10 shot dead at Batman showing in Denver

meoklmrk91 · 20-07-2012 12:33pm

Deleted User wrote: »

can anyone sum up what happened ? please so i dnt have to read 14 pages am shocked watching live on sky news

Timeline on Reddit posted earlier in the thread.

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/wv8t1/comprehensive_timeline_aurora_massacre/

From the same timeline:
5:27: hgmanifold: Bomb squad is requesting a Ladder Truck and 30ft boom with "cherry picker"

JohnMarston · 20-07-2012 12:33pm

Grand_Rajnah wrote: »

You'd kinda wonder what sort of frame of mind someone has to be in to do something like that.

Not an ounce of humanity left in him i reckon. Him and Brevik should share a cell

danniemcq · 20-07-2012 12:34pm

Deleted User wrote: »

can anyone sum up what happened ? please so i dnt have to read 14 pages am shocked watching live on sky news

here is a timeline taken from reddit

ABSTRACT

Shooting at the AMC Century Cinema: map, local police scanner.

Theater 9 (epicenter), Theater 8 (some hit), Theater 16 (people heard tear gas canisters)

ALL TIMES IN MDT, AM

1:27: "Bring as much crime scene tape as you can"

1:28: Aurora PD merging communications with Denver PD

1:35: Shooter wearing green camo pants

1:37: bomb squad is there, bringing in K-9 units. possible other bombs

1:40: 18 ambulances on scene

1:41: 9news story posted.

1:42: "All ten people in the theater are black." In this context, it means fatalities.

1:43: Report of a bomb going off in a theater.

1:45: Patients being transported to Denver Health

1:47: Command staff briefing. This is huge.

1:49: Car, Tennesee plates, Hyundai, license 074-VPD. third to west, in front of doors. Possible bomb. Main entrances of mall covered. Bomb squad moving in.

1:53: Canine units coordinating at SE entrance between JC Penney's and the food court. May be a bomb in there. Theory that bombs may be in front of theater.

1:55: New evidence for shooters. That's plural. Theater 8, the shooter was seated. One more was outside, went into Theater 9. Coordinated attack. Two shooters. Open door discovered at mall. Suspicion of bomb in there.

1:56: One shooter at large, one in custody. From Facebook: Someone set off some little party poppers in our theatre, next thing I know someone runs in and said there was a shooting. We huddled down into the seats because people were outside the exit. I was fortunate enough to get home safely with my sister but a few friends are still stuck there.

1:57: Due to bombs, police relocating all units to S of Dillard's. Open door was in Macy's. Suspicions of bombs there.

2:01: Submitted to Reddit. Second device possibly found, setting up a "unified command"

2:06: On /r/denver.

Comment from ThePenguinist: My best friend was at this. She said it happened about 30-40 minutes into the midnight premiere. Someone burst through the door and started shooting tear gas and then a gun. The only reason they got out was because they hit the ground and went for the door on their bellies. OMFG.

2:04: MSNBC tweets the story.

2:06: Secondary explosive device found in front of theater

2:08: Bringing K-9 unit to the command post.

2:14: Indian male found as witness. People (witnesses) moving to the food court entrance

2:18: Witnesses being transported to Gateway High School. There are 100 witnesses.

2:26: Story on MSNBC here

2:28: Theatre 9 going to Gateway HS. Everyone else is triaged. No vehicles allowed to leave. Witnesses being photographs.

2:30: Water jugs being moved.

2:36: Called the Denver Batman massacre by the Belfas Telegraph

2:42: "Possible older cop car-type seen fleeing the scene"

2:45: Which ambulances going where: 5 to Denver, 14 to University, 4 to Children's, 3 to Aurora South, 2 to Parker, 2 to Swedish

2:47: From 9News: 15 mins into movie, popping heard. People thought it was part of the movie. Saw material coming through the wall. Chaotic. Caused a scramble. Several injured people escorted into ambulances. Flow of ambulances slowed down, flow of police has not. SWAT teams there. Theater 9: Guy in body armor. "One of the largest scenes I've seen in my journalistic career."

2:52: Several police cars surrounding a vehicle. Possible explosive devices inside.

2:54: Tuned in to the 9News stream.

2:58: Newscast from Gateway HS. Witness is talking. People heard explosions and gunfire. No idea what happened. One shooter had a gas mask and was throwing tear gas.

2:59: Scanners report knife pulled on someone. WAY far away from theater. May be unrelated.

3:01: Someone reporting hand pain outside the theater.

3:02: Confirmed: At least 10 killed, 39 injured. Theaters 8 and 9 were sold out, and that's where the shooting took place. 9News confirms that one person is in custody.

3:02: Nothing found inside the mall so far. Dogs coming out.

3:06: Witness interview from earlier being replayed. Witness in Theater 9 was young woman. She described a man about 6' tall kicked through the door in a riot helmet and bulletproof vest. He was completely covered in all black, with goggles. After that, she and her boyfriend dropped to the floor. They got up, ran through the emergency exit. Shooter made his way up the stairs and started shooting people with the shotgun.

3:10: News is stalling until the police chief address.

3:15: Press conference: Gas released, gunman opened fire. Only know of one gunman. Police officers respond, find the gunman outside of the theater, carrying gas mask, rifle, handgun. One additional weapon found inside. 50 were hit. 14 confirmed dead.

3:15: elcooleric comments from the shooting.

3:30: AR-15 was the gun potentially used. One shooter or two? Many questions and very few answers other than a new death toll after the press conference. Keep your thoughts with the victims and their families.

3:42: More testimonies. Babies and small girls shot. News anchors getting emotional. Reports that the suspect had explosives in his apartment, which is also being searched.

3:48: Another /r/denver post from WaterSnake: here

3:49: More confirmation. 14 dead. 50 injured.

3:58: damian001 finds a video of the shooters aftermath. Warning, graphic contents. mirrored

4:01: We beat 9News on the video. The video is extremely slightly graphic, and they aren't showing it with audio.

4:04: "No reason to believe there is a second gunman"

4:06: 10 died at the theater, 4 died at the hospital. 50 others had injuries.

4:13: 911 calls and police radio being played. They're talking about the tear gas.

4:30: 15 people confirmed dead. 9News may have been was hoaxed.

4:35: President Barack Obama notified about the shooting.

4:36: derphurr updates: a man was shot in Kia outside theater, police spotted man in gas mask (the suspect) in parking lot outside the back of the movie theater after the shooting, police found suspect by his car in the parking lot

4:37: Another witness interview. Person's friend shot, but not fatally. "All I can do is pray."

4:41: nilicule links the Denver 7News broadcast.

4:46: Children's hospital in Aurora treating six victims aged 6 to 31; Chik-fil-a is opening for officers that need restrooms/food

4:48: mkyweriga: Officer reports Navy Petty Officer inquiring about a US Navy Sailor being killed in the incident. Officers are unaware of the identities of any of the victims at this time.

4:50: mkyweriga: Mall is cleared, floor cleaner released from police custody.

4:55: Just called 9News about this timeline. Today Show has cancelled their show. Michael Phelps sends his condolences.

5:04: White House releases a statement offering condolences: nilicule here

5:10: Youngest patient at University hospital is 3 months old, according to a tweet

5:15: I found a Wikipedia page about the shootings.

5:16: nilicule: Good Morning America reports at least 100 FBI agents are on scene in Aurora, Colorado.

5:17: hgmanifold: Car cleared by bomb squad, clearing backpacks.

5:19: yelhsa87: Video of police describing shootings.

5:25: nilicule: Eyewitness tells @todayshow that gunman was dressed in SWAT-like outfit, methodically shot people as they tried to exit room. Another walk-in victim at University (hgmanifold).

5:26: Deus_Viator: Two eyewitnesses on 9News say that 2 gas canisters were thrown from separate locations in the theater. Maybe multiple gunmen? EDIT: I've been following this since 1:30 and it seemed like multiple gunmen around then. Take with a grain of salt. For now.

5:27: hgmanifold: Bomb squad is requesting a Ladder Truck and 30ft boom with "cherry picker"

5:28: Mitt Romney: 'Ann and I are deeply saddened by the news of the senseless violence that took the lives of 15 people in Colorado'

you can get the updated one here

20-07-2012 12:34pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

14 dead now :eek:

sadly

this doesnt surprise me how often to you see this from america gun attacts in army bases school colleges

Lollipops23 · 20-07-2012 12:34pm

smash wrote: »

Here we go... an analyst on sky news says that these kind of dark films attract people with a dark outlook. :rolleyes:

Oh for goodness sake. The last one actually featured next to no blood, so as to keep it within the Certifcate (AFAIK). It was more of a psychological thriller.

I love when idiot right wingers start blaming stuff like this on things they know nothing about.

old hippy · 20-07-2012 12:35pm

smash wrote: »

Here we go... an analyst on sky news says that these kind of dark films attract people with a dark outlook. :rolleyes:

That's Sky's agenda, innit. Same is said about comics, manga, video games and so on. Lazy populist journalism at it's nadir.

20-07-2012 12:36pm

on sky news just now what does she mean by cult film ?

old hippy · 20-07-2012 12:37pm

bluewolf wrote: »

Would the volume of the movie not be a bit high for a baby? I don't really know, but if i sometimes find it uncomfy would they not

When we went to see Spiderman 3, the fellow in front of us brought his 3 yr old daughter with him. Throughout the film the kid kept saying "Daddy, I'm scared" over and over. She was crying and he just kept telling her to "shut up".

Bad Panda · 20-07-2012 12:37pm

old hippy wrote: »

Tighten up gun control. Life sentence meaning life with no chance of parole in these situations. And tackle root problems of social ostracisation and bullying which often (though not necessarily in this case) lead to people being so remote from reality that they carry out such atrocities.

Slavering over retribution and more bloodletting and satisfying knee jerk, populist urges is counter productive and brings you down closer to the level of the perp or perps.

Tightening gun laws, tackling the root of the problem should be done in any case, regardless.

We're not saying torture the pr!ck and let that be it. Anyone, who commits such crime should be made an example of in the extreme, in conjunction with gun laws etc.

It doesn't bring us closer to the perp. Nobody here who do that to an innocent person, let alone a 3 month old baby.

The liberal argument of 'we're as bad as he is' is total nonsense.

I believe in harsher punishment than jail and to 'let him reflect'. People like this don't care at all. I seriously doubt there'd be much reflection in such cases.

old hippy · 20-07-2012 12:38pm

Deleted User wrote: »

on sky news just now what does she mean by cult film ?

Films that Sky news presenters don't watch, I imagine

Micky Dolenz · 20-07-2012 12:38pm

danniemcq wrote: »

think everyone else in the cinema might need a pair if the baby starts crying. and it wouldn't just be the sound but the movie is gonna be fairly dark and suddenly the whole screen lights up in an explosion and the speakers rock and shake the chair.

I know this topic is dragging the thread off topic but it was also midmight over there, should baby not have been in bed?

I don't know.

It certainly isn't my place to judge the parenting of a mother who only a few hours ago lost her child to a lunatic gun man.

20-07-2012 12:38pm

so this guy caught now not ? on the run

Basq · 20-07-2012 12:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

on sky news just now what does she mean by cult film ?

Cult due to it's large dedicated fanbase I'm guessing..

.. myself included!

Dave! · 20-07-2012 12:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

so this guy caught now not ? on the run

He's in custody

20-07-2012 12:41pm

but is anyone surprised really this is common these masacres in USA

Nailz · 20-07-2012 12:42pm

My thoughts are with the family and friends of the dead.

This somewhat dampens my excitement of going to see the Dark Knight Rises, me being a big fan of Batman, knowing this shit has happen.

old hippy · 20-07-2012 12:43pm

Bad Panda wrote: »

Tightening gun laws, tackling the root of the problem should be done in any case, regardless.

We're not saying torture the pr!ck and let that be it. Anyone, who commits such crime should be made an example of in the extreme, in conjunction with gun laws etc.

It doesn't bring us closer to the perp. Nobody here who do that to an innocent person, let alone a 3 month old baby.

The liberal argument of 'we're as bad as he is' is total nonsense.

I believe in harsher punishment than jail and to 'let him reflect'. People like this don't care at all. I seriously doubt there'd be much reflection in such cases.

And who would carry out the punishment? You? Would it satisfy you enough, long term? Would it solve anything at all?

Your tired use of the term "liberal" as an umbrella term for a very serious social malaise shows you don't "care at all", in fact. Seems to me, that's lazy point scoring at it's worst.

Tombi! · 20-07-2012 12:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

on sky news just now what does she mean by cult film ?

I'm not watching it but usually a cult film is one that isn't very popular but has it's appeal. Clockwork Orange is one. Donnie Darko. Stuff that isn't wolrd wide popular but you could easily find groups of people that love it.

20-07-2012 12:44pm

Nailz wrote: »

My thoughts are with the family and friends of the dead.

This somewhat dampens my excitement of going to see the Dark Knight Rises, me being a big fan of Batman, knowing this shit has happen.

ive seen all movies so far and one season 4 of the animated series making my up to batman beyond , the batman . batman brave and the bold & next years series beware the batman

Suryavarman · 20-07-2012 12:45pm

davet82 wrote: »

when is the last time they got to vote on it though? (idk honest question)

Don't know about voting but polls show that support for gun control is at an all time low in America.

20-07-2012 12:45pm

50 hit 14 dead 10 injured

so sad updated

The Big Red Button · 20-07-2012 12:46pm

tajd wrote: »

50 hit 14 dead 10 injured so sad updated

How could 26 have been hit but not injured?

Basq · 20-07-2012 12:48pm

chatterpillar wrote: »

How could 26 have been hit but not injured?

Presumably 10 critically injured..

TheGimp · 20-07-2012 12:48pm

I lived in Denver for a year. Have been to this very cinema. Always felt safe over there, never felt intimidated or witnessed any trouble. That same year there were more murders in Limerick than in Denver.

20-07-2012 12:49pm

usa going crazy they think there lots of terrorists its just one random crazy man

old hippy · 20-07-2012 12:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

but is anyone surprised really this is common these masacres in USA

And in China, where schoolkids have oft been targetted by individuals with a grudge. It's part of a wider sickness in the big societies out there.

It's not surprising in the sense that violence is losing its ability to shock and is becoming the norm in a way. Violent wars, violent entertainment, macho cultures, violence in the home, bullying and so forth. If you want to be a pessimist, you could say violence is all around us. If.

That said, I don't want to be a pessimist. There are underlying problems that lead to spontaneous (and planned) violence. Most people don't resort to it. We're not on the brink and the end of civilisation hasn't happened just yet.

stephendevlin · 20-07-2012 12:49pm

davet82 wrote: »

when is the last time they got to vote on it though? (idk honest question)

Seems hey have proposals all the time /concealment / crossing state lines / use of deadly force

Laws at the moment

Colorado allows a person to carry a firearm in a vehicle, loaded or unloaded, if its use is for lawful protection of such person or another's person or property. [C.R.S. 18-12-105(2)] Colorado law also allows a person to possess a handgun in a dwelling, place of business, or automobile. However, you cannot carry the weapon concealed on or about your person while transporting it into your home, business, hotel room, etc. Local jurisdictions may not enact laws that restrict a person's ability to travel with a weapon. [C.R.S. 18-12-105.6] The Act permits the nationwide carrying of concealed handguns by qualified current and retired law enforcement officers and amends the Gun Control Act of 1968 (Pub. L. 90-618, 82 Stat. 1213) to exempt qualified current and retired law enforcement officers from state and local laws prohibiting the carry of concealed firearms.

ScumLord · 20-07-2012 12:49pm

danniemcq wrote: »

think everyone else in the cinema might need a pair if the baby starts crying. and it wouldn't just be the sound but the movie is gonna be fairly dark and suddenly the whole screen lights up in an explosion and the speakers rock and shake the chair.

I know this topic is dragging the thread off topic but it was also midmight over there, should baby not have been in bed?

Babies don't always go at predictable times. I think this attack on the mother is a bit stupid. It's a dick head move bringing a baby into a theatre because the baby is going to annoy everyone else if it starts screaming. It's not child cruelty though. The child has no understanding of what's going on shouting and explosions are just noise to the child in that setting and there's no reason to think it wouldn't act more like a car journey sending them to sleep.

Basq · 20-07-2012 12:50pm

Police chief confirming AT LEAST 12 dead, now necessarily 14 or 15 as reported.

meoklmrk91 · 20-07-2012 12:50pm

Confirmed dead at least 12, revised from 14.

20-07-2012 12:50pm

TheGimp wrote: »

I lived in Denver for a year. Have been to this very cinema. Always felt safe over there, never felt intimidated or witnessed any trouble. That same year there were more murders in Limerick than in Denver.

i am from limerick its a beautiful place people are really friendly yes we had a rough patch for along time :mad: it just a few bad eggs ruined it for the rest of us

old hippy · 20-07-2012 12:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

usa going crazy they think there lots of terrorists its just one random crazy man

No, the USA is not going crazy. News outlets are doing their usual rolling news schtick and there will be sensationalism and speculation (like here) until we have all the facts.

danniemcq · 20-07-2012 12:50pm

chatterpillar wrote: »

How could 26 have been hit but not injured?

walking wounded.

The ones taken to hospital would be classed as injured etc. Others could have been grazes or ricochets.

That or they are injured but the rest are in a serious condition/left threatening.

20-07-2012 12:51pm

Basq wrote: »

Police chief confirming AT LEAST 12 dead, now necessarily 14 or 15 as reported.

lets hope this number goes lower and lower

danniemcq · 20-07-2012 12:52pm

Just heard on the scanner that there has been an armed robbery in the area too. I guess all the lowlifes in the area now are seeing the cops are all to busy to look at anything else so they are having a field day.

2 guys sorry actually

20-07-2012 12:52pm

when this guy was finished attacking the cinema did he give himself up ? to police

old hippy · 20-07-2012 12:52pm

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I'm not watching it but usually a cult film is one that isn't very popular but has it's appeal. Clockwork Orange is one. Donnie Darko. Stuff that isn't wolrd wide popular but you could easily find groups of people that love it.

The power of cinema, eh? You probably know that in the UK, on Stanley Kubrick's say so, Clockwork Orange was taken off the screens here, following acts of violence and brutality allegedly inspired by said film.

Bad Panda · 20-07-2012 12:53pm

old hippy wrote: »

And who would carry out the punishment? You? Would it satisfy you enough, long term? Would it solve anything at all?

Your tired use of the term "liberal" as an umbrella term for a very serious social malaise shows you don't "care at all", in fact. Seems to me, that's lazy point scoring at it's worst.

Not me personally, but I'm sure it would satisfy the mother and father of that 3 month old baby that was so callously murdered for no reason.

Tired use? I've used it once.

I'm not trying to score points. I simply believe people aren't punished enough for these types for crimes.

20-07-2012 12:55pm

wtf is a 3 months old baby and a 6 year old doing at a batman movie

stevenmu · 20-07-2012 12:55pm

Bad Panda wrote: »

Not me personally, but I'm sure it would satisfy the mother and father of that 3 month old baby that was so callously murdered for no reason.

Has it been confirmed that the 3 month old has died?

Basq · 20-07-2012 12:56pm

stevenmu wrote: »

Has it been confirmed that the 3 month old has died?

Not that I know of.. no.

Bad Panda · 20-07-2012 12:56pm

stevenmu wrote: »

Has it been confirmed that the 3 month old has died?

I heard on the report that a woman saw a baby being shot dead at close range...I assumed the baby died...but guess not?

Either way...

meoklmrk91 · 20-07-2012 12:56pm

stevenmu wrote: »

Has it been confirmed that the 3 month old has died?

Nope just that they are being treated.

20-07-2012 12:57pm

jesus sky news over hyping this arent they you swear it was 9/11 all over again

danniemcq · 20-07-2012 12:58pm

Deleted User wrote: »

when this guy was finished attacking the cinema did he give himself up ? to police

no details yet

20-07-2012 12:58pm

bad parents brings a 6 yr old and a 3 month old to a batman movie

old hippy · 20-07-2012 12:58pm

Bad Panda wrote: »

Not me personally, but I'm sure it would satisfy the mother and father of that 3 month old baby that was so callously murdered for no reason.

Tired use? I've used it once.

I'm not trying to score points. I simply believe people aren't punished enough for these types for crimes.

Why all the focus on the baby? Aren't all the victims worthy of compassion?

What type of punishment would be enough, in these kinds of incidents?

Is State sponsored murder/torture more respectable than street/random murder?

20-07-2012 1:00pm

im watching on bbc news 24 now i cant stand adam boulton on sky news

20-07-2012 1:01pm

Deleted User wrote: »

bad parents brings a 6 yr old and a 3 month old to a batman movie

oh give over FFS

mup · 20-07-2012 1:01pm

Some of the comments here are sickening. I don't expect to change the outlook of someone who has a defective enough personality to make such comments. I've never understood the premise of trolling, it's certainly not for well educated or intelligent people. It seems to have its roots in shocking people with outlandish comments. You have an anonymous username and nobody knows who you are, what enjoyment can you get from shocking people who have no idea who you are? Your only impact is to annoy people with sick jokes. If your 'coping mechanism' is 'gallows humour' then surely there is somewhere else ye can all be moved, where people of a decent moral grounding, empathy and compassion don't have to be upset by your comments.

Using multiple killings as a base for a cheap laugh is disgusting. I understand humour is subjective and I would consider myself quite dark but to make light of a shooting like this where a baby has suffered really forces me to wonder where we, as a society, are headed. I realise time will pass and jokes will be made about this but in the immediate aftermath it is tactless.

I know I don't know any of these people personally and have no way of proving but I would imagine that they lead very sad lives or no lives outside of internet chatrooms and forums at all if this is how they choose to interact. I know I will be the subject of their vitriol now and I accept that but I couldn't read those comments without saying my piece.

My more pressing concern is how the US will react to this. I hope that it will be a catalyst for changing gun legislation but fear it will be swept under the rug under the heading of "Terrorism/Extremism". Nobody can comment for certain but I do believe if it were not for the easy availability and lax restrictions on firearms possession in America, this would not have happened.

10 shot dead at Batman showing in Denver

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