The Winds of Winter (Book 6 Discussion) **SPOILERS for all books & future books**

hidinginthebush wrote: »

I always preferred:

"George RR Martin is not your bitch" - David Gemell

I never heard that one, it's much better...

South Park got it spot on with him conducting the wiener choir, he does daft pointless projects to do with Westeros rather than finishing the core text/story itself, how long after The Winds of Winter will we be waiting for the last book A Dream of Spring.

Why the **** didn't Ned demand a trial by combat!?!

Mickeroo wrote: »

He had confessed thinking he was going to the wall and saving his family, you only declare trial by combat if you think the verdict on your guilt is wrong. That's my understanding anyway.

I seen it on another forum and hadn't seen it suggested before but even before his admittance of guilt it is strange he didn't go for that option!

TimeToShine wrote: »

If he did that Sansa and Arya were doomed. All he did was for their safety. Also, he fully expected to be let go, he knew that being kept alive would have been of strategic benefit to the Lannisters, all that went wrong was Joffrey being influenced by LittleFinger, something nobody saw coming (including Varys).

FYP

TimeToShine wrote: »

Didn't think of it that way. To be honest it makes his master plan just that little bit more lucky than intricate. I don't remember LF explicitly planting the idea, he must have a great read on people if he expected that to happen.

Remember, chaos is a ladder.. Littlefinger is a genius who definitely, without a shadow of a doubt, has a great read on people. After my third reread I came to the conclusion that he is probably the smartest, most conniving person in Westeros who wields power and influence. Like Charles Haughey in many ways

Varys though, still hasn't implicitly shown his full, long term intensions. Well he did in ways but it's impossible to know what he's really at.

Until we know more about what Varys really wants, Littlefinger will (in my opinion) be the master of his own destiny. But as some lad said ages ago "Pride cometh before the fall".

Well I think it's safe to say that Varys is Targaryen loyalist so with Daenerys' return to Westeros (which has to happen in TWOW) we should find out what Varys' masterplan is. Though he is one fúcker of an enigma...

My prediction is that Littlefinger, being too smart for his own good, won't makes it to the end of TWOW and with that problem out of the way Varys will prosper. The whole "Daenerys Targaryen coming back to reclaim her rightful throne" will place Varys in a position he's waited years for and Dany (after she finds out about his relationship with Illirio) should take him on as an advisor of sorts. And with a Targ supporter as influential as Varys united with Dany, all the pieces of this fúcked up puzzle that is ASoIaF will start coming together..

I realise there's a LOT of wishful thinking in that but who the fúck knows other than the big man himself..

I thought the question was how long before the release date for the book was announced and the book hittin the shelves. Does anyone know that by any chance?

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Dany was expected to die with the Dothraki and Visery's would never have been allowed to be a serious contender to the throne. Maybe Varys plans on incorporating Dany into his masterplan now but I think he planned to get her out of the way in the beginning.

I think Varys has split his bets Targareyn wise and has invested in both Dany and Aegon. He bundled Aegon out of Kings Landing when it was being sack and sent Griff with him to tutor, train and protect him. Surrounding him in the Golden company. Aegon has been bred to be a new King.

Iilyrio (working with Varys) protected and funded Viserys and Dany and provided Dany with Dragons Eggs and Ser Jorah. Saying that I don't think they expect anything to happen other than Viscerys to be killed and Dany forever across the Narrow Sea with the Horse Lord who will refuse to cross water.

Instead Dragons happened and immediately Jorah tries to get her back to Asshai and back to Illyrio (possibly to unite her with Aegon) but instead she began conquering Slave cities and Tyrion manipulated Aegon to head to Westoros.

I don't think Varys plan or Littlefinger plan are fully complete. I love the respect they have each other and the awarness of how much a threat the other one is. A great dynamic!

RobbingBandit wrote:

Ned was a Pacifist, he used Ice for ceremonial executions, he let Robert kill Rhaegar rather than do it himself, he didn't cut Jamie down from the Iron Throne when he found him upon it, he also didn't kill Aerys the man that murdered both his father and brother, need I go on...

I see where you're coming from, he has a code of honour, but he did actually fight in the war and kill people. Definitely NOT a pacifist.

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Ned was a Pacifist, he used Ice for ceremonial executions, he let Robert kill Rhaegar rather than do it himself, he didn't cut Jamie down from the Iron Throne when he found him upon it, he also didn't kill Aerys the man that murdered both his father and brother, need I go on...

Hi didn't fight rhaegar in the trident, and aerys was already dead when he got to Kings Landing.