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M11 - Arklow to Rathnew

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  • #752
    road_high
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    I certainly hope they don't think that motorways must be built in a county just because a neighbouring county has one!

    Some people do. They look at the M9 through kilkenny Carlow and want the same for Wexford! Counties should be abolished ....


  • #753
    serfboard
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    road_high wrote: »
    Some people do. They look at the M9 through kilkenny Carlow and want the same for Wexford! Counties should be abolished ....
    The usual political rules apply though ... :rolleyes:

    The way it should be done (IMO): Take the NRA list of projects outstanding and apply the following filters:

    1. CBA - which projects will benefit the most number of vehicles with the lowest cost per vehicle (hence M50 work, with its 130K vehicles on some days is easy to justify)

    2. Safety benefits - which projects will bypass stretches of road which are most dangerous (and in this case Arklow->Rathnew definitely qualifies, being fairly high up on the list for bad crashes)

    3. External Funding available - either from EIB or through PPP. With the former - sorry people of Wexford, but the BMW region wins here because we can get funding 'cos (Europe thinks) we're so poor :p - hence M18 and M17 being built before the M20.

    After all these, then, so long as its on the NRAs list, let the local politicians lobby like hell!


  • #754
    road_high
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    Agree with all except the last point; the BMW region vs the south/east region argument is inaccurate in many instances; take Co. Wexford and Galway. Galway is supposedly "poorer" by virtue of it's location. Not the case, all the key economic indicators have pointed to Wexford (and other south-east counties) as being some of the poorest in the country. Lower average incomes, lower 3rd lever attainment and lower levels of FDI.

    But take your point if we can get some more EU funding take it and run, regardless of where in the country!

    P.S Just re-read your post, you weren't making an argument just stating a fact!


  • #755
    fred funk }{
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    Anyone know what those two concrete huts are that they built in between Jack Whites and the Topaz garage?


  • #756
    lottpaul
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    Friend who lives near there says they are pump houses for wells/water supply to the houses on that stretch of the road. Seems their supply before this came from wells that will be under the new road when its completed.


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  • #757
    Carawaystick
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    jd, in the m17/18 thread mentions correspondence regarding the coillte access,
    It will be from the existing road, not from the new mainline which is being built to hqdc standard,
    Which suggests the route will be motorway from the get go

    Can't link to the post, as on mobile sire, will do later, in this post


  • #758
    spacetweek
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    Carawaystick wrote: »
    It will be from the existing road, not from the new mainline which is being built to hqdc standard,
    Which suggests the route will be motorway from the get go
    That's true about the access, but there is as yet no plan to declare this a motorway. However I am confident this will happen by Autumn 2015 before the opening. If not ,they will have to put up green dual carriageway signs only to remove all of them and replace with blue and white.


  • #759
    spacetweek
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    Pics as I rolled through this today. Fairly easy to get pics as the new road is being built parallel to the old one. Not as much progress visible as I'd expected.


  • #760
    Chris_5339762
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    Those bridges have appeared in the last month. Plenty progress I'd say! Probably hard to work as the whole site will be a bog at this stage.


  • #761
    JupiterKid
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    Great pics Spacetweek.

    It looks like a bridge that will carry the new M11 over the existing road is making good progress. Doesn't look like the earthworks will involve much - if any - rock blasting/cutting.


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  • #762
    spacetweek
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Great pics Spacetweek.

    It looks like a bridge that will carry the new M11 over the existing road is making good progress. Doesn't look like the earthworks will involve much - if any - rock blasting/cutting.
    Thanks.
    Easy enough road to build, only one new junction and nearly the whole thing is alongside the existing road through fields that have been fenced off for years.


  • #763
    L1011
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    Quite a lot of earthworks and the existing road needs to be moved in some cases.


  • #764
    Middle Man
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    Thanks.
    Easy enough road to build, only one new junction and nearly the whole thing is alongside the existing road through fields that have been fenced off for years.

    No, there are two new interchanges proposed - one at the Beehive and one at Jack White's.


  • #765
    Carawaystick
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    Thanks.
    Easy enough road to build, only two new junctions and nearly the whole thing is alongside the existing road through fields that have been bought by us & fenced off for years.

    Fixed yer post :)


  • #766
    spacetweek
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    Middle Man wrote: »
    No, there are two new interchanges proposed - one at the Beehive and one at Jack White's.
    Which one did I get a photo of? Didn't see any work on a second one.


  • #767
    jd
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    Which one did I get a photo of? Didn't see any work on a second one.

    That's the bridge near Lil Doyles, I think.
    Road Works and Closures

    Roads Affected Current Road Work Details
    N11 Wicklow County Council hereby gives notice that the following public road will be closed from 6.00 a.m. on Wednesday the 22nd of January, 2014, until 6.00 am on Thursday, the 3rd of April 2014
    Roads to be closed: The L5664 (Kilbride Road) from its junction with N11 at Lil Doyle’s for a distance of 100 metres.
    Alternative Route:
    Diversion Route One: Eastbound traffic from the N11 should divert at L5159-0 (Dunganstown road) to its junction with the L5157 and on to the L5664
    Diversion Route One: Westbound traffic to the N11 from the Dunganstown and Kilbride Area should divert along the L 5157-0 to its junction with the L5159-0 and on to the N11 at The Tap area.
    This road closure is necessary in order to facilitate the construction of the Bridge Structure No. 4 and other works associated with the N11 Rathnew to Arklow Road Improvement Scheme Public Private Partnership.


  • #768
    serfboard
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    Which one did I get a photo of?
    I don't think your photo is of either of the interchanges, both of which are offline - I think your photo is of one of the bridges on the scheme.

    BTW, someone has very kindly put the scheme design on OpenStreetMap.


  • #769
    PoolDude
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    I'm surprised that only on flyover bridge has started aren't there a few more further down from the existing one around the bend from the petrol station and another one after Jack Whites and before the current DC starts?

    Given the settling in period I would have thought they would be working on all bridges. That said the one they have put in went up quickly.


  • #770
    Carawaystick
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    The bridge at Lil Doyles seems very different to the bridges on the Arklow bypass, which have abutments of mass concrete and sloping fill.

    I realise the current road is being built up above the existing road, but the hexagonal concrete panels of 50 or 60 mm thick seem not up to the job of containing the fill behind. seems to be ( from the existing road to be bridged over), a wall of hexagonal panels, blue gravel packed down, and another thin wall, to be backed up with an earthen ramp for the new road to go on top of.


  • #771
    Davy
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    Carawaystick wrote: »
    The bridge at Lil Doyles seems very different to the bridges on the Arklow bypass, which have abutments of mass concrete and sloping fill.

    I realise the current road is being built up above the existing road, but the hexagonal concrete panels of 50 or 60 mm thick seem not up to the job of containing the fill behind. seems to be ( from the existing road to be bridged over), a wall of hexagonal panels, blue gravel packed down, and another thin wall, to be backed up with an earthen ramp for the new road to go on top of.

    Said bridge has half on the cross beams in place since last night, with the remaining going in tonight.

    Other bridges aren't at that stage yet


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  • #772
    jd
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    Davy wrote: »
    Said bridge has half on the cross beams in place since last night, with the remaining going in tonight.

    Other bridges aren't at that stage yet

    Yip drove down this morning
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  • #773
    Geogregor
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    Thanks jd

    Once the weather improves in spring maybe some brave local would present some more photos of the construction.

    It is strangely quiet in this thread, considering it is quite close to Dublin.


  • #774
    vickers209
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    Geogregor wrote: »
    Thanks jd

    Once the weather improves in spring maybe some brave local would present some more photos of the construction.

    It is strangely quiet in this thread, considering it is quite close to Dublin.

    There not much more happening yet main thing so far is just the bridge above at barndarrig


  • #775
    jd
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    I think there is some work going on beside "the bends". Not stopping there to find out!


  • #776
    spacetweek
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    Geogregor wrote: »
    Thanks jd

    Once the weather improves in spring maybe some brave local would present some more photos of the construction.

    It is strangely quiet in this thread, considering it is quite close to Dublin.
    As I drove through I found the existing road often quite narrow, it's not that easy to take piccies and as someone said many parts just have the site levelled and there isn't much to look at.


  • #777
    Davy
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    vickers209 wrote: »
    There not much more happening yet main thing so far is just the bridge above at barndarrig

    Their is two other similar bridges directly north of lil Doyle's behind theTap but slightly behind.

    The one at lil Doyle's has the remaining Beams in place.


  • #778
    BigMoose
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    Other than that bridge, there's very little to see the length of it driving down the existing N11, nothing else photo worthy just yet. I'm amazed at how slow this project seems to be going.


  • #779
    Davy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,340 CMod ✭✭✭✭Davy


    BigMoose wrote: »
    Other than that bridge, there's very little to see the length of it driving down the existing N11, nothing else photo worthy just yet. I'm amazed at how slow this project seems to be going.

    One of the bridges behind theTap now has cross beams in place.


  • #780
    jd
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    There is an article in the Wexford People about the work on the N/M11, it should be online later on this week.
    It says Applegreen at Cullenmore should be open in June, with the North of Gorey Service Station open early 2015. August 2015 for Rathnew-Arklow section. "There have been difficulties with the bad weather...as we go into the summer, we expect the contractor will make up the time lost.." said Sean O'Neill of the NRA.

    The article also mentioned that much of the work under way is site clearance under the supervision of an ecologist!


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  • #781
    fred funk }{
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    Seems to be a big push on over the past few weeks. All time and effort going into the bridges.


  • #782
    road_high
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    fred funk }{ wrote: »
    Seems to be a big push on over the past few weeks. All time and effort going into the bridges.

    Over that way last week and was thinking the same. Taking shape now and a lot of staff working on it.


  • #783
    BigMoose
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    Drove past Lil Doyle's at 10pm last night and they were on the bridge working away which was good to see.


  • #784
    tylercheribini
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    Said in local paper "Wicklow People", NRA chief was expecting them to make up lost time due to torrential weather. I also notice signs that previously stated finish date of 2015 have been covered up.


  • #785
    slickmcvic
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    Seems to have shifted up a gear today,
    3 moxys & a dozer across from the beehive & ramps taking shape at lil doyles.
    Mondays always seem flat out on site,very quiet looking come 3pm Friday though!


  • #786
    fred funk }{
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    Noticed today they've started bulldozing up around The Beehive and you can see the shape of the road.


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  • #787
    fred funk }{
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    It's amazing how much work a couple of bulldozers can do a few days. They've really changed the landscape around The Beehive end.


  • #788
    vickers209
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    Was at loose end today got few pictures

    Notice red posts
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    Some of equipment at the beehive
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    Earthwork at beehive
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    Bridge being erected heading towards the tap from old sm morris depot:
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    Bridge At lil doyles
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  • #789
    vickers209
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    Bridge over ballard lower:
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    Also at Gorey service station i notice they have covered over the pull-in area heading northbound
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    Noticed the foundations at the bridge below the garage site the are being installed too extend the size of current bridge
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    Anyone notice concrete bases being installed in certain areas one being at the start of arklow bypass looks like a base for the VMS signs used on the m50


  • #790
    Geogregor
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    Thanks for photos.
    It looks less advanced than I was hoping for.


  • #791
    spacetweek
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    Geogregor wrote: »
    Thanks for photos.
    It looks less advanced than I was hoping for.
    Yes i'm also surprised at how the earth embankments still aren't created along many sections.


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  • #792
    Poochie05
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    They are also putting in emergency phones along the Arklow to Gorey stretch. That's what the concrete platforms seem to be for.


  • #793
    fred funk }{
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    spacetweek wrote: »
    Yes i'm also surprised at how the earth embankments still aren't created along many sections.

    They seem to be concentrating on the bridges/flyovers and when they're done you'll see a rapid progression on the road itself.


  • #794
    VR6
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    Any updates anyone ? New photos ?

    It's been a month since the last update so presumably there has been some progress ?


  • #795
    BigMoose
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    They have still been working on bridges etc. The one opposite lil doyles is done with the road open again under it. They had stop/go with one lane again the other week under the one over the existing N11. They were either laying drainage or doing something to the foot path. Seem to have finished that when I went passed over the weekend.

    You can see some earth works starting near the bends. Will try and take photos when I'm next passing, but mostly I'm the one driving.


  • #796
    Scotia Major
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    Any new updates?
    Contractor seems to be dragging this out to be fair. Is there a projected timeframe for completion of this road?


  • #797
    Scotia Major
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    ...because the 2015 timeframe is definitely not going to happen at this stage.


  • #798
    iopener
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    So the road won't be finished by my mate's wedding down in gorey August 2015 ? The last time I went down to wexford there was a terrible crash at the end north bound arklow bypass where the road goes from a two lanes to one, a car went unto a Tesco artic lorry I think one fella was decapitated and then there was another accident on the local coast road so was stuck at Jack whites for 3 hours.they can't finish this road quick enough.


  • #799
    iopener
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    So the road won't be finished by my mate's wedding down in gorey August 2015 ? The last time I went down to wexford there was a terrible crash at the end north bound arklow bypass where the road goes from a two lanes to one, a car went unto a Tesco artic lorry I think one fella was decapitated and then there was another accident on the local coast road so was stuck at Jack whites for 3 hours.they can't finish this road quick enough.


  • #800
    vickers209
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    N11 Update
    Section A – N11 Arklow/Rathnew

    Traffic Management Updates

    TM Requirements for May 2014:



    Section A – New Construction on the N11 Arklow to Rathnew

    Str 5 Installation of Precast Parapets – Night Works Stop & Go – 30th April & 1st May 2014
    Str 7 Installation of Beams – Complete in daytime under Stop & Go – 12th and 13th May 2014
    Kilboy Road Closure to remain in place until 1st May 2014.



    Section B – This is the Upgrade Works on the N11/M11

    – This runs from approx. Arklow Rugby Club to approx. 2kms North of Clogh roundabout

    Multiple Lane 1, Lane 2 & hard shoulder closures on the northbound and southbound carriageways through Gorey Section – Drainage Repairs



    Section C – Gorey Service Station

    Hard Shoulder Closure on North-bound and South-bound M11 throughout May 2014
    Beam Installation – M11 Road Closure required between J21 and J22 – old N11 used as detour.
    Beams – Week Commencing 9th June 2014 – 2 nights
    Parapets – Week Commencing 16th June 2014 – 2 nights
    Removal of Support System – Week Commencing 14th July 2014 – 2 nights
    Rising Main works on Coolgreary Road to commence in mid-July 2014.



    Operational & Maintenance Contract

    – This runs from approx. Arklow Rugby Club to approx. 2kms North of Clogh roundabout

    Multiple Lane 1, Lane 2 & hard shoulder closures on the northbound and southbound carriageways through Arklow Section – Topping up Filter Drain & Landscaping
    rolling lane closures – landscaping works i.e. grass cutting


    The new dual carriageway will be constructed over a period of 28 months with an expected completion date of August 2015.

    http://www.n7n11.ie/n11-update/


  • #801
    prunudo
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    "The new dual carriageway will be constructed over a period of 28 months with an expected completion date of August 2015."

    I drove south as far as Lil Doyle's on Saturday, I'm still amazed by the lack of earthworks, there's no real shape that I can make out.
    To have it open in 16 months seems like a massive task.


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