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Mvision HD200 Combo

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    #2
    Myxomatosis
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    From glancing at the manual, while recording it seems you can watch other channels on the same transponder, which will be handy for the RTEs.

    Can you watch Satellite while terrestrial is being recorded or Vice-versa?

    Can you record multiple channels off the same transponder / frequency? E.g. Record RTE1, RTE2, TV3 and TG4 all at the same time, assuming you have a fast enough HDD?.

    Does the Mvision have any third party firmwares available which may improve some functionality or user interfaces? Are the official firmwares kept up to date? Any possibility of 7 day freesat EPG appearing in any future firmwares?

    Looking to buy a MPEG4 combo box fairly soon which would meet most of the above features.


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    gtg60
    Registered Users Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭gtg60


    Myxomatosis wrote: »
    From glancing at the manual, while recording it seems you can watch other channels on the same transponder, which will be handy for the RTEs.

    Can you watch Satellite while terrestrial is being recorded or Vice-versa?

    Can you record multiple channels off the same transponder / frequency? E.g. Record RTE1, RTE2, TV3 and TG4 all at the same time, assuming you have a fast enough HDD?.
    Trying to establish that at the moment, if this turns out to be true it'll put this receiver in a different league :D
    Myxomatosis wrote: »
    Does the Mvision have any third party firmwares available which may improve some functionality or user interfaces? Are the official firmwares kept up to date? Any possibility of 7 day freesat EPG appearing in any future firmwares?

    Yes, there is a third party firmware out there based on the current official firmware, as far as I can tell it is supposed to be faster at scanning satellites and has a built in softcam, not sure if I'm allowed post a link but it's not hard to find...

    Here's my reasoning on the 7 day Freesat EPG, everybody WANTS it for their FTA receivers, it is available at the moment for the higher end Linux based receivers, IMHO it is only a matter of time before it starts appearing on the cheaper units, I would speculate that once one bunch of 'hobbyists' have done it on one receiver it will find it's way onto most unofficial firmware, here's hoping :)


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    gtg60
    Registered Users Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭gtg60


    There's a review here, please note it was pre-PVR firmware:
    http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/digital-tv-receivers/mvision-hd200-combo-426740/review?artc_pg=1

    There are a few places to buy this from, satshop seem the cheapest and will cost approx 210 Euro including postage:
    http://www.satshop.tv/en/Digital-Receivers/MVision/MVision-HD200-Combo::1099.html?XTCsid=93b93c30674293604e63cd4282f7ed1d

    You can also buy it from SaorTV, worth noting that this guy is in Kildare and items are sent Registered so 99% should get it next day, I have personally dealt with him and found him to be extremely accommodating and helpful, it is approx 230 Euro:
    http://cgi.ebay.ie/Combo-Satellite-DTT-HD-Receiver-MVision-HD200-Combo_W0QQitemZ260353479918


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    STB
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    I would be quite surprised if the Mvision let you change channel whilst recording, even off the same transponder. All of these PVrReady type combo boxes use the same processor.

    The only way you can do this (with the Technomate 6900 and Clarke Tech 5000) is using the lop through on the back to another receiver. Only then can you view something on the same transponder, and only with another receiver.

    You cannot switch from DVB-T to DVB-S whilst recording on the Technomates or Clarketechs either.


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    gtg60
    Registered Users Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭gtg60


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    gtg60
    Registered Users Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭gtg60


    STB wrote: »
    I would be quite surprised if the Mvision let you change channel whilst recording, even off the same transponder. All of these PVrReady type combo boxes use the same processor.
    I know, sounds unusual and as stated, IF it does it will put this receiver into another league.
    I have read the PVR manual a few times and it would certainly seem to imply that this is possible, what I also like about this receiver is that you have Timeshift functions and you can watch an already recorded programme while recording another OR start watching a recorded program before it is finished, if that all works as promised then it certainly is a very functional PVR :D

    Just waiting for fat-tony to do a bit of investigating...


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    fat-tony
    Registered Users Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    gtg60 wrote: »
    I know, sounds unusual and as stated, IF it does it will put this receiver into another league.
    I have read the PVR manual a few times and it would certainly seem to imply that this is possible, what I also like about this receiver is that you have Timeshift functions and you can watch an already recorded programme while recording another OR start watching a recorded program before it is finished, if that all works as promised then it certainly is a very functional PVR :D

    Just waiting for fat-tony to do a bit of investigating...
    Results just in:
    1. You can view other channels on the same transponder while recording:)
    (pressing the OK button while recording brings up a list of the other channels and you can select one).
    2. Pressing the OK button at any time shows you the current transponder list, with "LIVE" on the channel you're watching and "REC" on the channel you're recording.
    3. You have to navigate back to the original channel to cancel the recording.
    4. You can't record two channels on the same transponder at once:(
    5. If you are recording a DTT channel, you can't watch another on the same mux nor can you navigate to a sat channel:(
    6. While viewing a channel you can press the PAUSE button to freeze the action and the box will begin to record (if your USB drive is on!). Similar effect to SKY's "pause live tv!". You get a 30 minute buffer. You can press PLAY to restart the action and skip through the recorded file with the right-cursor key to any point up to where the recording buffer ends, or FF at 2x, 4x or 8x. (the FF function is not great - but then neither is the one on SKY HD!) Using the cursor key is good for skipping through the ads or similar.
    7. If you are recording a programme you can pause it also, but you have a buffer of however long you set up initially (e.g. one hour, two hours etc.)
    8. Recording from the EPG is dead simple for DTT with 7 days ahead. You just navigate to the programme and press the RECORD button and it will schedule a recording. No "series link" facility, but what do you expect on a basic box?
    9. There is a timed recording function for satellite channels where you don't have the full EPG, but I haven't used it.

    All in all, I'm very pleased with this box so far.:)


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    gtg60
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    Thanks for all the info fat-tony, so basically it actually does do everything claimed in the PVR manual, a little disappointing about the DVB-S vs DVB-T tuner recordings but, like you say, this is a basic box.


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    jackbauer
    Registered Users Posts: 685 ✭✭✭jackbauer


    probably due to the fact that it uses the same hardware for decoding dvb-t and s. Does anyone know if it will correctly display ntsc sat channels and do proper frame rate conversion?


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    gtg60
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    jackbauer wrote: »
    Does anyone know if it will correctly display ntsc sat channels and do proper frame rate conversion?

    Quoting from the specifications in the manual it states:
    Frame Rate 25Hz for PAL, 30Hz for NTSC


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    jackbauer
    Registered Users Posts: 685 ✭✭✭jackbauer


    that sounds good. If anyone has this on a motorised dish could you please check it will correctly display MSNBC on telstar 12 at 15w on hdmi. Its an fta channel.


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    gtg60
    Registered Users Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭gtg60


    jackbauer wrote: »
    could you please check it will correctly display MSNBC on telstar 12 at 15w on hdmi.

    I assume you would want to disply it in it's native 480i over HDMI?

    As the manual only states the following:
    Video Resolution 576i, 576p, 720p, 1080i

    But that doesn't mean it won't do it either, we will just have to wait and see once somebody tries it.


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    jackbauer
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    yep 480i is what i need. My technomate 6900 cant handle it and they don't seem interested in solving the problem. Probably cos its not a porn channel:D


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    watty
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    The TV *AND* the setbox both need to be able to manage it.

    Since it is very poor quality low bit rate and low resolution, 480 rather than 576 lines, SCART is not distinguishable from HDMI for it.

    All the FTA digital receivers ever I've tried and all my TV sets via SCART can do it. With RGB, if a crt TV can't do NTSC the only issue is height of the picture is off a bit. Actual NTSC support is only needed for Composite Video or RF.


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    jackbauer
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    thanks watty. I have a lidl fta box setup via scart and it works fine. The tv can handle it because it changes from pal to ntsc and the picture rolls a bit and sorts itself out. The 6900 reports 480i but seems to be trying to do a framerate conversion. Jumpy picture , sound breakup etc.


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    gtg60
    Registered Users Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭gtg60


    jackbauer wrote: »
    yep 480i is what i need.

    How come you need it in 480i? Are you feeding it to a Scaler?

    Ok, was typing this response when I saw your new post.


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    snaps
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    So is there a way for the 6900 to receive these NTSC Channels on Telstar? Because its driving me nuts? I output mine via HDMI?


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    jackbauer
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    snaps nice to hear i'm not the only one! I've tried everything. HDMI , component and scart all the same. The response from the shop where i bought it was a disgrace and technomate themselves have promised a software upgrade after at first denying the issue. Thats 6 months ago. Thats why i'm looking at the mvision if it can handle telstar i'll get it.


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    fat-tony
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    jackbauer wrote: »
    probably due to the fact that it uses the same hardware for decoding dvb-t and s. Does anyone know if it will correctly display ntsc sat channels and do proper frame rate conversion?
    My motorised setup is connected to a standard 22" CRT TV which is PAL/NTSC compatible. The Mvision displays the NTSC channels on 15W (NBC feeds and MSNBC) just fine and records and plays back perfectly from the external USB drive. The Superbowl previews looked just great on SCART RGB:) My Manhattan Plaza box with an internal drive is a bit iffy with the NTSC channels - the OSD is not displayed correctly and the hard drive doesn't always record correctly, but the Mvision is fine in this regard.
    The only bad thing about the Mvision in a motorised setup is the poor user interface as regards satellite and transponder editing. There is no facility to delete redundant sats and the motor setup seems to work completely independently of the satellite / transponder config. It takes a bit of getting used to. There is an off-line PC editor which I'm playing around with, but that also has no facility to delete sats. It seems to have a fixed number which you rename to suit your own setup.


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    #21
    jackbauer
    Registered Users Posts: 685 ✭✭✭jackbauer


    thanks for that tony. so you reckon its really only good for a fixed dish / terrestrial setup?


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    fat-tony
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    jackbauer wrote: »
    thanks for that tony. so you reckon its really only good for a fixed dish / terrestrial setup?
    I wouldn't go as far as that. It's just awkward - I'll get used to it. Normally, once you've got your sats and transponders set up initially, you don't tend to edit them that often - unless you're feedhunting - in which case you would be using a different receiver anyway.
    I'll work away with the off-line editor with the sats and transponders and then it's just a matter of scanning in the channels.


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    gtg60
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    fat-tony wrote: »
    The Mvision displays the NTSC channels on 15W (NBC feeds and MSNBC) just fine and records and plays back perfectly from the external USB drive.

    So, does it display them at 480i through HDMI?


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    fat-tony
    Registered Users Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    gtg60 wrote: »
    So, does it display them at 480i through HDMI?
    My motorised setup does not have a HDMI display - only CRT. If you can wait, I'll take the setup down to my living room tomorrow and check- ok?


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    gtg60
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    fat-tony wrote: »
    My motorised setup does not have a HDMI display - only CRT. If you can wait, I'll take the setup down to my living room tomorrow and check- ok?

    I'm just curious, don't worry about it, thanks though.


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    fat-tony
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    gtg60 wrote: »
    So, does it display them at 480i through HDMI?
    Ok - did a bit more experimentation with the box attached to my Panasonic plasma, while playing back stuff recorded from various channels.

    With the box set to RGB colour space, you don't get any options as to HDMI output resolution (it's greyed out). You get 480i from NTSC material and it plays back fine without any jitters. You get 576i from PAL material. You can set the TV type to Auto or force NTSC or PAL. My set handles all combinations.

    When set to YUV, you can set the output resolution to 576p, 720p or 1080i for PAL or to 480p, 720p or 1080i as you would expect. You can set the TV type to Auto also. Again, any combination works on my TV without jitters.

    So - if your TV can only handle NTSC material at 480i (not 480p), then set the box to RGB and NTSC.


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    jackbauer
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    many thanks for that tony looks like the one for me so!


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    #28
    snaps
    Registered Users Posts: 7,138 ✭✭✭snaps


    ive just had a phonecall regarding this receiver and receiving the canal + HD channels on 1west. I couldnt answer him as im not familaur with this box. Is there a problem with this receiver receiving the canal+ sport/film HD transponder on Thor 1 west (11.938 25000)??


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    jackbauer
    Registered Users Posts: 685 ✭✭✭jackbauer


    i gather from fat tony's previous post that there is some issues with adding new transponders.


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    fat-tony
    Registered Users Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    snaps wrote: »
    ive just had a phonecall regarding this receiver and receiving the canal + HD channels on 1west. I couldnt answer him as im not familaur with this box. Is there a problem with this receiver receiving the canal+ sport/film HD transponder on Thor 1 west (11.938 25000)??
    I just scanned in 1 W and that transponder is coming in 98% quality (it's snowing quite heavily here on the East coast at the moment). I don't use CAMs/cards so I can't get a picture, but the EPG is telling me there's a match (Sunderland) on at the mo' on the sports channel and Rush Hour 3 is on the film channel:)


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    fat-tony
    Registered Users Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭fat-tony


    jackbauer wrote: »
    i gather from fat tony's previous post that there is some issues with adding new transponders.
    Transponder adding/deleting/editing is not a problem. It's adding or deleting new sat positions that's awkward - like I said there's an off-line PC editor which you can use for it. It's the lack of attention to detail in the programming of the motor setup that gets me. I was on Astra 2, then I used the motor setup to move to Thor (1W) and fine-tuned the position and stored it in the motor. Then I scanned the transponders to check out the thing for snaps. When I exited the scan menu, the motor immediately started to move back to 28E, where I had been earlier:rolleyes: Then I had to hit the SAT button, select Thor again and then it started back to 1W.... just a little unfriendly!


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