The Winds of Winter (Book 6 Discussion) SPOILERS for all books & future books

Sleepy · 17-09-2014 12:39pm

GerB40 wrote: »

http://www.kdramastars.com/articles/37792/20140916/winds-of-winter-release-date.htm

We've heard it all before but is there any reason to get our hopes up??

The date sounds plausible enough but it's pure, idle speculation.

GRRM has always held that the first place you'll hear the book is finished will be on his blog... then a release date will follow once his editors get done with it.

hidinginthebush · 17-09-2014 4:26pm

I'm afraid to get my hopes up. I was doing a search during the week and everything I found seemed to indicate a 2016 release.

Mr Freeze · 18-09-2014 9:38am

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ugh, not what I was hoping for.

Godge · 22-12-2014 12:19pm

http://grrm.livejournal.com/395189.html

Update from Matin's site that is really not an update.

" Look, I've said before, and I will say again, I don't play games with news about the books. I know how many people are waiting, how long they have been waiting, how anxious they are. I am still working on WINDS. When it's done, I will announce it here. There won't be any clues to decipher, any codes or hidden meanings, the announcement will be straightforward and to the point. I won't time it to coincide with Xmas or Valentine's Day or Lincoln's Birthday, the book will not rise from the dead with Jesus on Easter Sunday. When it is done, I will say that's it is done, on whatever day I happen to finish."

Thargor · 31-12-2014 10:54pm

Did he say anything in 2014 about a possible release date? Its impossible to Google it because of all the blogspam.

hidinginthebush · 01-01-2015 5:49am

Thargor wrote: »

Did he say anything in 2014 about a possible release date? Its impossible to Google it because of all the blogspam.

He did some twelve days of Westeros tweets, then came out later to say, explicitly, they were not in any sense a cryptic message about release dates. When he knows, he'll tell us. The cynic in us might say if he spent more time wiring the book instead of these "fun" tweets, he wouldn't have to tweet these retractions in the first place, but maybe I'm just growing impatient, and honestly, concerned that the show will over take the books at the rate they are being written, if indeed they ever even get finished. I'm, personally, not a fan of the show. It dismisses a lot of the scope and subtleties of the books at the expense of tits and gore.

More info here:
http://m.christianpost.com/news/winds-of-winter-news-george-r-r-martin-takes-to-his-blog-to-clarify-books-rumored-release-date--131270/

TimeToShine · 01-01-2015 6:57am

Losing a lot of interest in this series to be honest. Was an avid reader of the forums/subreddit a few month ago but the lack of news is getting a bit ridiculous at this stage. AWOIAF really was the icing on the cake. I was fully accepting of the argument that GRRM is getting older and as a result wants to spend his time with family/friends/doing other things, but if he has time to write fodder like that (yes I've read it) then there really is no excuse.

feelgoodinc27 · 09-01-2015 2:50pm

hidinginthebush wrote: »

He did some twelve days of Westeros tweets, then came out later to say, explicitly, they were not in any sense a cryptic message about release dates. When he knows, he'll tell us. The cynic in us might say if he spent more time wiring the book instead of these "fun" tweets, he wouldn't have to tweet these retractions in the first place, but maybe I'm just growing impatient, and honestly, concerned that the show will over take the books at the rate they are being written, if indeed they ever even get finished. I'm, personally, not a fan of the show. It dismisses a lot of the scope and subtleties of the books at the expense of tits and gore.

More info here:
http://m.christianpost.com/news/winds-of-winter-news-george-r-r-martin-takes-to-his-blog-to-clarify-books-rumored-release-date--131270/

He had nothing to do with the tweets, he has official Twitter and Facebook accounts because of all the people claiming to be him, so the tweets were either the work of his publisher or HBO. The blog on his website is the only place he writes on the Internet.

John Mongo · 09-01-2015 7:15pm

I'm really getting wound up waiting for Winds of Winter to even get a release date.

Martin spends enough time telling us all about these projects he has coming out or is involved in, all these little trips he goes on and yet doesn't say a word about WoW to all the fans waiting for a book that has been years in the making while the latest season of GoT looms over their shoulder, where it is guaranteed to move into WoW territory.

It's absolute nonsense.

GerB40 · 09-01-2015 8:36pm

John Mongo wrote: »

I'm really getting wound up waiting for Winds of Winter to even get a release date.

Martin spends enough time telling us all about these projects he has coming out or is involved in, all these little trips he goes on and yet doesn't say a word about WoW to all the fans waiting for a book that has been years in the making while the latest season of GoT looms over their shoulder, where it is guaranteed to move into WoW territory.

It's absolute nonsense.

"Art isn't a democracy and should never be a democracy"-George RR Martin. He's the dictator over his work and no matter how much it annoys us, it's just the way it is...

hidinginthebush · 09-01-2015 9:10pm

I always preferred:

"George RR Martin is not your bitch" - David Gemell

GerB40 · 09-01-2015 9:16pm

hidinginthebush wrote: »

I always preferred:

"George RR Martin is not your bitch" - David Gemell

I never heard that one, it's much better...

hidinginthebush · 09-01-2015 9:34pm

GerB40 wrote: »

I never heard that one, it's much better...

Turns out it was Neil Gaiman. Either way, a great quote

RobbingBandit · 10-01-2015 12:46am

South Park got it spot on with him conducting the wiener choir, he does daft pointless projects to do with Westeros rather than finishing the core text/story itself, how long after The Winds of Winter will we be waiting for the last book A Dream of Spring.

11-01-2015 1:59am

iv more or less forgotten about the series when news comes out (real official news) as to a release date i will reread the older books until then i found best bet is to ignore everything or just go read other finished series

Kunkka · 14-01-2015 2:56pm

Why the **** didn't Ned demand a trial by combat!?!

Mickeroo · 14-01-2015 2:59pm

Kunkka wrote: »

Why the **** didn't Ned demand a trial by combat!?!

He had confessed thinking he was going to the wall and saving his family, you only declare trial by combat if you think the verdict on your guilt is wrong. That's my understanding anyway.

Kunkka · 14-01-2015 3:43pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

He had confessed thinking he was going to the wall and saving his family, you only declare trial by combat if you think the verdict on your guilt is wrong. That's my understanding anyway.

I seen it on another forum and hadn't seen it suggested before but even before his admittance of guilt it is strange he didn't go for that option!

TimeToShine · 14-01-2015 3:45pm

Kunkka wrote: »

I seen it on another forum and hadn't seen it suggested before but even before his admittance of guilt it is strange he didn't go for that option!

If he did that Sansa and Arya were doomed. All he did was for their safety. Also, he fully expected to be let go - he knew that being kept alive would have been of strategic benefit to the Lannisters. All that went wrong was Joffrey being an idiot, something nobody saw coming (including Varys).

podgemonster · 14-01-2015 5:57pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

If he did that Sansa and Arya were doomed. All he did was for their safety. Also, he fully expected to be let go, he knew that being kept alive would have been of strategic benefit to the Lannisters, all that went wrong was Joffrey being influenced by LittleFinger, something nobody saw coming (including Varys).

FYP

TimeToShine · 14-01-2015 7:42pm

podgemonster wrote: »

FYP

Didn't think of it that way. To be honest it makes his master plan just that little bit more lucky than intricate. I don't remember LF explicitly planting the idea, he must have a great read on people if he expected that to happen.

GerB40 · 14-01-2015 8:06pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

Didn't think of it that way. To be honest it makes his master plan just that little bit more lucky than intricate. I don't remember LF explicitly planting the idea, he must have a great read on people if he expected that to happen.

Remember, chaos is a ladder.. Littlefinger is a genius who definitely, without a shadow of a doubt, has a great read on people. After my third reread I came to the conclusion that he is probably the smartest, most conniving person in Westeros who wields power and influence. Like Charles Haughey in many ways

Varys though, still hasn't implicitly shown his full, long term intensions. Well he did in ways but it's impossible to know what he's really at.

Until we know more about what Varys really wants, Littlefinger will (in my opinion) be the master of his own destiny. But as some lad said ages ago "Pride cometh before the fall".

Jack Skellington · 14-01-2015 8:55pm

That's what I like about Varys, I'd describe him as an antihero but you can never be quite sure.

From the readers pov it's obvious littlefinger is out for himself and I do believe Varys when he talks about doing whats best for the realm, that part comes across as genuine especially in the tv series.

I hope there's a lot more of him in wow.

GerB40 · 14-01-2015 9:24pm

Well I think it's safe to say that Varys is Targaryen loyalist so with Daenerys' return to Westeros (which has to happen in TWOW) we should find out what Varys' masterplan is. Though he is one fúcker of an enigma...

My prediction is that Littlefinger, being too smart for his own good, won't makes it to the end of TWOW and with that problem out of the way Varys will prosper. The whole "Daenerys Targaryen coming back to reclaim her rightful throne" will place Varys in a position he's waited years for and Dany (after she finds out about his relationship with Illirio) should take him on as an advisor of sorts. And with a Targ supporter as influential as Varys united with Dany, all the pieces of this fúcked up puzzle that is ASoIaF will start coming together..

I realise there's a LOT of wishful thinking in that but who the fúck knows other than the big man himself..

Mr.Prodston · 14-01-2015 9:30pm

What are the latest guesses for the book actually being released?

Does anyone know how long it was between when ADWD being announced and actually being released? A 2015 release is looking rather too hopeful now!

Mickeroo · 14-01-2015 9:36pm

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Does anyone know how long it was between when ADWD being announced and actually being released? A 2015 release is looking rather too hopeful now!

Six years I believe.

Mr.Prodston · 14-01-2015 9:38pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Six years I believe.

No I mean the actual announcement that the book will be on sale on such a day. I assume a number of months?

Mickeroo · 14-01-2015 9:40pm

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

No I mean the actual announcement that the book will be on sale on such a day. I assume a number of months?

Oh sorry I get you now, though he did say in the note at the back of AFFC it would be out a year after that :P

Mr.Prodston · 14-01-2015 9:44pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Oh sorry I get you now, though he did say in the note at the back of AFFC it would be out a year after that :P

Of course he did :pac:

GerB40 · 15-01-2015 12:23am

I thought the question was how long before the release date for the book was announced and the book hittin the shelves. Does anyone know that by any chance?

hidinginthebush · 15-01-2015 4:20am

On 3rd of March 2011, it was announced on GRRM's blog that ADWD will be hitting the shelves on 12th of July , 2011.

Paddy Cow · 15-01-2015 1:29pm

GerB40 wrote: »

Well I think it's safe to say that Varys is Targaryen loyalist so with Daenerys' return to Westeros (which has to happen in TWOW) we should find out what Varys' masterplan is. Though he is one fúcker of an enigma...

Dany was expected to die with the Dothraki and Visery's would never have been allowed to be a serious contender to the throne. Maybe Varys plans on incorporating Dany into his masterplan now but I think he planned to get her out of the way in the beginning.

FunLover18 · 15-01-2015 1:44pm

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Dany was expected to die with the Dothraki and Visery's would never have been allowed to be a serious contender to the throne. Maybe Varys plans on incorporating Dany into his masterplan now but I think he planned to get her out of the way in the beginning.

Was Varys not party to plan to marry Quentyn to Dany?

podgemonster · 15-01-2015 2:45pm

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Dany was expected to die with the Dothraki and Visery's would never have been allowed to be a serious contender to the throne. Maybe Varys plans on incorporating Dany into his masterplan now but I think he planned to get her out of the way in the beginning.

I think Varys has split his bets Targareyn wise and has invested in both Dany and Aegon. He bundled Aegon out of Kings Landing when it was being sack and sent Griff with him to tutor, train and protect him. Surrounding him in the Golden company. Aegon has been bred to be a new King.

Iilyrio (working with Varys) protected and funded Viserys and Dany and provided Dany with Dragons Eggs and Ser Jorah. Saying that I don't think they expect anything to happen other than Viscerys to be killed and Dany forever across the Narrow Sea with the Horse Lord who will refuse to cross water.

Instead Dragons happened and immediately Jorah tries to get her back to Asshai and back to Illyrio (possibly to unite her with Aegon) but instead she began conquering Slave cities and Tyrion manipulated Aegon to head to Westoros.

I don't think Varys plan or Littlefinger plan are fully complete. I love the respect they have each other and the awarness of how much a threat the other one is. A great dynamic!

5starpool · 15-01-2015 5:40pm

hidinginthebush wrote: »

On 3rd of March 2011, it was announced on GRRM's blog that ADWD will be hitting the shelves on 12th of July , 2011.

It seems much longer than 3.5 years since that was released. I suppose coupled with the near 6 year was for ADWD it rightly feels like a long time.

George must be using Westeros season lengths to decide writing time for books "I'll write this one over the summer, it'll be grand". The children of summer know no different, etc, etc.

Brian? · 18-01-2015 12:34am

Kunkka wrote: »

Why the **** didn't Ned demand a trial by combat!?!

Because the Mountain would have chopped him to very small pieces for a start.

Also, yeah, he agreed to be sent to the Wall and for his family to keep everything.

RobbingBandit · 18-01-2015 12:49am

Ned was a Pacifist, he used Ice for ceremonial executions, he let Robert kill Rhaegar rather than do it himself, he didn't cut Jamie down from the Iron Throne when he found him upon it, he also didn't kill Aerys the man that murdered both his father and brother, need I go on...

FunLover18 · 18-01-2015 1:51am

RobbingBandit wrote:

Ned was a Pacifist, he used Ice for ceremonial executions, he let Robert kill Rhaegar rather than do it himself, he didn't cut Jamie down from the Iron Throne when he found him upon it, he also didn't kill Aerys the man that murdered both his father and brother, need I go on...

I see where you're coming from, he has a code of honour, but he did actually fight in the war and kill people. Definitely NOT a pacifist.

TimeToShine · 18-01-2015 2:46am

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Ned was a Pacifist, he used Ice for ceremonial executions, he let Robert kill Rhaegar rather than do it himself, he didn't cut Jamie down from the Iron Throne when he found him upon it, he also didn't kill Aerys the man that murdered both his father and brother, need I go on...

Ned couldn't have killed Rhaegar even if he tried. As for Jaime, he turned up and Jaime said he was keeping it warm, he didn't really have grounds to attack. You have to bear alliances in mind, killing him would have been stupid.

Agree with the above in that he had a code and sticks to it, but calling him a pacifist is extreme.

December2012 · 18-01-2015 7:53am

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Ned was a Pacifist, he used Ice for ceremonial executions, he let Robert kill Rhaegar rather than do it himself, he didn't cut Jamie down from the Iron Throne when he found him upon it, he also didn't kill Aerys the man that murdered both his father and brother, need I go on...

Hi didn't fight rhaegar in the trident, and aerys was already dead when he got to Kings Landing.

Thargor · 18-01-2015 4:28pm

And killing Tywin Lannisters heir (except for the small detail that Jamie would have cut him to pieces) with the Lannister army sacking the city outside the door?

Tom.D.BJJ · 19-01-2015 1:08pm

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Ned was a Pacifist, he used Ice for ceremonial executions, he let Robert kill Rhaegar rather than do it himself, he didn't cut Jamie down from the Iron Throne when he found him upon it, he also didn't kill Aerys the man that murdered both his father and brother, need I go on...

You know nothing, RobbingBandit.

podgemonster · 19-01-2015 3:21pm

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Ned was a Pacifist, he used Ice for ceremonial executions, he let Robert kill Rhaegar rather than do it himself, he didn't cut Jamie down from the Iron Throne when he found him upon it, he also didn't kill Aerys the man that murdered both his father and brother, need I go on...

He used Ice when he thought it was right, when it was his duty. Following the murder of his father and brother, he joined Robert and won the Battle of Gulltown. He also defeated Jon Connington in the Battle of the Bells while Robert was injured. It wasn't Eddard's fight to take on Rhaegar, it was Roberts War and Robert should be the one to kill the Dragon, Ned was still there fighting.

Ned arrived late to the sack of King's Landing, there was little fighting to do. The Lannisters were allies now and Ned recognized that. Taking on Jaime would have caused more bloodshed and Ned was more focused on getting his sister back. Following that Ned and Six other men then went to the Tower of Joy to take on the 3 remaining members of the Kingsguard and defeated them.

Ned later co-lead the main battle in the Greyjoy rebellion at Pyke where Robert and him defeated Balon Greyjoy.

No pacifist could control the entire North with such respect and honour. Ned does often try to avoid bloodshed when it is unnecessary (opposed the murder of Dany, lifted the siege on Storms End without bloodshed).

Not having the bloodlust of Robert or the ruthlessness of Tywin doesn't not translate into a pacifist.

He was however a traitor to his Grace, King Joffery (RIP) and deserved to die :pac::pac::pac::pac:

spiralism · 30-01-2015 4:32pm

Kunkka wrote: »

Why the **** didn't Ned demand a trial by combat!?!

For one, he was crippled. Everyone seems to forget that he was walking with a cane after Jaime attacked him. Makes it all the crueler that Joffrey demanded him to kneel - he couldn't even bend his knee if he wanted to.

RobbingBandit wrote: »

South Park got it spot on with him conducting the wiener choir, he does daft pointless projects to do with Westeros rather than finishing the core text/story itself, how long after The Winds of Winter will we be waiting for the last book A Dream of Spring.

Forever, he's not going to live that long at the rate he's going.

Thargor · 30-01-2015 7:01pm

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/30/george-rr-martin-the-winds-of-winter-publication

Nothing will be published in 2015 apart from more illustrated crap. Sigh.

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 30-01-2015 7:03pm

Don't want to restart the "it's his book" debate but jesus I wish he'd get the finger out.

Mr.Prodston · 30-01-2015 7:05pm

Thargor wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/30/george-rr-martin-the-winds-of-winter-publication

Nothing will be published in 2015 apart from more illustrated crap. Sigh.

It's not encouraging news but he's always maintained that when he knows it's finished everyone else will. That's what I'm telling myself anyway to keep me sane

hidinginthebush · 30-01-2015 7:07pm

One of the main reasons I want him to get the books done is I don't want to have to suffer the tv show to get closure. Book readers will agree that most the side-plots already don't, and subsequently won't get enough attention in the show. Those that do are handled badly or simply glossed over.

Mickeroo · 30-01-2015 7:22pm

hidinginthebush wrote: »

One of the main reasons I want him to get the books done is I don't want to have to suffer the tv show to get closure. Book readers will agree that most the side-plots already don't, and subsequently won't get enough attention in the show. Those that do are handled badly or simply glossed over.

Personally think that's one of the reason the show is better overall.

TimeToShine · 30-01-2015 7:35pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Personally think that's one of the reason the show is better overall.

In a way yes but it ruins the books so the overall impact is certainly not a good one. As it stands we don't really know which arcs are side stories and which are pivotal to the end game - the show will ruin that.

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