[KC61]

From the RTE News website:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0422/dublinbus.html

Dublin Bus to change and combine routes
Thursday, 22 April 2010 07:59

Dublin Bus has announced it is to change the majority of its routes over the coming months.

The company said the redesign of its network comes after more than a year of consultation.

Dublin Bus said the changes will increase the frequency and efficiency of its service.

The overall number of routes is to be increased, but some existing routes will be straightened out with fewer diversions off quality bus corridors, while others will be combined.

Dublin Bus said this will make it easier to travel across the city without changing buses.

It says the average waiting time between services will be five minutes.

A real-time passenger information service will also be rolled-out later this year.

On RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Dublin Bus spokeswoman Clíodhna Ní Fhátharta said under the new plan there would be a reduction of up to 150 staff. She said it hopes to achieve this on a voluntary basis.

The company said the changes will be implemented on a phased basis.

[alentejo]

I see that DB are to introduce some big changes
5 min frequency
Possible job losses
major route changes

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0422/dublinbus.html

I feel a strike coming on!

[Cookie_Monster]

It says the average waiting time between services will be five minutes.

Never going to happen.

The most frequent bus at the moment is the 46A and at rush hour the frequency is 4 mins. How they will average 5 when the best is 4 is beyond me. Unless this refers to the useless point that every 5 mins a bus will go past you at your stop (even though you may be waiting for 1 of 10 routes that go by, it'll still be 5 min frequency)

Also greater frequency with less staff and less buses?

The overall number of routes is to be increased, but some existing routes will be straightened out with fewer diversions off quality bus corridors, while others will be combined

Will this increase be real routes or rush hour Xpressos though for the most part I wonder.

The highlighted bit is one of the most important I think. It means eliminating the like of Stillorgan village turn-off that add 5-15 mins to a route depending on traffic, can't happen soon enough to improve service greatly. And thos wanting to go to these locations only have a 2-3 mins walk to main corridor in general anyway.

Dublin Bus said this will make it easier to travel across the city without changing buses.

Again interesting as long as these route do not all run through the CC, but offer alternatives between suburbs.

A real-time passenger information service will also be rolled-out later this year.

I'll only believe this when I finally se it, been coming for the best part of a decade.

[Sulmac]

This also appeared on their site this morning:

http://www.dublinbus.ie/Network-Direct/

edit: Here's the take of BreakingNews.ie and the Irish Independent on it.

And the first changes will take effect from the summer when new services serving Blanchardstown, Stillorgan and Lucan will be unveiled.

Some of the most-heavily trafficked routes, including the 10, 46a and 39, will be merged to form new services, while new orbital routes serving the outskirts will also be introduced. Buses every 10 minutes are promised on most services for the company's 450,000 daily passengers.

...

"Some routes picked up just half-a-dozen passengers and these people may have to walk further to a stop," a spokesman said yesterday. "The average distance from a bus stop will be 300 metres, but no one will have to walk more than 500 metres.

[KC61]

Originally Posted by Cookie_Monster

Never going to happen.

The most frequent bus at the moment is the 46A and at rush hour the frequency is 4 mins. How they will average 5 when the best is 4 is beyond me. Unless this refers to the useless point that every 5 mins a bus will go past you at your stop (even though you may be waiting for 1 of 10 routes that go by, it'll still be 5 min frequency)

Also greater frequency with less staff and less buses?

Of course that can happen. With integrated timetables along each corridor. For example on the Lucan QBC instead of a 25, 66 and 67A all leaving together as they do at certain times, followed by a 15 minute wait till the next bus, they are scheduled as a corridor so that they leave 5 minutes after each other.

Many routes have spare capacity in terms of runnning time after the introduction of the College Green bus gate. This means that buses can do more. If you merge two routes you may be able to operate it using less resources.

Originally Posted by Cookie_Monster

Will this increase be real routes or rush hour Xpressos though for the most part I wonder.

The highlighted bit is one of the most important I think. It means eliminating the like of Stillorgan village turn-off that add 5-15 mins to a route depending on traffic, can't happen soon enough to improve service greatly. And thos wanting to go to these locations only have a 2-3 mins walk to main corridor in general anyway.

This (going back to the Deloitte Report) is all about the standard routes - maybe routing some of the daytime buses on the Lucan QBC via the Chapelizod bypass for example. Not forcing everyone to take detours.

Originally Posted by Cookie_Monster

Again interesting as long as these route do not all run through the CC, but offer alternatives between suburbs.

More orbital routes should be part of the plan.

Originally Posted by Cookie_Monster

I'll only believe this when I finally se it, been coming for the best part of a decade.

This is already being rolled out onboard the 123 buses with displays indicating the next stop.

Dublin City Council is responsible for the rollout of the bus stop displays which will follow from the current rollout of the Dublin Bus GPS based control system.

[cleveland browne]

Route 10 is to go

128 will join with the 15
20b with 14a
27b with 79
27 with 77
46a with 10
39 with 10
17a with 220
122/2

[Cookie_Monster]

Originally Posted by KC61

Of course that can happen. With integrated timetables along each corridor. For example on the Lucan QBC instead of a 25, 66 and 67A all leaving together as they do at certain times, followed by a 15 minute wait till the next bus, they are scheduled as a corridor so that they leave 5 minutes after each other.

most people aren't waiting for 10 different routes though, only one so this statement is useless. people want to know the gap between the 10 and the next 10, not the gaps between the 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14 (for example, not based on real routes).

The frequency on Kildare St for example must already be ever 10-20 seconds but in reality you'll still be waiting a minimum of 5-10 mins for your route.

[KC61]

Originally Posted by Cookie_Monster

most people aren't waiting for 10 different routes though, only one so this statement is useless. people want to know the gap between the 10 and the next 10, not the gaps between the 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14 (for example, not based on real routes).

The frequency on Kildare St for example must already be ever 10-20 seconds but in reality you'll still be waiting a minimum of 5-10 mins for your route.

The key is that each QBC has that level of frequency. Not every single route will - that would be impossible.

The point is that at the moment many corridors have totally disjointed schedules with routes grouped together. Co-ordinated schedules between routes on QBCs will deliver a far better bus service.

[paulm17781]

I've already lost hope

Originally Posted by DB

Dublin Bus said this will make it easier to travel across the city without changing buses.

The problem with our networks (bus and rail) is that it is difficult to find integrated stops etc. This sounds like it's going to be more of the same. They should be trying to integrate routes.

[cson]

Whatever about the frequency and all that ****e; the real time information should be easily enough rolled out and that would ease the pain of a lot of commuters greatly knowing you wouldn't be waiting ages for your bus.

[cleveland browne]

40/78a
51/13
140/54a

[dearg lady]

Originally Posted by paulm17781

I've already lost hope



The problem with our networks (bus and rail) is that it is difficult to find integrated stops etc. This sounds like it's going to be more of the same. They should be trying to integrate routes.

while i agree there's some integration lacking between the different services ie bus/train/luas, I think it's reasonably easy to change buses. I'd say be making more buses cross city DB would hope to minimise changes people need to make, but the option to change bus is still there, as easy as ever.

[KC61]

Originally Posted by paulm17781

I've already lost hope



The problem with our networks (bus and rail) is that it is difficult to find integrated stops etc. This sounds like it's going to be more of the same. They should be trying to integrate routes.

Surely it's better to wait for the actual plan (i.e. the detail) is published before making that judgement?

I don't any more than you do in terms of the level of detail, except that I have read the Deloitte report in detail and DB have committed to implementing that. I think we need to wait until that detail is published.

For reference the report is at:
http://www.transport.ie/upload/gener...w%20220109.pdf

More cross-city routes will mean less people having to change.

The report also recommends integrated corridors.

[dearg lady]

hey cleveland, where you gettin this info from?

[KC61]

Originally Posted by cson

Whatever about the frequency and all that ****e; the real time information should be easily enough rolled out and that would ease the pain of a lot of commuters greatly knowing you wouldn't be waiting ages for your bus.

It needed the buses to be kitted out with the equipment first!

This is happening as we speak.