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The Last Airbender: Legend of Korra [** Spoilers **]

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  • #152
    BlitzKrieg
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    What a brilliant episode. I'm assuming that General Iroh is Zuko's son? Love that he's named after his great-uncle. The only small thing I dislike is that it seems to be the same voice actor as Zuko?

    It is or possibly his grandson (considering tensin is aangs son and General Iroh looks younger) and it is the same voice actor.

    And I agree. I was actually watching an episode of avatar before this episode popped up so hearing zuko so close to the new character it felt very odd.

    Aside from that an awesome episode and really has me psyched for the season finale.


  • #153
    [Deleted User]
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    It actually felt sorta lazy to bring back the same actor instead of hiring a new one. When they panned the camera up, I was really expecting to see the scar.

    I'm assuming the fact that they have him voicing General Iroh means that they won't be bringing Zuko back, as it would be too odd to have him voicing both characters, with both sounding so similar.

    Actually, it's a wonderful thought that Iroh tried to capture a city, Ba-Sing-Se and yet his great-nephew (is that right..?), this General Iroh, is actually trying to save a city, Republic City. Was another nice little nod to Legend of Aang.

    For anyone interested - the executive producers of Legend of Korra will be doing a Q&A session on Facebook.


  • #154
    PrincessLola
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    (warning: I am about to discuss fictional characters as if they were real people :pac:)

    I hate Mako, he's a little sh&t.

    Your girlfriend found out you kissed another girl and you don't even apologise?

    And putting your arm around Korra in front of Asami. Seriously, f*ck you.


  • #155
    PrincessLola
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    I know the voice is jarring but lets just take a moment to appreciate this guy:


    tumblr_m5qgstwm7x1qa96zko1_500.jpg


    He looks bad a$s.

    He is my new hero.


  • #156
    BlitzKrieg
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    PrincessLola wrote: »
    (warning: I am about to discuss fictional characters as if they were real people :pac:)

    I hate Mako, he's a little sh&t.

    Your girlfriend found out you kissed another girl and you don't even apologise?

    And putting your arm around Korra in front of Asami. Seriously, f*ck you.

    But you know Asami is going to hook up with general Iroh so she'll be happier in the end :D


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  • #157
    PrincessLola
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    BlitzKrieg wrote: »
    But you know Asami is going to hook up with general Iroh so she'll be happier in the end :D

    this has to happen.

    :eek::D


  • #158
    Mr E
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    I watch a shitload of TV every week, and this is, by some margin, the best show on TV at the moment.


  • #159
    Fluorescence
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    Absolutely brilliant episode, though I found it quite jolting to hear the same voice actor as Zuko for Iroh. I reckon he's a grandson rather than a son of Zuko. And I was heartbroken at that scene near the end with Lin and the Air benders. Poor Lin. :(


  • #160
    ixoy
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    Excellent (again). The action sequences are amazing - very well directed and intelligent. Of course it's backed up by some great characterisation too.

    I'm still holding out on my theory that Aman is Zuko's son and, now, Iroh's dad. We have the generations all sorted other than that (Iroh Jr seems a little young to be Zuko's son and Zuko was I believe about Soka's age).


  • #161
    tampler
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    Deleted User wrote: »

    I'm assuming the fact that they have him voicing General Iroh means that they won't be bringing Zuko back, as it would be too odd to have him voicing both characters, with both sounding so similar.

    They got a different VA to voice an older Katara. I see no reason why they cant do the same for Zuko if he should make an appearance.

    Awesome episode. Will be sad when this season is over.

    Also, I really really hope they release a soundtrack. A lot of the music really is epic.


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  • #162
    Fluorescence
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    Apparently Toph was voiced by a different actress in the flashback sequence last week! I would have sworn it was the same girl :P


  • #163
    VinLieger
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    Got quite emotional during some of those scenes especially for Lins sacrifice bit.
    Have to say the animation and characters are key parts but the music adds so much more emotion to everything, the guys who did the original, The Track Team, are still doing it and they really are masters. I still get chills watching the Zuko v Azula agni kai in the season 3 finale and its mainly due to the music and how perfect set it is.

    Looking forward to the season finale and seeing richard dowers head explode due to the ratings its gonna pull in


  • #164
    TheIrishGrover
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    General............

    Iroh.......


  • #165
    TheIrishGrover
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    Had ta just put that in a separate post. Another stellar episode. It's not often a show, animated or live-action, can have great moments of humour (Tenzin's son's slo-mo; the first time you see the "parked" car), moments of shock (Lin's sacrifice) and moments that give you goosebumps (General Iroh) all in 22 minutes. Some shows that are amongst the highest rated on TV can't do that in seven YEARS! It's shocking that sometimes you can almost miss something because you're agog at the fluid animation of the bending: From the large movements to the tiny, unnecessary-apart-from-the-fact-it's-brilliant like the small twist of Lin's foot as she grounds herself on the airships.

    "Pfffffft, cartoons, yeah, for kids and nerds."


  • #166
    PrincessLola
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    TheIrishGrover wrote: »

    "Pfffffft, cartoons, yeah, for kids and nerds."

    LOL. people who say that have obviously never seen this show.

    I wish The Legend of Korra was on tv when I was a kid. The fact that a girl can be an action hero, and a muscle-ly action hero at that. Seriously, I love that she is allowed to be 'buff' and have muscles and that its not veiwed as unfeminine or anything.


  • #167
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    I would never really associate Korra with being "buff" per se.

    In the Tron: Uprising thread, I said how it seemed like cartoons were finally moving back to those of the 90s/early 00s, where they weren't afraid to have pretty dark themes and issues and didn't constantly treat children like brainless idiots. Lin's sacrifice was handled so beautifully and you genuinely felt for her when she lost her powers.


  • #168
    Mark Hamill
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    PrincessLola wrote: »
    I know the voice is jarring but lets just take a moment to appreciate this guy:


    tumblr_m5qgstwm7x1qa96zko1_500.jpg


    He looks bad a$s.

    He is my new hero.

    He kind of reminds me of Sterling Archer...
    sterling-archer1.jpg


  • #169
    Fluorescence
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    Somewhat, but Iroh (best character in Last Airbender! :D) has a harsher face.


  • #170
    Mr.Saturn
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    Considering Danny Bosco is voicing Iroh, I can see someone making a veiled, 4th-wall jerking reference to the fact he does Zuko's voice too. Similar to the Ember Island Players bit with Jet.

    "Did Jet just die?"

    "You know, it was really unclear"


  • #171
    BlitzKrieg
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    I love the ember island players episode. I'd love something similar near the end of Korra.


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  • #172
    Richard Dower
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    Legend-of-Korra.jpg


  • #173
    TheIrishGrover
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    Richard Dower wrote: »
    Legend-of-Korra.jpg

    B.....but that's not a viewership stat......

    Nice poster though.


  • #174
    Fluorescence
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    No Tenzin on the poster? I am disappoint :(


  • #175
    VinLieger
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    Wooo finale day!!! cannot wait but at the same time a bit sad cus it was so short a season


  • #176
    Fluorescence
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    *MEGA SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE* Best episode ever! :eek: :eek: I'm... I don't even.


    OMG EVERYONE GO WATCH IT!!!


  • #177
    BlitzKrieg
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    eVeNtInE wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    that's how



    thoughts:
    When the series first started I wondered if bloodbending would come back in some way as it was such a fantastic concept that only had 1 episode in the first series. I didnt expect it to actually dominate the later half of the series. Overall a tight strong ending to the first season, even if a bit understated. Clearly not going for the multiple season arcs that the first series excelled in. Perhaps there was a small fear that the awful movie had done too much damage and the series didnt have the legs beyond one season and wanted to play it somewhat safe. Regardless it was enjoyable with the only issues popping up for me was how with the sudden introduction of airplanes Iroh still knew about runways. If you'd never even seen planes before you wouldnt know anything on how they operate. Though he had some awful luck on the planes himself, everytime he got into one it got shot down. Oh and its confirmed he is the grandson of zuko


  • #178
    Mr E
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    Wow.


  • #179
    TheIrishGrover
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    fkjhgkjhdhf....... I mean ldfkjldjflfhhfi....... ammmmm...... lfajdkshifhfh!!!!!

    OK..........


    Freakin' WOW!!!!!!!!

    That was just plain FANTASTIC!!!

    I remember catching TLA when the season 2 had ended and Nick were cycling through 1 and 2 before three started and being hooked. I hoped but never thought that a follow on could be as good. But I shouldn't have worried. It's easily on a par with TLA. I won't say it's better as they are different animals.

    Amon's story, the boat.............. Aang! 28 mins. Freakin' arms are covered in goosebumps :) Even the tiny niggle I had with the episode 10 was gone: I thought, at the time, that Iroh's voice was too high, was too Zukko, was gone in this episode. He just looked a bit too old initially for that voice but after a couple of seconds in this episode it suited him perfectly (Nice link to him with the arm scar)

    Will be VERY interesting to see what happens now. I thought it odd that Amon's lieutenant got such an intro and such a scene in the episode. Something tells me it won't be the last we see of him.


  • #180
    VinLieger
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    Wow.... just..... wow

    I feel sorry for anyone who dismisses this show as being just for kids as the writing is simply amazing

    Seriously people tell your friends, this is the best show on television right now and everyone deserves to know.
    Right now i dont have the words to describe my feelings about this season, ill be back on in a few hours and will have a full recap but to everyone reading this WATCH THIS SHOW!!!!


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  • #181
    BlitzKrieg
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    just want to put these here:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79005406&postcount=91
    but does this Spoiler: possibly put tarlock on as a possible Amun suspect since he could in theory use bloodbending to block bending?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79128941&postcount=120
    2 things

    1. it cut away when Amon removed tarlock's bending

    2. Why did he take Tarlock captive?

    I could accept it for dramatic reasons, it's just rewatching the scene something seems a bit off about Amon's actions involving Tarlock (could there be a twist here?)


    I was so close to getting it right.


  • #182
    Fluorescence
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    I'm just in shock about how wonderful the finale was. What will they even have to do in Season 2? :pac: Rebuild Republic City, I guess. Let Korra get glowy against some bad guys. They'll probably search to discover what happened to Amon, though they never will. And Osami and Bolin will get together? :P


  • #183
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    Holy. ****.

    Was that the first ever possible death? That was incredible, how Tarlock and Amon together, reaches over, grabs the electric glove and .. woah.


  • #184
    PrincessLola
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    tumblr_m639zouZQG1rvqyozo2_500.png

    tumblr_m634bybyvL1qjgtca.gif

    I have so many feelings right now, oh Amon :(

    This episode made me feel so much for them, he was such a good brother.
    Why did he have to die? Ozai was worse than him and he didn't die.


    Oh, PS: I still hate Mako, that little bitch didn't even break up with Asami before he kissed Korra, I hope she gets with General Iroh and they get married and live happily and Mako can go be a whiney douchebag elsewhere. He doesn't deserve you Asami baby!


  • #185
    Fluorescence
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    Amon was terribly misguided though. I'll be interested to see how his storyline is resolved in Book 2; it's not like Team Avatar know he's dead yet.


  • #186
    PrincessLola
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    Fluorescence wrote: »
    Amon was terribly misguided though. I'll be interested to see how his storyline is resolved in Book 2; it's not like Team Avatar know he's dead yet.

    Still, Ozai instigated genocide, thats worse than anything Amon did (not saying Amon was right or a good guy but he was more three dimensional than Ozai, who was more of a 'generic badguy')

    Tarrlok turned out to be a brave man though, I believe the whole murder-suicide thing was a self-sacrafice, he could have just run away and started life over in somewhere remote, but Tarrlok knew what his brother had become and how messed up he was, so he chose to break the cycle and kill them both. :(


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  • #187
    PrincessLola
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    Too soon?

    tumblr_m64vwuIkEf1roer81o1_1280.jpg

    You guys need to check out the Korra tags on tumblr, really good stuff on there, the creators of the show, Bryan Konietzko and Michael Dante DiMartino have tumblrs too! :D


  • #188
    Fluorescence
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    Did Amon get some kind of facelift? He's clearly brown-skinned as a young Water Tribe boy, but he's really pale in the present day. Next to Tarlok, he doesn't look like a water-bender...


  • #189
    PrincessLola
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    Fluorescence wrote: »
    Did Amon get some kind of facelift? He's clearly brown-skinned as a young Water Tribe boy, but he's really pale in the present day. Next to Tarlok, he doesn't look like a water-bender...

    I didn't wanna bring it up here but, that really bothered me.

    Coz he is not 'tanned' he's naturally dark skinned, big difference.
    No one who is born with naturally dark skin goes THAT pale, even if they have been wearing a mask for years. Thats not how skin works.

    Edit: Water Tribe people are not "white people with a tan", they're based on Inuits. There are no white people in this world, its based on Inuit and Asian culture.


  • #190
    [Deleted User]
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    Is it possible that he had a face lift like his father did?


  • #191
    Fluorescence
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    His hands and neck were also pale though? It shouldn't bother me, but I did find it annoying how he basically changed skin types :/


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  • #192
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    Not too sure. I'm guessing it could be explained at some point, as we still don't know what happened between when Tarlock last saw him and when he became Amon. I'm assuming it was known that he had to take off his mask eventually, so if he did and it was seen that he was tanned, then they'd realize he could be a water bender.

    Wonder what happened to the main Equalist, that Amon threw into the boards.


  • #193
    ixoy
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    Excellent finale and indeed excellent season. I was just saying to the bf that they packed more characterisation into 12 20-minute episodes than most shows do in 22 40-minute ones. Shows the quality of the writing.

    Amon was a very good villain - he was horribly misguided but he actually had good intentions. That's how you do a villain well and not some mad lunatic. Many shows could learn from this.
    And killing him - brave for a kid's show!

    My only two niggles:
    - Osami got messed around. Korra and Mako should apologise to her.

    - It was a little too easy / quick for Korra to get her powers back. Now the method was perfectly reasonable and made sense but I would have liked to have seen the consequences a bit more. I think a wrap-up episode with Korra seeking out her power, and communication with Aang, would have been a little bit better.


  • #194
    PrincessLola
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    I've seen people on various internet sites complain about the Amon thing, I think the reason it does bother them so much is the racist undertones, given the whitewashing that happen in the godawful Last Airbender movie (where they cast all the main heros as white people) There are non-white fans of this show who are sensitive to this kind of thing, i.e. showing a character as brown skinned as a child and white skinned as an adult, which they have every right to be pissed off about tbh, consider the implications.


    Deleted User wrote: »

    Wonder what happened to the main Equalist, that Amon threw into the boards.

    OMG I heard someone on tumblr say it felt like a break-up speech when he was all like "you lied to me Amon". He was totes in love with him. LOL :D


  • #195
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    I'd say there was no intentional racist allusions though. Yes, it was a diabolical choice to have Aang, Sokka and Katara as all white.

    Speaking of which, have people heard of Rifftrax? They're the same people that did the Mystery Science Theatre. They couldn't get the rights to modern movies like they could to old B-movies, so they're basically audio-tracks in sync with the movie that comment and rip the piss out of them. Was watching their one on the Last Airbender and it's brilliant.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39zOCnMb2DA


  • #196
    PrincessLola
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    I Love Rifftrax :D

    Yes, I doubt the creators had racist intentions.
    I'm just pointing out the unfortunate implications when you show someone as dark skinned as a child and then light skinned as an adult, if people want to complain than they are fully within their right, but I'm prob not gonna say anything else about this because there is nothing really more to say. They shouldn't have done it, lets leave it at that.

    It was likely a colouring error (I hope) and not intentional.

    About what someone was saying earlier, I do agree that the show has some pacing issues (prob because they squeezed it all in to only 12 episodes). And it did feel like Korra got it all handed to her in the end.

    Also, remember at the very end when she rejects Mako's love because she has lost her bending and doesn't feel very worthy of his love?
    Thats a pretty big issue to explore. It seems Korra's entire self-esteem is based on her bending ability, without it she feels unworthy as a person and unworthy of love.

    I would have loved it if they didn't give her her bending back so quickly and instead gave Korra a chance to grow and learn her self-worth as a person. Give her a few episodes of season 2 learning to cope without it and learning to love herself regardless, it would have been great character development. But NO, they had to give her her bending back and instantly make everything better and she runs off into Mako's arms.


  • #197
    Mr.Saturn
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    I was surprised she gained her restorative powers so quickly, whilst also regaining her bending, but I know the writers must've wanted to get it out of the way as they've gotten something massive planned for Book 2 and don't want to shed an episode of a relatively short season getting to it.

    The Aang-Tenzin bait and switch was genius. My only real kerfuffle with the Book 1 finale is I don't have requisite imagination to envision where they go from here.


  • #198
    VinLieger
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    It may not have been intentionallt racist but there is no question in my mind that whitewashing in the movie and television industries is racist and it worries me when people just pass it off as accidental.
    The people behind the movie made a conscious decision to have white actors playing characters who are unquestionably of inuit origin.
    Heres an incredibly worrying example of peoples attitudes and why whitewashing is very deffinitely a choice made as regards who the makers think will be watching the movie

    http://jezebel.com/5896408/racist-hunger-games-fans-dont-care-how-much-money-the-movie-made


  • #199
    PrincessLola
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    VinLieger wrote: »
    It may not have been intentionallt racist but there is no question in my mind that whitewashing in the movie and television industries is racist and it worries me when people just pass it off as accidental.
    The people behind the movie made a conscious decision to have white actors playing characters who are unquestionably of inuit origin.
    Heres an incredibly worrying example of peoples attitudes and why whitewashing is very deffinitely a choice made as regards who the makers think will be watching the movie

    http://jezebel.com/5896408/racist-hunger-games-fans-dont-care-how-much-money-the-movie-made

    You are absolutly correct about the movie of course.
    I meant that I don't think the Amon whitewashing was intentional, at least I hope to God it wasn't, the movie was intentional for sure

    I think when people say things like 'but skin colour doesn't matter' they are missing the point. It shouldn't matter, but it does matter. The fact is, they took a story based in Asian culture and mythology and cast all the heros as white and all the backround characters as non-white speaks volumes.


  • #200
    elekid
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    I was also a little disappointed in how quickly Korra got her powers back, it felt a bit rushed and it would have been more interesting to see her deal with the consequences for a while longer. Also interesting that she kept her air-bending, rather than her default water-bending - a gift from Aang perhaps?

    I'd need to watch it again but if you look at before and after pictures of Yakone, his skin tone seems darker after his surgery to fit in with the water tribe. Maybe it's implied that Amon did the same in reverse? I'd be surprised by intentional racism on this show (the movie doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned)

    Penny-Arcade did a Korra comic!


  • #201
    VinLieger
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    elekid wrote: »
    I was also a little disappointed in how quickly Korra got her powers back, it felt a bit rushed and it would have been more interesting to see her deal with the consequences for a while longer. Also interesting that she kept her air-bending, rather than her default water-bending - a gift from Aang perhaps?

    She kept her water bending because she hadnt "unlocked" it yet so amon couldnt block her from it


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