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When might Eircom to enable vectoring on their eFibre/VDSL service?

KeRbDoG · 2014-01-31 19:08:22

Just starting a thread to see when we might actually see vectoring being enabled by Eircom on their eFibre/VDSL service. I've heard February but has anyone seen/heard anything more solid than that?

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#482 09-04-2014 8:13am
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AlanS181824 wrote: »

Does any know when the providers (Vodafone, Eircom, Digiweb, Magnet etc.) will start advertising the vectored speeds? IE up to 100Mb. Thanks.

VF already is http://www.vodafone.ie/home-phone-broadband/

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#483 09-04-2014 8:22am
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Looks like I had vectoring enabled last night. Very strange results.

My attenuation is 12.2db.

The SNR went from 6.5 to 10... however the attainable rate went from 63Mbit to 53Mbit! Still syncing at 50Mbit.

My ping has gone from 24 down to around 11.

Anyone know what happened there? Was I on a more stable profile before and now I'm back on a regular one? Disappointing to have vectoring reduce my attainable rate!

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#484 09-04-2014 8:58am
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I had movement on my line last night also, the G.INP has been enabled on the downstream only and the with INP going from a value of 2 which was 8ms to now a value of 28 which is 2ms. My Sync speed and attainables have dropped dramatically from 61/21 to 55/13.

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#485 09-04-2014 9:33am
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jimmad wrote: »

I had movement on my line last night also, the G.INP has been enabled on the downstream only and the with INP going from a value of 2 which was 8ms to now a value of 28 which is 2ms. My Sync speed and attainables have dropped dramatically from 61/21 to 55/13.

Fair bit of movement here also - in the opposite direction. There was a re-set early this AM. SNR on Rx gone from 12.40dB to 18.50db. Tx attainables up marginally from 23.117Mbps to 23.647Mbps and Rx from 112.224Mbps to 119.012Mbps.
Now, will she take that 100Mbps?

Look at that ping to Enniskillen.

She's now on steroids.

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#486 09-04-2014 9:39am
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Line should definitely be able for 100, maybe it was the change in profile?

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#487 09-04-2014 9:40am
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mine has also changed am with magnet too

Old
Line Rate (Down / Up) 50174 Kbps / 20478 Kbps
Noise Margin (Down / Up) 9.3 dB / 9.1 dB
Attenuation (Down / Up) 14.2 dB / 5.2 dB
Power (Down / Up) 12.4 dBm / 1.6 dBm

New
Line Rate (Down / Up) 51197 Kbps / 20478 Kbps
Noise Margin (Down / Up) 14.4 dB / 11.9 dB
Attenuation (Down / Up) 14.1 dB / 5.2 dB
Power (Down / Up) 12.6 dBm / 1.7 dBm

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#488 09-04-2014 12:11pm
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allen175 wrote: »

Line should definitely be able for 100, maybe it was the change in profile?

Yes Allen - my profile remains at 85/20 for the interim. The VDSL Counters since re-set are way down. The Actual INP Symbols have gone from 2/2 to 29/30 and I'm trying to determine what implications this may have. My reading of vectoring is simply that it's designed to suppress crosstalk "noise," thus improving if not negating altogether, major upstream correction errors, giving a purer connection with higher attainable rates.
It's understandable that eircom would have some teething problems with this implementation but the gains to be made are worth it.

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#489 10-04-2014 2:12am

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Just had vectoring go live on my line in Churchfield in Cork city.

My attainable rate has dropped from 72Mpbs to 63Mpbs though.

Ping is now as low a 4ms to my first hop down from 23ms.

New line stats
*Note new high value of INP

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 0 hour: 2 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     15.359 Mbps       50.175 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     15.360 Mbps       50.176 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       11.9 dB           13.5 dB
            Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
          Transmit Power:        3.1 dBm          13.8 dBm
           Receive Power:      -17.4 dBm          -8.7 dBm
              Actual INP:       30.0 symbols      30.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       20.5 dB           22.4 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     20.395 Mbps       64.276 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  5.5    27.9    41.2     N/A    14.6    35.4    54.2   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  5.5    27.3    40.2     N/A    19.8    35.1    54.2   
        SNR Margin(dB): 11.0    11.9    11.9     N/A    13.5    13.5    13.5   
   Transmit Power(dBm):-12.2   - 2.4     1.5     N/A    11.0     7.8     7.1   
============================================================================

Old line stats

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 16 hours: 39 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     15.418 Mbps       50.268 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     15.358 Mbps       50.170 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       9.4 dB           10.1 dB
            Actual Delay:          4 ms              8 ms
          Transmit Power:        3.1 dBm          13.8 dBm
           Receive Power:      -17.1 dBm          -8.4 dBm
              Actual INP:       2.0 symbols      3.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       20.5 dB           22.2 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     23.627 Mbps       73.020 Mbps

Ping to loadbalancer.boards.ie

PING loadbalancer.boards.ie (89.234.66.107): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 89.234.66.107: seq=0 ttl=61 time=9.715 ms
64 bytes from 89.234.66.107: seq=1 ttl=61 time=9.746 ms
64 bytes from 89.234.66.107: seq=2 ttl=61 time=9.701 ms
64 bytes from 89.234.66.107: seq=3 ttl=61 time=9.816 ms

--- loadbalancer.boards.ie ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 9.701/9.744/9.816 ms

Ping to first hop

PING 95.44.76.1 (95.44.76.1): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 95.44.76.1: seq=0 ttl=64 time=4.592 ms
64 bytes from 95.44.76.1: seq=1 ttl=64 time=4.816 ms
64 bytes from 95.44.76.1: seq=2 ttl=64 time=4.187 ms
64 bytes from 95.44.76.1: seq=3 ttl=64 time=4.577 ms

--- 95.44.76.1 ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 4.187/4.543/4.816 ms

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#490 10-04-2014 8:02am

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Cork981 wrote: »

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 0 hour: 2 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     15.359 Mbps       50.175 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     15.360 Mbps       50.176 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       11.9 dB           13.5 dB
            Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
          Transmit Power:        3.1 dBm          13.8 dBm
           Receive Power:      -17.4 dBm          -8.7 dBm
              Actual INP:       30.0 symbols      30.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       20.5 dB           22.4 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     20.395 Mbps       64.276 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  5.5    27.9    41.2     N/A    14.6    35.4    54.2   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  5.5    27.3    40.2     N/A    19.8    35.1    54.2   
        SNR Margin(dB): 11.0    11.9    11.9     N/A    13.5    13.5    13.5   
   Transmit Power(dBm):-12.2   - 2.4     1.5     N/A    11.0     7.8     7.1   
============================================================================

Old line stats

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 16 hours: 39 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     15.418 Mbps       50.268 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     15.358 Mbps       50.170 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       9.4 dB           10.1 dB
            Actual Delay:          4 ms              8 ms
          Transmit Power:        3.1 dBm          13.8 dBm
           Receive Power:      -17.1 dBm          -8.4 dBm
              Actual INP:       2.0 symbols      3.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       20.5 dB           22.2 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     23.627 Mbps       73.020 Mbps

Ping to loadbalancer.boards.ie

PING loadbalancer.boards.ie (89.234.66.107): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 89.234.66.107: seq=0 ttl=61 time=9.715 ms
64 bytes from 89.234.66.107: seq=1 ttl=61 time=9.746 ms
64 bytes from 89.234.66.107: seq=2 ttl=61 time=9.701 ms
64 bytes from 89.234.66.107: seq=3 ttl=61 time=9.816 ms

--- loadbalancer.boards.ie ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 9.701/9.744/9.816 ms

Ping to first hop

PING 95.44.76.1 (95.44.76.1): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 95.44.76.1: seq=0 ttl=64 time=4.592 ms
64 bytes from 95.44.76.1: seq=1 ttl=64 time=4.816 ms
64 bytes from 95.44.76.1: seq=2 ttl=64 time=4.187 ms
64 bytes from 95.44.76.1: seq=3 ttl=64 time=4.577 ms

--- 95.44.76.1 ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 4.187/4.543/4.816 ms

What does that mean? Is it slower but the line is cleaner?

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#491 10-04-2014 8:05am
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Same as me so. Higher SNR but lower attainable and lower ping.

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#492 10-04-2014 12:15pm
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I think vectoring's possibly active on my line now as the VoIP ATA is reporting that there was a fairly long period of no DSL connectivity last night at around 12:00 and again at 1:00.

The attainable speed's slightly higher but not significantly.

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#493 10-04-2014 12:23pm
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Cork981 wrote: »

Just had vectoring go live on my line in Churchfield in Cork city.

My attainable rate has dropped from 72Mpbs to 63Mpbs though.

Ping is now as low a 4ms to my first hop down from 23ms.

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brian ireland wrote: »

What does that mean? Is it slower but the line is cleaner?

Nonoperational wrote: »

Same as me so. Higher SNR but lower attainable and lower ping.

I think I'm the same, noticed an outage on the line yesterday around 11am for around 20mins, and afterwards the attainable rate has dropped from 75 to 53, but pings are quicker. (Connected to the little island exchange , Cork)

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#494 10-04-2014 12:31pm
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SpaceTime wrote: »

I think vectoring's possibly active on my line now as the VoIP ATA is reporting that there was a fairly long period of no DSL connectivity last night at around 12:00 and again at 1:00.

The attainable speed's slightly higher but not significantly.

Mine went down at that time last night.where are you?I am in castlebar

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#495 10-04-2014 12:32pm

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============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 11 hours: 47 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     15.359 Mbps       50.175 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     15.360 Mbps       50.176 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       13.0 dB           15.4 dB
            Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
          Transmit Power:      - 5.6 dBm          14.4 dBm
           Receive Power:      -21.2 dBm          -2.1 dBm
              Actual INP:       30.0 symbols      30.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       15.5 dB           16.4 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     22.159 Mbps       71.004 Mbps

Checked my parents line, attainable rate and ping times both down.

Ping statistics for 89.234.66.107:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 12ms, Maximum = 15ms, Average = 13ms

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#496 10-04-2014 12:41pm
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Vdsl appears to be down here in glanmire, and it disconnected first for 5 mimutes about an hour ago, so it might be vectoring related. Time to use the internet sharing on the phone!

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#497 10-04-2014 1:02pm
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when i got it installed
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 1 hour: 39 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 8.251 Mbps 30.795 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 8.191 Mbps 30.720 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 11.7 dB 12.4 dB
Actual Delay: 6 ms 8 ms
Transmit Power: 8.3 dBm 12.8 dBm
Receive Power: -6.5 dBm -16.3 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 3.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 14.8 dB 29.1 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 13.971 Mbps 48.888 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 7.4 40.1 59.2 N/A 19.4 50.4 76.5
Signal Attenuation(dB): 7.4 39.3 56.2 N/A 27.6 50.0 N/A
SNR Margin(dB): 11.7 11.7 11.7 N/A 12.4 12.4 N/A
Transmit Power(dBm): 0.8 6.0 1.7 N/A 11.2 7.7 N/A
============================================================================
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===========================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 12 hours: 20 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 8.190 Mbps 30.718 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 8.191 Mbps 30.719 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 11.6 dB 13.8 dB
Actual Delay: 0 ms 0 ms
Transmit Power: 8.0 dBm 12.9 dBm
Receive Power: -7.2 dBm -16.0 dBm
Actual INP: 29.0 symbols 30.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 15.3 dB 28.9 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 11.769 Mbps 42.220 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 7.4 40.4 59.7 N/A 19.0 50.7 76.8
Signal Attenuation(dB): 7.4 39.7 56.2 N/A 27.4 50.3 N/A
SNR Margin(dB): 11.9 11.7 11.5 N/A 13.8 13.8 N/A
Transmit Power(dBm): 0.1 6.0 1.3 N/A 11.3 7.6 N/A
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the ones in bold are the one that have changed

got on to eircom through there web chat am now on 40 down 10 up
the agent did say this to me
"Mihail: I've changed that now, you should be seeing 40mb down in the following hour - also note that vectoring is enabled for testing purposes and may be terminated at a random point in the near future - if that occurs and your broadband becomes unstable please get in touch with us and we'll amend the profile down until vectoring is permanently enabled. Is that ok?

=========================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 0 hour: 1 minute
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 10.239 Mbps 40.956 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 10.240 Mbps 40.957 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 9.0 dB 9.6 dB
Actual Delay: 0 ms 0 ms
Transmit Power: 8.4 dBm 12.8 dBm
Receive Power: -7.0 dBm -16.2 dBm
Actual INP: 29.0 symbols 29.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 15.5 dB 29.0 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 11.153 Mbps 42.248 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 7.4 40.4 59.6 N/A 19.0 50.7 77.0
Signal Attenuation(dB): 7.4 39.7 57.1 N/A 27.5 50.3 N/A
SNR Margin(dB): 9.1 9.0 9.0 N/A 9.6 9.6 N/A
Transmit Power(dBm): 0.3 5.9 3.1 N/A 11.2 7.7 N/A
============================================================================

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#498 10-04-2014 2:38pm

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============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 20 hours: 35 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     10.297 Mbps       41.116 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     10.239 Mbps       40.956 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       18.1 dB           12.6 dB
            Actual Delay:          4 ms              8 ms
          Transmit Power:        7.4 dBm           9.9 dBm
           Receive Power:      -13.7 dBm          -9.2 dBm
              Actual INP:        2.0 symbols       3.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       21.2 dB           19.1 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     27.321 Mbps       67.916 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  5.9    31.0    46.6     N/A    15.6    39.3    61.1   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  5.9    30.2    46.2     N/A    12.6    39.0    61.2   
        SNR Margin(dB): 18.3    18.2    18.1     N/A    12.6    12.6    12.4   
   Transmit Power(dBm):- 8.0     0.5     6.4     N/A     3.3     7.7     2.3   
============================================================================

Now:

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 13 hours: 26 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     10.238 Mbps       40.959 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     10.239 Mbps       40.960 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       18.4 dB           22.3 dB
            Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
          Transmit Power:        6.9 dBm          11.4 dBm
           Receive Power:      -13.9 dBm          -8.4 dBm
              Actual INP:       29.0 symbols      29.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       20.8 dB           19.8 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     22.204 Mbps       72.376 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  5.9    31.0    46.5     N/A    15.6    39.2    61.0   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  5.9    30.2    46.2     N/A    17.4    38.9    61.1   
        SNR Margin(dB): 18.8    18.4    18.4     N/A    22.3    22.3     [COLOR="red"]0.0   [/COLOR]
   Transmit Power(dBm):- 8.2     0.6     5.5     N/A     8.9     7.7  [COLOR="Red"] -128.0 [/COLOR]  
============================================================================

Didn't make much impact on my line at all really. Bit disappointing.

Slight improvement on attainable download and a significant drop on the upload attainable rate.

Something strange happening on D3 band.

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#499 10-04-2014 3:15pm

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SpaceTime wrote: »

					
============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 20 hours: 35 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     10.297 Mbps       41.116 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     10.239 Mbps       40.956 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       18.1 dB           12.6 dB
            Actual Delay:          4 ms              8 ms
          Transmit Power:        7.4 dBm           9.9 dBm
           Receive Power:      -13.7 dBm          -9.2 dBm
              Actual INP:        2.0 symbols       3.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       21.2 dB           19.1 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     27.321 Mbps       67.916 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  5.9    31.0    46.6     N/A    15.6    39.3    61.1   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  5.9    30.2    46.2     N/A    12.6    39.0    61.2   
        SNR Margin(dB): 18.3    18.2    18.1     N/A    12.6    12.6    12.4   
   Transmit Power(dBm):- 8.0     0.5     6.4     N/A     3.3     7.7     2.3   
============================================================================

Now:

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 13 hours: 26 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     10.238 Mbps       40.959 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     10.239 Mbps       40.960 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       18.4 dB           22.3 dB
            Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
          Transmit Power:        6.9 dBm          11.4 dBm
           Receive Power:      -13.9 dBm          -8.4 dBm
              Actual INP:       29.0 symbols      29.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       20.8 dB           19.8 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     22.204 Mbps       72.376 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  5.9    31.0    46.5     N/A    15.6    39.2    61.0   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  5.9    30.2    46.2     N/A    17.4    38.9    61.1   
        SNR Margin(dB): 18.8    18.4    18.4     N/A    22.3    22.3     [COLOR="red"]0.0   [/COLOR]
   Transmit Power(dBm):- 8.2     0.6     5.5     N/A     8.9     7.7  [COLOR="Red"] -128.0 [/COLOR]  
============================================================================

Did you ring them?you have get them to change it for you

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#500 10-04-2014 3:31pm

fat-tony

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My cab in Greystones, Co. Wicklow had the vectoring ugrade overnight. My downstream SNR went up from 13dB to 18.9dB and upstream from 12dB to 14.8dB. Massive increase in downstream SNR, so I'd expect a lift from 70Mb to 100Mb any day now!

Here's an extract of my log from this morning

2014-04-10 01:02:24  Daemon Notice cms 1 HuaweiATP WAN connection(IP:109.79.45.2,DNS server:89.19.64.36,89.19.64.164) PTM_TR069_VOIP_INTERNET_R_VID_10 connected.
2014-04-10 01:02:24  Daemon Notice cms 1 HuaweiATP WAN connection PTM_TR069_VOIP_INTERNET_R_VID_10 connected.
2014-04-10 01:02:17  User Debug cms 1 HuaweiATP DSL activate successfully
2014-04-10 00:49:53  Daemon Notice cms 1 HuaweiATP WAN connection PTM_TR069_VOIP_INTERNET_R_VID_10 disconnected.(ERROR_NONE)
2014-04-10 00:49:51  User Debug cms 1 HuaweiATP DSL deactivate
2014-04-10 00:04:26  Daemon Notice cms 1 HuaweiATP WAN connection(IP:109.79.32.63,DNS server:89.19.64.36,89.19.64.164) PTM_TR069_VOIP_INTERNET_R_VID_10 connected.
2014-04-10 00:04:26  Daemon Notice cms 1 HuaweiATP WAN connection PTM_TR069_VOIP_INTERNET_R_VID_10 connected.
2014-04-10 00:04:17  User Debug cms 1 HuaweiATP DSL activate successfully
2014-04-10 00:03:55  Daemon Notice cms 1 HuaweiATP WAN connection PTM_TR069_VOIP_INTERNET_R_VID_10 disconnected.(ERROR_NONE)
2014-04-10 00:03:53  User Debug cms 1 HuaweiATP DSL deactivate

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#501 10-04-2014 4:24pm

AmilcarAlho

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Looks like something happened in the Whitehall area, stats for a secondary site:

Installation in February

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 0 hour: 16 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:      1.083 Mbps       12.361 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:      1.023 Mbps       12.286 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       20.1 dB            9.1 dB
            Actual Delay:          4 ms              8 ms
          Transmit Power:        7.2 dBm           8.1 dBm
           Receive Power:       -9.6 dBm         -13.3 dBm
              Actual INP:        2.0 symbols       3.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       16.9 dB           21.4 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:      5.911 Mbps       18.016 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB): 10.1    56.5    34.0     N/A    23.7    69.6    102.3   
Signal Attenuation(dB): 10.1    56.6     N/A     N/A    20.3    68.7     N/A   
        SNR Margin(dB): 21.2    19.9     N/A     N/A     9.1     9.1     N/A   
   Transmit Power(dBm):  0.4     6.2     N/A     N/A     6.9     1.9     N/A   
============================================================================

Today:

============================================================================
    VDSL Training Status:   Showtime
                    Mode:   VDSL2 Annex B
            VDSL Profile:   Profile 17a
            Traffic Type:   PTM Mode
             Link Uptime:   0 day: 0 hour: 44 minutes
============================================================================
       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:      3.068 Mbps       15.358 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:      3.069 Mbps       15.359 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       11.2 dB           13.6 dB
            Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
          Transmit Power:        7.2 dBm          10.1 dBm
           Receive Power:       -9.6 dBm         -13.5 dBm
              Actual INP:       30.0 symbols      30.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:       16.9 dB           23.6 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:      4.546 Mbps       21.156 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB): 10.2    57.1    32.0     N/A    23.9    70.4    102.3   
Signal Attenuation(dB): 10.2    56.5     N/A     N/A    23.6     N/A     N/A   
        SNR Margin(dB): 10.8    11.2     N/A     N/A    13.6     N/A     N/A   
   Transmit Power(dBm):  0.5     6.2     N/A     N/A    10.1     N/A     N/A   
============================================================================

Shame that the upload dropped, I guess that line will be stuck at 15/3 for now.

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#502 10-04-2014 5:05pm

HellboundIRL

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Before vectoring

       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     20.549 Mbps       71.812 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     20.479 Mbps       71.672 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:        9.1 dB           12.0 dB
            Actual Delay:          4 ms              7 ms
          Transmit Power:      -16.2 dBm          13.1 dBm
           Receive Power:      -25.8 dBm           2.5 dBm
              Actual INP:        2.0 symbols       3.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:        9.7 dB           10.5 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     29.759 Mbps      104.956 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  2.2    11.6    16.5     N/A     7.4    16.4    24.8   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  2.2    11.0    15.1     N/A     7.4    16.3    24.8   
        SNR Margin(dB):  9.4     9.2     9.1     N/A    11.9    11.7    11.9   
   Transmit Power(dBm):-27.3   -17.9   -21.8     N/A     9.5     8.1     7.1   
============================================================================

After vectoring:

       VDSL Port Details       Upstream         Downstream
               Line Rate:     20.477 Mbps       71.678 Mbps
    Actual Net Data Rate:     20.478 Mbps       71.679 Mbps
          Trellis Coding:         ON                ON
              SNR Margin:       12.0 dB           14.3 dB
            Actual Delay:          0 ms              0 ms
          Transmit Power:      -16.3 dBm          13.3 dBm
           Receive Power:      -25.9 dBm           2.8 dBm
              Actual INP:       29.0 symbols      30.0 symbols
       Total Attenuation:        9.6 dB           10.3 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate:     26.866 Mbps       90.464 Mbps
============================================================================
      VDSL Band Status    U0      U1      U2      U3      D1      D2      D3
  Line Attenuation(dB):  2.1    11.7    16.6     N/A     7.5    16.5    25.0   
Signal Attenuation(dB):  2.1    10.9    15.6     N/A     7.5    16.3    25.0   
        SNR Margin(dB): 11.9    12.0    11.9     N/A    14.3    14.3    14.3   
   Transmit Power(dBm):-27.2   -18.3   -21.7     N/A    10.0     8.0     6.9   
============================================================================

My attainable net rate went down by 14mb, pings are a lot better though. I contacted Eircom through webchat to ask about a possible profile change but they said the database hadn't been updated yet and it'd be Monday before they could do anything.

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#503 10-04-2014 6:14pm
SpaceTime

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Not much point in talking to them until Monday.

I'm just wondering what the D3 channel is all about though on my stats.

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#504 10-04-2014 6:19pm
AlanS181824

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Anyone know how to check the Max attainable on the Vodafone Router?

I haven't gotten it yet but I'd like to be able to check as soon as it's installed.

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#505 10-04-2014 6:23pm
JWRyan

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Before vectoring
============================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 2 hours: 46 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 20.549 Mbps 61.527 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 20.479 Mbps 61.428 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 11.7 dB 6.6 dB
Actual Delay: 4 ms 8 ms
Transmit Power: 8.6 dBm 14.5 dBm
Receive Power: -8.6 dBm -3.1 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 2.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 17.1 dB 17.6 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 33.036 Mbps 66.632 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 4.5 32.9 35.4 N/A 12.9 31.6 48.4
Signal Attenuation(dB): 4.5 33.1 34.4 N/A 15.6 31.5 48.4
SNR Margin(dB): 12.0 11.6 11.7 N/A 6.6 6.5 6.5
Transmit Power(dBm):- 4.2 3.5 6.5 N/A 12.4 7.9 6.8
============================================================================
Pinging boards.ie with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 89.234.66.108: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=60
Reply from 89.234.66.108: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=60
Reply from 89.234.66.108: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=60
Reply from 89.234.66.108: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=60

After Vectoring:
============================================================================ VDSL Training Status: Showtime Mode: VDSL2 Annex B VDSL Profile: Profile 17a Traffic Type: PTM Mode Link Uptime: 0 day: 9 hours: 3 minutes ============================================================================ VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream Line Rate: 20.477 Mbps 51.196 Mbps Actual Net Data Rate: 20.478 Mbps 51.197 Mbps Trellis Coding: ON ON SNR Margin: 14.5 dB 11.8 dB Actual Delay: 0 ms 0 ms Transmit Power: 8.6 dBm 14.4 dBm Receive Power: -8.5 dBm -2.1 dBm Actual INP: 29.0 symbols 29.0 symbols Total Attenuation: 17.1 dB 16.5 dB Attainable Net Data Rate: 29.030 Mbps 58.416 Mbps ============================================================================ VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3 Line Attenuation(dB): 4.5 33.0 35.8 N/A 13.0 31.8 48.7 Signal Attenuation(dB): 4.5 33.1 34.6 N/A 14.5 31.7 48.7 SNR Margin(dB): 16.3 14.3 14.5 N/A 11.8 11.8 11.8 Transmit Power(dBm):- 4.1 3.6 6.6 N/A 12.3 7.9 6.1 ============================================================================

Noticed Eircom dropped my profile from 60/20 to 50/20 yesterday and attainable download has dropped today with vectoring. Seem to be worse off with vectoring enabled than without. How does that make sense?

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#506 10-04-2014 6:33pm
OneEightSeven

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AlanS181824 wrote: »

Anyone know how to check the Max attainable on the Vodafone Router?

I haven't gotten it yet but I'd like to be able to check as soon as it's installed.

Vico1612 did it:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89602895&postcount=206

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057006124

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#507 10-04-2014 6:44pm
AlanS181824

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OneEightSeven wrote: »

Vico1612 did it:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89602895&postcount=206

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057006124

I actually had both of them bookmarked already but I couldn't find them.

Thanks!

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#508 10-04-2014 7:56pm
Nonoperational

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I can't make sense of the vectoring update for me at all. Keep resyncing at around 49Mbit when was always a rick solid 51 before.

Attainable makes no sense. When it syncs at 48 it says the attainable is 49 even though the SNR margin is 10.5. When it syncs at 51 it says the attainable is 53 with an SNR of 9.5. Makes no sense to me.

Is it down to a profile change or something?

The sync is not down to 47 after a few hours. No restart noted. When I reboot it it's back up to 51 again. I don't know.

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#509 10-04-2014 11:32pm

lmimmfn

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Mullingar here, vectoring seems to be turned on now and as above, getting great pings but worse speeds and better SNR
Before Vectoring

Line standard 	VDSL2
Channel type
	None 
[b]Downstream line rate (kbit/s)	                51197
Upstream line rate (kbit/s)	                20480
Downstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 	81628
Upstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 	        22079
Downstream SNR (dB)  	                        12
Upstream SNR (dB)  	                        6.2[/b]
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 	9.4
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 	2.8
Downstream DS1 loop attenuation(dB) 	9.4
Downstream DS2 loop attenuation(dB) 	19.7
Downstream DS3 loop attenuation(dB) 	31.0
Upstream US0 loop attenuation(dB) 	2.8
Upstream US1 loop attenuation(dB) 	14.9
Upstream US2 loop attenuation(dB) 	22.2
Upstream US3 loop attenuation(dB) 	N/A
Downstream DS1 signal attenuation(dB) 	9.4
Downstream DS2 signal attenuation(dB) 	19.7
Downstream DS3 signal attenuation(dB) 	31.0
Upstream US0 signal attenuation(dB) 	2.8
Upstream US1 signal attenuation(dB) 	14.9
Upstream US2 signal attenuation(dB) 	22.2
Upstream US3 signal attenuation(dB) 	N/A
Kl0(1MHz attenuation)(dB) 	750
Downstream output power (dBmV) 	14.5
Upstream output power (dBmV) 	-11.9
Downstream delay(ms) 	8
Upstream delay(ms) 	7
Downstream INP(symbols) 	3.5
Upstream INP(symbols) 	2.0
Downstream CRC 	5
Upstream CRC 	14
Downstream FEC 	9371
Upstream FEC 	21287
Downstream Error seconds 	1
Upstream Error seconds 	6

After Vectoring

Line standard 	VDSL2
VDSL standard 	Profile 17a
Channel type
	None 
[b]Downstream line rate (kbit/s)	                51198
Upstream line rate (kbit/s)	                19394
Downstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 	72384
Upstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 	        19051
Downstream SNR (dB)  	                        15.4
Upstream SNR (dB)  	                        9[/b]
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 	9.5
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 	2.9
Downstream DS1 loop attenuation(dB) 	9.5
Downstream DS2 loop attenuation(dB) 	19.8
Downstream DS3 loop attenuation(dB) 	31.3
Upstream US0 loop attenuation(dB) 	2.9
Upstream US1 loop attenuation(dB) 	15.0
Upstream US2 loop attenuation(dB) 	22.4
Upstream US3 loop attenuation(dB) 	N/A
Downstream DS1 signal attenuation(dB) 	9.5
Downstream DS2 signal attenuation(dB) 	19.8
Downstream DS3 signal attenuation(dB) 	31.3
Upstream US0 signal attenuation(dB) 	2.9
Upstream US1 signal attenuation(dB) 	15.0
Upstream US2 signal attenuation(dB) 	22.4
Upstream US3 signal attenuation(dB) 	N/A
Kl0(1MHz attenuation)(dB) 	750
Downstream output power (dBmV) 	14.6
Upstream output power (dBmV) 	-12
Downstream delay(ms) 	0
Upstream delay(ms) 	0
Downstream INP(symbols) 	29.0
Upstream INP(symbols) 	13.0
Downstream CRC 	0
Upstream CRC 	0
Downstream FEC 	0
Upstream FEC 	0
Downstream Error seconds 	0
Upstream Error seconds 	0

Does anyone have any idea whats going on regarding drops in attainable rates?

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#510 10-04-2014 11:37pm
Nonoperational

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Down from 51 to 46 now in the past hour. No dropping of connection. Bizarre.

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#511 11-04-2014 11:23am
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JWRyan wrote: »

Before vectoring
============================================================================
VDSL Training Status: Showtime
Mode: VDSL2 Annex B
VDSL Profile: Profile 17a
Traffic Type: PTM Mode
Link Uptime: 0 day: 2 hours: 46 minutes
============================================================================
VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream
Line Rate: 20.549 Mbps 61.527 Mbps
Actual Net Data Rate: 20.479 Mbps 61.428 Mbps
Trellis Coding: ON ON
SNR Margin: 11.7 dB 6.6 dB
Actual Delay: 4 ms 8 ms
Transmit Power: 8.6 dBm 14.5 dBm
Receive Power: -8.6 dBm -3.1 dBm
Actual INP: 2.0 symbols 2.0 symbols
Total Attenuation: 17.1 dB 17.6 dB
Attainable Net Data Rate: 33.036 Mbps 66.632 Mbps
============================================================================
VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3
Line Attenuation(dB): 4.5 32.9 35.4 N/A 12.9 31.6 48.4
Signal Attenuation(dB): 4.5 33.1 34.4 N/A 15.6 31.5 48.4
SNR Margin(dB): 12.0 11.6 11.7 N/A 6.6 6.5 6.5
Transmit Power(dBm):- 4.2 3.5 6.5 N/A 12.4 7.9 6.8
============================================================================
Pinging boards.ie with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 89.234.66.108: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=60
Reply from 89.234.66.108: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=60
Reply from 89.234.66.108: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=60
Reply from 89.234.66.108: bytes=32 time=24ms TTL=60

After Vectoring:
============================================================================ VDSL Training Status: Showtime Mode: VDSL2 Annex B VDSL Profile: Profile 17a Traffic Type: PTM Mode Link Uptime: 0 day: 9 hours: 3 minutes ============================================================================ VDSL Port Details Upstream Downstream Line Rate: 20.477 Mbps 51.196 Mbps Actual Net Data Rate: 20.478 Mbps 51.197 Mbps Trellis Coding: ON ON SNR Margin: 14.5 dB 11.8 dB Actual Delay: 0 ms 0 ms Transmit Power: 8.6 dBm 14.4 dBm Receive Power: -8.5 dBm -2.1 dBm Actual INP: 29.0 symbols 29.0 symbols Total Attenuation: 17.1 dB 16.5 dB Attainable Net Data Rate: 29.030 Mbps 58.416 Mbps ============================================================================ VDSL Band Status U0 U1 U2 U3 D1 D2 D3 Line Attenuation(dB): 4.5 33.0 35.8 N/A 13.0 31.8 48.7 Signal Attenuation(dB): 4.5 33.1 34.6 N/A 14.5 31.7 48.7 SNR Margin(dB): 16.3 14.3 14.5 N/A 11.8 11.8 11.8 Transmit Power(dBm):- 4.1 3.6 6.6 N/A 12.3 7.9 6.1 ============================================================================

Noticed Eircom dropped my profile from 60/20 to 50/20 yesterday and attainable download has dropped today with vectoring. Seem to be worse off with vectoring enabled than without. How does that make sense?

vectoring is not enabled on your cab yet, when it is your attainables will effectively double

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