When might Eircom to enable vectoring on their eFibre/VDSL service?

swoofer wrote: »

The shambles is that there has been no news by VF about vectoring, all they have done is change theIr website to show " up to 100mb" which I detest.

Eircom did a press release aeons ago and nothing else. One has now way of knowing if local cabinet has been enabled so you are at the mercy of the provider.

Eircom will understandably upgrade their customers automatically but the rest of us are faffing about waiting for news.

The roll out was expected to finish end of March 2014.

What eircom could do and should have done was mark the cabinets on their map as enabled for vectoring as they went along. They could also do a few updated press releases advising of progress.

I am only ranting as my line went bad as vectoring was being rolled out but a great guy on VF tech support told me just now, line has a fault so until that is fixed no point in enabling vectoring but he has put my speed back up to 39mb/8.5mb, however until fault is fixed this may drop again. Its now over to eircom.

I was expecting vectoring by end of March and its nearly June now. I know I should not moan but a lot of the blurb promises great things.

For heaven's sake. Even without vectoring the speeds are very impressive. Come over to Germany and see how slowly Telekom here are rolling out VDSL. Eirom wholesale are absolutely flying along with this stuff.

MBSnr wrote: »

Would you be able to hazard a guess as to the distance from the cab they are? You can get down to street level on the fibre map here http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/Our_Network/. Tick the Live box on the right.

I'm not 100% sure what path their line takes from the cab, but the tech did confirm which cab they're on. Eircom website says 768m as the crow flies, I estimate 1050m if following the road. I suspect the line quality over the last 50m is pretty poor too (house built in the 1930s).

Like I said, after vectoring it's approx. 20 down and 3 up. Rock solid connection too.

SpaceTime wrote: »

AFAIK, they're all enabled at this stage.

Check your modem stats and see if your 'attainable speed' has gone up. You could still be on a slower profile. In that case, you might need to contact your ISP's technical support.

Eircom seem to be re-profiling their own customers automatically (bit by bit), but that doesn't necessarily mean that other ISPs using the cabinets are necessarily doing the same.

The profile is just the speed that your account is set to rather than what the line's capable of.

I'm with Eircom and I read this to mean that my cabinet must be vectored already. I have been checking my stats regularly but they had not changed. So I rang Eircom this evening and the rep I spoke to didn't know what vectoring was and had never even heard the word. He asked his colleague who told him they have no idea when it will happen.

swoofer wrote: »

well I did use the word "shambles" a little earlier.

here is a way to check, may not be foolproof, go to eircom website, put your no. in and it will show you the speed your line can now take, if its the same, then not vectored, if it shows an increase then its been vectored. You need to speak to eircom tech support not customer service,

I'm on VF (70/20 profile) and my SNR stats improved (up nearly 6dB) in early April and ping times dropped. Rang VF at end of April and they told me line was capable of +100Mb but they were unable to switch me as there was no higher profile available to them. The VF line checker says 100Mb, but the eircom one says max 70Mb. So maybe not vectored? How come the SNR improvement then?

The Huawei contract seems to involve delivery of complete assemblies, already mounted in the cabinet (arctan reckons even the installations inside exchanges for the direct fed customers involve the whole cabinet being installed) so I seriously doubt the gear in those old cabinets has been replaced. That sort of thing should be way down the list of priorities-they have VDSL even if it's not 100Mb!

I rang Vodafone yesterday and asked about Vectoring - guy I spoke to checked a database for me but it's not fully populated yet (I asked and he said that it was most of the Dublin and Cork cabs that were on the database as either having vectoring enabled or not). My cab (NMK1_009) wasn't on it so he couldn't tell me - I had an engineer here this morning though and he said that the NTMK ones were not yet enabled. I imagine that anyone can ring the other resellers out of Eircom Wholesale and they'll have similar access to said database (for what it's worth).

MBSnr, and anyone else who would like to see the attainables (and other hidden info about the line connection) on the HG658c router DSL stats page, they can be viewed by editing the CSS in most browsers - just search for "display:none" (it'll be a style attribute) and delete it. if you have the browser extension "Stylish" (or other style adaptor) installed, you can automate this to reveal all the hidden features (not just the hidden stats) with the following:

[style*="display:none"] {display:inline !important}

set to apply to the domain 192.168.1.1

If you're running OS X, I made an app that makes a whole bunch of improvements to the Huawei router's UI - I'd be happy to share.

And if anyone with Eircom who is 1.5km+ from their cab, and on the maximum adaptive rate profile Eircom allows their line, please post their stats - specifically their SNR margins. Thanks.

swoofer I don't know what the forum rules are re: linking to an app so I PM'd it to you. Interesting conversation you relate - as I'm sure you know, Vodafone's rate adaptive profiles won't sync at SNR's of below 9dB anymore (used to be 6 which suited me better at 1.8km away) so, with your SNR of 9.5 and a clean line, it figures that there's not much more the engineer can do for you.

Re. manually changing the hidden attribute for the HG658c's unshown stats etc.: Take Firefox as an example.

You'd type in 192.168.1.1 into the URL bar at the top of the browser

Enter "admin" and "admin1234" for username and password respectively.

Navigate to the DSL stats page.

Right-click (or ctrl-click) on the words "Upstream line rate (kbit/s)" and choose "Inspect Element" from the contextual menu that appears.

In the console that appears at the bottom of the page you'll see that, two or three lines below the selected line, are two lines ending "style="display:none"></tr>"

Double click on the words "display:none" and they should be selected. Press delete / backspace and then press enter / return. Repeat for the other one.

You should now be able to see the attainables for your line connection. The same principle applies to the other hidden elements elsewhere on this and other pages in the router domain.

after working how to find the hidden stats i got this.

i am about 500m from the cab.

Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 30719
Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 8191
Downstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 42596
Upstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 21770

do i have vectoring and i how do i get a upload of 20 meg.

irishgeo wrote: »

after working how to find the hidden stats i got this.

i am about 500m from the cab.

Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 30719
Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 8191
Downstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 42596
Upstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 21770

do i have vectoring and i how do i get a upload of 20 meg.

It would be good to see the SNR stats but, based on the attainables alone, I'd be surprised if Vodafone couldn't up you to their 40/10 rate adaptive profile. It might be worth ringing their tech support in the morning and ask them to check it and switch you up. There's no longer much of a case for remaining on a fixed rate profile when Vodafone's variable rate ones are so (arguably unnecessarily) robust.

OneEightSeven wrote: »

Best thing to do is take a screenshot of your stats page and post it here because we'll need to know your line attenuation and noise margin.

as requested

i measured the distance from the car, not an exact science.

screenshot of the stats page.

irishgeo ^^^

I'd have thought as your SNR is 15dB you'd be able to get the next profile up - 40/10.

Also reboot the modem if you notice the profile changing - I found on the Eircom F1000 my speed tests showed me connecting at the lower profile speed even though it had been upped. A reboot got me the full speed.

no joy with a reboot

OcocO wrote: »

irishgeo: just for the avoidance of doubt I want to make sure that you realise that you have to actually ring VF tech support (1800 805 019) and ask them to raise your profile.

SpaceTime: I've also been taking an interest in the times of day that noise is generated (mostly because if I pick my time I can reboot and squeeze an extra MBit or two out of the connection) so I programmed my new UI for the router to plot SNRs and attainables over time, which yielded the following chart:

i got that , someone suggested a reboot, thats all.

ill give them a ring and see what they think.

MBSnr wrote: »

That was me. I had to reboot after the profile change as even though the modem said it was connected at the new profile speed it wasn't actually until restarted.

Seen that mentioned a couple times. The profile change re-syncs but the speeds don't change so i'd hazard a guess the QoS values aren't reset and its still ranging to the old max.

Well there sure is a lot going on in the airwaves - but that's probably a topic for another thread.
This extract from the first link:

The most commonly used ADSL, ADSL2, and ADSL2plus frequency bands for ADSL are:
upstream: 25.875 kHz to 138 kHz (for all ADSL) downstream: 138 kHz to 1.1 MHz (for G.992.1 and G.992.3) downstream: 138 kHz to 2.2 MHz (for G.992.5)

The frequency bands specified in ITU-T Recommendation G.993.2 (VDSL2) are:

optional upstream band: 25.875 kHz to 138 kHz

downstream 1: 138 kHz to 3.75 MHz

upstream 1: 3.75 MHz to 5.2 MHz

downstream 2: 5.2 MHz to 8.5 MHz
upstream 2: 8.5 MHz to 12 MHz

downstream 3: 12 MHz to 23 MHz
upstream 3: 23 MHz to 30 MHz

Please note that the VDSL2 standard specifies several profiles which define different maximum frequencies: 8.5 MHz, 12 MHz, 17 MHz, and 30 MHz. Thus, not all VDSL2 implementations utilize the full 30 MHz spectrum.

as well as being interesting, gives me something to hang my hidden attenuation stats on:

Not sure why half are "loop" and the other half "signal" but I'm mainly curious to know if the VDSL2 here in Ireland are, in fact, using those higher frequencies as part of Noise reduction/ error checking or some such.

heres my stats from my vodafone router, ive already rang vodafone about getting the profile changed to be told that eircom have the line locked to 50/15 and i know this is bull as i had magnet 70mb fatpipe up till the start of this year and was on a 50/20 profile. what can i do about that?

Old magnet router stats where

Line Rate (Down / Up) 50174 Kbps / 20478 Kbps
Noise Margin (Down / Up) 9.3 dB / 9.1 dB
Attenuation (Down / Up) 14.2 dB / 5.2 dB
Power (Down / Up) 12.4 dBm / 1.6 dBm



with the massive difference between pings and small increase in snr can i take it that vectoring is enabled on that line?

and heres the vodafone stats

Line standard VDSL2
VDSL standard Profile 17a
Channel type None
Downstream line rate (kbit/s) 50176
Upstream line rate (kbit/s) 15360
Downstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 64184
Upstream attainable data rate(kbit/s) 23591
Downstream SNR (dB) 14.4
Upstream SNR (dB) 14.2
Downstream line attenuation (dB) 14.2
Upstream line attenuation (dB) 4.9
Downstream DS1 loop attenuation(dB) 14.2
Downstream DS2 loop attenuation(dB) 33.4
Downstream DS3 loop attenuation(dB) 50.7
Upstream US0 loop attenuation(dB) 4.9
Upstream US1 loop attenuation(dB) 26.2
Upstream US2 loop attenuation(dB) 38.8
Upstream US3 loop attenuation(dB) N/A
Kl0(1MHz attenuation)(dB) 1270
Downstream output power (dBmV) 12.5
Upstream output power (dBmV) 1.7
Downstream delay(ms) 0
Upstream delay(ms) 0
Downstream INP(symbols) 30.0
Upstream INP(symbols) 30.0
Downstream CRC 0
Upstream CRC 0
Downstream FEC 2307
Upstream FEC 2
Downstream Error seconds 0