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RTE 2 Broadcasting in HD now

  • 27-05-2011 10:49am
    #1
    Gipo3
    Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭


    RTE 2 now broadcasting in HD, HD dog on screen.


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  • #2
    Gipo3
    Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Gipo3


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  • #3
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,527 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Gipo3 wrote: »
    RTE 2 now broadcasting in HD, HD dog on screen.

    i thought it was up scaled to HD


  • #4
    Gipo3
    Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Gipo3


    HD logo means true HD.


  • #5
    JDxtra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    Maybe they are testing. I doubt Noddy was shot in HD.


  • #6
    Minstrel27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    I'd be surprised if the newer episodes weren't. The Noddy of today looks very different to the Noddy of my youth.


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  • #7
    fat-tony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    They are playing with the aspect ratio also - aren't cartoons great:D


  • #8
    gavmcg92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,317 ✭✭✭gavmcg92


    Is this a separate digital channel like "Sky1 HD" or is it the normal RTE2 channel (102 UPC)


  • #9
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Simulcast in SD on the former test channel, now RTEjr. No doubt in the afternoon the RTEjr repeats this morning.

    http://www.techtir.ie/blogs/watty/rtehd-rtejr-launch


  • #10
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    It's ordinary rte2 on saorview only.

    Are transparent small dogs much more expensive or what??!!

    Thats as equal an eyesore as the ordinary dog..in fact it's worse.


  • #11
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    gavmcg92 wrote: »
    Is this a separate digital channel like "Sky1 HD" or is it the normal RTE2 channel (102 UPC)

    yes and no.

    Saorview is the Digital replacement of Analogue TV in Ireland. Because it's a newer system than Sky, UPC or UK Freeview, the "entry level" is same as "Freeview HD", "Freesat HD", "sky HD" and "UPC HD".

    So there is no separate HD an SD channels. RTE2 is HD transmission even when non-HD content. In the next few years TV3, TG4 and RTE1 will go HD transmission. There will be no simultaneous non-HD version.

    Adaptor set-boxes down convert the HD to SCART for old Tellys. Newer TVs use HD over HDMI and the newest TVs work direct off aerial with no setbox.

    Official Site www.saorview.ie
    Unofficial www.saortv.info (covers UK Free TV also)


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  • #12
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    gavmcg92 wrote: »
    Is this a separate digital channel like "Sky1 HD" or is it the normal RTE2 channel (102 UPC)
    Technically, it's the same channel as on UPC 102, however UPC are only transmitting RTE2 in SD because they are not receiving the HD feed from RTE.

    In order to carry RTE2 HD, UPC will have to assign it to another channel to accommodate their non-HD customers as the non-HD consumer boxes are not capable of receiving/downscaling HD feeds.

    At present, it's only available to people on Saorview using either a set-top box or a Saorview compatible TV.


  • #13
    darth_maul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭darth_maul


    hope they fix the aspect ratio on it,

    also RTE1 +1 is now showing in the scanning screen but not displaying on the EPG only RTE jnr


  • #14
    fat-tony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    This is the first indication that they can/will change the aspect ratio on the HD channel. Up to now every programme was broadcast in 16:9, even 4:3 cartoons like the Simpsons. Hopefully now they will broadcast each programme in its correct aspect ratio.


  • #15
    currandes
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭currandes


    I bought a set of cat's ears for my tv in Lidl's. does anybody have these cat's ears and can they be used for saorview?


  • #16
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Give them to a poor cat.

    Unless your TV room window is in view of Transmitter mast it's very unreliable.

    About Aerials for Saorview
    http://www.techtir.ie/radio-tv/uhf-aerials

    Coverage of DTT / Saorview
    http://coverage.rtenl.ie/RTENLcoveragechecker.php

    http://maps.techtir.com/ireland-dtt.htm

    Those Lidl ones are no better than €2 aerial. Most people need a roof aerial. Some can use an attic aerial.

    A proportion of people can use an indoor aerial. If the signal is good enough for reliable indoor reception then nearly any indoor aerial works.


  • #17
    Mayo Exile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Mayo Exile


    fat-tony wrote: »
    This is the first indication that they can/will change the aspect ratio on the HD channel. Up to now every programme was broadcast in 16:9, even 4:3 cartoons like the Simpsons. Hopefully now they will broadcast each programme in its correct aspect ratio.

    Good to see this. CH4 HD correctly formats 4:3 material like the Simpsons within the 16:9 frame.


  • #18
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    currandes wrote: »
    I bought a set of cat's ears for my tv in Lidl's. does anybody have these cat's ears and can they be used for saorview?
    If your TV is Saorview compliant, then effectively any kind of aerial will work.


  • #19
    sesswhat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭sesswhat


    seamus wrote: »
    If your TV is Saorview compliant, then effectively any kind of aerial will work.

    If only that were true:D


  • #20
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    OK, apologies, I say that from my comfy house in full view of the 3 rock transmitter where my €3 indoor aerial gives me rock solid HD content.


  • #21
    fat-tony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    Not everyone is in range of a powerful transmitter - most will require an attic or roof aerial.


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  • #22
    fat-tony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    Timmy Time is in HD;)


  • #23
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    seamus wrote: »
    OK, apologies, I say that from my comfy house in full view of the 3 rock transmitter where my €3 indoor aerial gives me rock solid HD content.

    Best signal for City dwellings in Ireland, but fewest number of terrestrial viewers. Annoying to people in Mayo, Cork, Sligo, Kerry, West Cork, Donegal that wanted TV3 (not at all in many cases) or TG4 (different aerial and poor or not all all).


  • #24
    seanp_25
    Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭seanp_25


    Sounds good. So the HD DOG is there, what the EPG info?

    Does this say whether something is real HD or upscaled SD? This was a requirement also.

    What about the DOG itself, is that upscaled? :D


  • #25
    Minstrel27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    Good to see that anything available is being shown in HD.


  • #26
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,989 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Minstrel27 wrote: »
    Good to see that anything available is being shown in HD.

    Some of it doesn't look that great to be honest.

    A lot to do with the quality of the original material, which is often then upscaled.


  • #27
    Mayo Exile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Mayo Exile


    Programme called "Waybuloo" on at the moment. It's in upscaled SD. DOG indicating HD.

    160711.jpg


  • #28
    bob11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭bob11


    Mayo Exile wrote: »
    Programme called "Waybuloo" on at the moment. It's in upscaled SD.

    How can you tell that it upscaled SD ?? Can you see from the stream info somewhere ?


  • #29
    fat-tony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    See my post #22. Everything else has been upscaled. Pity that they're leaving the HD logo on all the time. Maybe they will sort that out later?


  • #30
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Perhaps they are DOG testing... Or trying out their new playout system and forgot to put the HD DOG back in its kennel.

    You can only know if it's up-scaled if you know what the original is and can compare it. The Signal tells you nothing.

    It's complicated by fact RTE's upscale box is better than your own TV and that HD->SD -> Upscale -> HD is better than Sd->HD or than
    HD->SD NTSC/30 -> SD PAL/25 -> HD


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  • #31
    fat-tony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    bob11 wrote: »
    How can you tell that it upscaled SD ?? Can you see from the stream info somewhere ?
    Nothing in the stream - just the Mark I eyeball test;)
    If you can't tell, then either your TV is not HD, or not big enough or you're sitting too far away.l:D


  • #32
    Mayo Exile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Mayo Exile


    fat-tony wrote: »
    Nothing in the stream - just the Mark I eyeball test;)If you can't tell, then either your TV is not HD, or not big enough or you're sitting too far away.l:D

    Exactly! 32" screen from about 7 feet.


  • #33
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    See this thread for some simulated comparisons. Source is crop of 1920 x1080 test card http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056094972


  • #34
    watty
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    Mayo Exile wrote: »
    Exactly! 32" screen from about 7 feet.

    with Opera glasses?

    That's equivalent to a 26" 4:3 roughly, comparing height!


  • #35
    Mayo Exile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Mayo Exile


    watty wrote: »
    with Opera glasses?

    That's equivalent to a 26" 4:3 roughly, comparing height!

    Can't afford a bigger one at the moment watty! I'd be watching BBC1 HD, ITV HD etc a fair bit, so I'd be used to noticing the difference with the 32 inch screen.


  • #36
    bob11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭bob11


    fat-tony wrote: »
    Nothing in the stream - just the Mark I eyeball test;)
    If you can't tell, then either your TV is not HD, or not big enough or you're sitting too far away.l:D

    It must be my eyeballs then ..

    I have a 50" HD Tele and I'm finding it difficult to tell the difference between my Saorview RTE2 HD and my UPC RTE 2 ...

    On sport, I find it easier to tell the difference, but on cartoons, I can't see it :-)


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  • #37
    John mac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭John mac


    Waybuloo is filmed in HD.

    nok tok
    yojojo


  • #38
    lawhec
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭lawhec


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's ordinary rte2 on saorview only.

    Are transparent small dogs much more expensive or what??!!

    Thats as equal an eyesore as the ordinary dog..in fact it's worse.
    It's not too bad, the "HD" bit is small enough whereas some other channels which have a HD stream have a unique DOG which tells you its HD BY SCREAMING IT AT YOU IN BIG LETTERS!!

    To me, if you need to have a DOG, the BBC 1 HD DOG is the way to go.


  • #39
    fat-tony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    bob11 wrote: »
    It must be my eyeballs then ..

    I have a 50" HD Tele and I'm finding it difficult to tell the difference between my Saorview RTE2 HD and my UPC RTE 2 ...

    On sport, I find it easier to tell the difference, but on cartoons, I can't see it :-)
    Something wrong here for sure. On a 50" HD set you should be able to tell the difference. Does the Saorview reception come direct from the TV's internal tuner or an external box? If it was from an external box, then I would suggest you check the signal was coming from the HDMI lead (and not SCART) and was not being downscaled by a setting on the box. If it's from the TV's internal tuner, I can only suggest Specsavers:)


  • #40
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    watty wrote: »
    Perhaps they are DOG testing...

    Watty, are you suggesting that RTE are dogging?:D


  • #41
    Minstrel27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    There was a programme on about 20 minutes ago that was certainly not HD but had the HD DOG on screen.


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  • #42
    fat-tony
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,711 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    Minstrel27 wrote: »
    There was a programme on about 20 minutes ago that was certainly not HD but had the HD DOG on screen.
    Read back through the thread, Minstrel. Most (90+%) of the output is up-scaled ... they are trying to deceive us with their DOGgie:D


  • #43
    barnicles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭barnicles


    Maybe it's just my screen, but the programme on RTE Two right now looks HD, it's carrying the HD DOG also (although that could be permanent)


  • #44
    ladder
    Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭ladder


    it is pretty good alright there are a few different ways of getting it i have been looking at deals to get away from paying monthly bills but i also like the free to air channels that brodcast in HD who are the best companies doing the combo free to air and saorview ?


  • #45
    bob11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭bob11


    fat-tony wrote: »
    Something wrong here for sure. On a 50" HD set you should be able to tell the difference. Does the Saorview reception come direct from the TV's internal tuner or an external box? If it was from an external box, then I would suggest you check the signal was coming from the HDMI lead (and not SCART) and was not being downscaled by a setting on the box. If it's from the TV's internal tuner, I can only suggest Specsavers:)

    I am watching Saorview through the inbuilt Tuner on the TV. A Panasonic 50V10 ..
    By the way, I forgot to say that my UPC box is a HD box as well, so I believe that it upscales the channels as well, so would it be fair to say that an upscaled RTE2 on UPC HD would be much the same as an Upscaled RTE2 HD on Saorview ??

    I couldn't tell much of a difference on the Upscaled Cartoons ?

    Hopefully the sport tomorrow will be a bit different ?

    Or maybe I do need to visit Specsavers :-)


  • #46
    Mayo Exile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Mayo Exile


    bob11 wrote: »
    my UPC box is a HD box as well, so I believe that it upscales the channels as well, so would it be fair to say that an upscaled RTE2 on UPC HD would be much the same as an Upscaled RTE2 HD on Saorview ??

    I couldn't tell much of a difference on the Upscaled Cartoons

    More than likely yes. Have you the UPC HD box connected to the TV with a HDMI lead?

    Hopefully the sport tomorrow will be a bit different

    Definitely on a 50 inch TV.
    Or maybe I do need to visit Specsavers :-)

    Not yet. Magners League Final kicks off at 5pm. Wait till after that starts until you decide!


  • #47
    bob11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭bob11


    Mayo Exile wrote: »
    More than likely yes. Have you the UPC HD box connected to the TV with a HDMI lead?

    Yes ..


  • #48
    seanp_25
    Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭seanp_25


    bob11 wrote: »
    By the way, I forgot to say that my UPC box is a HD box as well, so I believe that it upscales the channels as well, so would it be fair to say that an upscaled RTE2 on UPC HD would be much the same as an Upscaled RTE2 HD on Saorview ??)

    I would say definately not. The RTE2 signal coming to your UPC HD box is fairly low bitrate. The upscaled SD on Saorview will look much better.

    I think in terms of quality on RTE2 for SD content: Soarview > Sky > UPC. Maybe some one else can confirm that.


  • #49
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The Simpsons was still in the wrong aspect ratio earlier and had the HD DOG. Seems they just have the HD DOG on for everything.


  • #50
    sky23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭sky23


    I thought they are only going to have the hd dog when its shown in true hd. how are we going to sure if it is then?


  • #51
    Apogee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭Apogee


    sky23 wrote: »
    I thought they are only going to have the hd dog when its shown in true hd. how are we going to sure if it is then?

    They are probably still fiddling/testing at the moment. It should be easily noticeable whether the source is HD or not. Look for the blades of green grass on the pitch.


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