Lisbon Treaty - Exit Poll

ParkRunner · 02-10-2009 4:07pm

breakingnews.ie has a poll with 908 votes tied at 46% each. The bookies still seem convinced it will easily pass

prinz · 02-10-2009 4:08pm

jonnyfingers wrote: »

I also hope if the Yes vote wins the government does not try and claim that this is a sign of support for them. I think they're the most incompetent shower of corrupt wasters ever let run a country and I hope to see the last of them at the next general election.

Absolutely. IMO you'd be hard pressed to find anyone on these boards advocating a yes vote today who'd also advocate keeping the government in power.

marco_polo · 02-10-2009 4:12pm

prinz wrote: »

Absolutely. IMO you'd be hard pressed to find anyone on these boards advocating a yes vote today who'd also advocate keeping the government in power.

Indeed, if only Nama had happened after a few weeks after the Anglo-Irish treaty the civil war might never have happened.

notGill · 02-10-2009 4:16pm

I made my own "maybe" box

Gadfly · 02-10-2009 4:24pm

No. Voted at 9 this morning. They said voting was slow.

ei.sdraob · 02-10-2009 4:31pm

cornbb wrote: »

Hooray! Good for you man. And don't worry, the yes and no sides will quickly be reunited, whatever the outcome, to get the government the hell outta office

thats one thing we all agree on

amen!

Peckham · 02-10-2009 4:32pm

I'm heading off to vote shortly, and it's a definite YES (as it was in Lisbon 1 also).

Was briefly tempted to change my vote to a No, as I agreed with the "No means No" argument and am not convinced there's much of substance in the "guarantees" Ireland got.

However, the campaigning on the No side really turned me against it. Not sure which side has muddied the waters more, but it seemed to me that the claims of the No side seemed more far-fetched than those on the Yes side (i.e. I don't think that voting Yes will bring about more jobs or economic recovery, but I think it's more likely to do so than it is to reduce the minimum wage to €1.85 or be the deathknell for democracy (incidentally, didn't we have democracy before 1916?). Anyway, I personally think it's only fair that Germany and France should have a bigger say in Europe than we do.

Similarly those behind the No vote made me too suspicious of their motives. The only one I respect in any way is Joe Higgins. I despise Sinn Fein, and don't know who exactly Libertas and Coir are, but I don't like what my instinct is telling me about them.

The final nail in the coffin of any No vote I might have cast was when I opened the Irish Indo yesterday and saw those two incomprehensible ads. What on earth were they about?

ei.sdraob · 02-10-2009 4:35pm

Peckham wrote: »

incidentally, didn't we have democracy before 1916?

i could swear I read in history books in school that Greeks invented democracy back few thousand years ago, last i checked Greece was in Europe

i suppose Ganley didnt read the same history and geography books in his school

:cool:

them libertas posters are a terrible joke

motherFocker · 02-10-2009 4:38pm

Peckham wrote: »

I'm heading off to vote shortly, and it's a definite YES (as it was in Lisbon 1 also).

Was briefly tempted to change my vote to a No, as I agreed with the "No means No" argument and am not convinced there's much of substance in the "guarantees" Ireland got.

However, the campaigning on the No side really turned me against it. Not sure which side has muddied the waters more, but it seemed to me that the claims of the No side seemed more far-fetched than those on the Yes side (i.e. I don't think that voting Yes will bring about more jobs or economic recovery, but I think it's more likely to do so than it is to reduce the minimum wage to €1.85 or be the deathknell for democracy (incidentally, didn't we have democracy before 1916?). Anyway, I personally think it's only fair that Germany and France should have a bigger say in Europe than we do.

Similarly those behind the No vote made me too suspicious of their motives. The only one I respect in any way is Joe Higgins. I despise Sinn Fein, and don't know who exactly Libertas and Coir are, but I don't like what my instinct is telling me about them.

The final nail in the coffin of any No vote I might have cast was when I opened the Irish Indo yesterday and saw those two incomprehensible ads. What on earth were they about?

My man. Forget about all the idiots on either side and stick to your principles. Just coz one tool says no and another tool says yes, they have nothing to do with the core issue at hand. Democracy. Goodluck.

Drumpot · 02-10-2009 4:39pm

notGill wrote: »

I made my own "maybe" box

LOL . . You read my mind . .

Reasons to vote no:

1. I will not be shocked or scared into voting yes because I want ireland to be in europe
2. I will not be guilted into voting yes because "europes been good to me"
3. I will not vote yes because we will be isolated with a no vote

Reasons to Vote yes:

1. I will not be told that I will loose control of my country without proper, factual proof that this is a definite
2. I will not be feared into a no vote because of shocking minimum wage posters
3. I will not vote no because of things that arent in it, that have nothing to do with the treaty.

For me, its not an open and shut case . . One thing I wont do is trust what I am being told by either "campaigns" as these Campaigns are not about educating, they are about convincing . .

Rb · 02-10-2009 4:41pm

motherFocker wrote: »

My man. Forget about all the idiots on either side and stick to your principles. Just coz one tool says no and another tool says yes, they have nothing to do with the core issue at hand. Democracy. Goodluck.

rabble rabble rabble.

Good luck.

ei.sdraob · 02-10-2009 4:42pm

motherFocker wrote: »

Democracy. Goodluck.

R.I.P

Irish Democracy 1916-2009

spongeman · 02-10-2009 4:42pm

Voted no, as I did the last time

motherFocker · 02-10-2009 4:43pm

Rb wrote: »

rabble rabble rabble.

Good luck.

Are still reading that Treaty?:)

Rb · 02-10-2009 4:45pm

motherFocker wrote: »

Are still reading that Treaty?:)

No, I'm reading something that actually does make me fear for the future of this country:

Your posts

:pac:

motherFocker · 02-10-2009 4:50pm

Rb wrote: »

No, I'm reading something that actually does make me fear for the future of this country:
Your posts

:pac:

LOL. Nice.

ynotdu · 02-10-2009 4:53pm

I reserve my right to NOT say how i voted!
but may i introduce the Irish people to Their next President?
I wonder will President Mc Aleese have to move into a B&B during his visits?and that Cherie wan will most likely change the Curtains for starters!:pac::pac::pac::D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DoUT7GmmRM

PopeBuckfastXVI · 02-10-2009 4:55pm

What's going on with the poll? Surging ahead with yes's.

I have a theory on it actually. I've noticed the absence of a lot of very vocal 'no' side supporters over the last month or so, I'm thinking of a few names in my head, but don't want to say them. Is it possible that they have quietly converted to 'yes' but not had the same Damascene type conversion that Rb had? Maybe they just quietly decided not to argue for a 'No' any more, and vote yes in the privacy of their own consciences.

That or the shills are no longer on salary...

Rb · 02-10-2009 4:55pm

@ynotdu: You can choose to not tell us, but it's blatantly obvious, unless this is a joke.

PrivateEye · 02-10-2009 4:56pm

No Means No, voted and then got some of the older neighbours down to the polling centre too.

motherFocker · 02-10-2009 4:56pm

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

What's going on with the poll? Surging ahead with yes's.

I have a theory on it actually. I've noticed the absence of a lot of very vocal 'no' side supporters over the last month or so, I'm thinking of a few names in my head, but don't want to say them. Is it possible that they have quietly converted to 'yes' but not had the same Damascene type conversion that Rb had? Maybe they just quietly decided not to argue for a 'No' any more, and vote yes in the privacy of their own consciences.

That or the shills are no longer on salary...

They are working.

zuchum · 02-10-2009 4:59pm

Yes indeed.

USE · 02-10-2009 5:00pm

I believe in you, Ireland

Diom · 02-10-2009 5:01pm

PrivateEye wrote: »

No Means No, voted and then got some of the older neighbours down to the polling centre too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brj2UkUPjCI

My name is URL · 02-10-2009 5:01pm

Just to retain a glimmer of hope for those on the No side, have a look at the poll on breakingnews.ie

sample size is over 1000, and at the time of posting this it's completly even between the 2 sides

DeVore · 02-10-2009 5:04pm

motherFocker wrote: »

They are working.

I'm manipulating the figures behind the scenes.... (sorry, couldnt resist ... thats for the CTers out there).

There are any number of reasons why the numbers might fluctuate. I'm sticking to my 53/47 prediction.

DeV.

ynotdu · 02-10-2009 5:04pm

Rb wrote: »

@ynotdu: You can choose to not tell us, but it's blatantly obvious, unless this is a joke.

ei.sdraob · 02-10-2009 5:08pm

ynotdu wrote: »

I reserve my right to NOT say how i voted!
but may i introduce the Irish people to Their next President?

all hail our new (male) president!

ei.sdraob · 02-10-2009 5:09pm

My name is URL wrote: »

Just to retain a glimmer of hope for those on the No side, have a look at the poll on breakingnews.ie

sample size is over 1000, and at the time of posting this it's completly even between the 2 sides

their poll or their script is broken

i voted twice trice on that site now

PrivateEye · 02-10-2009 5:10pm

Diom wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brj2UkUPjCI

I don't "get" this to be honest?

My family always do this, in elections too. 7 or 8 older neighbours. Pretty standard grassroots affair, not a million miles from the days of the 'Sinn Fein Bus' (I remember the 'Gus Bus' too, as a local councillor called it!)

If you're implying it was a xenophobic vote, considering I'm a committed anti-fascist, then nope. It was two fingers to an undemocratic referendum, two fingers to IBEC and their endorsement of a Treaty they feel would 'liberalise education', and two fingers to a certain CEO.

ei.sdraob · 02-10-2009 5:11pm

DeVore wrote: »

I'm manipulating the figures behind the scenes....

ei.sdraob wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aBaX9GPSaQ

moondogspot · 02-10-2009 5:14pm

My name is URL wrote: »

Just to retain a glimmer of hope for those on the No side, have a look at the poll on breakingnews.ie

sample size is over 1000, and at the time of posting this it's completly even between the 2 sides

Politics.ie is far far ahead with a No.;)

PopeBuckfastXVI · 02-10-2009 5:16pm

moondogspot wrote: »

Politics.ie is far far ahead with a No.;)

:eek:

moondogspot · 02-10-2009 5:17pm

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

:eek:

Meaning, there's no need to get carried away with the ''poll'' here, which I think some are.;)

motherFocker · 02-10-2009 5:18pm

moondogspot wrote: »

Meaning, there's no need to get carried away with the ''poll'' here, which I think some are.;)

u got stats?

moondogspot · 02-10-2009 5:20pm

motherFocker wrote: »

u got stats?

Look at the how did you vote section in politics.ie. It should tell one enough.

PopeBuckfastXVI · 02-10-2009 5:21pm

moondogspot wrote: »

Meaning, there's no need to get carried away with the ''poll'' here, which I think some are.;)

I don't know that I am, I'm merely interested in the discrepancy between this "poll" and previous "polls"'s, and not extrapolating to a national result. Like I said I haven't even voted in this one myself (or any of the previous ones, for that matter).

P.S. Why are we quoting the word "poll" like this?

motherFocker · 02-10-2009 5:24pm

moondogspot wrote: »

Look at the how did you vote section in politics.ie. It should tell one enough.

How did this 'poll' compare to politics.ie the last we were not listened to?

ynotdu · 02-10-2009 5:24pm

I have been having this recurring nightmare since the debate began!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RpSv3HjpEw

motherFocker · 02-10-2009 5:27pm

ynotdu wrote: »

I have been having this recurring nightmare since the debate began!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RpSv3HjpEw

I didnt know that.:D

Scofflaw · 02-10-2009 5:27pm

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

I don't know that I am, I'm merely interested in the discrepancy between this "poll" and previous "polls"'s, and not extrapolating to a national result. Like I said I haven't even voted in this one myself (or any of the previous ones, for that matter).

P.S. Why are we quoting the word "poll" like this?

A poll that produces a result you don't like is a "poll". Otherwise it's just a poll.

cordially,
Scofflaw

marco_polo · 02-10-2009 5:33pm

Example a tom dunne text in is a poll. An mrbi survey is a "poll"

Thrill · 02-10-2009 5:37pm

motherFocker wrote: »

I didnt know that.:D

Yes you did. You just didn't know that you did.

motherFocker · 02-10-2009 5:39pm

Thrill wrote: »

Yes you did. You just didn't know that you did.

No I did know that. But I didnt know, that you knew that I didnt know. But I know that now.......asf.afsdaf

AtomicHorror · 02-10-2009 5:40pm

Still haven't made it to the polling station. Working late...

PrivateEye wrote: »

I don't "get" this to be honest?

My family always do this, in elections too. 7 or 8 older neighbours. Pretty standard grassroots affair, not a million miles from the days of the 'Sinn Fein Bus' (I remember the 'Gus Bus' too, as a local councillor called it!)

If you're implying it was a xenophobic vote, considering I'm a committed anti-fascist, then nope. It was two fingers to an undemocratic referendum, two fingers to IBEC and their endorsement of a Treaty they feel would 'liberalise education', and two fingers to a certain CEO.

You do realise you weren't voting for Ryanair, right? Would you put your hand in a fire if Michael O'Leary and IBEC told you not to?

Were you giving two fingers to anything actually in the treaty?

USE · 02-10-2009 5:41pm

worldclass wrote: »

and the most active poll on Facebook has:

Yes 2,362 47.89 %

No 2,172 44.04 %

Could I get a link please?

DeVore · 02-10-2009 5:43pm

Last time our prediction was within 0.2% of the actual outcome. I dont think this will be as accuracte because its not as big (I think we had about 2k people then) but we were scarily accurate.

When do polling stations close? I think we are in for a long weekend....

DeV.

mayordenis · 02-10-2009 5:45pm

DeVore wrote: »

Last time our prediction was within 0.2% of the actual outcome. I dont think this will be as accuracte because its not as big (I think we had about 2k people then) but we were scarily accurate.

When do polling stations close? I think we are in for a long weekend....

DeV.

10 tonight with counting beginning at 9 in the morning or so I am led to believe.

USE · 02-10-2009 5:45pm

DeVore wrote: »

When do polling stations close?

10pm your time. 3h to go.

Frankie Lee · 02-10-2009 6:03pm

Big discrepancy with the how do you intend to vote poll so far, hopefully that changes soon.

Lisbon Treaty - Exit Poll

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