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Your 1000m row time!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Chet Zar


    Gadzooks! 4:30ish in gym today at start of workout. Thought was on track to do better than last time during the row! Gotta push more at start of the 1k I reckon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,615 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    maars wrote:
    It comes down to age, weight, height, 6.40 is a good effort for a lightweight masters rower, but it's not quite as impressive for a guy who is 90kg, 6 foot 3 and 25yrs old.

    Not sure where you are seeing the world records but I doubt it is a well maintained list. The first 13 in the Irish Indoors (Open Mens event i.e. BWT > 75kgs)last year all went under 6:40. There were plenty more sub 6:40 in the vets and lightweight categories too.
    I checked the offcail list on the concept2 site.
    I think the problems the times set at a lot of indoors compa aren't recognaised as concept2 have pretty strict criteria for official times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭TheZ


    Are you supposed to use the foot straps on the concept2. I recently stopped using them on basis of something I read about recovery stroke should be the cable pulling you back in and not using feet to pull you back in

    Any views on if that is correct?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭steve9859


    Less than 2 minutes
    just wondering if anyone can explain the resistance 1-10 on the rowing machines, to go at your fastest does it need to be at 10?

    Resistance is not the same on all machines. It depends on age, how clean they are, and how well maintained. Having the fan on 5 on one machine may not be the same as on 5 on the machine next to it.

    Use the 'drag factor' to be consistent. You will find it in 'other options' on the concept 2. This shows how much the fan slows down between strokes. Heavyweight men will typically do their tests on 130 or 135, lightweight men and heavyweight women 120-125, and lightweight women around 110-115. It is your personal preference where u set it if u r a gym rower, but this drag factor will allow u to be consistent across machines of different ages. A 130 drag on (which I use as a 6 foot 4 former rower) might have the fan at 8 on one machine and 5 on another

    Incidentally I am always amazed that personal trainers and gym instructors rarely know of this basic functionality!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 147 ✭✭petroltimer


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    well i did the 1000m last night 3:42, i don't know if i did a long enough warm up, i did 5 minutes on a cross country ski thing, but after the row i was sick in the stomach it took me about 20mins before i was able to do anything else as i was worried i was going to throw up :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭The Guvnor


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    TheZ wrote: »
    Are you supposed to use the foot straps on the concept2. I recently stopped using them on basis of something I read about recovery stroke should be the cable pulling you back in and not using feet to pull you back in

    Any views on if that is correct?

    Kind of - if you do not fall off with your feet out of the straps then it means your body is in the correct position as in hands away leaning forward during the recovery.

    However in rowing terms on the recovery you are thinking of you pulling the boat underneath you instead of you moving forward.

    If you move forward in a choppy/too fast motion you can 'check' the boat and actually slow it down.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭Molly


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    Anyone of you able to explain to me why when I go faster than 1:35 for 500m i fall off the seat (Calling me a clown isn't a helpful answer :D )?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭d'Oracle


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    Molly wrote: »
    Anyone of you able to explain to me why when I go faster than 1:35 for 500m i fall off the seat (Calling me a clown isn't a helpful answer :D )?

    There was something on that in the journal I think.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭steve9859


    Less than 2 minutes
    Molly wrote: »
    Anyone of you able to explain to me why when I go faster than 1:35 for 500m i fall off the seat (Calling me a clown isn't a helpful answer :D )?

    I presume your are firing up and down the slide like the clappers, and the chain is shaking around to try to get below 1.35. You are falling off cause u r losing control of the sequence of the stroke. Your back has to be connected to the fan, and you should start to feel the weight of the fan through your straight arms, shoulders and back b4 u push with your legs. If your arms are bent or you push with your legs before you have picked up the load then you will likely fall off.

    What I would recommend is to look at the stroke sequence (concept 2 website is good) then do dome slow motion rowing to get that right. Then do some low rate rowing (18 strokes a minute or less) but pushing with your legs as hard as you can. Then when you have the feeling of loading up your back, holding it steady through the leg drive, before starting to lean back, then you can take up the rate. Because you have the sequence right you will generate more power, and get the split down further without losing control


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭Molly


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    Thanks for responding to this, let me provide you with a little more info about how I fall off the seat. It's not that I fall off to the side, it's more that my ass hops up off of the seat, then the seat slides a little too far or doesn't slide at all and I end up half on/half off the seat. By doing what you said will that be remedied?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭The Guvnor


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    You are coming forward too fast and are overreaching and kind of coming up on your feet, hence your rear is lifted a little bit off the seat (at a guess).

    Also because of the movement the seat has a small bit of momentum which if you rear is not on for a fraction of a second cause it to not be where it was when you left it etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭Molly


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    Thank you, that makes sense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭steve9859


    Less than 2 minutes
    Just go on the website, look at the body positions and copy them exactly. Real slow to start then increase power as you get to know the sequence. The pictures are on the concept 2 website for a reason!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭AntiVirus


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    Did a nice 3:29 this morning with 33 SPM and a hangover. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭The Guvnor


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    3m28.9 is my next target!:D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭The Guvnor


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    BTW - I was checking out some of the sub 3m 1k times from this year and last year - some heavy guys on there.

    43 year old from Norway 125kg and he looks lean, Cork lad 127kg and plenty over 110kg!

    Be interesting to see if any of them are similarly placed on the 2k.


  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭Torque


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    Being involved in rowing I'd pull a 6:30 2k so I reckon a 3 minute 1k. A lot of pretty decent times for non rowers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭The Guvnor


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    You'd pull a 6m30 or have pulled a 6m30? :)

    One way to find out if you could do a 3m 1k! It is a bit of a difference though 1m30 even vs 1m37.5.

    Best of luck mate!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Chet Zar


    Now that I have all your usernames it's now time to set up a rowing comp to see who can do it in the time they claim.

    :) Still a way off sub-4 right now but working towards it....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭The Guvnor


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    I've posted my first attempt.
    Will do it again this week and see where I am at.
    Progress will slow down soon I imagine!:)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭steve9859


    Less than 2 minutes
    Torque wrote: »
    Being involved in rowing I'd pull a 6:30 2k so I reckon a 3 minute 1k. A lot of pretty decent times for non rowers.

    Ive been a coach for a good while after retiring from racing, and the general rule of thumb is that your 2k time will normally be around twice your 1k time plus 10 seconds (so around 2.5 seconds less on your split time for a 2k than a 1k). A 6:30 2k (which may be pretty good depending on your size) should mean you do a 3:10 1k.

    If you can do a 3m 1k, you should be pushing for sub 6:10 - putting you close to international territory if you are a lightweight, and top level club standard if you are a heavyweight. If you are only at 6:30 for your 2k, I think you will find a 3:00 1k out of range for a while


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭The Guvnor


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    Steve,

    As this is just about the 1k time - are people better off working on their speed or their endurance?

    Try an extend their 500m piece as opposed to shortening their 2k.

    It is possible to muscle a 500m piece but a lot harder to do it over 1k which is where I think it pays to have better technique and some level of endurance etc.

    Not too many club heavyweights in Ireland doing sub 6m10 is there, there certainly wasn't 10 years ago?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭steve9859


    Less than 2 minutes
    The Guvnor wrote: »
    Steve,

    As this is just about the 1k time - are people better off working on their speed or their endurance?

    Try an extend their 500m piece as opposed to shortening their 2k.

    It is possible to muscle a 500m piece but a lot harder to do it over 1k which is where I think it pays to have better technique and some level of endurance etc.

    Not too many club heavyweights in Ireland doing sub 6m10 is there, there certainly wasn't 10 years ago?

    There are a few sub 6.10 guys kicking around now - not too many, but more than there were. And some good juniors who will be sub 6.10 in a couple of years

    Youve got to have good technique to transfer a good 500m time to a good 2k time - anyone with half decent technique (which is good enough that they can work their legs instead of just their forearms) can shut their eyes and muscle a good 500 with little enough fitness. But the 2k is the equivalent to the 800m on the track - you have to be fast as hell (almost as fast at top speed as the 200m guys). But also have the endurance of a mile runner.

    The 1k on the erg is like the 400m on the track. If you dont have some endurance you are going to blow just after half way. Usain Bolt says he wont race the 400 as he cant be arsed with the fitness training - different to the anaerobic speed of the 200m. It is the same kind of thing

    To get a fast 1k with limited training time you have to develop your strength endurance. Try 4 or 5 x 500m pieces with a 1 minute (maybe 1.30 to start with) break in between (pacing yourself to get them even splits or improving slightly as you go along). Of a set of 1 minute on, 1 minute off x 10 or 12.

    Obviously if you are a rower wanting to do it properly you will be doing long endurance pieces for an hour or more at a time, plus weights and circuits etc. But for a gym rower wanting a good 1k without spending too much time, interval training should work well. (But do it with the right technique or you will go nowhere)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Chet Zar


    steve9859 wrote: »
    There are a few sub 6.10 guys kicking around now - not too many, but more than there were. And some good juniors who will be sub 6.10 in a couple of years

    Youve got to have good technique to transfer a good 500m time to a good 2k time - anyone with half decent technique (which is good enough that they can work their legs instead of just their forearms) can shut their eyes and muscle a good 500 with little enough fitness. But the 2k is the equivalent to the 800m on the track - you have to be fast as hell (almost as fast at top speed as the 200m guys). But also have the endurance of a mile runner.

    The 1k on the erg is like the 400m on the track. If you dont have some endurance you are going to blow just after half way. Usain Bolt says he wont race the 400 as he cant be arsed with the fitness training - different to the anaerobic speed of the 200m. It is the same kind of thing

    To get a fast 1k with limited training time you have to develop your strength endurance. Try 4 or 5 x 500m pieces with a 1 minute (maybe 1.30 to start with) break in between (pacing yourself to get them even splits or improving slightly as you go along). Of a set of 1 minute on, 1 minute off x 10 or 12.

    Obviously if you are a rower wanting to do it properly you will be doing long endurance pieces for an hour or more at a time, plus weights and circuits etc. But for a gym rower wanting a good 1k without spending too much time, interval training should work well. (But do it with the right technique or you will go nowhere)

    Cheers for that Steve. Gonna try your 4 or 5 x 500m suggestion. I've only tried the 1k test maybe four times so far, tend to find I gas after about 650m, so this might help me get it to the next phase.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭steve9859


    Less than 2 minutes
    Chet Zar wrote: »
    Cheers for that Steve. Gonna try your 4 or 5 x 500m suggestion. I've only tried the 1k test maybe four times so far, tend to find I gas after about 650m, so this might help me get it to the next phase.

    If you want to do interval training on the rowing machine, you have to do it properly. BY that I mean there is no point doing 2 fast intervals, blowing up on one, then a fast one, then a slow one etc etc. Keep them all at the same kind of split, getting faster in the last couple.

    If you take it a bit easy the first time, it gives you a starting point. So, for example, if you do 5 x 500 at 1.44, 1.44, 1.43, 1.42, 1.39, then the average of them all is 1.42.4. So the next time you do them, you know you are able for 5 pieces at 1.42.4.

    So you can start at 1.42.4, then bring the last one down. End up maybe with with 1.42.4, 1.42.4, 1.42.4, 1.42.0, 1.41.5. That brings your average down to 1.42, and the next time, you have this new average split to start at. In that way you get slightly faster every time, knowing your own speed. Much more effective than winging it and going different speeds every time.

    Id be interested to hear how you get on

    Important thing with rowing training, as with running and swimming, is to write down all your times, and split times and keep a diary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭AntiVirus


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    steve9859 wrote: »
    If you want to do interval training on the rowing machine, you have to do it properly. BY that I mean there is no point doing 2 fast intervals, blowing up on one, then a fast one, then a slow one etc etc. Keep them all at the same kind of split, getting faster in the last couple.

    If you take it a bit easy the first time, it gives you a starting point. So, for example, if you do 5 x 500 at 1.44, 1.44, 1.43, 1.42, 1.39, then the average of them all is 1.42.4. So the next time you do them, you know you are able for 5 pieces at 1.42.4.

    So you can start at 1.42.4, then bring the last one down. End up maybe with with 1.42.4, 1.42.4, 1.42.4, 1.42.0, 1.41.5. That brings your average down to 1.42, and the next time, you have this new average split to start at. In that way you get slightly faster every time, knowing your own speed. Much more effective than winging it and going different speeds every time.

    Id be interested to hear how you get on

    Important thing with rowing training, as with running and swimming, is to write down all your times, and split times and keep a diary.

    I'd like to try this so what sort of split times should I use considering my 1km time was 3m29sec?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭The Guvnor


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    1m40-1m41 IMO mate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭AntiVirus


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    The Guvnor wrote: »
    1m40-1m41 IMO mate.

    Cheers, I'll give it ago on Thursday :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭The Guvnor


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    Thank me afterwards mate! Especially if you keep to Steve's 1m to 1m30 rest period!:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    steve9859 wrote: »
    If you want to do interval training on the rowing machine, you have to do it properly. BY that I mean there is no point doing 2 fast intervals, blowing up on one, then a fast one, then a slow one etc etc. Keep them all at the same kind of split, getting faster in the last couple.

    If you take it a bit easy the first time, it gives you a starting point. So, for example, if you do 5 x 500 at 1.44, 1.44, 1.43, 1.42, 1.39, then the average of them all is 1.42.4. So the next time you do them, you know you are able for 5 pieces at 1.42.4.

    So you can start at 1.42.4, then bring the last one down. End up maybe with with 1.42.4, 1.42.4, 1.42.4, 1.42.0, 1.41.5. That brings your average down to 1.42, and the next time, you have this new average split to start at. In that way you get slightly faster every time, knowing your own speed. Much more effective than winging it and going different speeds every time.

    Id be interested to hear how you get on

    Important thing with rowing training, as with running and swimming, is to write down all your times, and split times and keep a diary.
    totally agree with all of that 1+


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  • Registered Users Posts: 345 ✭✭thebiggestjim


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    my best 500m is 1m 21.7s
    my best 2000m is 6m 47.5s

    I have not rowed a flat out 1000m but got 3m 17s recently on a warm up.

    I am going to try and beat these times in about 6 weeks. Im putting on some weight and strength to prepare.

    The rowing machine is a serious test of mental strength.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,615 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    my best 500m is 1m 21.7s
    That's excellant imo, isn't it like 6 seconds or so from the WR



    I'll prob give CF Jackie a spin tonight, so that has a 1000m row in it, put I won't be going near to flat out now hat I think of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 345 ✭✭thebiggestjim


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    steve9859 wrote: »
    If you want to do interval training on the rowing machine, you have to do it properly. BY that I mean there is no point doing 2 fast intervals, blowing up on one, then a fast one, then a slow one etc etc. Keep them all at the same kind of split, getting faster in the last couple.

    If you take it a bit easy the first time, it gives you a starting point. So, for example, if you do 5 x 500 at 1.44, 1.44, 1.43, 1.42, 1.39, then the average of them all is 1.42.4. So the next time you do them, you know you are able for 5 pieces at 1.42.4.

    So you can start at 1.42.4, then bring the last one down. End up maybe with with 1.42.4, 1.42.4, 1.42.4, 1.42.0, 1.41.5. That brings your average down to 1.42, and the next time, you have this new average split to start at. In that way you get slightly faster every time, knowing your own speed. Much more effective than winging it and going different speeds every time.

    Id be interested to hear how you get on

    Important thing with rowing training, as with running and swimming, is to write down all your times, and split times and keep a diary.

    This looks good, I think ill do a few weeks of this to prepare for the 2K.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭The Guvnor


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    my best 500m is 1m 21.7s
    my best 2000m is 6m 47.5s

    I have not rowed a flat out 1000m but got 3m 17s recently on a warm up.

    I am going to try and beat these times in about 6 weeks. Im putting on some weight and strength to prepare.

    The rowing machine is a serious test of mental strength.

    1m21.7 is a very good 500m time and one which would suggest you'd get a better 2k time.

    How is your endurance, I'm guessing you are more strength than fitness oriented?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭The Guvnor


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    We should if possible start a league table with the actual 1k times on there.

    I dread the above - thinking about how far down the list I'll be.


  • Registered Users Posts: 345 ✭✭thebiggestjim


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    The Guvnor wrote: »
    1m21.7 is a very good 500m time and one which would suggest you'd get a better 2k time.

    How is your endurance, I'm guessing you are more strength than fitness oriented?

    At the time (about a year ago) I was 108kg when I did both these times. I am now 98Kg. I am looking to put on some weight over the next few weeks, about 5kg, and have another go at this. I am convinced I can get under 1m20s on the 500m. My endurance is not bad. I do a fair bit of crossfit. For the next 7 weeks I am training for strength and then back to crossfit. I think I will try the interval 500m training Steve mentioned in an earlier post to improve my 2K. I feel it should be better also. I think my technique is reasonable also, its smooth and I get a good push off with the legs.
    Does anyone have any techniques in actually rowing the 2K. My brother mentioned something like every 300m, up your workrate for 50m and then reduce it again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Chet Zar


    steve9859 wrote: »
    If you want to do interval training on the rowing machine, you have to do it properly. BY that I mean there is no point doing 2 fast intervals, blowing up on one, then a fast one, then a slow one etc etc. Keep them all at the same kind of split, getting faster in the last couple.

    If you take it a bit easy the first time, it gives you a starting point. So, for example, if you do 5 x 500 at 1.44, 1.44, 1.43, 1.42, 1.39, then the average of them all is 1.42.4. So the next time you do them, you know you are able for 5 pieces at 1.42.4.

    So you can start at 1.42.4, then bring the last one down. End up maybe with with 1.42.4, 1.42.4, 1.42.4, 1.42.0, 1.41.5. That brings your average down to 1.42, and the next time, you have this new average split to start at. In that way you get slightly faster every time, knowing your own speed. Much more effective than winging it and going different speeds every time.

    Id be interested to hear how you get on

    Important thing with rowing training, as with running and swimming, is to write down all your times, and split times and keep a diary.

    Yep cheers Steve, going to try this in the gym tomorrow so will report back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭The Guvnor


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    Jim a 2k is like a proper on the water rowing race.

    • You can have a few short strokes at the start followed by 10-20 pretty much flat out strokes to get ahead. Would be called a start and 20 etc.
    • You then settle into a race pace.
    • Some will do a push at a 1000m etc. and then settle again.
    • Final push comes with 300m to go etc.

    BTW - I'm guessing you have the setting up around 8-10?

    Despite all the above some people go out hard to 1k and try to hang on whilst others have negative splits as in second half faster than the first.


    The question for you is could you do a 1m35 500m after a 1m25 500m?

    It's a real suck it and see approach tbh. If I was trying to do a sub 3m 1k (sub 4m would be the female equivalent), it would go like this:

    • Hard start 1m25 ish for 1000-850m
    • Settle in at 1m30/1m29 for 850-150m
    • Up it as much as possible 150m-0m
    In my head this is just a case of get 2m59.9 or less, it's not a race - a race may require a different strategy etc.

    I'm game on for going sub 3m for 1k this year!:D

    Going from 1m21.7 to 1m21.5 is a lifetime let alone 1.7 seconds off but best of luck with it mate!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,615 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    Went sub 4m last night, This was part of a bigger metcon (50 thrusters, 30 pull ups to follow the row) so didn't go all out and 4m was a handy pace.

    I'd say 3.40 wouldn't be hard, and I'd expect to hit 3.30 all out


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭The Guvnor


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    ^^ LOL ^^

    I'm noticing a trend here, me included where we do not want to go flat out for the 1k.

    I think pushing it all the way my chances of finishing it would be slim.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭steve9859


    Less than 2 minutes
    Everyone will have their own way of doing a 1k or 2k, depending on how mentally tough they are, and how accustomed to the pain of endurance sport. To be honest, if you are inexperienced, trial and error will eventually show you what works best for you.

    But there are two facts that hold for everyone in every piece, whether rowing, running, swimming etc.

    1: You need to come down to your race pace - so a few good hard strokes (or strides if you are running) at the very start to give yourself something to come down to - a race pace that feels comfortable

    2 (and most important): You must go through half way in good shape. Starting at a measured pace (albeit still racy), and speeding up in the 2nd half (leaving some juice for a fast finish) will always give you a faster average time that starting off like the clappers and slowing down in the 2nd half


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 Merlin5545


    hi guys,,,
    Yes,you are right i observe it too.A lot of people likely hit the rower as part of their training.As i am in the beginner level of the training so it takes me more than 5 minutes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭AntiVirus


    Between 2 and 3 minutes
    The Guvnor wrote: »
    1m40-1m41 IMO mate.

    I gave it a shot today with 1 minute breaks and I didn't make it.

    1:38 - 1:38 - 1:42 - 1:48 - 2:05 (:o)

    I don't know if I should try it next time with a 1m 30sec breaks or up the 500m times to 1:42?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭steve9859


    Less than 2 minutes
    AntiVirus wrote: »
    I gave it a shot today with 1 minute breaks and I didn't make it.

    1:38 - 1:38 - 1:42 - 1:48 - 2:05 (:o)

    I don't know if I should try it next time with a 1m 30sec breaks or up the 500m times to 1:42?

    You are going off too hard. That's why you do these-to learn your pace! That was a lesson for u. Do the next at maybe 1.42 or 1.43 and try to keep them consistent. You need to find a starting point then build on it. Rome wasn't built in a day. Keep the same rest but change your pace-it is more effective to work on upping your pace than reducing your rest

    5x500 sounds easy, and the first one feels easy. But as you now know, it isn't! Don't get too excited on the first one or two because you feel good-you will pay for it later.

    Then you can build it up to 10x500m. Now that is pain!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭AntiVirus


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    steve9859 wrote: »
    You are going off too hard. That's why you do these-to learn your pace! That was a lesson for u. Do the next at maybe 1.42 or 1.43 and try to keep them consistent. You need to find a starting point then build on it. Rome wasn't built in a day. Keep the same rest but change your pace-it is more effective to work on upping your pace than reducing your rest

    5x500 sounds easy, and the first one feels easy. But as you now know, it isn't! Don't get too excited on the first one or two because you feel good-you will pay for it later.

    Then you can build it up to 10x500m. Now that is pain!!

    You're right, the first one felt easy and then the next one was harder but not to bad, then I just kept fading. I' stick to 1:42 next time and see how that goes. I'm still feeling it now! Thanks :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Chet Zar


    steve9859 wrote: »
    You are going off too hard. That's why you do these-to learn your pace! That was a lesson for u. Do the next at maybe 1.42 or 1.43 and try to keep them consistent. You need to find a starting point then build on it. Rome wasn't built in a day. Keep the same rest but change your pace-it is more effective to work on upping your pace than reducing your rest

    5x500 sounds easy, and the first one feels easy. But as you now know, it isn't! Don't get too excited on the first one or two because you feel good-you will pay for it later.

    Then you can build it up to 10x500m. Now that is pain!!

    I'm absolutely loving the 500m sprints! Soo much less arduous than the 1000ms and you get to 500 in no time at all!!

    So here's what I did today. My best 1k time so far is 4:21.

    Split 1: 2:11
    Split 2: 2:13
    Split 3: 2:11
    Split 4: 2:15
    Split 5: 2:11

    About 2 mins rest in between each split. On split 4 I think I dropped the overall pace too much. Trial and error I guess. The above though gives me an average 500m time of 2.12 which doesn't seem great considering my 1k time....??

    Going back tomorrow to try and get my average down to 2.10 at least.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


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    there is no point in doing 500m repeats ALL the time - vary the distance/time in the same way you would if aiming to do a better 5km run time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭The Guvnor


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    Dominic,

    When are you giving the 1k a go?:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,615 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


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    Link your "Jackie" video,
    Then you'll have to top it :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


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    The Guvnor wrote: »
    Dominic,

    When are you giving the 1k a go?:D
    i will be sure to post it up on my workout log when i do but it just has not come up on any of the crossfit endurance sessions so will nail it then.

    Here is one i did recently for you to try to beat my total distance -

    Rowing, 4mins effort (rest 3mins i.e. get off the rower if you wish), 2mins effort (30secs rest), 1mins effort (3mins rest), 2mins effort (30secs rest), 4mins effort – total distance was 3673m (total training time – 21mins)


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