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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Tony used a very narrow definition of what an incidental case is. He mentioned someone who tests positive but is asymptomatic and non-infectious, which would seem to go against public health guidelines for the general population since the start of this.

    The latest HSE figures would more closely match similar definitions from the NHS which would be covid positive but the primary care they are receiving is not for covid.

    I hope that makes sense.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Messi19


    Tony was fearmongering again. That's the only logical explanation. He knew well what he was saying



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭ShadowTech


    It completely makes sense but the poster I was responding to stated that the CMO was using “the meaning of incidental generally used in public health.”

    I’m asking the poster if there’s any source indicating this is the generally agreed upon definition in public health.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,747 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Positive or negative result wouldn't change anything for a child. The test may just upset a child , unnecessarily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Hey boy


    Sigh. This is all a bit boring and defensive tbh.

    you have apparently reported it to the boards police so leave it there please.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    I think coincidental would be a more accurate term than correlations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,702 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    One recovered from Covid . Look it up yourself . It was posted a couple of nights ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    What about people with a sniffle/sore throat (very common symptoms of omicron) who end up on a ward for a completely different reason. They would not be included in either Paul Reid's or the CMO's definition and figures.

    I much prefer the NHS definition of being primarily treated for covid. Much less ambiguity about the definition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭ShadowTech


    I have looked up the meaning of “incidental” with regard to medical conditions and it doesn’t coincide with the much more narrow one used by the CMO. Can you please share a link to a source? I don’t see how “incidental” can legitimately be defined as only being someone who tests positive but has fully recovered from symptomatic infection but I’m open to correction from a legitimate source.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,702 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    The fact that you believe it was in fact intentional is very tiresome too . And unreasonable .

    He should have come straight out and said that the numbers who were infectious but admitted for something else while not incidental by definition were not admitted with Covid, yes I agree .

    While he did not have the full numbers of thise other cases he should have said so . I also agree.

    Fact is there would have been an outcry that he didn't know .

    But this was the week after a major surge and the day before New Year's Eve and weren't getting anything except basic numbers from the HSE at that stage , remember ? If anything they are to blame for not keeping the CMO or NPHET up to date , but at the time that it was it was understandable too .

    Ok could do better Tony but not intentional .

    I said before Christmas that a lot of people were being admitted for other things and testing positive after admission , but I did not have nor would have had accurate numbers as was off then for Christmas . Looks like the people in the HSE doing those numbers were off as well .

    From what Ihave heard everywhere was firefighting over the 2 weeks even though the cases were milder because so many staff were off .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,702 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    If I am not that source you can ask someone else tbf .

    It is in a 79 page IPC document from Gov.ie if you want to go read through and find it . I referenced it the other night .

    Good luck !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,229 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    How is Tony going to steal this away from MM ? After all the sh!te news MM had to give us for 2 years Tony will steal his moment . Nothing surer .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭ureds


    Is there any way of finding out how many cases are in each EA of a county? The covid tracker hasn't been updated since before Christmas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,702 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Good for you and everyone then ( presume its everyone on boards ) cos there would be a lot of people myself and other healthcare workers who would not have known any figures but would be making a wild guess !

    And don't be worrying about me bb, thanks for your concern there ... . There are many hills and mountains and this is just one 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭ShadowTech



    You're not the source because you're just someone on the Internet. :-) I was asking what the actual source of your claim is. Somewhere in a "79 page IPC document" isn't helpful as it doesn't really narrow down the search. I doubt you would accept someone making the claim that the CMO outright lied if they offered you the same lack of evidence. In this case, I can point you to the dictionary definition of the word "incidental" which is much more general than what the CMO used. I can point you to a research paper attempting to quantify the number of incidental cases of SARS-CoV-2 in Los Angeles that doesn't use as narrow a definition as our CMO did, which would seem to contradict the claim you made that he was using a generally accepted definition within the sphere of public health.

    You're claiming that there is a much more specific definition of the word "incidental" than is generally understood somewhere in an "79 page IPC document" that you can't or won't point me to. In the absence of any evidence to the contrary I'm questioning this, as I imagine you would if someone made a claim that you found questionable without providing any evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,213 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Fully rolled back? Not a hope in hell of our lot doing that.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,543 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Goldengirl threadbanned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,137 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Very true

    As in the restrictions we had in October to December

    Pub opening hours, clubs open, wedding numbers increased

    I'm not including facemasks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,736 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Its sad the level we have fallen to, that the pragmatic expectation is a heavily restricted lifestyle.

    As a reminder, remember these words?

    "These are radical actions aimed at saving as many lives as possible in the days and weeks ahead. We are not prisoners of fate – we can influence what is going to happen. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

    "Freedom was hard won in our country, and it jars with us, to restrict and limit individual liberties, even temporarily."


    "The days and weeks ahead". Now nearly two years later and after being asked when we will be allowed to live again what is the answer from our leader?

    "Certainly not".



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 15,125 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Ireland is #1 in the world aside from 11 small countries, the populations of which distort their statistics. France is #2.

    Based on this alone, Tony Holohan should be asked to justify continued restrictions given the ongoing cost of this shite to the State and the opportunity cost of same. Imagine if this was spent on infrastructure to open up land for housing or a new hospital or two.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Some people won’t like this!

    FairPlay to them coming out with a statement to shut some trolls on twitter!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    The Infectious Diseases society have had their say. Just 30% of patients requiring oxygen, and 42% presenting with symptoms at the hospitals surveyed.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,276 ✭✭✭growleaves


    This time two years ago, in January 2020, staged videos of Chinese people dropping dead on the street began to be uploaded to the internet and distributed.

    It was the beginning of a "low, dishonest decade" (W.H. Auden's characterisation of the 1930s)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,529 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Hello all, can someone clear this up for me.

    Rules change tonight that if you are vaccinated plus boosted you don’t have to self isolate if you are a close contact. What about if you are vaccinated plus recovered? They haven’t cleared that up on the news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Same as if you were boosted, but might need the booster in 3 months then! Nobody has a notion as to what will happen come February



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,309 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    So I guess you are saying you know better than a child's parent.

    Makes sense. It's your typical arrogant standard boards response. Can't expect nothing less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    As of 8pm tonight

    967 in hospital

    92 in ICU

    January 13th 2021

    1733 in hospital

    174 in ICU



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