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    #62
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    And that's before we speak about his family who are total nutters, hate preachers is about the best of them.

    ????

    Where do you get this stuff?


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    #63
    marienbad
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    And that's before we speak about his family who are total nutters, hate preachers is about the best of them.

    But fair enough if ye think he good man. It's opinion


    It is a bit more than opinion though , have you anything specific about him and not his law firm or his family ? Specifically linking him to terrorism ?

    If not then retract your claim .

    If that was the burden of proof than half the population of Ireland in the 70's had a family connection no matter how remote to 'terrorism' .


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    #64
    FTA69
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    I've yet to see any evidence backing up anything you've alleged to be honest. It's not good enough to accuse someone of being a terrorist sympathiser whose family are hate preachers without trying to prove that.


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    #65
    The_Kew_Tour
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    marienbad wrote: »
    It is a bit more than opinion though , have you anything specific about him and not his law firm or his family ? Specifically linking him to terrorism ?

    If not then retract your claim .

    If that was the burden of proof than half the population of Ireland in the 70's had a family connection no matter how remote to 'terrorism' .

    Well you could research into it. Plenty out there. And I have seen his brother law in flesh give a rather hateful speech that leave Hitler proud

    I never said anything about all Muslims been terrorists and you want me to Apologise!!


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    #66
    ancapailldorcha
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    If you make a claim, the onus is on you to substantiate it. We're not here to do your research for you. I'm thankful Khan won. We could do with a statement to show that many, many people are not potential Trump voters and sympathisers.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #67
    ohnonotgmail
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Well you could research into it. Plenty out there. And I have seen his brother law in flesh give a rather hateful speech that leave Hitler proud

    I never said anything about all Muslims been terrorists and you want me to Apologise!!


    how about you share some of your research?


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    #68
    osarusan
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Well you could research into it. Plenty out there.
    This is such bullsh!t.

    Make a claim, get asked to provide something to back it up, tell those asking to do the research for themselves.

    Absolute nonsense.


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    #69
    A Dub in Glasgo
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    And that's before we speak about his family who are total nutters, hate preachers is about the best of them.

    But fair enough if ye think he good man. It's opinion

    This is exactly the kind of nonsense that got 2 legal folk killed in Northern Ireland


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    #70
    K-9
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Still crying over 1 sign in a B&B 50 years ago :pac:

    A lot of people tried to discredit that signs went up, but it was proved that it was a common occurrence.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #71
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Well you could research into it. Plenty out there. And I have seen his brother law in flesh give a rather hateful speech that leave Hitler proud

    I never said anything about all Muslims been terrorists and you want me to Apologise!!

    You mean his ex brother in law from whom he disassociated himself in 2007?

    Khan is the London born son of a bus driver who worked his way through college, had a successful legal career specialising in human rights and was an MP for 11 years. He was elected Mayor with the largest personal mandate of any politician in UK history.

    Cut the crap.


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    #72
    The Masculinist
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    Dear UK.

    You are either in or out.

    If in, start using the metric system, start implementing all European Directives instead of constantly looking for opt outs and start being European.

    If out, PFO. Your empire is dead, none gives a toss.

    Kind Regards,
    The rest of Europe.


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    #73
    FTA69
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    I met Khan before and thought he was a typical careerist slippery politician. On top of that I think some of the stuff he's thrown at Corbyn is unfair and divisive and his comments on the monarchy are toady and pukeworthy to be honest. Also if I hear "son of a bus driver raised on a council estate..." again I'll f*cking scream. Jesus can people talk about anything else?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3241649/Labour-s-Mayor-savages-Corbyn-Party-star-Khan-damns-leader-anti-Semitism.html

    However, I still voted for him because a lot of his policies are what London needs (whether he delivers is a different story) and I do believe that personally he gets what ordinary Londoners are going through on issues such as housing and low pay etc. Likewise, the stuff thrown at him about extremists and all the other nonsense we've seen here was the lowest common denominator of politics - a cynical attempt to use his religion as a stick to beat him with and portray him as some sort of enemy within. This is the sort of divisive and dangerous rubbish we need to move far away from.

    As I said above, it is something that has been totally discredited and appears to have backfired badly in the end. I also hope it's something Goldsmith gets reminded of constantly when he tries to sell us his "friendly environmental Zac" shtick in future.


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    #74
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    The Masculinist wrote: »
    Dear UK.

    You are either in or out.

    If in, start using the metric system, start implementing all European Directives instead of constantly looking for opt outs and start being European.

    If out, PFO. Your empire is dead, none gives a toss.

    Kind Regards,
    The rest of Europe.

    It has been said that Britain can't forget its past and can't imagine its future.

    However the odds on staying in are currently 5/1 on and the bookies rarely get things wrong so, I think more than enough Brits have copped themselves on this time.


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    #75
    12Phase
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    The one argument I've heard in England that's just showing how uniformed people are is that the EU is somehow responsible for non-EU immigration.

    Britain and Ireland operate their *own* *totally independent* visa / residency regimes and border controls as is, within the EU. So, the only people responsible for non-EU immigration policies is the national government.

    If people are voting against EU membership on the basis of xenophobia towards non-EU countries, then they're barking up the wrong tree entirely.


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    #76
    FTA69
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    I'm voting Leave for reasons aside from immigration but there's no denying that most Leave voters are doing so because they think the borders will be shut overnight. Chances are in the event of Brexit, European migration will continue much the same as it always did.


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    #77
    ancapailldorcha
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    I'm voting Leave for reasons aside from immigration but there's no denying that most Leave voters are doing so because they think the borders will be shut overnight. Chances are in the event of Brexit, European migration will continue much the same as it always did.

    Do you mind if I ask why you're voting Leave?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #78
    The_Kew_Tour
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    osarusan wrote: »
    This is such bullsh!t.

    Make a claim, get asked to provide something to back it up, tell those asking to do the research for themselves.

    Absolute nonsense.

    Well its not hard to find.

    Problem is if I did provide sources people will say it's only a certain source.


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    #79
    steddyeddy
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Well its not hard to find.

    Problem is if I did provide sources people will say it's only a certain source.

    Because it probrably is. Prove us wrong.


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    #80
    ohnonotgmail
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Well its not hard to find.

    Problem is if I did provide sources people will say it's only a certain source.


    well if the source is stormfront then you are probably right to think that.


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    #81
    The_Kew_Tour
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Because it probrably is. Prove us wrong.

    Or you mean you just dismiss it anyway. This is After Hours here people only believe what they like.

    You disagree that's fine. People know the story


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    #82
    seamus
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    12Phase wrote: »
    The ironyof complaining about unelected elites in Brussels

    What makes me laugh about the whole Brexit thing is how many of the anti-EU people in the UK will complain about "unelected elites" and "Germany", and five minutes later will be fawning over the royal family.

    Unelected German-descended elites, with the legal power to basically rule the country, they just choose not to. Instead the country pays them millions of pounds a year to do nothing.

    And yet somehow they're wonderful and an institution to be proud of, while the EU is the devil incarnate.

    You couldn't make it up.


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    FTA69
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Or you mean you just dismiss it anyway. This is After Hours here people only believe what they like.

    You disagree that's fine. People know the story

    humour us. Please tell us why you think Khan sympathises with terrorists?


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    FTA69
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Do you mind if I ask why you're voting Leave?

    First of all I dislike the EU as an institution. I think it is fundamentally anti-democratic and geared toward neo-liberal capitalism; an economic system I feel is presiding over our society being pulled apart and power and wealth concentrated in the hands of the very few. I don't believe in these sort of unaccountable power blocks and I think the EU has gone far beyond cooperation and is entering a different mode entirely. The Greece debacle solidified a lot of this in my mind.

    Secondly I believe that Corbyn's Labour can possibly win an election in Britain and the majority of his policies around nationalising power and rail will be made extremely difficult if not impossible due to EU competition laws.

    While I am nervous about the far right being bolstered by Brexit, the reality is that the far-right is rising across Europe and that's part of a wider trend of social democracy having totally and utterly failed to address the consequences of globalisation and neo-liberalism on ordinary lower and middle income earners in Europe and the millions across the country plunged into precarity.


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    ancapailldorcha
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    First of all I dislike the EU as an institution. I think it is fundamentally anti-democratic and geared toward neo-liberal capitalism; an economic system I feel is presiding over our society being pulled apart and power and wealth concentrated in the hands of the very few. I don't believe in these sort of unaccountable power blocks and I think the EU has gone far beyond cooperation and is entering a different mode entirely. The Greece debacle solidified a lot of this in my mind.

    Secondly I believe that Corbyn's Labour can possibly win an election in Britain and the majority of his policies around nationalising power and rail will be made extremely difficult if not impossible due to EU competition laws.

    While I am nervous about the far right being bolstered by Brexit, the reality is that the far-right is rising across Europe and that's part of a wider trend of social democracy having totally and utterly failed to address the consequences of globalisation and neo-liberalism on ordinary lower and middle income earners in Europe and the millions across the country plunged into precarity.

    Fair enough. I disagree but I'll not derail the thread as it's about immigrants.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #86
    12Phase
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    Well, not too many countries still have the bishops of their established church sitting in their upper house.

    Makeup of the House of Lords:

    Lords Spiritual: The 26 Bishops of the Church of England.

    Lords Temporal: Majority are appointed to the house for life by the PM via the Queen.
    Also 92 hereditary peers are entitled to sit in the house and of those about 19 actually do!

    Their current Government is also basically a bunch of old Etonians. It's so old-school-tie it's actually frightening.

    For them to call almost any other system 'elitist' is frankly a bit hypocritical.

    When you think about it, what aspect of the EU isn't democratic?

    The Council of Ministers / Council of the European Union is the national governments of each country represented by the relevant line minister for the topic being discussed or by their executive head of state (PM/President).

    The Commissioners are appointees put in place by the elected governments of each member state. That's basically election by parliament acting as an electoral college, much like a PM or Minister is appointed.

    The fact that many countries send people to Brussels to get rid of them, is just an indictment of national governments, not the EU. If we took commission appointments a bit more seriously it would improve things a lot.

    There's absolutely nothing to stop Ireland for example throwing the appointment of a commissioner into the public forum with a vote. The EU doesn't specify how we choose them, just that the Government sends one.

    Then you've got the European Parliament which is directly elected by the citizens.
    ...

    It's remote due to its scale, and the media often treat it with utter contempt, but it's not really undemocratic. If we took it more seriously and actually used the democratic tools that we have available like maybe debating who is going to be appointed commissioner, then maybe it would make a lot more sense.


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    #87
    The_Kew_Tour
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    humour us. s?

    My point proven


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    #88
    First Up
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    FTA69 wrote:
    Secondly I believe that Corbyn's Labour can possibly win an election in Britain and the majority of his policies around nationalising power and rail will be made extremely difficult if not impossible due to EU competition laws.


    So you think that outside the EU, the UK can become a socialist paradise, immune from the malign influence of global commerce?

    I can see why you like Corbyn.


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    FTA69
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    My point proven

    This is the thing though, you've stated that Khan is a terrorist supporter but when asked to provide a shred of evidence you've flatly and continually refused to and then tried to say it's because you wouldn't be listened to anyway.

    That's ridiculous.


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    #90
    The_Kew_Tour
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    This is the thing though, you've stated that Khan is a terrorist supporter but when asked to provide a shred of evidence you've flatly and continually refused to and then tried to say it's because you wouldn't be listened to anyway.

    That's ridiculous.

    You saying David Cameron is a liar?

    Be won't like that


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    ohnonotgmail
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    You saying David Cameron is a liar?

    Be won't like that

    Has david cameron claimed that khan is a terrorist supporter? have you a link to that? if he did say it would have been reported in mainstream media. Oh wait, it was and cameron has since recanted. I'd say cameron had about as much evidence as you did when he made that claim.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-calls-sadiq-khan-proud-muslim-weeks-after-linking-him-to-islamic-extremist-a7056321.html


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