Wetherspoons In Cork

kooga · 18-02-2015 5:11pm

following a decison by ABP they can start when ever they want, 20 week fit out

moyners · 18-02-2015 5:35pm

kooga wrote: »

permission granted to the newport by ABP

http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/244072.htm

Interesting reading - now we know why they started construction then stopped like that. If I were that business owner next door I'd much prefer a bar closing at 00:30 next door than Mangan's nightclub!

Nash Bridges · 18-02-2015 5:54pm

Interesting document alright, decision seems reasonable though.

Surprised that a 20 week fit-out will be required after 4 weeks work already considering there was a similar use business there before. Looks like it will be August 2015 before it opens at this rate.

rob316 · 18-02-2015 5:56pm

Just read it there, a shoe shop owner ffs.

Its pretty short sighted to complain about the disruption to business the construction will cause while ignoring the fact this super pub will bring a lot of footfall to your business when its completed.

Also comical to suggest the congregation of people outside the pub will be bad for business considering the square facing there shop is full of homeless, junkies and gothic kids. :rolleyes:

Glad they got this BS sorted.

rob316 · 18-02-2015 5:57pm

CHealy wrote: »

As per Irish Public Housing laws I'd imagine. If they wish to apply for a late opening licence I'm sure that's available to them.

Yep available to any publican for the lovely sum of €410 per night.

TheChizler · 18-02-2015 6:22pm

Cape Clear wrote: »

Game on. This development was held up by a shoe shop owner for too long.

Bit cheeky of them! One of the objections being on the basis that the pub might interfere with alterations they may or may not wish to make at some time in the future.

rob316 · 18-02-2015 6:26pm

Nash Bridges wrote: »

Interesting document alright, decision seems reasonable though.

Surprised that a 20 week fit-out will be required after 4 weeks work already considering there was a similar use business there before. Looks like it will be August 2015 before it opens at this rate.

20 weeks sounds about right, its the Newport and Mangans, its a huge complex like.

54kroc · 18-02-2015 7:22pm

Would it of been cheaper to buy out the shoe shop?
Tis great to see it going ahead.

Oafley Jones · 18-02-2015 7:31pm

Not suggesting that this is the case here, but it wouldn't be unknown for a vested interest to object to competition through an unrelated third party.

bladebrew · 18-02-2015 7:49pm

It seems like a strange complaint, but at least the council had sense, they basically it was a pub before and now it will be a different pub, what did the shoe shop owner want I wonder?

Cape Clear · 19-02-2015 9:37am

How much would this objection have cost the little old woman who lives in a shoe I wonder?

The_Banker · 19-02-2015 10:54am

Could the pubs of Cork been bank rolling this "objection" ?

hufpc8w3adnk65 · 19-02-2015 11:16am

The_Banker wrote: »

Could the pubs of Cork been bank rolling this "objection" ?

With my tin foil hat on that seems the most likely. Buying the vitners a bit more time too come up with a decent objection

kooga · 19-02-2015 11:17am

i see on another post, Fingal CC have granted permission for wetherspoons in the former pub light in blanchardstown.

the beer revolu · 21-02-2015 9:49pm

The_Banker wrote: »

Could the pubs of Cork been bank rolling this "objection" ?

While I have no knowledge or evidence to support it, I seriously suspect this to be the case.

rob316 · 10-04-2015 9:06pm

We have lift off

hufpc8w3adnk65 · 10-04-2015 9:45pm

Any news on the douglas one?

rob316 · 10-04-2015 9:52pm

MrMac84 wrote: »

Any news on the douglas one?

Barry's, John O Sulllivans, all of them will fight that tooth and nail. Opening up in a suburb will be a lot tougher I'd imagine, local council people will cause hassle.

hufpc8w3adnk65 · 10-04-2015 10:12pm

rob316 wrote: »

Barry's, John O Sulllivans, all of them will fight that tooth and nail. Opening up in a suburb will be a lot tougher I'd imagine, local council people will cause hassle.

Sure how can they fight it? "Their going too be cheaper then us??" Hardly grounds too object

rob316 · 10-04-2015 10:23pm

MrMac84 wrote: »

Sure how can they fight it? "Their going too be cheaper then us??" Hardly grounds too object

Local councillors etc will do there best to put the brakes on it IMO. They will cause ruin to the Douglas cartel like.

Pablo Escobar · 11-04-2015 1:16pm

I was in the one in Dun Laoighre recently. It would be great to have something like it.

corkonion · 22-04-2015 9:10am

Work has been ramped up the newest link in the JD Wetherspoon’s chain in Careys Lane.
Walls, cladding, flooring and fittings are being removed ahead of a large–scale remodelling of the extensive site, which also housed Mangan’s Nightclub. The current phase of works, which involves a large team of local builders and is focusing on demolition and the remodelling of the internal space, will be complete within two weeks.
The project, which will be ongoing through July, will see the building completely transformed, with the interior split–level of the old nightclub divided into two floor to provide space for two bars, going back from the Paul Street façade of the former Newport Lounge, and a kitchen. The current Mangans gable, widely considered to be an eyesore and defaced with graffiti, will be clad to integrate it more with the historic look and feel of Carey’s Lane, which is part of Cork’s renowned Huguenot Quarter.

kooga · 22-04-2015 9:46am

MrMac84 wrote: »

Any news on the douglas one?

the douglas application is gone out for a request for further information, the applicant has two months left to submit their reply.

run_Forrest_run · 22-04-2015 10:31am

rob316 wrote: »

Local councillors etc will do there best to put the brakes on it IMO. They will cause ruin to the Douglas cartel like.

that's exactly what it is, a cartel. Even if Wetherspoons open in Douglas there is more than enough business around for the existing pubs to continue to make a profit, they just might have to actually work a bit harder and begin to offer value for money..shock horror :eek:

hufpc8w3adnk65 · 22-04-2015 10:32am

kooga wrote: »

the douglas application is gone out for a request for further information, the applicant has two months left to submit their reply.

Very good. Be great too see these get the go ahead and bring prices in Douglas down a bit

CHealy · 22-04-2015 11:14am

Won't happen in a million years, not in Douglas anyway.

Can't wait for the Paul Street venue to open. €5.20 I paid for a pint last Saturday afternoon from the Electric. I know its known as an expensive place but how can they justify those prices.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 22-04-2015 11:19am

CHealy wrote: »

I know its known as an expensive place but how can they justify those prices.

Cause people pay it?
Not knocking you, just about all of us pay it.

Ludo · 22-04-2015 12:40pm

CHealy wrote: »

Can't wait for the Paul Street venue to open. €5.20 I paid for a pint last Saturday afternoon from the Electric. I know its known as an expensive place but how can they justify those prices.

You and many many others paid it...therefore justified.

Paz-CCFC · 22-04-2015 5:08pm

I suppose the thing about pub prices is that consumers are expected to go in, order blind and hand over a tenner or a twenty without knowing the prices. In a shop or a restaurant, they have them displayed on the shelves or on the door/menu. Many have it online as well, so you can get an idea of what you'll be paying ever before you enter the place. Pubs like the Franciscan Well and Bierhaus are very informative in terms of their products, with menus/chalkboards displaying the type of beer, abv and price. Wetherspoons will be good as well, with their menus in the pub and online. The majority of pubs don't do this, however. They know that the consumer with ten others behind him in the queue won't ask "What's the price of this tap? And this one? And this one?". They'll just feel under pressure and order a beer without knowing the price.

Lack of consumer information is probably my biggest gripe with the pubs. Charging high prices for drinks is one thing. Their value can be debated. But not having the prices of your products clearly displayed is simply unacceptable, in my opinion.

rob316 · 22-04-2015 5:13pm

Im sick of it anyway, I was in the Vicarstown Friday, €5.30 for a pint of their own red ale. I'm not rich or poor but the price of the pint is starting to take the enjoyment out of it for me.
I'll happily drink away there on a Friday or Saturday and have a chat with my mates, off with them if they want to go somewhere with an atmosphere then. Me and my 1/2 price pints will have no probably not been "cool"

run_Forrest_run · 23-04-2015 8:12am

@Paz-CCFC every pub in the land has to display it's price list in a standard format. Granted it may not be visible straight away but if you are price conscious they you should be aware of this and seek it out. There's no harm asking the barman what's the general price of a pint before you order, no shame in that at all.

moyners · 23-04-2015 9:54am

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

@Paz-CCFC every pub in the land has to display it's price list in a standard format. Granted it may not be visible straight away but if you are price conscious they you should be aware of this and seek it out. There's no harm asking the barman what's the general price of a pint before you order, no shame in that at all.

Every pub/hotel I ever worked in had to have a list by law something like this displayed somewhere visible, usually near the entrance.

Paz-CCFC · 23-04-2015 10:13am

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

@Paz-CCFC every pub in the land has to display it's price list in a standard format. Granted it may not be visible straight away but if you are price conscious they you should be aware of this and seek it out. There's no harm asking the barman what's the general price of a pint before you order, no shame in that at all.

The law on pricing is woefully inadequate. Only one draught stout/lager/ale/cider, one bottle equivalent of those etc. has to have its price displayed. And those pricelists can be displayed in awkward places, on small A4 sheets, solely to abide by the bare minimum legislation requires.

Consumers shouldn't have to seek out the price. Every single product should be clearly displayed, at the entrance (some pubs do this, but very few in my experience) or on boards over or beside the bar etc. In a shopping centre, if the shops had all the price down in one corner, that'd be deemed unacceptable. I don't see why a consumer should be expected to actively work to find out the prices of the product that they want. I agree, no shame in asking the barman, but again, a consumer shouldn't have to ask the price of all the products.

Loire · 23-04-2015 10:24am

Paz-CCFC wrote: »

The law on pricing is woefully inadequate. Only one draught stout/lager/ale/cider, one bottle equivalent of those etc. has to have its price displayed. And those pricelists can be displayed in awkward places, on small A4 sheets, solely to abide by the bare minimum legislation requires.

Consumers shouldn't have to seek out the price. Every single product should be clearly displayed, at the entrance (some pubs do this, but very few in my experience) or on boards over or beside the bar etc. In a shopping centre, if the shops had all the price down in one corner, that'd be deemed unacceptable. I don't see why a consumer should be expected to actively work to find out the prices of the product that they want. I agree, no shame in asking the barman, but again, a consumer shouldn't have to ask the price of all the products.

I think for draft, the pint/glass price should be on the tap itself.

rob316 · 23-04-2015 10:27am

Loire wrote: »

I think for draft, the pint/glass price should be on the tap itself.

Just like they do in wetherspoons, I would definitely be in favour of it but the VFI would have a stroke.

the beer revolu · 23-04-2015 10:34am

Paz-CCFC wrote: »

I suppose the thing about pub prices is that consumers are expected to go in, order blind and hand over a tenner or a twenty without knowing the prices. In a shop or a restaurant, they have them displayed on the shelves or on the door/menu. Many have it online as well, so you can get an idea of what you'll be paying ever before you enter the place. Pubs like the Franciscan Well and Bierhaus are very informative in terms of their products, with menus/chalkboards displaying the type of beer, abv and price. Wetherspoons will be good as well, with their menus in the pub and online. The majority of pubs don't do this, however. They know that the consumer with ten others behind him in the queue won't ask "What's the price of this tap? And this one? And this one?". They'll just feel under pressure and order a beer without knowing the price.

Lack of consumer information is probably my biggest gripe with the pubs. Charging high prices for drinks is one thing. Their value can be debated. But not having the prices of your products clearly displayed is simply unacceptable, in my opinion.

I'm with you on that.
Rising Sons is another appalling example of this - and some of the draught beers there can be crazy money.

Personally, I only frequent pubs I know to have reasonable prices and/or clearly displayed prices, Bierhaus and Fran Well being two of them. The Abbot's Ale House also display their prices clearly.

run_Forrest_run · 23-04-2015 1:50pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

Personally, I only frequent pubs I know to have reasonable prices and/or clearly displayed prices, Bierhaus and Fran Well being two of them. The Abbot's Ale House also display their prices clearly.

prices in Bierhaus etc can be just as high as Rising Sons etc but you are happy to spend your money in the former because the prices are clearly displayed?

I'm all for clear pricing, most the pubs don't do it for obvious reasons.

The Government has removed most of my disposable income now so they have indirectly relieved me of problems like this.

poitinstill · 23-04-2015 9:16pm

Was I rising sons once the week it opened. Was a bit shocked when I ordered steeple hemp. Barman ...5.30 . Similar or better over in bierhaus was 4 odd euro or 3 euro for cask with beoir card

the beer revolu · 23-04-2015 10:10pm

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

prices in Bierhaus etc can be just as high as Rising Sons etc .

No. Like for like, this is never the case.

the beer revolu · 23-04-2015 10:10pm

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

prices in Bierhaus etc can be just as high as Rising Sons etc .

No. Like for like, this is never the case.

run_Forrest_run · 24-04-2015 12:03pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

No. Like for like, this is never the case.

OK, fair enough.

I do find it a bit cheeky alright from the likes of Rising Sons, they brew the beer on site so surely transport costs etc have been greatly slashed and they still have the neck to charge €5.30 per pint.

CHealy · 24-04-2015 12:09pm

Back on topic, anyone have an opening date?

run_Forrest_run · 24-04-2015 12:16pm

CHealy wrote: »

Back on topic, anyone have an opening date?

A long shot but their link here says

"This pub opened on: 01 Sep 2015"

They are from the future

Loire · 24-04-2015 5:04pm

I passed by today and there seemed to be a lot of work going on anyway

rob316 · 24-04-2015 5:09pm

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

A long shot but their link here says

"This pub opened on: 01 Sep 2015"

They are from the future

3 months sounds about right, there is a lot of working to do there as they are making the Newport and Mangans into the one unit.

Infracted · 25-04-2015 7:18pm

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

A long shot but their link here says

"This pub opened on: 01 Sep 2015"

They are from the future

Opening two weeks before Freshers Week. Jumping in the deep end.

gimmick · 26-04-2015 9:24am

I hope you still don't have to get an elevator to get to the toilet when it opens.

calnand · 26-04-2015 2:09pm

Looking at plans online the gents are downstairs.

KCAccidental · 26-04-2015 3:34pm

gimmick wrote: »

I hope you still don't have to get an elevator to get to the toilet when it opens.

I dread to think about how many drunk lads just pished in that lift.

kingtut · 27-04-2015 4:12pm

Where can I see the plans online does anyone know? The one in Dun Laoghaire has a bar on both floors and the gents is downstairs. In the blackrock one which also has two floors (but only the bottom one as a bar), the toilets are upstairs.

Wetherspoons In Cork

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