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Community - Season 4 [US] *Spoilers*

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Jeez, all very cloak and dagger isn't it. I wonder what the cast make of this news, and the other shenanigans with the show; will some of them walk, in solidarity with Harmon? Ok, Chevy Chase may not, but it wouldn't be the first time an actor departed a show after the creative staff got the heave-ho

    Like others, this is disappointing news. I'll keep an open mind & try not to overreact - as let's be honest, Community wasn't always solid gold & could be pretty weak at times, so perhaps this production shake-up might smooth over the rough edges.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Conor108


    pixelburp wrote: »
    I wonder what the cast make of this news, and the other shenanigans with the show; will some of them walk, in solidarity with Harmon?

    I don't know if they can, are they not on contracts?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 987 ✭✭✭psicic


    Why do I have visions of a board meeting somewhere involving phrases like "maximising valuable IP", "it's hot with the kids" and "syndication for the iPhone generation is online".

    I really hope the change is because Sony thought Harmon crossed the line with the Chase thing, but I have this dark feeling that they want to make the show more mainstream and reduce the story arcs a bit.

    p.s. Those were a great last three episodes. 8bit is always cool - and Goth Britta was surprisingly hot!


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Bad news

    So bad it's spoilered:
    Graham Linehan ‏@Glinner
    Great news! The guys who didn't bother to call me when they did the US IT Crowd are taking over Community!

    I didn't realise this. If you've seen that pilot atrocity, you know it's the end.

    Balls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,028 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    ^ No.. no.. no.. no.. no..


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Oh God, this keeps getting worse and worse ...

    this has to be the darkest timeline :(


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I have a new avvy after delivering that terrible news :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    Not cool. Not cool, cool, cool.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    Jesus that's really not good news.


  • Registered Users Posts: 240 ✭✭mrkite77


    Not cool. Not cool, cool, cool.

    Cruel. Cruel, cruel, cruel.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭FouxDaFaFa


    Oh fcuk. This just keeps getting worse and worse.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]



    F*ck off Richard.

    I could smell you coming around to gloat. Why don't you stick to threads you're interested in? God knows you watch enough sh*te. There's a few folk pissed off in here and I can guarantee you don't help them one bit.

    Stop acting like a dick


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    tenner bets they add a laughtrack and Shirley becomes a 'strong, independent black woman' stereotype.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Maybe this was all Harmon's plan as "This is the darkest timeline". He couldn't do it himself as it wouldn't stay "true" to his creation, so we're going to have 12 rubbish episodes, followed by the one true timeline when Harmon comes back.

    Troy and Britta, Jeff and Annie hook up. Abed moves in with Pierce where "hilarity" ensues. The dean will be either toned down, faded out, or (wait for it!) be expelled as the dean as his qualifications are all fake, so he joins the study group in Greendale with ensuing hilarity as he tries to get his qualifications, and becomes a core character as that what the demo would want.

    And I expect to hear much more "sassy" from Shirley. Because that's hilarity ensuing

    Oh sweet jebus.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,810 ✭✭✭Seren_


    I can't read spoilers on my phone! What does it say?? Imagining the worst by the responses....


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Basically Graham Lineham said that the people who were in charge of the US IT Crowd (which I haven't watched but will try to track down now to prepare myself) are now the show runners of Community.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭Newaglish




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    DON'T WATCH IT


    It's not worth it. Believe me.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How can you take a script and pretty much word for word and shoot it shot for shot and it becomes atrocious?!


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What was Richard Ayoade doing on the US version? And to think, if this had succeeded, Community might have been without Joel McHale.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    You can't even blame a poor cast because they brought Richard Ayoade over and we all know that Joel is great.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So what went wrong?

    They more or less had it shot-for-shot, the script was pretty much the exact same, the actors were great (though McHale is far too attractive to pull off the whole nerdy IT guy) ... so ...

    how?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Poor production staff?


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Actually I found this great post from Graham Lineham back then about how to make the US IT Crowd work.

    But everything I've seen/read of the their version really doesn't give me hope for Community Season 4. As far as I'm concerned, it seems, Community finished with #sixseasonsandamovie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Basically Graham Lineham said that the people who were in charge of the US IT Crowd (which I haven't watched but will try to track down now to prepare myself) are now the show runners of Community.
    In fairness they do Happy Endings and that show is quite good IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,028 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    True, wasn't aware it was the same people.

    Recommend everyone should watch a few episodes of 'Happy Endings' before jumping to conclusions here.

    'Happy Endings' does the best pop culture references of any show in the last few years - even trumping Community in that respect.

    And while Happy Endings doesn't do bad with ratings.. it's far from safe in renewal terms and doesn't appeal to a mainstream audience either. These were probably the best replacements we could have hoped for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Will they be working on both shows at the same time then?

    Edit: Seems that they aren't actually showrunners on Happy Endings. They were 'consulting producers', which means they did nothing.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0345288/
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0691886/

    Their main works seems to be 'Aliens in America' and 'Just Shoot Me'.

    So yeah, this doesn't look good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,810 ✭✭✭Seren_


    Thanks for the PM with the spoiler Pappa Dolla!

    I really like Happy Endings, but still not holding out much hope for season 4. It just won't be the same. And going by the US IT Crowd... :/

    I wish they'd have just cancelled it last week. It would have been easier to take.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]




    Interesting comparison between the two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Well off the bat I see a huge problem. The actress that plays Jen is awful compared to the talents of Katherine Parkinson.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah, she has somewhat poor comedic timing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    Well off the bat I see a huge problem. The actress that plays Jen is awful compared to the talents of Katherine Parkinson.

    Jesus you're not wrong there. She's very poor. She's not able to play it with restraint the way Katherine Parkinson is. And as much as I love Joel McHale, I'm not sure that role would have suited him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,485 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Happy Endings writers David Guarascio and Moses Port to join Community as showrunners and exec producers

    It is a shame to lose Harmon I thought Chevy would be the one to go tbh.

    I quite liked Aliens in America and Happy Endings is my new guilty pleasure it really came into it's own for season 2 so I have some faith in these two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    Happy Endings at times does touch the same style of humour as Community.

    I remember really enjoying their zombie survival plan episode and the season 2 halloween episode was also enjoyable.

    But it falls back to sitcom standards far too often for my liking specifically they pretty much finish up most plot threads with smiling and hugging.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,028 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    BlitzKrieg wrote: »
    But it falls back to sitcom standards far too often for my liking specifically they pretty much finish up most plot threads with smiling and hugging.
    Doesn't bother me as long as the writing is strong..



    Community is practically the anti-sitcom though.. which is why it's worrying for anyone to replace Dan Harmon - NBC will probably try to make it more mainstream... not good!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    To everyone saying that Season 2 of Happy Endings is awesome: The guys who are coming to to run Community left after season 1.


    Although all this has made me want to watch Happy Endings, so at least I get a new show out of all this chaos.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    happy endings seems like a watered down always sunny


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    it'll never get syndicated now, not enough eps.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    it'll never get syndicated now, not enough eps.

    Go Away - you're like a stray cat


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Just report it. And then it's up to the mods to see if he's breaking the following:

    Boards number one ethos and rule is here for all too see. Especially:
    Everyone is tired of the muppets online and if you feel you must be a dick to others, you aren’t welcome here.

    This is unfortunately being lost over time as boards grows, imo of course. Not especially on this forum may I add.

    Back on thread...


    Good (depressing, but good) article here:
    http://www.newsinfilm.com/2012/05/21/dan-harmon-expelled-from-nbcs-community/
    NBC would prefer a miraculous reversal in the ratings, of course, and the half-hour remains a reliable way for niche advertisers to reach a pinpoint audience. But an abrupt about-face can only come with noticeable creative adjustments, likely starting with the abandonment of its meta multiverses. Obviously, we won’t know Port and Guarascio’s creative direction until September, but fans would be kidding themselves if they expected more of the same. Its new time slot, on Friday nights, seems like the death sentence it was intended to be. If the series struggled to reach a favorable demo rating in Thursday’s marquee comedy block, there is little chance it will gain strength on a Friday after a repellent episode of “Whitney.” There is also the possibility the series is “damaged goods” now, having alienated viewers who didn’t adore its antics over the years and now potentially souring the loyal base. Again, we won’t know until September.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I just don't get this, whose decision was it to screw around with it? Isn't it Sony who'll have the syndication rights or something? NBC being dicks to them?


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    So they want to increase audiences and they put it in a worse time slot (and take away everything that's good about the show)?

    I think this may be the first time I've ever used this...

    :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It's a bizarre decision allright; they want rid of the niche humour, try and fashion it to appeal to a wider audience, but then stick it in a slot traditionally seen as a death-kneel to shows.

    I'm trying to look at it this way: even if season 4 confirms all our fears, it will never be able to touch seasons 1 to 3. And besides, if push comes to shove, a poor season 4 can simply be written off as another / wrong timeline :D


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Look at The IT Crowd for a good example of a great 3 season show...


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Have the new show runners said anything at all about their new job? Any sign they even watch the show and like it? Because if they're not familiar with it, and its meta stylings (and genius!) then they're even more likely to Britta it.

    Is it also possible / plausible that the reason Dan Harmon was fired is just ultimately a clash of egos and that if he had been a little quieter in his thoughts that he'd have been kept on, regardless of the show's relatively low ratings?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    Or it just all comes down to the bottom line.

    Not having to renegotiate a new contract for Harmon and hiring cheaper show runner/writing staff will cut costs.

    Move the show to the graveyard slot on Friday then stumble towards Syndication with a 14 episode run.

    Then goodbye new episodes of Community.......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    Dear Netflix,

    So now that you've saved Arrested Development, I wonder if you could do me another favour...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭QikBax




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