecasts/warnings.asp
    Issued at 06 January 2011 - 11:23
    Severe Weather Alert
    Issued at 11:13 Thursday, 6 Jan 2011

    Outbreaks of sleet and snow expected to spread from the south overnight and tomorrow, affecting much of Leinster and Munster. And giving some accumulations of 3-5cm, with higher values on hills.


    Valid 0300 on Friday 7th to 0300 on Saturday 8th


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,512 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    I think its safe to say that places like Rathdrum, Laragh, Roundwood etc in the Wicklow mountains are going to get buried by this. Wouldn't be surprised to see totals in excess of 30cm there. In Dublin CC im expecting sleet , wet snow and rain with zero accumulations. Maybe some wet slushy accumulations a little further inland in the county.

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Min wrote: »

    That seems like a very optimistic forecast, although i suppose there will be them accumlations in some locations but probably very few.

    Surprised by the warming.

    I suppose they will throw in the usual caveats about Dublin to save themselves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭patneve2


    Dublin =0 cm
    over 200-250 metres=5-8 cm
    other inland areas=0-4cm

    Even if precipitation is heavy over higher ground, snow will still be quite wet and not amount to anything over 7-8cm. Over 10cm in the higher up wicklow towns and i'd be very surprised. However even if forecast temperatures dropped by 1-1.5 degrees a lot more snow could fall and even at lower levels.

    Here in Dalkey I'm expecting light to moderate rain with a moderate east/north/east wind and a temp of 3.4 ;)


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭darkman2


    That seems like a very optimistic forecast, although i suppose there will be them accumlations in some locations but probably very few.

    Surprised by the warming.

    I suppose they will throw in the usual caveats about Dublin to save themselves.



    It's very uncertain atm as to how far North the precipitation will get. The ECM is very optimistic for some snow through Leinster including Dublin but the precipitation never gets further North then Meath - better chance of snow here in those circumstances. For example it has Leinster and Munster below freezing all day. The UKMO is better then yesterday temperature wise and it has the precipitation a little further North. There is a good chance Ulster and Connaught will now stay completely dry. Ultimately this will come down to an observation forcast as it happens tomorrow.

    Im still optimistic about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    If the initial pulse of precip is intense enough tomorrow morning then areas could see a covering as temperatures could be held in place.

    For an INMBY perspective (apologies)

    Dublin CC

    9am - DP= -3c

    12pm - DP= -2c L SNOW

    3pm - DP= 0c - SLEET

    6pm - DP= +1c RAIN

    9pm - DP= +2c RAIN

    12am - DP= +1c RAIN

    3am - DP= 0c SLEET

    6am - DP= -3c L SNOW


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,893 ✭✭✭thomasj


    That seems like a very optimistic forecast, although i suppose there will be them accumlations in some locations but probably very few.

    Surprised by the warming.

    I suppose they will throw in the usual caveats about Dublin to save themselves.

    Ahhh but mother nature doesn't recognise border boundaries

    I remember a faithful evening 2 years ago where west Dublin got snow and the rest of Dublin got rain. Localised comes to mind any part of Dublin could get it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭thetonynator


    Min wrote: »
    To PistolPete, i know....but..it's herd not flock..thank God, lol

    It is a hilly area which rises to near 1,100ft. I don't mind the snow tomorrow as milder weather is coming.
    We had lots of snow the last three winters, we have snow every winter, we have snow when it rains in Kilkenny city.
    The highest point in Kilkenny is 1,690ft. It is only the centre of the county which is low and with the hills all around it, this leads to Kilkenny being like a saucer which allows the temperatures to be lower in winter and higher in summer. You can get a near 50C change in temperature in Kilkenny in a year - lows under -16C and highs over 33C, the record being 33.3C. I am not sure you understand the weather here. I know Dublin got a lot of snow but it is not like other areas don't get snow too.
    Snow is common here in winter, even in the mildest winters we get snow.



    Unfortunately the basin/ saucer stretches down past thomastown . .so i have to go to brandon hill if i wanted snow every winter. :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭lucy2010


    As a kid I remember disruptive snow in Bray in 82, 90 ish , 2003 & then 2008,2009 & 2010 x 2. Last 3 winters my car has been off the road due to snow & ice for over 2 weeks each time. Its always very localised as 5 min away may have nothing . Just before christmas there my MIL in monkstown had 8 inches in an hour yet nephew in Roundwood had nothing. Then we had 11 inches over 2 days, roundwood had nothing. always depends too if it comes from East or West - dublin mtns seem to suck up everything if from the west.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,347 ✭✭✭arctictree


    Looks like we will get snow out of this. Have to make alternative arrangements for tomorrow. This setup is always good for us at elevation.

    BTW, we didn't get much snow in the last spell. Seemed to have missed out on most of the streamers that got south Dublin and south Wicklow. Still got about 6 inches though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭lucy2010


    It was mad - we were ringing him saying get your stuff & get down , your nannys up to her knees in the stuff & he thought we were mental..... hope you do - never seen a nicer place in snow than Roundwood.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    The UK met office warning for Wales and parts of England says 2-5cm but upto 10cm on higher ground.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,494 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    snowing in donegal town now :mad:

    dew point 0.8 current temp (at 92m) 2c

    panic over stopped now phew!


  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Vudgie


    I have seen people ask before and apologies for asking again but can someone give me an idiot proof way of confirming ASL height.

    Just want to see if I am going to be eating canned food this weekend!!:D

    Is OSI the best place to try?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,494 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Vudgie wrote: »
    I have seen people ask before and apologies for asking again but can someone give me an idiot proof way of confirming ASL height.

    Just want to see if I am going to be eating canned food this weekend!!:D

    Is OSI the best place to try?

    google earth !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 951 ✭✭✭tomcollins97


    Are there any opinions of what south coastal Dublin may get - trying to decide whether to dart or drive tomorrow


  • Registered Users Posts: 324 ✭✭kopfan77


    Still hoping we might get some here in limerick tomorrow :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,268 ✭✭✭irishmotorist


    Are there any opinions of what south coastal Dublin may get - trying to decide whether to dart or drive tomorrow

    My totally uneducated opinion (at the moment), but based on what discussion has been going on here, is that I don't think Dublin will get enough to cause traffic problems. I think there may be snow early on, but rain will wipe that out later.

    I will be watching here and the ME forecast to finally decide, but at the moment I'm thinking that I'll drive tomorrow rather than going for bus/dart.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,171 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Vudgie wrote: »
    I have seen people ask before and apologies for asking again but can someone give me an idiot proof way of confirming ASL height.

    Just want to see if I am going to be eating canned food this weekend!!:D

    Is OSI the best place to try?

    Irish weather online have a gizmo in one of the drop down menus....


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    BBC graphics on their latest news 24 forecast has snow eventually turning to rain in cork city... from this but rain in waterford and rain everywhere else from Dublin southwestwards...
    They are also say its a snow to rain event in the uk where it starts off as snow on it's northern flank.
    The stuff they have mapped over leinster moves in off the irish sea and is all rain on their graphics...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭thetonynator


    google earth !

    Not the most accurate for height really, there are some sites for it cant remember which ones though!


    Meteoalarm has south of the country on orange:

    map.php?iso=euro&data=0&type=0&rnd=1294324414


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭egan2020


    Vudgie wrote: »
    I have seen people ask before and apologies for asking again but can someone give me an idiot proof way of confirming ASL height.

    Just want to see if I am going to be eating canned food this weekend!!:D

    Is OSI the best place to try?

    Try earthtools.org


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭Slashermcguirk


    Please do not look at bbc forecasts for Dublin. Throughout both cold spells they consistently predicted rain and never snow. Both cold spells delivered huge snowfalls in Dublin and no rain. BBC are good for UK forecasts but dont focus on Republic of Ireland. Dublin seems to be a lot colder and getting way more snow than London this year.

    I have noticed that temps seem to be consistently lower in Dublin


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,715 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    Not the most accurate for height really, there are some sites for it cant remember which ones though!


    Meteoalarm has south of the country on orange:

    Isn't meteoalram updated by each country's own weather service.
    So it just mirrors what Met Eireann are saying (I Think).


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