2 NYPD cops shot dead in retaliation...

chrysagon · 21-12-2014 5:28pm

and one in Florida

hatrickpatrick · 21-12-2014 5:36pm

Lingua Franca wrote: »

This fills me with dread, both for copycat cop killers and for heavy handed police retaliation from the small percentage of thugs in uniform. An all out race battle is only going to make things a thousand times worse for black men over there.

Obviously not condoning this, but a race battle (or even just civilians vs police battle) like you describe might wake American politicians up to the fact that their overly militarized SWAT police force is fast becoming almost universally despised by ordinary people and that some serious changes to the law are required to fix the problem.

The fact that those cops in Fullerton got off without convictions after tazering that poor homeless guy to death should have woken up the lawmakers and I was genuinely shocked that there was almost no reaction from them.

Billy86 · 21-12-2014 5:42pm

As sad a story as this is, with the sh*t the police have been getting away with there without so much as a proper enquiry (and I don't mean these two cops or the majority by any means, just to be clear) this is unfortunately not even remotely surprising.

Putinovsky · 21-12-2014 5:49pm

SeanW wrote: »

Some of us might take your boneheaded leftism a little more seriously if you didn't use the name of a warmongering mass-murderer like Russia's current Commissar.

That's Vladimir Putin not Putinovsky.....

end of the road · 21-12-2014 6:08pm

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

A lot of the blacks in America have one massive chip on there shoulder reinforced by there rap music.
Guess what no one gives a hoot, get the hell over it and get on with live without
always playing the victim and race card.

no they won't "get over it" they have been and continue to be treated like ****. they are victims, and they aren't playing the race card, as no race card exists to play. racism is still rife over in america.

end of the road · 21-12-2014 6:11pm

GalwayGuitar wrote: »

He's right though it is time to stop playing the race and victim card. They'd had positive discrimination for 60 years now, time to stop killing each other and get on with it.

no race and victim card exists to play. they are victims and racism is rife. no they won't "get on with it" they are right to keep hi-lighting the issues. only certain types call serious issues a "whatever card"

irish coldplayer · 21-12-2014 6:14pm

end of the road wrote: »

no they won't "get over it" they have been and continue to be treated like ****. they are victims, and they aren't playing the race card, as no race card exists to play. racism is still rife over in america.

Then why do Black immigrants do much better than native black people?
Why do 2nd generation black immigrants do much better?
Why do Asians do much better?
Why do Latinos do much better?

This is more than simply just racism its more about cultural attitudes to education.

P.S. I am NOT saying racism is not a factor but it is less than people on here attribute to it

Manic Moran · 21-12-2014 6:24pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Obviously not condoning this, but a race battle (or even just civilians vs police battle) like you describe might wake American politicians up to the fact that their overly militarized SWAT police force is fast becoming almost universally despised by ordinary people and that some serious changes to the law are required to fix the problem.

Your definition of "universally" and mine do not seem to match.

The fact that those cops in Fullerton got off without convictions after tazering that poor homeless guy to death should have woken up the lawmakers and I was genuinely shocked that there was almost no reaction from them.

That one went to trial and a jury acquitted them. One of two things happened. Either there was additional evidence outside of the video which the jurors took into account, or the jury simply were wrong. If the latter, it's the cost of having a jury trial. As the judge told me when I was up for jury duty, if 12 people decide on something, it's -probably- right: Our system may not be perfect, but it's the best we've got. Lawmakers reacting to jury decisions is usually a bad idea.

RobYourBuilder · 21-12-2014 6:25pm

end of the road wrote: »

no they won't "get over it" they have been and continue to be treated like ****. they are victims,

Do you consider the shooter to be a victim in all this?

Son Of A Vidic · 21-12-2014 6:26pm

Lingua Franca wrote: »

...for the recent deaths of black men at the hands of the police.

But it wasn't really. The twisted fúck was a hunted man and just wanted to take a few with him.

feargale · 21-12-2014 6:49pm

tipptom wrote: »

A lot of the problems for the black community's is young black men think its their culture to get young girls pregnant and then abandon then move on to the next one and abondan the mother again leaving the children to be raised by young girls and welfare.

That would never happen anywhere in Tipperary.

creolebelle · 21-12-2014 6:54pm

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

But it wasn't really. The twisted fúck was a hunted man and just wanted to take a few with him.

Amazing how many ppl just ignored the fact that the shooter had shot his ex girlfriend in the stomach earlier that day.

feargale · 21-12-2014 6:58pm

feargale wrote: »

What percentage of those live in gated communities, and what percentage live in abject poverty?

Amazingfun wrote: »

Since that has absolutely fck-all to do with the facts posted....I'll just suggest you find out yourself somehow.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/analysis_and_planning/crime_and_enforcement_activity.shtml

Oops! Was there a hint of dissent in my question? Did it merit a vulgar response worthy of trailer trash? Almost as bad as being bullied and ballyragged on Fox News!
Listen here, boy. My question is as relevant to the title of the thread as your attempt to turn this into a race conflict. Your offering of a link is fatuous, having no relevance to the question posed.

AboutaWeekAgo · 21-12-2014 6:58pm

creolebelle wrote: »

Amazing how many ppl just ignored the fact that the shooter had shot his ex girlfriend in the stomach earlier that day.

That's because it doesn't fit the narrative they want to talk about.

creolebelle · 21-12-2014 6:59pm

irish coldplayer wrote: »

Then why do Black immigrants do much better than native black people?
Why do 2nd generation black immigrants do much better?
Why do Asians do much better?
Why do Latinos do much better?

This is more than simply just racism its more about cultural attitudes to education.

P.S. I am NOT saying racism is not a factor but it is less than people on here attribute to it

Where are you getting your info from?
African immigrants in the US tend to be highly educated but are forced into low level jobs when compared to other immigrant groups.

creolebelle · 21-12-2014 7:03pm

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

That's because it doesn't fit the narrative they want to talk about.

It's amazing how the discussion shifted from the topic of the shooter to black crime rates, race cards and tirades about self respect

irish coldplayer · 21-12-2014 7:10pm

creolebelle wrote: »

Where are you getting your info from?
African immigrants in the US tend to be highly educated but are forced into low level jobs when compared to other immigrant groups.

Its in my previous post to the one you quoted one page back.
I still cant post full links but you should be able to find it using this
//home.uchicago.edu/~arauh/Rauh2013a.pdf
Its a recent study too 2013.
the same could be said of many immigrants into many countries there are other factors such as language etc.
Again I'm not saying racism is not a factor but when you allow for all other factors native black Americans are under performing badly.

irish coldplayer · 21-12-2014 7:19pm

creolebelle wrote: »

Amazing how many ppl just ignored the fact that the shooter had shot his ex girlfriend in the stomach earlier that day.

The anti NYPD things he posted on instagram prior to the shooting when they emerged were always going to frame the story in that way.
//pix11.com/2014/12/20/breaking-2-nypd-officers-shot-in-brooklyn/
Personally I think the guy was just using that as an excuse to kill people while at the same time in his head he probably thought he would die as some sort of vigilante folk hero for his actions.

Putinovsky · 21-12-2014 7:30pm

creolebelle wrote: »

It's amazing how the discussion shifted from the topic of the shooter to black crime rates, race cards and tirades about self respect

The usual suspects with the same agendas. They're trying their best to turn After Hours into a Stormfront type forum for them to soap box their racist views.

coalburner · 21-12-2014 7:35pm

Putinovsky wrote: »

The usual suspects with the same agendas. They're trying their best to turn After Hours into a Stormfront type forum for them to soap box their racist views.

This black men are best, wimpy white men cannot compete

chupacabra · 21-12-2014 7:41pm

As someone who has a close family member in the NYPD this really hits hard. This world is full of cowards.

coalburner · 21-12-2014 7:44pm

chupacabra wrote: »

As someone who has a close family member in the NYPD this really hits hard. This world is full of cowards.

Where was the outcry for micheal brown

RobYourBuilder · 21-12-2014 7:45pm

creolebelle wrote: »

It's amazing how the discussion shifted from the topic of the shooter to black crime rates, race cards and tirades about self respect

Did the shooter of the two cops not say that he was about to put "wings on the pigs" beforehand? Did he not reference the Brown and Garner shootings? Then, is not perfectly rational to look at the wider picture, i.e. Afro-Americans and their shaky, at best, relationship with the police and why that may be the case?

Nodin · 21-12-2014 7:46pm

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Did the shooter of the two cops not say that he was about to put "wings on the pigs" beforehand? Did he not reference the Brown and Garner shootings? Then, is not perfectly rational to look at the wider picture, i.e. Afro-Americans and their shaky, at best, relationship with the police and why that may be the case?

Not when his very first act is to try and bump off his other half.

coalburner · 21-12-2014 7:49pm

Nodin wrote: »

Not when his very first act is to try and bump off his other half.

He had some mental issues and society not helping lead to this, he should not be vilified now due to his skin colour

the_syco · 21-12-2014 7:52pm

tipptom wrote: »

A lot of the problems for the black community's is young black men think its their culture to get young girls pregnant and then abandon then move on to the next one and abondan the mother again leaving the children to be raised by young girls and welfare.

As the saying goes, northsiders are the blacks of Dublin, so this explains why there are so many one parent families? [/sarc]

=-=

Does anyone have figures of how many gang and non-gang black people get murdered by the cops as opposed to by black gang members each year? Couldn't find the figures when I Googled for them.

RobYourBuilder · 21-12-2014 7:53pm

coalburner wrote: »

He had some mental issues and society not helping lead to this, he should not be vilified now due to his skin colour

He is being "vilified" for his actions.

tipptom · 21-12-2014 7:57pm

feargale wrote: »

That would never happen anywhere in Tipperary.

No,there is no culture of it in Tipperary.
I have lived and worked in these community's in NY and know a lot of activist people working hard among these communities to change this culture and attitude among young black males.

Putinovsky · 21-12-2014 7:57pm

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

He is being "vilified" for his actions.

And posters like you are using those actions to vilify an entire race.

coalburner · 21-12-2014 7:58pm

tipptom wrote: »

No,there is no culture of it in Tipperary.
I have lived and worked in these community's in NY and know a lot of activist people working hard among these communities to change this culture and attitude among young black males.

Young black men don't need to change, that racist thinking is why there is so much tension

RobYourBuilder · 21-12-2014 8:00pm

Putinovsky wrote: »

And posters like you are using those actions to vilify an entire race.

Where? Examples?

IsaacWunder · 21-12-2014 8:05pm

GalwayGuitar wrote: »

So blacks are committing more crime than whites. Whose fault is that?

Blacks are more likely to be arrested and prosecuted even if crime rates are the same:

Black Americans were nearly four times as likely as whites to be arrested on charges of marijuana possession in 2010, even though the two groups used the drug at similar rates, according to new federal data.

www.nytimes.com/2013/06/04/us/marijuana-arrests-four-times-as-likely-for-blacks.html

RobYourBuilder · 21-12-2014 8:10pm

How many of the marijuana arrests are just add on charges to other crimes?

Putinovsky · 21-12-2014 8:11pm

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Where? Examples?

You've a convenient habit of consistently popping up in any threads involving immigrants or race related matters and making a litany of negative posts deriding the immigrant or minority race group that is at the subject matter. This thread is no different.

I would like to ask you something. I am not saying that you do think this but I would just like this clarified to get a better understanding. I would like it answered in a simple yes or no..

Do you think white people are superior to other races?

tipptom · 21-12-2014 8:12pm

coalburner wrote: »

Young black men don't need to change, that racist thinking is why there is so much tension

So Black organisations working in their own communities to try and help and change this culture especially through schools are just simple racists and the reason there is so much tension.
People with your attitude who attack people as racist because they try and change attitudes for the better are the very reason why the tension will go on for decades.

coalburner · 21-12-2014 8:13pm

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

How many of the marijuana arrests are just add on charges to other crimes?

And how many where planeted on the black men by these thug cops

RobYourBuilder · 21-12-2014 8:14pm

Putinovsky wrote: »

Do you think white people are superior to other races?

No, do you? Debate the issues and stop trying to smear. It's lazy and counterproductive.

coalburner · 21-12-2014 8:15pm

tipptom wrote: »

So Black organisations working in their own communities to try and help and change this culture especially through schools are just simple racists and the reason there is so much tension.
People with your attitude who attack people as racist because they try and change attitudes for the better are the very reason why the tension will go on for decades.

You are trying to change the culture of a group cause you don't like it, that racist, white men are inferior and just cause you cannot compete doesn't mean you can change the other group

Sand · 21-12-2014 8:16pm

IsaacWunder wrote: »

Blacks are more likely to be arrested and prosecuted even if crime rates are the same:

I'd say the higher marijuana related arrests are themselves related to the much higher policing of communities/areas with murder, drugs, assault, theft, rape and various "high profile" crimes. Police tend to go where the serious crime is. So kids that are involved in low profile crime, living in areas that do not have a serious crime problem will face less police attention than kids who are involved in low profile crime, living in areas that do have a serious crime problem.

There is also the question of if the marijuana possession charge was the *only* charge, or if it was just added to the list of more serious crimes?

Basically, your article just has a statistic. Jumping from a stat to a conclusion with absolutely no investigation or evidence to support it is pretty poor.

Putinovsky · 21-12-2014 8:22pm

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

No, do you? Debate the issues and stop trying to smear. It's lazy and counterproductive.

I am glad to hear that you believe that all races are equal and that white people are the same as black people. You certainly don't display that attitude in some of your posts so its good to hear you don't actually believe in racial superiority.

coalburner · 21-12-2014 8:24pm

Putinovsky wrote: »

I am glad to hear that you believe that all races are equal and that white people are the same as black people. You certainly don't display that attitude in some of your posts so its good to hear you don't actually believe in racial superiority.

Black men are greatly superior then white men, their women are trash though

Mod - Banned

Putinovsky · 21-12-2014 8:25pm

coalburner wrote: »

You are trying to change the culture of a group cause you don't like it, that racist, white men are inferior and just cause you cannot compete doesn't mean you can change the other group

I've a feeling that you're someone who is intentionally trying to get a rise. Another example of elements in after hours who are trying to stoke up racial tensions.

tipptom · 21-12-2014 8:25pm

coalburner wrote: »

You are trying to change the culture of a group cause you don't like it, that racist, white men are inferior and just cause you cannot compete doesn't mean you can change the other group

Ah,i see ok,sound.

Putinovsky · 21-12-2014 8:26pm

coalburner wrote: »

Black men are greatly superior then white men, their women are trash though

Bye now, I won't be surprised to learn that your IP matches one of after hours resident stormfront posters.

chupacabra · 21-12-2014 8:27pm

coalburner wrote: »

Where was the outcry for micheal brown

I think you'll find plenty of outcry in many cities in America over mike brown. My own opinion of it is that it was a tragic situation that could have been prevented with cool heads. Unfortunately there weren't many cool heads around that night. Garner situation deserved an indictment.

creolebelle · 21-12-2014 8:29pm

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Did the shooter of the two cops not say that he was about to put "wings on the pigs" beforehand? Did he not reference the Brown and Garner shootings? Then, is not perfectly rational to look at the wider picture, i.e. Afro-Americans and their shaky, at best, relationship with the police and why that may be the case?

The shooter doesn't represent the views of any sane rational person. Yes the relationship btw the police and the black community is rocky but no one is calling for the death of innocent ppl. The majority of black Americans are asking for peace in their own communities

creolebelle · 21-12-2014 8:32pm

chupacabra wrote: »

As someone who has a close family member in the NYPD this really hits hard. This world is full of cowards.

I agree with this as a former New Yorker who is black with several relatives in the NYPD

chupacabra · 21-12-2014 8:37pm

creolebelle wrote: »

I agree with this as a former New Yorker who is black with several relatives in the NYPD

Thankfully the NYPD are a great family who will rally for these poor men's families.

coalburner · 21-12-2014 8:37pm

chupacabra wrote: »

Thankfully the NYPD are a great family who will rally for these poor men's families.

Did they rally for micheal browns family

chupacabra · 21-12-2014 8:41pm

coalburner wrote: »

Did they rally for micheal browns family

Michael Brown wasn't even from the same state :pac:

2 NYPD cops shot dead in retaliation...

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