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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

  • 24-03-2021 11:02pm
    #1
    Necro
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    Level 5 remains in place - but what will April 5th bring?

    Part I
    Part II
    Part III
    Part IV
    Part V
    Part VI
    Part VII
    Part VIII
    Part IX

    All warnings and threadbans carry over. Please PM the mod issuing a threadban if you wish to discuss options for being allowed to post again

    Mod warnings
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    It looks like tensions in this thread have been rising

    Some general warnings to all:

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    Keep to the topic

    Do not present "opinion" as "fact"

    Do not believe all stats that are spouted. Usually figures presented in any official way are not only checked for inaccuracies, but will also have caveats and/or explanations of what was done to derive any conclusions reached. Stats though are not "facts" beyond the sample they represent. They can be used to draw conclusions over wider populations, but those conclusions are always subject to a margin of error

    If you throw up an example please explain what point you are making. For example "Look at Sweden" means nothing unless you say what you are looking at in connection with Sweden. Is it restrictions, is it deaths, is it infections?

    Hinting or implying that other users are re-regs is against the charter. It is strongly advised that you report posts and let the mods deal with it.

    Threadbans will follow if people cannot follow this simple instruction.

    Beasty wrote: »
    Another reminder - this thread is about restrictions and their relaxation

    General Covid discussion belongs in the current Covid thread (#XVII)

    Political discussion belongs in Current Affairs or Politics
    Necro wrote: »
    Mod:

    Mod actions can be discussed via PM if you like.

    On thread is not permitted.


    I will note what I said in the other thread this evening though:

    Calling people names such as Dr. Death or Saint Tony etc. only weaken your argument, it's the lowest form of wit.

    Keep it civil and on topic and you can discuss the restrictions or your opposition to them as much as you like

    Stop bringing the cervical cancer discussion into this thread, if you want to discuss it, start a thread on it elsewhere on the site.


    Necro wrote: »
    Mod:


    I'm not going to post another warning on this - stop bringing up the cervical cancer issues in this thread.

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    Are you fed up with rerstrictions 37 votes

    Yes
    59% 22 votes
    No
    40% 15 votes
    Done care, ive been ignoring them anyway
    0% 0 votes


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Comments

  • #2
    kittensmittens
    Registered Users Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭kittensmittens


    A genuine question folks! When do we think retail will reopen fully? My guess is end of June (trying to not be pessimistic but realistic and hoping to be wrong)


  • #3
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Do they serve pints in this one?


  • #4
    RobitTV
    Registered Users Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭RobitTV


    New thread, same lockdown, part X.

    Message of hope: Open the pubs.


  • #5
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Just when you bother type out a long response it gets lost at the end of an old thread, so I will repeat
    FintanMcluskey wrote:
    Ah ok pedestrian road safety is the basis of your argument.

    The reason of course for the caution displayed by the pedestrians, is because the drivers in that country are some of the most aggressive on the planet, and jaywalking will not end well for the pedestrian.

    Of course the Irish government got the right to protest suspended while the media implied anyone who participated was a far right, anti vaccine nuttjob.

    Now ironically, your suggesting that because the Irish aren’t protesting they are wrong.


    Yes, I see it needs to be spelled out.

    I agree with the right to protest.
    I disagree with the motives of those who chose to protest here.
    I agree some restrictions such as click and collect, 5km and construction are overly conservative, but also agree with the general aims of the restrictions.
    I understand that restrictions are not a shopping list of items where everything restricted is automatically riskier than everything not, but a suite of actions intended to reduce transmission by the required amount while allowing activities deemed essential to continue. It’s why Tesco open, penny’s closed doesn’t make sense from an epidemiological point of view, but does from the essential nature of one versus the other. The authorities, rightly or wrong have judged that in the knowledge that there will be a level of non compliance, the current restrictions are what is required to achieve the epidemiological outcome. The reason some countries choose different sets of measures is down to their individual assessment of what is required in the knowledge of how their people behave. And that was my point re the Germans. They are not legislating on the basis of the few thousand or even tens of thousands of lockdown protestors, but on the knowledge that among the bulk of the population compliance will be extremely high. In Ireland people, most people I would bet, never get involved in wide scale protest, but do give themselves the small “personal” allowances- sure it’s ok for me to visit Johnny and Mary, its ok for my kids to go on a play date, it’s ok for me go to that house party etc, as it’s always someone else’s fault. That in essence is why the Irish authorities have gone stricter.

    What gets me on this thread is not the fact that people question the level of restrictions. In some cases I agree with a few of the points. It’s the bizarre nonsense that is peddled about the motivations of those making decisions. For me, they are trying their best, you can argue that their best is rubbish. In fact both the most ardent proponents of restrictions and the harshest critics would argue that very point for the exact opposite reasons.


  • #6
    lmimmfn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Pity i cant do a reddit post here to remind me in 2022 if lockdown is over yet.

    Come July it'll be "just two more weeks", in Sepember it will be "just two more weeks"

    They can decide what they want im out and will do what i want.

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



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  • #7
    11521323
    Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    kittensmittens wrote: »
    A genuine question folks! When do we think retail will reopen fully? My guess is end of June (trying to not be pessimistic but realistic and hoping to be wrong)

    Really should be May as planned. They'll face mounting pressure the longer this ****e goes on.


  • #8
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭hynesie08


    11521323 wrote: »
    Really should be May as planned. They'll face mounting pressure the longer this ****e goes on.

    Planned by who?


  • #9
    Aph2016
    Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭Aph2016


    Any dates or vaccine targets yet from the Taoiseach so we can have a plan for removing restrictions?


  • #10
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    Any dates or vaccine targets yet from the Taoiseach so we can have a plan for removing restrictions?

    They plan on having the vulnerable inoculated for Winter 2022 by early Spring 2023.

    There will be certain relaxation at that point depending on case numbers


  • #11
    lmimmfn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    Any dates or vaccine targets yet from the Taoiseach so we can have a plan for removing restrictions?
    Lol

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



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  • #12
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ypres5 wrote:
    All fascists lad, all one million of them

    It was you that brought up facists when I was talking about revolutionaries


  • #13
    RobitTV
    Registered Users Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭RobitTV


    Virgin Media News - 1st July 2023

    "Yes Colette, we have just received today's NPHET briefing and we can confirm that Level 4 is now officially on the table according to the Dr. Ronan Glynn. The Lisdoonvarna variant now seems to be under control and we can see a return to Level 4 restrictions if cases remain low"

    "The easing of the restrictions on masks and international travel will be reviewed in July of 2027"

    "Unemployment now stands at a record low of 25% as the economy continues to boom"


  • #14
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    RobitTV wrote: »
    Virgin Media News - 1st July 2023

    "Yes Colette, we have just received today's NPHET briefing and we can confirm that Level 4 is now officially on the table according to the Dr. Ronan Glynn. The Lisdoonvarna variant now seems to be under control and we can see a return to Level 4 restrictions if cases remain low"

    "The easing of the restrictions on masks and international travel will be reviewed in July of 2027"

    "Unemployment now stands at a record low of 25% as the economy continues to boom"

    Employment now stands at a record high of 25% as the economy continues to boom.

    Fixed it for you.


  • #15
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Will the 5k last for the whole year!


  • #16
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Who cares about the economy sure money grows on trees


  • #17
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Will the 5k last for the whole year!

    1616613631676.png

    Im dubious if the utter superspreaders right now can even walk 5km, maybe if we restrict phone chargers this will all go away?


  • #18
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Will the 5k last for the whole year!

    I've been ignoring the 5k rule since January so I can go out and enjoy nature by going to the beach/woods etc. Many others have as well as the number of people I've met on my travels has been increasing every week.


  • #19
    11521323
    Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Who cares about the economy sure money grows on trees

    Yeah, on the trees grown from the hard work of the workforce of Ireland for the next 10+ years.


  • #20
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    People state "schools are not safe" because of a virus with a 0.001% CFR in the age group, but have sent their kids to school during flu season every preceding year without a blink.


  • #21
    ypres5
    Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It was you that brought up facists when I was talking about revolutionaries

    So the one million people in total who took part in the protests across germany were all fascists? can i have something official on that as you might understand im not going to blindly take your word for it.


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  • #22
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ypres5 wrote: »
    So the one million people in total who took part in the protests across germany were all fascists? can i have something official on that as you might understand im not going to blindly take your word for it.

    I literally never mentioned fascists, right wingers or ascribed any ideology to German protesters. That you somehow think I did is a pure figment of your imagination


  • #23
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I literally never mentioned fascists, right wingers or ascribed any ideology to German protesters. That you somehow think I did is a pure figment of your imagination

    Remind us how you described Irish protestors?


  • #24
    ypres5
    Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I literally never mentioned fascists, right wingers or ascribed any ideology to German protesters. That you somehow think I did is a pure figment of your imagination

    Christ.

    You will notice I referenced revolutionaries not fascists. And then the petty slur.


    You started the revolutionaries and fascists guff not me. I just linked articles about protesters in germany while you were getting starry eyed about how perfect German people are. Actually could you elaborate on the slur you alleged I used? If not could you please retract your false accusation?


  • #25
    frank8211
    Registered Users Posts: 306 ✭✭frank8211


    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/tipperary-school-closed-after-hse-flagged-possible-variant-of-concern-1101200.html
    Is there any connection between this phenomenon and the presence of cases in the same town (Carrick on Suir) in a direct provision centre or is it sheer coincidence


  • #26
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,644 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    ypres5 wrote: »
    If not could you please retract your false accusation?

    You want to retract your false accusation against me for allegedly being hellbent on downplaying or knocking the UK vaccination program?

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES(x2), And So I Watch You From Afar



  • #27
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Remind us how you described Irish protestors?

    Yep, here you go
    Deleted User wrote:
    The opposition to restrictions in this country are populists parroting easy answers to complex issues as populists do and are both right and left

    Labelled them all fascists as you can see.

    But even if I had, which I didn’t, I did not comment on the political positions of German protesters as claimed, and which I haven’t looked into enough to form a view on motivations


  • #28
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Was posted in the last thread but Leo said even with elderly and vulnerable vaccinated we'd have 35 people needing hospitalisation for every 1000 cases which would be unsustainable. So that's 3.5% of cases.

    First of all how bad is our health service that 35 hospitalisations a day is unsustainable? Where did he pull this figure from? How old is elderly in his statement and what constitutes vulnerable? Is he basing on having the over 65, very high risk and high risk vaccine groupings vaccinated? Whatever metric he is using is lies anyway.

    Less than 5% of total cases in last 14 days were hospitalised. When you exclude cases and hospitalisations in over 65, 2.7% of cases were hospitalised. So thats just the over 65s took out through vaccination but not the vulnerable. It's very hard to measure the effect vaccination of under 65s at very high or high risk would be as I don't think the cases are broken down this way but I think it's fair to assume a good chunk of under 65s hospitalised would be classified in one of these categories.

    Before someone says it, I know people vaccinated can still end up in hospital but it should be as a very low percentage of cases.

    I hope someone questions him on where he pulled that figure from but I doubt it.


  • #29
    ypres5
    Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yep, here you go



    Labelled them all fascists as you can see.

    But even if I had, which I didn’t, I did not comment on the political positions of German protesters as claimed, and which I haven’t looked into enough to form a view on motivations

    Christ.

    You will notice I referenced revolutionaries not fascists. And then the petty slur.


    You posted this in response to articles about protesters in germany. If you're going to backtrack at least try and be subtle about it again still waiting on that slur


  • #30
    ypres5
    Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    Penfailed wrote: »
    You want to retract your false accusation against me for allegedly being hellbent on downplaying or knocking the UK vaccination program?

    No because I provided quotes so I consider my accusations very valid


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  • #31
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ypres5 wrote: »
    Christ.

    You will notice I referenced revolutionaries not fascists. And then the petty slur.


    You started the revolutionaries and fascists guff not me. I just linked articles about protesters in germany while you were getting starry eyed about how perfect German people are. Actually could you elaborate on the slur you alleged I used? If not could you please retract your false accusation?

    Revolutionaries not fascists if you reread.

    And was more an infantile insult than slur I suppose, which also kick started the tedious back and forth with the master race comment
    Ypres5 wrote:
    If the german master race narrative helps you sleep at night then keep smoking that copium


  • #32
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yep, here you go



    Labelled them all fascists as you can see.

    But even if I had, which I didn’t, I did not comment on the political positions of German protesters as claimed, and which I haven’t looked into enough to form a view on motivations

    Thanks - thats a very fair statement.


  • #33
    ypres5
    Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Revolutionaries not fascists if you reread.

    And was more an infantile insult than slur I suppose, which also kick started the tedious back and forth with the master race comment

    You implied the protesters in were fascists it's fairly black and white. And if you're going to accuse anyone else of being infantile, you know what they say about glass houses...


  • #34
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Klonker wrote: »
    Was posted in the last thread but Leo said even with elderly and vulnerable vaccinated we'd have 35 people needing hospitalisation for every 1000 cases which would be unsustainable. So that's 3.5% of cases.

    First of all how bad is our health service that 35 hospitalisations a day is unsustainable? Where did he pull this figure from? How old is elderly in his statement and what constitutes vulnerable? Is he basing on having the over 65, very high risk and high risk vaccine groupings vaccinated? Whatever metric he is using is lies anyway.

    Impressive scientific conclusions there Klonker

    "Whatever metric he is using is lies anyway" :pac:

    FYI, your 35 hospitalisations/day only adds up if there's 1,000 cases/day.

    If we go back to the kind of case numbers we had just a few weeks ago you'd quickly be looking at 6000/7000/8000 cases per day. In the region of 210 - 280 hospitalisations per day.


  • #35
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Klonker wrote: »
    Was posted in the last thread but Leo said even with elderly and vulnerable vaccinated we'd have 35 people needing hospitalisation for every 1000 cases which would be unsustainable. So that's 3.5% of cases.

    First of all how bad is our health service that 35 hospitalisations a day is unsustainable? Where did he pull this figure from? How old is elderly in his statement and what constitutes vulnerable? Is he basing on having the over 65, very high risk and high risk vaccine groupings vaccinated? Whatever metric he is using is lies anyway.

    Less than 5% of total cases in last 14 days were hospitalised. When you exclude cases and hospitalisations in over 65, 2.7% of cases were hospitalised. So thats just the over 65s took out through vaccination but not the vulnerable. It's very hard to measure the effect vaccination of under 65s at very high or high risk would be as I don't think the cases are broken down this way but I think it's fair to assume a good chunk of under 65s hospitalised would be classified in one of these categories.

    Before someone says it, I know people vaccinated can still end up in hospital but it should be as a very low percentage of cases.

    I hope someone questions him on where he pulled that figure from but I doubt it.

    Leo is a fame seeking dimwit who cant calculate his socks budget. There's sadly not much more to say about him.


  • #36
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ypres5 wrote: »
    Christ.

    You will notice I referenced revolutionaries not fascists. And then the petty slur.


    You posted this in response to articles about protesters in germany. If you're going to backtrack at least try and be subtle about it again still waiting on that slur

    No, I posted
    Raind wrote:

    Germans are renowned for obeying rules and overthrowing the prevailing order. It’s hard to believe when you come to a pedestrian crossing in Munich at 2am with no car moving in the vicinity, that the people standing there who tut as you cross on red are the same as those who produced Martin Luther, Karl Marx and many more

    Which somehow led to you talking about the master race prompting me to clarify I was referencing revolutionaries, you know, Luther, Marx, and NOT facists, lest you misrepresent what I said.

    I think this should be left there

    Edit. I think I understand the misunderstanding now. You believed I was referring to the protesters in your links, when in fact I was referring to your German master race comment and was clarifying that it was revolution in general I was referencing in my prior post


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  • #37
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ypres5 wrote: »
    You implied the protesters in were fascists it's fairly black and white. And if you're going to accuse anyone else of being infantile, you know what they say about glass houses...

    Everyone is capable of being infantile when the occasion prompts


  • #38
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Graham wrote: »
    Impressive scientific conclusions there Klonker

    "Whatever metric he is using is lies anyway" :pac:

    FYI, your 35 hospitalisations/day only adds up if there's 1,000 cases/day.

    If we go back to the kind of case numbers we had just a few weeks ago you'd quickly be looking at 6000/7000/8000 cases per day. In the region of 210 - 280 hospitalisations per day.

    Leo is the one who said at 1000 cases a day which 35 are hospitalised is unsustainable. He didn't say for every 1000 cases 35 are hospitalalised or whatever way you are trying to hint at that I misunderstood what he said. I didn't. If you want to say if we 5000 cases a day it would be unsustainable fair enough, but that's not what Leo said and that's what I'm commenting on.

    Of course what he said is lies. I said I don't know where he got it from, he may believe its correct but it's still lies. If at the moment less than 2.7% of under 65s are hospitalised how would it jump to 3.5% when the vulnerable are vaccinated too?


  • #39
    MOH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,465 ✭✭✭MOH


    Shelga wrote:
    Micheal is a weak, meek and indecisive leader, and we are all paying for it.
    ......
    The man was Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment from 2004-2008, when the sh*t hit the fan in this country the last time. And somehow he is now our Taoiseach?? It beggars belief.

    Fianna Fail could have had a proper clear out of their front bench at that time, thought about not just the next 2 years but the next 20, and how to appeal to people like me- 33 years old. But no. Poor Micheal wants to be Taoiseach, so he gets to be, despite having tepid support at best and not a notion of a plan as to how to get us out of this complete mess. And too timid to tell the EU that they have f**ked up royally with the vaccine rollout.

    I was forced to emigrate to England the last time he and his dire party were in power, and it's like nothing has changed in the last 15 years.

    I don't know what this rant is meant to achieve, I am just absolutely at the end of my tether and wish we had a real leader at this crucial moment in our country's history.

    That also omits the fact he was minister for health for the previous 4 years, at the height of the Celtic Tiger. His sudden recent concern for ICU numbers and the wellbeing of frontline healthcare workers is totally understandable given the massive investment into the health services that Fianna Fail made during that time the country was flush with -- oh, wait. No, he's just an opportunistic, hypocritical liar.


  • #40
    lmimmfn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    We're in level 5, it looks like level 5 will continue for the foreseeable future/longterm.

    Personally i'm fed up with this, im ignoring the restrictions and will decide what is safe for me and my family, what is your opinion?

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • #41
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Klonker wrote: »
    Leo is the one who said at 1000 cases a day which 35 are hospitalised is unsustainable. He didn't say for every 1000 cases 35 are hospitalalised or whatever way you are trying to hint at that I misunderstood what he said. I didn't. If you want to say if we 5000 cases a day it would be unsustainable fair enough, but that's not what Leo said and that's what I'm commenting on.

    Of course what he said is lies. I said I don't know where he got it from, he may believe its correct but it's still lies. If at the moment less than 2.7% of under 65s are hospitalised how would it jump to 3.5% when the vulnerable are vaccinated too?

    Isn’t the average stay something like 10 days. That’d be 350 in hospital with Covid at 100 per day or less than 3% of hospital bed capacity. Surely with vaccinated Health Care workers this is not an issue at all?


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  • #42
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    I welcome an extension to Level 5 restrictions like I do a root canal. They have served their purpose, now the vaccines are lowering hospital numbers & ICU admissions. Elderly and vulnerable receiving immunity, job is nearly done for the critical cohorts. After that, 500-1,000 cases daily have a negligible impact on the rest of the population, Level 3 & under should be considered without delay. People are already pissed off with the blunt lockdown tool, there is no point stirring the pot further.


  • #43
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    The more I think about those pop up testing centres the angrier I get.
    Why are they only for asymptomatic people who are not close contacts?
    Why would anyone who is feeling perfectly well go and get tested for Covid anyway?
    I mean do they really want to be told to self isolate for 14 days and have all their close contacts restrict their movements and get 2 tests?
    Do they want to falsely inflate case numbers and have us all locked down for longer?

    I really hope no one turns up at these centres.


  • #44
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    Klonker wrote: »
    If at the moment less than 2.7% of under 65s are hospitalised how would it jump to 3.5% when the vulnerable are vaccinated too?

    It’s irrelevant anyway, since a lot of the people in hospital are there for purposes of isolation rather than because they require treatment in a hospital. The numbers in hospital can be whatever the government want them to be. Similarly with case numbers. If you happen to be in need of some cases, you can go and mine the “asymptomatic” cases, or false positives, by, for example, setting up testing centres for healthy people.

    The only cases that matter are deaths. And not deaths from January and February. Deaths from today. This week. Deaths that reflect our actual position rather than the bureaucratic delays in our reporting systems.


  • #45
    questionmark?
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    Personally not saying lift everything and go back to way it was just yet but it's the justification or lack of for some of them which would drive you mad and look to not follow them.

    5km rule is overkill. Ridiculous and needs to be got rid of. Even county wide would allow sanity. No scientific basis offered for the 5k rule that I have seen.

    Also can someone explain how its safe for kids to sit in classroom with their peers in school but not allowed to do sports training outside in pods 🀔

    Why are Dunnes allowed click and collect but my local bookshop is not.

    Why is it safe to carry out construction on social housing but not on private housing.

    It's this kind of nonsense that would drive you mad.


  • #46
    lmimmfn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    I'm still curious why we dropped the per county restrictions and now its just on off level 5 depending on hospital capacity that they have done nothing to address in over a year?
    Plus nice to see we gave DOB lots of $$$ last May/June and doing the same again.

    What an absolutely incompetent and disgrace of a government, with absolutely 0 plan to exit this.

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • #47
    Plumbthedepths
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    I have worked throughout , salary has increased. We received a bonus twice last year for working during the crisis and expect another one this year but Christ life has just become a drudge. From home to work ,work to home . Absolutely nothing to do other than the weekly shopping. I have managed to keep my mental health in check. I have however watched my wife go through a hell of a lot in the last year. Unable to see her parents for months whom she is very close too. The constant fear mongering on RTE, she watched the news religiously until I managed to convince her to watch other news channels. The misery on RTE is unf**king believable. Other than Covid I think the worst thing to happen to this country is to have Martin as the leader during this. He is so far out of his depth even the RNLI couldn't rescue him.
    Anyhoo rant over , brighter days ahead just not sure when.


  • #48
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Klonker wrote: »
    Leo is the one who said at 1000 cases a day which 35 are hospitalised is unsustainable. He didn't say for every 1000 cases 35 are hospitalalised or whatever way you are trying to hint at that I misunderstood what he said. I didn't. If you want to say if we 5000 cases a day it would be unsustainable fair enough, but that's not what Leo said and that's what I'm commenting on.

    or

    "He said that even with vaccinating all of the elderly and vulnerable there would be 35 hospitalisations for every 1,000 positive cases which would not be sustainable."

    Source:independent.ie


  • #49
    Larbre34
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    We are in a period of diminishing returns. Inside the home is clearly the main culprit for new cases at this time.

    I'd much rather see a structured reopening of public places with strict mask wearing and social distancing, giving people something to do, rather than seeing a greater mass disobedience of gatherings at home.

    Obviously the vaccination level needs to filter down and in the meantime we will be restricted in some fashion, but the Government have to start approaching things in a more practical fashion. As I heard someone put it earlier, they are losing the dressing room now.


  • #50
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    I'm not sick of them, cos I can see why they're in place. With vaccines appearing, I can see a slow easing of things back to normal over the next 4-6 months. People just need to stick with it a little longer, I'd say. It's frustrating, but i'd say each month from here on it, a restriction will be eased or removed, until we're back to normal (by July, I predict all the major stuff will be gone, with just masks/sanitisers etc. for close personal services (hairdressers/etc) and easy stuff like avoiding sitting at the bar in pubs).


    Of course, a couple more protests could prolong that a bit further and rocket the numbers again, but hopefully not.


  • #51
    lmimmfn
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    We are in a period of diminishing returns. Inside the home is clearly the main culprit for new cases at this time.

    I'd much rather see a structured reopening of public places with strict mask wearing and social distancing, giving people something to do, rather than seeing a greater mass disobedience of gatherings at home.

    Obviously the vaccination level needs to filter down and in the meantime we will be restricted in some fashion, but the Government have to start approaching things in a more practical fashion. As I heard someone put it earlier, they are losing the dressing room now.
    I agree, we need a plan, but a plan seems beyond these incompetent idiots in power.
    I cant believe lockdown is actually worse now that it was last year when we had county lockdowns.

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



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