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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    @[Deleted User] yes , as much progress as was allowed given funding and cutbacks .

    And that poster I was replying to discounted all the moderate healthcare professionals who want maskwearing " encouraged " in areas that were already meant to be enocouraged.

    Nobody that I know or work with wants anything mandatory .

    However our totally hands off Health Minister has not said a word until today.

    The cmo is gone to pleasanter fields .



  • Administrators Posts: 55,179 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Apologies if I have been unclear, but all along here I have been talking about introducing masks at a macro level in Ireland being useless, not on an individual level. Of course if someone buys the best mask, and is careful about how they wear it, and adheres strictly to this it will be effective, but this is not how the overwhelming majority will operate. Many of those pontificating about mask wearing (the "omg I'm the only person on the bus with a mask, we're a nation of idiots!" crowd) are pissing in the wind wearing their cloth mask, probably last washed a week ago if you're lucky. Of those people who I do still see wearing masks, the overwhelming majority are wearing the wrong sort.

    To bring back a mask mandate is a pointless exercise in virtue signalling at this point, as the health minister said (and was presumably instructed by his relevant experts) the only thing that will be effective now is severe restrictions and this is totally unwarranted.

    If people want to wear a mask to make themselves feel more comfortable or that they are contributing to society that is up to them, they should not be ridiculed for it. But suggesting that we all need to start wearing masks to solve this problem is re-arranging the deck chairs on the titanic. It won't help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Amenhotep


    I was referring to the Cafe and Hotel managers

    Not Germans in general.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    It doesn’t matter its an unnecessary and highly offensive slur to call anyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    I don't think you can back up anything in your post. Any data which will support your claims....nope.

    But strong in words there. Another freedom fighter calling others dopes. Well done.



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  • Administrators Posts: 55,179 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I'm no freedom fighter, as I said already I am pro vaccine, I was pro restrictions earlier, I was pro masks earlier in the pandemic too. But circumstances change, and they are no longer relevant, and unfortunately there are a lot of dopes on twitter and whatever else getting themselves all worked up over inconsequential things. As I've also said numerous times, if people want to wear a mask that's up to them, but moaning that everyone else isn't wearing one is genuinely daft at this point.

    The masks that the overwhelming majority of the general population wear (i.e. not the N95 / FFP2 masks) are NOT effective against the super transmissible variants like omicron. This is not even a contentious point at this stage.

    What we do know though, in locations where proper masks (i.e. n95/ffp2 masks) ARE worn, covid is rampant. One way we know this is by the fact that at least 50% of the people who have covid in healthcare settings catch it in healthcare settings, where mask wearing is extremely rigorous.

    We also know, thanks to the health minister (and presumably his expert advisors) that anything short of extreme restrictions being imposed on a macro level is a total waste of time.

    This pandemic has given quite a number of hypochondriacs a lot of public attention and I think some of them are having a hard time coming to grips with the fact that this is all coming to an end and the reality is that everyone moving on with their lives now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Masking might be rampant in those settings, only for the medical personnel. Doubt patients do the same and visitors. Anyway, claiming masks do not work based on your "data" has no credibility. It's like the poster who posted his favourite line numerous times on COVID threads but but we had 26000 cases so masks don't work..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    No need for data any more, looks like King Tony isn't for turning and the legal requirements for masks will once and for all become a welcome thing of the past by Friday.

    The people who are concerned about covid and want to force masks down our throats will have lost, no amount of howling, tweets, tv appearances and column inches will change it as new laws will need to get voted in by the Dail, and the government won't have the easy ride they had when they introduced them the first time around.

    Introducing restrictions without laws to back them up won't cut it either, they'll simply be ignored.

    The sooner we can put this bickering, pleading for enforced mask wearing and threats of restrictions behind us, the better. Wear a mask all you want, but don't force it on me.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,179 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    More people wear masks in healthcare settings than in any other setting.

    It's not just me that believes that reintroducing masks will provide no benefit, it's also the CMO among others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Wearing a mask to the toilet in a pub was a waste of time. Let's call a spade a spade here.

    You could have 10 to a table at one point, and book multiple tables, yet masks to the toilet we're supposed to be of some benefit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Who is moaning, about mask wearing, pontificating or talking a mask mandate? Only you as far as I .can see .

    What I was talking about was none of the above .

    Infection being rampant in hospitals where n95or ffp2 masksare worn is because of high community levels of disease .

    This is what happens where sick infected people are. No where to escape from it so taking off good quality masks and letting it rip in that situation is going to help , is it ?

    Yeah ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl



    As for the CMO ...he has all but left the building .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    I've been moaning about mask wearing...

    Roll on Friday when the emergency laws expire and this push for compulsory masking finally becomes a thing of the past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,860 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Prime time worried about the variant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    I've prayed for this moment for 2 years..... God help those students in Trinity, but at least we, as in the Irish public he made fools of, are finally rid of him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    I wasn't talking about rules in the pubs. Personally think this one was absolutely pointless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    I don't really care if mask mandate will be reintroduced, or not. I was pointing out you were claiming something without any evidence. Not only you. There's plenty here making assumptions and try to sell it as a hard truth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Missed this one 😊

    No ...still not what I said , but if it gets you a few thanks keep misconstruing my posts .

    In fact why quote me at all ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    Where will the covid hysterics migrate to? What else is trending as a topic for them to jump onto?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    The war in Ukraine is topical at the moment, and of course we can't forget the old reliable... climate change!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    The INMO, for one. Its been posted and linked for you many times now.


    “A range of measures must be taken now in the short to medium term including the curtailment of all non-emergency, elective care and the reintroduction of mask wearing in crowded and indoor settings. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    That's right, there is no compulsory mask wearing, and that's the way it's gonna stay too, despite the HSE & RTE pushing hard for it 😬



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Since you are in the same category, where do you plan to migrate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    That post reminded me of a long gone poster who was obsessed with masks in pubs...

    Funny, because nobody mentioned pubs till then .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,348 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Are the HSE pushing for that? Are you100% sure there Dlink ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    The only thing that really reduced spread at Christmas was people reducing contacts.

    A couple of sections of my family gathered about 6 or 8 of them for the 1-2 weeks, stayed away from pubs etc., none of them got it.

    The other side had people working in hospitality and it spread across the house, parties in neighbours houses, lots of going out to pubs etc. and it was rampant.

    Wearing masks to the supermarket or pub toilet wasn't going to make the slightest difference.

    We were getting 500000 cases a week from a population of 5 million, its obvious how ineffective masks were.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    But the firefighting won't stop.

    I saw it said today that one the biggest challenges is that the rate of admission is higher than the rate of discharge.So the Government are being called upon to look at that end of things, step down care facilities and complex care discharges.

    Covid or no covid, those problems exist and are not going away.Step down facilties for those who are infectious, but recovering from something else - should they be considered? Health care staff may be firefighting but what are all of those admin and management employed by the HSE doing?Could some not have been put to use in improving or investing or developing or whatever it wants to be called, facilities? Those are the lessons that should have been learned.

    We can all wear masks for a few weeks, sure, but the fact remains that this problem is going to happen over and over and over and enforcing mask-wearing for a few weeks won't solve it long term.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Nope it's not obvious.

    You are forgetting that there are plenty of factors in play. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying masks are 100% solution. Even if you make up numbers of cases, it still doesn't proof masks don't work. As I said to the other poster. You are making baseless assumptions.



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