Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

bear1 wrote: »

Government now saying certificates may not be really until mid August.
Every day something new.

Great stuff, they're losing the confidence and buy in of more people with every utterance.

hynesie08 wrote: »

Literally no mention of mid August in the actual rte article.

It's the government ffs, when have they actually ever delivered anything on time or before schedule?

charlie14 wrote: »

Personally I don`t feel it`s anything to do with the " smell of weakness".
If anything it smells like desperation that with vaccines working and a plan for staged opening up that those opposed to lockdown, or any restrictions, will have less and less to moan about.

That and the moronic "we should open up like such and such" for no given viable reason other than "just because they are" is getting very old and tiresome.

No viable reason? If you can find an EU country at the same level of vaccination as Ireland, and similar hospital numbers (adjusted) as slow as opening up as us then by all means tell us.

Otherwise ‘because they are’ is pertinent and begs the question why you think Irish authorities and scientists are either better informed, or more scientifically qualified than other countries at the same stage of emerging from this crisis as we are.

Hardly moronic, or old and tiresome. You also seem to unable to accept that someone can happy with the success of the vaccine programme but at the same time be highly critical of authorities handling of restrictions throughout.

As regards anyone having less to moan about - liken it to the housing crisis, if hypothetically that was solved tomorrow and things were looking brighter for generation rent, should no one have legitimate cause for drawing attention to past failings?

Stormyteacup wrote: »

No viable reason? If you can find an EU country at the same level of vaccination as Ireland, and similar hospital numbers (adjusted) as slow as opening up as us then by all means tell us.

Otherwise ‘because they are’ is pertinent and begs the question why you think Irish authorities and scientists are either better informed, or more scientifically qualified than other countries at the same stage of emerging from this crisis as we are.

Hardly moronic, or old and tiresome. You also seem to unable to accept that someone can happy with the success of the vaccine programme but at the same time be highly critical of authorities handling of restrictions throughout.

As regards anyone having less to moan about - liken it to the housing crisis, if hypothetically that was solved tomorrow and things were looking brighter for generation rent, should no one have legitimate cause for drawing attention to past failings?

It is moronic and tiresome if your only reason for opening up is because somebody at the same level of vaccination as we are now is doing so.
It appears you either have no clue as to the scientific data, or you are just looking for something to moan about.

The only scientific data on vaccination levels for safely opening up is that of the U.K. which we are following and opening accordingly
Others have gone before with their own estimates of vaccination levels required and got it seriously wrong.

All this nonsense of opening up everything now with........ vaccines, something something, somewhere else..... is no different too the "open everything now" before we had vaccines.
It`s almost as if some are hoping we get the level of vaccines and stages of reopening wrong and we had to go back into lockdown so they could somehow crow they were right.

paddyisreal wrote: »

Yep all those fully vaccinated people looking for a nice break in Portugal etc will be told to hold off because we can't organise a piss up

Nothing stopping them from going to Portugal. Just goes against public health advice but can chose to ignore that advice.

paddyisreal wrote: »

So why is practically every country in Europe with more or less the same vaccinations as us relaxing their restrictions quicker than us ?
Are they all wrong ?
Also I will guarantee now that there will be no travel for us within Europe this summer while every other country will have the green card to travel because we are always waiting to see the results of what other countries do.

Wait and see

I have said the metric we are using. The scientific data from the U.K. that shows they got their phases of reopening correct.

Seeing as some of these European countries attempted to reopen based on case numbers and vaccination levels before, and got it seriously wrong, I`m sure as you favour us following these "practically every country in Europe" on reopening, you can tell us the scientific data this is based on ?

You are not guaranteeing anything. You are just idly speculating.

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So NPHET are out trying to frighten the life out of vulnerable groups who are probably all vaccinated & were just starting to live again. Indian variant is effectively dealt with by vaccines,

Curious timing with further reopenings coming & talks of travel...
Stockholm Syndrome Ireland will lap it up along with the ISAG leaning media. What a basket case we’ve become. Everyone should just work around this nonsense & make sure to enjoy summer. It’s been a long hard year & the lunatics are still very much running the asylum.

We should send Dr Tony as our Eurovision act next year to monologue over some backing music re black storm clouds, various degrees of concern, dressed as the Grim reaper. George Lee & other NPHET members on backing vocals with Philip Nolan visualising the antigen tests as snake oils. No one would get it only Ireland - just like no one gets our unique approach to Covid.

CruelSummer wrote: »

So NPHET are out trying to frighten the life out of vulnerable groups who are probably all vaccinated & were just starting to live again. Indian variant is effectively dealt with by vaccines,

Curious timing with further reopenings coming & talks of travel...
Stockholm Syndrome Ireland will lap it up along with the ISAG leaning media. What a basket case we’ve become. Everyone should just work around this nonsense & make sure to enjoy summer. It’s been a long hard year & the lunatics are still very much running the asylum.

We should send Dr Tony as our Eurovision act next year to monologue over some backing music re black storm clouds, various degrees of concern, dressed as the Grim reaper. George Lee & other NPHET members on backing vocals with Philip Nolan visualising the antigen tests as snake oils. No one would get it only Ireland - just like no one gets our unique approach to Covid.

Really it’s beyond embarrassing. MOL making loud noises in US about EU being receptive to US visitors, except Ireland. Scathing about our insular anti-tourist policy in the short term.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aviation-interests-let-fly-at-government-over-state-of-industry-and-lack-of-recovery-plan-1.4570718?mode=amp

CruelSummer wrote: »

We should send Dr Tony as our Eurovision act next year to monologue over some backing music re black storm clouds, various degrees of concern, dressed as the Grim reaper.

Donnelly is actually gonna go instead with this number

https://twitter.com/leptagon2/status/1365334249499459584

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Have to laugh. You say my whole post is a strawman then go on it paraphrase my first paragraph to back up your argument.

Do you want to retract this so?

‘It is moronic and tiresome if your only reason for opening up is because somebody at the same level of vaccination as we are now is doing so.’

I`ll do it in baby steps if that will help.

1. The U.K. reopened their first stage at a certain level of vaccination.

2. That level of vaccination, from their data has show to work, so when we reach that level we are doing the same as their first stage of reopening on June 7th.

3. We are not at that level of vaccination yet but will be, all going well, by June 7th.

4. "It is moronic and tiresome if your only reason for opening up is because somebody at the same level of vaccination as we are now is doing so" because they are only at the same level of vaccination as we are and there is no data what so ever to point to that level working. Plus the fact some have tried it before at lower levels than the U.K, and got it wrong.

Dickie10 wrote: »

king Tony says hes concerned , wait for NYPHET to start pulling away that june 7th pub opening, it genuinely looks like the prospect of pubs opening in 2 weeks is painful for Tony and co. Anyone who tells me that he isnt targetting pubs during this is crazy so blatant now,

Firstly it's NPHET not NYPHET, secondly as much as I disliked the press conference he stated in it that there's nobody planning or working towards anything other than the openings planned on June 7th

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

A grandmother in her 60s was jailed this weekend for not wearing a mask. The majority of her age group were never in any danger of getting sick or dying of covid. Her age group and above are either full vaccinated or got at least their first jab.

The CDC and the US President have said mask wearing is no longer required indoors or outdoors for vaccinated people. Somehow this is not the case here???

Meanwhile a drunken man escaped jail after sexually assaulting a woman with her children qt a festival.

That's how ridiculous we have become

She was remanded for contempt of court.

Firstly she abused staff in a supermarket, secondly she told them and Gardai she was only answerable to God not to them. Thirdly she refused to give Gardaí her details (an offence in itself). Didn't wear a mask to court recently, case was adjourned as the judge was giving her a chance to simply apologise to everyone. She arrived back to court today again no mask, in breach of directions of a court.

Remanded in custody for court on Monday.

Given chance after chance and breached multiple pieces of legislation. Refusing to give Gardai your details could have seen her up in court regardless.

Play silly games with a court win silly prizes

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Firstly it's NPHET not NYPHET, secondly as much as I disliked the press conference he stated in it that there's nobody planning or working towards anything other than the openings planned on June 7th

Did he explain why the reopening on June 7th is happening so long after the rest of europe?

Or why they insisted on allowing another Summer bank holiday weekend to pass

Some will forever defend nPHEt

stephenjmcd wrote: »

She was remanded for contempt of court.

Firstly she abused staff in a supermarket, secondly she told them and Gardai she was only answerable to God not to them. Thirdly she refused to give Gardaí her details (an offence in itself). Didn't wear a mask to court recently, case was adjourned as the judge was giving her a chance to simply apologise to everyone. She arrived back to court today again no mask, in breach of directions of a court.

Remanded in custody for court on Monday.

Given chance after chance and breached multiple pieces of legislation. Refusing to give Gardai your details could have seen her up in court regardless.

Play silly games with a court win silly prizes

She called the staff member in the supermarket an a**hole. Horrible behaviour - but she made a genuine apology for it:

Her family and friends are apparently worried about her mental health. Reads as a case of someone mentally damaged rather than someone attempting to deliberately infect other people with a potentially harmful virus.

Really more sad than evil, and dealt with appropriately. Hopefully gets the help she needs.