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Seanie Johnston Kildare Transfer?

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  • #552
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,225 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    bruschi wrote: »
    thing is, your point is completely valid, except it should be taken on by yourself. Cavan needed a clean out and Andrews was the one to do it. In the long run, whether or not he is there for when the success comes, it is the right thing to do. And that is what the whole thing has been about.

    Your personal vendetta and constant personal criticisms of him are not relevant to the thread or the work he is trying to do. You can have your opinion on why you think he is a poor manager, many will think that, but the way you are going about it here is so tedious.

    Cavan's best forward was made a scapegoat. His own countymen turned on him and I don't like that especially when it was done in favour of someone who is not half the man he is talent-wise.


  • #553
    bruschi
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Cavan's best forward was made a scapegoat. His own countymen turned on him and I don't like that especially when it was done in favour of someone who is not half the man he is talent-wise.

    I'm done. really wasnt wanted to get dragged into this clusterfcuk. there is more to playing for a team than having undoubted talent. and I dont think he was made any sort of scapegoat at all. good luck with the rest of the thread.


  • #554
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,225 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    bruschi wrote: »
    I'm done. really wasnt wanted to get dragged into this clusterfcuk. there is more to playing for a team than having undoubted talent. and I dont think he was made any sort of scapegoat at all. good luck with the rest of the thread.
    Again then we will agree to differ. To hell with it i'm away too.


  • #555
    Gophur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Gophur


    tayto lover wrote: »
    [...............

    Cavan's best forward was made a scapegoat. His own countymen turned on him and I don't like that especially when it was done in favour of someone who is not half the man he is talent-wise.

    100% BS, completely untrue. SJ was not scapegoated. First time things got tough, he ran for the hills.


  • #556
    Tom Joad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭Tom Joad


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Cavan's best forward was made a scapegoat. His own countymen turned on him and I don't like that especially when it was done in favour of someone who is not half the man he is talent-wise.


    Where do you get off??

    This thread should be closed as it has been completely derailed by your personal vendetta and fabrications to suit your arguments.


  • #557
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Again then we will agree to differ. To hell with it i'm away too.

    Finally some peace!!!

    GOODBYE don't let the door hit you slap on the arse when your leaving ;)


  • #558
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    Finally some peace!!!

    GOODBYE don't let the door hit you slap on the arse when your leaving ;)

    I've reported posts of his which are complete and utter waffle and I can't understand how the mods have allowed him to keep going.

    It's clear that his only agenda is to criticise Andrews and tell endless ubran myths from what the yearly reviews above describe as a successful tenure in Louth by Andrews.


  • #559
    tayto lover
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    I will drop back in from time to time to see how both Seanie and Val are getting on but I promise not to gloat. I expect one to be in Div 1 and the other in Div 4 though. But I won't gloat.
    See yis around.


  • #560
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    For anyone from Cavan who wants to discuss Val's performance as manager in an objective way, its being discussed over on the Cavan thread.

    I've also just started discussion about the weekend's round of League games.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056198368&page=16


  • #561
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    back to the actual subject of the transfer
    New twist in Johnston transfer saga

    THE PROTRACTED Seánie Johnston transfer saga looks set to lie in the hands of the executive committee of Cavan county board once again, following Tuesday night’s hearing on the application.

    The Central Competitions Control Committee quizzed the former Breffni captain about his permanent residency, and members of the panel were presented with a number of documents as evidence that he was living in Straffan.

    These included confirmation that Johnston held a utility account for the address he is giving as his home, as well as a tenancy contract with his landlord.

    As a result, the committee has opted to return the matter to Cavan board, as it is they, rather than Johnston’s club, Cavan Gaels, who questioned the 27-year-old’s permanent residence and whether a transfer to St Kevin’s and Kildare would be within GAA rules.

    Speaking after Cavan’s management committee decided not to sign the transfer form last month, county PRO, Declan Woods, said they had received no evidence to support the fact that Johnston was living in Straffan.

    “As far as we’re concerned, the Seán Johnston that we know works full time in Cavan and lives in Cavan,” Woods stated at the time.

    Having received evidence to the contrary, the committee is referring the matter back to the Cavan executive for comment.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0223/1224312243654.html

    I couldnt be arsed commenting on this as the next 30 posts will be about Andrews being a muppet or bad manager so at this stage whether seanie gets a transfer or not seems to be a matter of irrelevance to most posters so why bother.


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  • #562
    sgarvan
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    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    I couldnt be arsed commenting on this as the next 30 posts will be about Andrews being a muppet or bad manager so at this stage whether seanie gets a transfer or not seems to be a matter of irrelevance to most posters so why bother.

    Well said.


  • #563
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    back to the actual subject of the transfer


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0223/1224312243654.html

    I couldnt be arsed commenting on this as the next 30 posts will be about Andrews being a muppet or bad manager so at this stage whether seanie gets a transfer or not seems to be a matter of irrelevance to most posters so why bother.

    To be honest I'm surprised that more than a utility bill and rental contract with a landlord are not needed. The two of those would be relatively easy to get. I'd also be interested to see if the dates on these agreements are post November when Johnston is meant to have first met McGeeney.

    If the lad is living in Kildare, as per the Celt article, why was he recently still using the gym in Breffni Park?

    I think the Central Competitions Control Committee have taken the coward's way now and forced the Cavan County Board into a corner.

    My opinion is just give the lad his transfer. We've a new team to move on with. I wish Seanie all the best and I'd like to see Kildare being successful with him as a part of the team.

    It could be the opening of a whole can of worms for the GAA though.


  • #564
    munchkin_utd
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    Lemlin wrote: »
    To be honest I'm surprised that more than a utility bill and rental contract with a landlord are not needed. The two of those would be relatively easy to get.

    I think the Central Competitions Control Committee have taken the coward's way now and forced the Cavan County Board into a corner.

    My opinion is just give the lad his transfer. We've a new team to move on with. I wish Seanie all the best and I'd like to see Kildare being successful with him as a part of the team.

    It could be the opening of a whole can of worms for the GAA though.
    errrrrr

    I posted a (Non Andrews related) post regarding Frank Murphy and a Rules Committee coming up with a bunch of things tidying up the Official Guide including the promise of a proper definition of "Permanent Residence". All supposedly to be ready for congress in April.
    But amongst the lot of ye it got buried in the smoke of war regarding Andrews.
    This transfer seems like it will have to go under the almost anything goes current rules but the can of worms will be presumably closed with whatever the rules committee has come up with in the next couple of months

    Anyhow, I find the mechanics of the transfer interesting not least because the spirit of the rule (that seems to be the reason of its existance) is to allow lads who have had to move for family and job reasons to play football in their new home location but the Seanie case is a lad moving for football reasons and clearly leaving family and job in situ in Cavan.

    As it stands, he has all the documentation that would satisfy the legal requirements (as in of the irish government and department of finance rather than GAA) to allow him to open a bank account in Kildare so with that paperwork sorted he has at least fulfilled one commonly agreed definition of residence (more than the "Letters magically get to me if you post them to a certain apartment in Kildare" definition of residence).


  • #565
    Lemlin
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    munchkin_utd wrote: »
    errrrrr

    I posted a (Non Andrews related) post regarding Frank Murphy and a Rules Committee coming up with a bunch of things tidying up the Official Guide including the promise of a proper definition of "Permanent Residence". All supposedly to be ready for congress in April.
    But amongst the lot of ye it got buried in the smoke of war regarding Andrews.
    This transfer seems like it will have to go under the almost anything goes current rules but the can of worms will be presumably closed with whatever the rules committee has come up with in the next couple of months

    Anyhow, I find the mechanics of the transfer interesting not least because the spirit of the rule (that seems to be the reason of its existance) is to allow lads who have had to move for family and job reasons to play football in their new home location but the Seanie case is a lad moving for football reasons and clearly leaving family and job in situ in Cavan.

    As it stands, he has all the documentation that would satisfy the legal requirements (as in of the irish government and department of finance rather than GAA) to allow him to open a bank account in Kildare so with that paperwork sorted he has at least fulfilled one commonly agreed definition of residence (more than the "Letters magically get to me if you post them to a certain apartment in Kildare" definition of residence).

    To be honest Andrews plays a big part in the transfer so I don't see the problem with the posts about him, beside those which were totally incorrect.

    There were also posts about Cavan GAA because we had a number of posters stating that they couldn't see why Cavan were allowing their best player to leave. That had to be explained.

    Hopefully the rule will get closed because it is making a mockery of the whole idea of GAA being about the community you are from/live in. I've no problem with a player moving if a change of circumstance requires it but it's fairly clear that Johnston is moving because he has been told he's not required by Cavan GAA team this year. He's as much as admitted so himself.

    I'd be interested to see how he plays against the likes of Dublin and Meath, teams on a level above Cavan. I've seen him have unbelievable games for Cavan but it was generally against your Wexfords and Antrims. That said, a man can only play against the opposition that he's pitted against so it'll be interesting to see when he moves from being in one of the bottom 8 teams in the country to one of the top 8.


  • #566
    Hammer Archer
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    Hmmm. The plot thickens.
    Seanie Johnston looks to have given up on his move to Kildare after he trained with Cavan Gaels last night.

    The shock development came just hours after the want-away forward met the Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) to put his case for a switch to the Lilywhites to them. Cavan officials were also summoned to Croke Park to meet the CCCC.

    Johnston has claimed he is now living in Straffan, Co. Kildare and even invited GAA officials around to his house "for a cup of tea" to prove he is living there. But in spite of this, doubts have remained over his residency and it would appear his proposed transfer to the Leinster county is now dead in the water.

    The 27-year-old, who has trained with Kildare club St. Kevin's in recent weeks, is eager to revive his inter-county career after he was sensationally left out of Cavan manager Val Andrews' squad last October.
    So just recently he said that it would be impossible for him to train in Kildare and live in Cavan, but apparently it is possible to train in Cavan and live in Kildare. Sure.
    I'm not sure this saga has quite run its course yet.


  • #567
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    Seanie Johnston looks to have given up on his move to Kildare after he trained with Cavan Gaels last night.
    Jaysus.
    He'd be home fierce late to his home in Kildare if training in Cavan town of an evening wouldn't he?
    And up the next morning at crack of dawn for the 2 hours spin back to cavan with barely 8 hours sleep.

    Lucky as a teacher he has summer holidays so he can enjoy his new home in Kildare without all that pesky travelling to where his work (and family and friends and supposedly also girlfriend) is.
    :rolleyes:


  • #568
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    the examiner is now reporting on the CCCC hearing and adds an interview from county PRO Declan Woods .
    http://www.examiner.ie/breakingnews/sport/cccc-hear-johnston-case-540970.html
    Cavan GAA PRO Declan Woods has previously stated that Cavan would not attempt to deny Johnston his transfer should he be able to legitimately prove his residency in Straffan.

    However, Woods subsequently outlined that the Breffni County's role in this particular case is finished and that the CCCC are now the ultimate decision makers.

    "As far as we are concerned, we have no further role in the control of Sean Johnston's transfer," he told the Irish News.

    "Contrary to reports, we never even had to sign the transfer. The transfer form came to the Cavan County Board signed by the player, the Kildare County Board and the St Kevin's club.

    "A two-line note was attached which stated that, unless we had an objection, the transfer would go through automatically within 10 days.

    "When we saw the transfer application, it was the first time it had been presented to us that the player wasn't living in Cavan. As far as we all knew, he worked in Cavan and he lived in Cavan.

    "As a result of that, we felt it would be wrong of us not to question that. We didn't look for proof, but we don't need to look for proof because we are not the governing body of inter-county transfers.

    "We simply informed Croke Park that we had an issue in relation to his permanent residency in Kildare.

    "We would contend that our role is now over. Our feeling is that it is now a matter for Croke Park. If Croke Park is satisfied, then we have no difficulty whatsoever. Because, if Croke Park is satisfied, then we feel it is under rule and everything is in order.

    "We have no axe to grind. It's not up to us to counter-prove anything, if the governing body is satisfied then we have no issue."
    it now looks like Seanie's in Limbo.
    (EDIT: It seems) Neither county board nor CCCCCCCCCCCC... feel they have the authority to give the green light.


  • #569
    Tom Joad
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    Whatever the rights and wrongs of this it does look as if he is in limbo as he is caught up in a stand-off between the CCC and the county board with neither wanting to sanction the move. The timing off this i feel is working against Johnston as there are a lot of things like this that a blind eye may have been turned to in the past that are now under the microscope.

    Somebody from Croke Park needs to step in and sort this out.


  • #570
    Lemlin
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    Hammer Archer wrote: »
    Hmmm. The plot thickens.


    So just recently he said that it would be impossible for him to train in Kildare and live in Cavan, but apparently it is possible to train in Cavan and live in Kildare. Sure.
    I'm not sure this saga has quite run its course yet.

    Apparently this was just for convenience. He is still pushing for the transfer. The word I'm hearing is that the relevant boards are taking their time as there are no timelines set for making a decision.


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  • #571
    roy rodgers
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    I think st kevins only train once a week at the moment and if seanie johnson wants to be playing and training for kildare he is going have to be super fit to be even taught of been picked for the team.
    So dont knock the lad if he is training 5 nights a week with what ever team.
    Canvan Gaels are not stopping the tranfer anyways its the county board that is, so he can train all he likes with the gaels to bring himself up to the standard that kildare will be looking for.
    come june time at the start of the championship seanie will be starting his summer holidays so he will be down in kildare in his house 7 nights a week!
    kildare only have 5 more matches before the start of the championship so hopefully we will get to see him in a white jersey by the last game or two with early and lynch also back!!!!


  • #572
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    roy rodgers wrote: »
    I think st kevins only train once a week at the moment and if seanie johnson wants to be playing and training for kildare he is going have to be super fit to be even taught of been picked for the team.
    So dont knock the lad if he is training 5 nights a week with what ever team.
    But supposedly it would have been impossible for him to train in Kildare while living in Cavan. Why is it possible for him to train in Cavan while he's supposedly living in Kildare?
    roy rodgers wrote: »
    Canvan Gaels are not stopping the tranfer anyways its the county board that is, so he can train all he likes with the gaels to bring himself up to the standard that kildare will be looking for.
    come june time at the start of the championship seanie will be starting his summer holidays so he will be down in kildare in his house 7 nights a week!
    kildare only have 5 more matches before the start of the championship so hopefully we will get to see him in a white jersey by the last game or two with early and lynch also back!!!!
    If he wants to transfer, he should be in "his house" in Kildare 7 nights a week right now. It is blindingly obvious now that he does not live "permanently" in Straffan and as such, the transfer should not be sanctioned. I am extremely surprised that the line the majority of the media are taking is along the lines of "Ah sure he wants to play intercounty football. Fair play to him."
    Cannot understand a lot of Kildare fans in favour of this either. Basically, a Cavan player, who it's doubtful will remain in Kildare long term, will probably take the place of an up and coming genuine Kildare player. I know if he was considering moving to Meath I would not be supporting it.


  • #573
    StupidLikeAFox
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    Hammer Archer wrote: »
    If he wants to transfer, he should be in "his house" in Kildare 7 nights a week right now.
    Younger players can go to college in dublin or wherever, stay there 5 nights a week and still play for their home club :)

    And you are right, there are plenty of people in Kildare who dont want him. However Kildare have a serious scoring problem and if he is good for a couple of points in a game people might change their minds. However, there is not a chance he is going to walk on to the panel. Training for Kildare will be a different animal compared to cavan so he still has a bit of work to do


  • #574
    Syferus
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    ColHol wrote: »
    Younger players can go to college in dublin or wherever, stay there 5 nights a week and still play for their home club :)

    And you are right, there are plenty of people in Kildare who dont want him. However Kildare have a serious scoring problem and if he is good for a couple of points in a game people might change their minds. However, there is not a chance he is going to walk on to the panel. Training for Kildare will be a different animal compared to cavan so he still has a bit of work to do

    He'd walk straight onto the panel. McGeeney has clearly designated him a special project and has probably passed on the basics of what work he needs to be doing to be able to be fit enough to make the transition relatively easy. Depending on if and when the transfer goes through expect to see him lining out in challenge matches immediately and in competitive matches not long after. You don't gear up for this sort of high profile addition to have him languishing on the bench or outside the panel for months.


    More generally, I could care less if player wants to move to play for another county when they've been cut off in their own, if they've shown they're dedicated enough and bloody-minded enough to make the commitment and satisfy the requirements then I'm not about to sit in my arm-chair and throw moral rocks at a amateur player.


  • #575
    DARK-KNIGHT
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    Syferus wrote: »
    He'd walk straight onto the panel. McGeeney has clearly designated him a special project and has probably passed on the basics of what work he needs to be doing to be able to be fit enough to make the transition relatively easy. Depending on if and when the transfer goes through expect to see him lining out in challenge matches immediately and in competitive matches not long after. You don't gear up for this sort of high profile addition to have him languishing on the bench or outside the panel for months.


    More generally, I could care less if player wants to move to play for another county when they've been cut off in their own, if they've shown they're dedicated enough and bloody-minded enough to make the commitment and satisfy the requirements then I'm not about to sit in my arm-chair and throw moral rocks at a amateur player.
    you know what.. thats a good point, if johnston wants to play inter county and has been pushed out of their own county set up who are we to judge them by any means???

    he is an amateur player not a paid professional and should have the right to do as he wishes.

    all that stuff bound into gaa laws put intp place decades ago
    needs reviewing imo anyways


  • #576
    Hammer Archer
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    ColHol wrote: »
    Younger players can go to college in dublin or wherever, stay there 5 nights a week and still play for their home club :)
    That is not the same and you know it.
    And you are right, there are plenty of people in Kildare who dont want him. However Kildare have a serious scoring problem and if he is good for a couple of points in a game people might change their minds. However, there is not a chance he is going to walk on to the panel. Training for Kildare will be a different animal compared to cavan so he still has a bit of work to do
    It doesn't matter if Kildare have problems with their forwards. They should scour Kildare clubs for a solution. They should not resort to poaching players from other counties. We have serious problems in Meath with our midfielders yet we haven't gone searching for players from other counties and if we did I'd be vehemently opposed to it.
    The conduct of the Kildare management in this whole saga (between Johnston and Supple) is very dodgy to me.


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  • #577
    eyescreamcone
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    The GAA transfer rules are a joke anyway.
    At present if a guy is dropped or falls out with management his only option is to sit and watch.
    Disgraceful carry on in 2012.

    Maybe not make it as free and easy to transfer as other sports but certainly modernise the situation.

    It's already unfair on the small counties with volume of players available - this never seems to get mentioned.

    In American Football the draft system tries to ensure that every team has their day, or even a chance!
    County boundaries and archaic transfer rules ensure the opposite in the GAA.
    The same big boys turn up most years and the same little boys are never seen at the top table!!

    Tradition me hole!

    Let the lad play for whoever he wants and is good enough to get a game with!!!


  • #578
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    The GAA transfer rules are a joke anyway.
    At present if a guy is dropped or falls out with management his only option is to sit and watch.
    Disgraceful carry on in 2012.

    Maybe not make it as free and easy to transfer as other sports but certainly modernise the situation.

    It's already unfair on the small counties with volume of players available - this never seems to get mentioned.

    In American Football the draft system tries to ensure that every team has their day, or even a chance!
    County boundaries and archaic transfer rules ensure the opposite in the GAA.
    The same big boys turn up most years and the same little boys are never seen at the top table!!

    Tradition me hole!

    Let the lad play for whoever he wants and is good enough to get a game with!!!
    So on one hand you say the current system is unfair on smaller counties yet you then say a player should be able to play with whoever he wants and is good enough to get a game with. So that would mean the likes of Mattie Forde, Declan Browne, Dessie Dolan, Tommy Freeman etc. could all move to stronger counties where they would still get a game making so called smaller teams even weaker.

    And players are dropped all the time in every sport for falling out with a manager (look at Tevez) or for other reasons not exactly relating to performance. Graham Geraghty was dropped from the Meath panel a few years back in 2007 yet he didn't pout and look to change county and ended up back on the panel in a month or so. In this case, Johnston could have been the bigger man and knuckled down and made Andrews realise he made a mistake in dropping him. Instead he acts like a spoiled child, runs to the papers about his situation yet ignores them when they try to clarify his story and tries to switch to Kildare despite having no allegiance to them whatsoever and despite him still living and (originally) playing club football in Cavan.
    I also have to say that, while I'm encouraged to see some Kildare fans against the transfer, I'm disappointed that a lot seem like they'll welcome him with open arms on the off chance he'll help them get some silverware.


  • #579
    DARK-KNIGHT
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    Hammer mate no Kildare fans have a say who plays!!! We follow our county colours with pride so if Johnston is gonna be wearing the lily whites jersey I'll shout my heart out for him too!!

    Can I just say all the talk about poaching players pisses me off completely. I know it's wrong for counties to do it but prove it back what your saying up with solid evidence rather than calling Kildare poachers!!

    And before anyone mentions that over dramatic Dublin keeper looking for the spotlight don't even bother why would the lilies want him??? He is dublins third choice ffs our keeper is a fine shot stopper I wouldn't wanna change him!!!

    I think the Kildare forwards are fast and powerful moving the ball creating loads of chances they just need to pick shooting from better positions or give to someone better positioned they tend to shoot from mad spots altogether!!

    I think without Johnston we are still the championships dark horses the shooting is erratic but we play fantastic football IMO


  • #580
    AGC
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    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    Hammer mate no Kildare fans have a say who plays!!! We follow our county colours with pride so if Johnston is gonna be wearing the lily whites jersey I'll shout my heart out for him too!!

    Can I just say all the talk about poaching players pisses me off completely. I know it's wrong for counties to do it but prove it back what your saying up with solid evidence rather than calling Kildare poachers!!

    And before anyone mentions that over dramatic Dublin keeper looking for the spotlight don't even bother why would the lilies want him??? He is dublins third choice ffs our keeper is a fine shot stopper I wouldn't wanna change him!!!

    I think the Kildare forwards are fast and powerful moving the ball creating loads of chances they just need to pick shooting from better positions or give to someone better positioned they tend to shoot from mad spots altogether!!

    I think without Johnston we are still the championships dark horses the shooting is erratic but we play fantastic football IMO

    Your back spouting your BS again. It had been proved Kildare have been approaching players and as I have said its not just them.

    You asked for proof and you got it then you disappear for a while and come back with this rubbish of condoning what they are doing.

    Also if you think supple wouldn't be an addition it shows how little you know.


  • #581
    Alaska1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 467 ✭✭Alaska1


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    Hammer mate no Kildare fans have a say who plays!!! We follow our county colours with pride so if Johnston is gonna be wearing the lily whites jersey I'll shout my heart out for him too!!

    Can I just say all the talk about poaching players pisses me off completely. I know it's wrong for counties to do it but prove it back what your saying up with solid evidence rather than calling Kildare poachers!!

    And before anyone mentions that over dramatic Dublin keeper looking for the spotlight don't even bother why would the lilies want him??? He is dublins third choice ffs our keeper is a fine shot stopper I wouldn't wanna change him!!!

    I think the Kildare forwards are fast and powerful moving the ball creating loads of chances they just need to pick shooting from better positions or give to someone better positioned they tend to shoot from mad spots altogether!!

    I think without Johnston we are still the championships dark horses the shooting is erratic but we play fantastic football IMO

    McGeeney does.


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  • #582
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    AGC wrote: »
    Your back spouting your BS again. It had been proved Kildare have been approaching players and as I have said its not just them.

    You asked for proof and you got it then you disappear for a while and come back with this rubbish of condoning what they are doing.

    Also if you think supple wouldn't be an addition it shows how little you know.
    Supple is a drama queen soccer keeper, and who are you to question anyone here?

    Disappear??? Called having a life and kids son not swanning in and out!!

    Btw what proof did I get?? Easy for you to spout about poaching players show me actual evidence of Kildare poaching players or gtfo


  • #583
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    Alaska1 wrote: »
    McGeeney does.

    And you are??

    Involved in Kildare set up to know that for sure Alaska?? I highly doubt it


  • #584
    AGC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭AGC


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    AGC wrote: »
    Your back spouting your BS again. It had been proved Kildare have been approaching players and as I have said its not just them.

    You asked for proof and you got it then you disappear for a while and come back with this rubbish of condoning what they are doing.

    Also if you think supple wouldn't be an addition it shows how little you know.
    Supple is a drama queen soccer keeper, and who are you to question anyone here?

    Disappear??? Called having a life and kids son not swanning in and out!!

    Btw what proof did I get?? Easy for you to spout about poaching players show me actual evidence of Kildare poaching players or gtfo

    So you revert to telling me to f**I off, well done.

    You know supple do you? Far from a drama queen, one of the nicest and dedicated lads you could meet.

    The proof is the newspaper articles which have appeared but you just believe what you want to.

    I'll await your next personal insult


  • #585
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    AGC wrote: »
    So you revert to telling me to f**I off, well done.

    You know supple do you? Far from a drama queen, one of the nicest and dedicated lads you could meet.

    The proof is the newspaper articles which have appeared but you just believe what you want to.

    I'll await your next personal insult
    I did not tell you to feck off!!!

    All I know is in general soccer keepers are shot stoppers but can't get up and challenge for a high ball in front of goal they are Molly coddled and protected in soccer while not in our game..

    I'm not slating him but it's his word against geezer and you shouldn't believe all you read in papers, supple is third choice looks to me like he wanted some heroic media story about himself!!

    Wasn't he a soccer player returning home as things didn't work out for him!!

    Way I see it he isn't out shining Cluxton and co maybe a fabricated story would help his cause!!


  • #586
    AGC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭AGC


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    AGC wrote: »
    So you revert to telling me to f**I off, well done.

    You know supple do you? Far from a drama queen, one of the nicest and dedicated lads you could meet.

    The proof is the newspaper articles which have appeared but you just believe what you want to.

    I'll await your next personal insult
    I did not tell you to feck off!!!

    All I know is in general soccer keepers are shot stoppers but can't get up and challenge for a high ball in front of goal they are Molly coddled and protected in soccer while not in our game..

    I'm not slating him but it's his word against geezer and you shouldn't believe all you read in papers, supple is third choice looks to me like he wanted some heroic media story about himself!!

    Wasn't he a soccer player returning home as things didn't work out for him!!

    Way I see it he isn't out shining Cluxton and co maybe a fabricated story would help his cause!!

    You obviously haven't seen him play so don't comment on what he might be like

    He returned home because he wanted to.

    It is agreed by most he is in the top few keepers in the country.he will be Dublins keeper for years to come.he won't oust Cluxton but many believe him to be a good a keeper.

    I don't believe everything in the papers but as I have told you before this story is true.why would he want to spread stories when her has no interest in anything but Brigids and Dublin?

    I told you what Kildare were doing and this story was in the paper again after me telling you.

    Again I am not trying to have a direct attack on Kildare as i'm sure many counties do it but you wanted proof and you got it but can't face up to it


  • #587
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    AGC wrote: »
    You obviously haven't seen him play so don't comment on what he might be like

    He returned home because he wanted to.

    It is agreed by most he is in the top few keepers in the country.he will be Dublins keeper for years to come.he won't oust Cluxton but many believe him to be a good a keeper.

    I don't believe everything in the papers but as I have told you before this story is true.why would he want to spread stories when her has no interest in anything but Brigids and Dublin?

    I told you what Kildare were doing and this story was in the paper again after me telling you.

    Again I am not trying to have a direct attack on Kildare as i'm sure many counties do it but you wanted proof and you got it but can't face up to it
    What proof?? Dublins third choice keeper tells a paper Kildare approached me but I'm loyal to Dublin no matter what ie I'm a hero blah blah blah!!!

    That proves nothing sure I got offered the Kildare captaincy last year geezer said I could be captain if he could ride my wife!!!! There's another story for papers!!

    There is no concrete evidence against Kildare or geezer you can not say there is because the guy that lives 5 miles down the road says x
    Or Sheila says y happened!!!

    It's all talk until you prove with a document geezer approached him or calls recorded meetings recorded etc!!! If anything you are slandering mcgeeneys name or status as a manager


  • #588
    AGC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭AGC


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    AGC wrote: »
    You obviously haven't seen him play so don't comment on what he might be like

    He returned home because he wanted to.

    It is agreed by most he is in the top few keepers in the country.he will be Dublins keeper for years to come.he won't oust Cluxton but many believe him to be a good a keeper.

    I don't believe everything in the papers but as I have told you before this story is true.why would he want to spread stories when her has no interest in anything but Brigids and Dublin?

    I told you what Kildare were doing and this story was in the paper again after me telling you.

    Again I am not trying to have a direct attack on Kildare as i'm sure many counties do it but you wanted proof and you got it but can't face up to it
    What proof?? Dublins third choice keeper tells a paper Kildare approached me but I'm loyal to Dublin no matter what ie I'm a hero blah blah blah!!!

    That proves nothing sure I got offered the Kildare captaincy last year geezer said I could be captain if he could ride my wife!!!! There's another story for papers!!

    There is no concrete evidence against Kildare or geezer you can not say there is because the guy that lives 5 miles down the road says x
    Or Sheila says y happened!!!

    It's all talk until you prove with a document geezer approached him or calls recorded meetings recorded etc!!! If anything you are slandering mcgeeneys name or status as a manager

    Bury your head in the sand a bit more some day it might work.

    it had been said to you enough times


  • #589
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    Hammer mate no Kildare fans have a say who plays!!! We follow our county colours with pride so if Johnston is gonna be wearing the lily whites jersey I'll shout my heart out for him too!!

    Can I just say all the talk about poaching players pisses me off completely. I know it's wrong for counties to do it but prove it back what your saying up with solid evidence rather than calling Kildare poachers!!

    And before anyone mentions that over dramatic Dublin keeper looking for the spotlight don't even bother why would the lilies want him??? He is dublins third choice ffs our keeper is a fine shot stopper I wouldn't wanna change him!!!

    I think the Kildare forwards are fast and powerful moving the ball creating loads of chances they just need to pick shooting from better positions or give to someone better positioned they tend to shoot from mad spots altogether!!

    I think without Johnston we are still the championships dark horses the shooting is erratic but we play fantastic football IMO
    Yes I do realise fans can't pick the teams, however they can let it be known that they do not want an outsider taking the place of a homegrown Kildare player which is exactly what will happen if this transfer goes through.
    And I'm sorry, but you're either letting your Kildare bias affect your thinking or you're extremely naive. The fact is, Johnston has absolutely no attachment whatsoever to Kildare so why on Earth would he all of a sudden want to play with them? It's not too hard to put two and two together.
    And also, you seem to reject Supple's account without knowing much about the man. He played for the Ireland Under 21s and had a good chance to make it professionally. He simply didn't enjoy the life as a professional footballer and so he quit and fair play to him. I'd say he'll be Dublin's number one in the not too distant future (after all, he's only 24 at the moment)
    Why, in your opinion, would it benefit Supple to make up this story? It makes zero sense to me. Also, has McGeeney come out to deny anyone from the Kildare set up approached Supple? In my view, McGeeney will be gone from Kildare pretty soon (maybe at the end of the season if he wins no silverware) and he's desperate to leave on a high to enhance his managerial credentials.


  • #590
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    I'm also not saying your wrong agc just don't say stuff like that if you can't back it up 100 percent !!!

    I'm sure that keeper had no agenda getting media attention either


  • #591
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    Can I just say I'm defending Kildare here not geezer!! I personally think he is too conservative as a manager and is more concerned with not losing a game than the team having conviction and winning by a way of playing the game!!

    For a long time I have said he hampers smith as in smith is a fine forward have seen him score 11 or 12 points in a game vs leixlip a year or so ago and playing for the county never seems to play like he should!!

    Oconnor is a midfielder which last year we took our best forward and put him in midfield and had oconnor in forward line the thinking boggles the mind!!

    Am I defensive of mcgeeneys?? NO do I want Johnston to swan in no but I'm not gonna listen to ****e bout my team talk about mcgeeney not Kildare


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  • #592
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    Hammer Archer wrote: »
    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    The GAA transfer rules are a joke anyway.
    At present if a guy is dropped or falls out with management his only option is to sit and watch.
    Disgraceful carry on in 2012.

    Maybe not make it as free and easy to transfer as other sports but certainly modernise the situation.

    It's already unfair on the small counties with volume of players available - this never seems to get mentioned.

    In American Football the draft system tries to ensure that every team has their day, or even a chance!
    County boundaries and archaic transfer rules ensure the opposite in the GAA.
    The same big boys turn up most years and the same little boys are never seen at the top table!!

    Tradition me hole!

    Let the lad play for whoever he wants and is good enough to get a game with!!!
    So on one hand you say the current system is unfair on smaller counties yet you then say a player should be able to play with whoever he wants and is good enough to get a game with. So that would mean the likes of Mattie Forde, Declan Browne, Dessie Dolan, Tommy Freeman etc. could all move to stronger counties where they would still get a game making so called smaller teams even weaker.

    And players are dropped all the time in every sport for falling out with a manager (look at Tevez) or for other reasons not exactly relating to performance. Graham Geraghty was dropped from the Meath panel a few years back in 2007 yet he didn't pout and look to change county and ended up back on the panel in a month or so. In this case, Johnston could have been the bigger man and knuckled down and made Andrews realise he made a mistake in dropping him. Instead he acts like a spoiled child, runs to the papers about his situation yet ignores them when they try to clarify his story and tries to switch to Kildare despite having no allegiance to them whatsoever and despite him still living and (originally) playing club football in Cavan.
    I also have to say that, while I'm encouraged to see some Kildare fans against the transfer, I'm disappointed that a lot seem like they'll welcome him with open arms on the off chance he'll help them get some silverware.

    No player should be told he has to sit on the line if there is another team who want him. (in any sport)!!!


  • #593
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    No player should be told he has to sit on the line if there is another team who want him. (in any sport)!!!
    In that case, I expect the full Dublin football team's bench to be lining out for the Kilkenny footballers any day now. Surely they'd want all those players and sure all they're doing is sitting on the line.


  • #594
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    Hammer Archer wrote: »
    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    No player should be told he has to sit on the line if there is another team who want him. (in any sport)!!!
    In that case, I expect the full Dublin football team's bench to be lining out for the Kilkenny footballers any day now. Surely they'd want all those players and sure all they're doing is sitting on the line.

    If those Dublin players are unsatisfied with their treatment they should be allowed look elsewhere for a game.

    It's a short career they should be allowed make the most of it by PLAYING their sport!!!

    You are probably also in favour of locking children into a club for life.
    Even FIFA will allow you change your countrys allegiance up until you play a senior competitive game.


  • #595
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    If those Dublin players are unsatisfied with their treatment they should be allowed look elsewhere for a game.

    It's a short career they should be allowed make the most of it by PLAYING their sport!!!
    You do know they play for their clubs as well.
    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    You are probably also in favour of locking children into a club for life.
    Even FIFA will allow you change your countrys allegiance up until you play a senior competitive game.
    Yes they do. If the person has some sort of connection with that country (ie if their parent's/grandparents are of that nationality). They can't just play for any country they wish.
    The GAA are similar. Players can play for their parent's county even if they're not living/playing in that county.
    And people can also change their clubs if they have moved into the area or if they've yet to play senior for another club. Case in point is ex Meath midfielder Nigel Crawford. He played for my home club up to minor/U21 but switched to Dunboyne by playing a senior game for them as he lives on the in no mans land between the two.
    No offence, but you seem to be confused about the workings of the GAA.


  • #596
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    You might explain the reasoning behind making young players spend 96 weeks on the line before transfers are sanctioned.

    I've seen lads who wanted to transfer to a club closer to their parents house than the club they were playing for, have to spend 96 weeks on the line.

    This policy is a joke!!!


  • #597
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    You might explain the reasoning behind making young players spend 96 weeks on the line before transfers are sanctioned.

    I've seen lads who wanted to transfer to a club closer to their parents house than the club they were playing for, have to spend 96 weeks on the line.

    This policy is a joke!!!
    I don't know. Why don't you write to the GAA and ask? I've nothing to do with the GAA's transfer policies.
    Nice job on avoiding my other points though.


  • #598
    bruschi
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    You might explain the reasoning behind making young players spend 96 weeks on the line before transfers are sanctioned.

    I've seen lads who wanted to transfer to a club closer to their parents house than the club they were playing for, have to spend 96 weeks on the line.

    This policy is a joke!!!

    unless you are specifically talking about a high profile case in Kerry, then I fail to believe that players couldnt get a 'transfer' to a club where they are living.

    Can you expand some more on these lads who have had to sit on the line for 96 weeks to transfer to a club closer to their home.

    If a player is transferring to a club in which he lives in its parish, then it goes through straight away without needing a 96 week wait.


  • #599
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    I know cases in cork city where players have wanted to transfer but were made wait 96 weeks.

    I'm thinking of one case in particular where a lad who lived 1 mile from St Finbarrs club was made wait 96 weeks for a transfer from his original club Bishopstown (3 miles from his parents house)
    Not a high profile case, but this type of craic is going on all the time!!!

    Would the GAA prefer these lads to feck off and play "foreign sports"???!!!


  • #600
    DARK-KNIGHT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,224 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    The gaa policies are extremely dated IMO!!

    I'm not saying things would make sense to change 100% but why can't Johnston play for Kildare if he was dropped what other options does he have fight and lose a battle in Cavan or play for Kildare who would be delighted with his services??


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  • #601
    Hammer Archer
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hammer Archer


    DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »
    I'm not saying things would make sense to change 100% but why can't Johnston play for Kildare if he was dropped what other options does he have fight and lose a battle in Cavan or play for Kildare who would be delighted with his services??
    He hasn't even tried to "fight a battle in Cavan" so how do you know he would lose? As I said before, he could have put his head down and proven Andrews wrong but instead he ups and leaves to a county he has absolutely no affiliation to.
    And you ask why can't Johnston play for Kildare? I basically think it flies in the face of everything the GAA is about. It's about representing where you come from. If this goes through, what's to stop stronger counties poaching great players (with the ability of Johnston etc.) from weaker counties in the future?
    And would you feel the same you do now if someone like Johnny Doyle or Emmet Bolton switched to Dublin? Because in my view, they would have more of an entitlement to make that move than Johnston does to make this one.


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